{"title":"Anse Cochon inquiry: two-day transcript edition","edition":"Complete supplied record, 13–14 October 2026. Day 1 user-reviewed reading edition v2; Day 2 annotated automated text.","status":"Automated source text and editorial reading aids; not certified or independently audio-verified.","methodology":{"fidelity":"Raw source blocks and original downloads are unchanged. Day 1 display text uses the reviewed v2 span map. Day 2 removes timestamp wrappers only. Corrections and annotations are editorial, not certified transcript findings.","offsets":"Zero-based Unicode character offsets with exclusive ends. Day 1 and Day 2 II/III offsets refer to original decoded text files. Day 2 I offsets refer to a plain paragraph-joined extraction of the original Word document; the original DOCX is separately preserved and hashed.","speaker_warning":"Original files contain no reliable turn-by-turn speaker labels. Blocks may contain several voices. 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Good morning. Thank you for attending the first meeting of the commission of inquiry into the maritime collision which occurred at Ascosaw Cataly. I will hand over at this point to chairman commissioner justice Michelle. >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Secretary, and good morning to everyone, ladies and gentlemen, in attendance. Welcome to the first public sitting of\n- **[00:02:41]** the Commission of Inquiry into the maritime collision which occurred in St. Lucia in July of this year. On the night of Saturday 18th July 2026, two boats collided at Asco Shaw in the quarter of Ansere on the west coast of St. resulting in the destruction of one of the boats and the sinking of the other, resulting also in injury to several persons who were on board the boats and the death of three passengers and one crew member of one of the boats. In the aftermath of this national\n- **[00:03:29]** tragedy, a commission of inquiry was appointed which has held three meetings to date in CRA and which commences its public sittings today. The Commission of Inquiry Act chapter 1703 of the laws of St. is the primary legislative framework that empowers the executive branch of government to appoint independent bodies to investigate matters of public concern. On 1st September 2026, the acting governor general of St. Lucia, his excellency Mr. Felix Finister\n- **[00:04:16]** issued a commission appointing assistant commissioner of police Mr. Luke Defrightus retired superintendent of police in charge of the marine unit Mr. Frederick maritime consultant Mr. Kbad Di and me, Justice Mario Michelle, to be the commissioners to inquire into the circumstances surrounding the maritime collision which occurred at Ascosaw in the quarter of an on 18th July 2026. I was appointed as the chairman of the commission. Retired permanent secretary Miss Lenita Joseph was appointed as the\n- **[00:04:59]** secretary of the commission and attorney at law Mrs. Shahed Shallmine Octav was appointed as legal counsel to the commission. The commission of inquiry was directed to commence the inquiry on 8th September 2026 on which date the commissioners together with the secretary and legal counsel each took the oath of office. The terms of reference of the commission are as follows. one to inquire into the circumstances surrounding the maritime collision at Ansco in the quarter of an on 18th July\n- **[00:05:43]** 2026 involving the vessel Ocean Angel registered in castrees and bearing official number SL077875 and the vessel Kazola JR registered in castrries and bearing official number SLU7 78180 two to review the legislation governing maritime accidents in St. Lucia including the Civil Code of St. Lucia chapter 401 the shipping act chapter 13.27 the police act cap chapter 14.01 the St. Lucia Air and Seapports Authority Act chapter 813,\n- **[00:06:30]** the Customs Control and Management Act chapter 1505 and the Carriage of Goods by Sea Act chapter 13.26 and to make recommendations to inform the drafting of a modern maritime act. Three, to review the standard operating procedures and protocols governing maritime activity, maritime safety, and maritime investigations in St. Lucia, and four, to make recommendations consequent on its findings. The commission will accordingly receive evidence, reports, and other relevant information orally or in writing from\n- **[00:07:15]** members of the four the family of the four deceased persons from the surviving passengers and crew of the two boats involved in the collision. From witnesses to the collision and what immediately followed it, and from police officers, fire service and ambulance personnel. and from the director of maritime affairs of the St. Lucia Air and Seap Ports Authority. The commission is also expected to review legislation in St. Lucia which touch and concern the operation of boats and maritime accidents and incidents in St. Lucia.\n- **[00:07:55]** The legislation which have been identified as being relevant to the commission of inquiry. I have already referred to them in addressing the terms of reference of the commission. Commission therefore is to receive and assess the facts and information from the sources just mentioned. examine and review the relevant legislation against the background of the facts and information received and to make recommendations to government and other agencies for the safe conduct of maritime operations in St. Lucia.\n- **[00:08:39]** The commission of inquiry has previously met in camera and meets today for its first public sitting. At the outset of our public sittings, I must inform you that the commission appointed to undertake this inquiry is an independent body. I do not know the political or other personal preferences, prejudices, predilictions and predispositions of the five people whom I'm sitting with as commissioners and officers of the commission of inquiry. Their backgrounds and relevant experience should conduce to their being\n- **[00:09:20]** able to conduct themselves professionally and free from any biases which they otherwise have had. So the family and friends of the two young men and two young women who perished in the maritime collision at Ans Koshaw concerned members of the public and personnel from all of the agencies governmental or otherwise with an interest in what transpired on that fateful night. Do rest assured that this is not a rubber stamp. This is not window dressing or a cosmetic cover of or for any deficiencies or failings by anyone.\n- **[00:10:08]** The inquiry is also not an investigation as might be conducted by the police leading to the arrest of anyone for criminal offenses allegedly committed by anyone on the night in question. The information which we have been provided with indicates that there is one person who was charged with trespassing on a yacht anchored in the water near the scene of the collision and with causing grievous harm to the owner of the yacht. This alleged incident has resulted in criminal charges being instituted against someone for the alleged trespass\n- **[00:10:50]** on the boat and assault of its owner. That being so the incident may be mentioned in the course of the inquiry as part of the res just but will not be dwelt on by this commission in the course of the coming days, weeks and months. We will receive evidence, reports and other information in written or oral form from anyone who has relevant information to convey to the commission. We invite persons with such information and who have not been summoned to give evidence before the commission to make contact with the secretary of the\n- **[00:11:33]** commission, Miss Lenita Joseph, at the telephone number and email address which will be provided to you by by Miss Joseph on your request. It is important to note that the commissioners have the powers of the high court to summons witnesses and to call for the production of books, plans and documents and to examine witnesses and parties on oath. Just like in the high court, a person summoned by the commissioners is bound to obey the summons and may be subject to a penalty for failing to do so. Witnesses may also be prosecuted and\n- **[00:12:14]** punished for perjury if they willfully give false evidence. A witness giving evidence before the commission is not however compellable to say anything which may incriminate him or her. And the witness may therefore refuse to answer a question on the ground that his or her answer can subject him or her to criminal prosecution or can suggest that he or she is involved in a crime. Pleading the fifth is how the Americans like to refer to it. Barring the avoidance of self-inccrimination, witnesses are expected to take the stand\n- **[00:13:02]** and speak the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I do want to assure witnesses though that as I indicated, we are not an investigative tribunal to determine whether anyone has committed any offense. We expect you to be assisting in the process of making the determinations that this commission has been charged by the Governor General to make. But it will it will not be a process that will lead to some trial, some charge, some conviction by of any person who will give evidence before the commission. That is the function of of\n- **[00:13:49]** another body uh with which we are not concerned. Members of the media and members of the public generally are free to attend the public sittings of the commission unless specifically prohibited from doing so by the chairman of the commission or by the secretary of the commission acting under the directions of the chairman. I would at this stage have asked the the secretary to call the first witness. However, it has been brought to my attention that there are persons who have been summoned to give evidence before this commission\n- **[00:14:36]** uh who may not exactly have prepared themselves from the standpoint of their wardrobe to participate in this uh formal uh occasion which is a commission of inquiry appointed by the governor general. Speaking for my part and I suspect I can take the liberty to speak on behalf of the other commissioners on this. I am not I will not be comfortable welcoming to the witness stands so to speak persons who appear to be clearly inappropriately dressed for this occasion. I will therefore have to ask those persons to\n- **[00:15:22]** uh seek to equip themselves with with attire that may be more befitting. No one is asking witnesses to go and and adorn jackets and ties in order to uh give evidence before the commission. But cut up short pants for instance is a no no. And we would ask in the circumstances persons who who have been summoned to give evidence before the commission this morning or who are otherwise present uh to to take their to take brief exit in order to uh adorn themselves attire themselves more appropriately. As I said, no one is asking anybody to to go\n- **[00:16:09]** f find a a jacket and tie, but a long pants might be helpful. I the witnesses therefore are are so directed and may be assisted by whether the the by the the police officer on duty to exit and to return as soon as they can find without going to Sufra. that is as soon as they can find something uh that would make it more appropriate for them to uh appear before this formal inquiry that is taking place today. >> Um witnesses, you did hear what the chairman said, so if anyone needs to be\n- **[00:17:00]** excused, you may do so now. And to and to return uh to return promptly. >> promptly. Yes. Why would somebody imagine that they Thank you, chairman. At this time, we will call our first witness, Corporal 153 Luchiano Guard. You will take the oath or if you wish to affirm. Affirm. You said you don't spray, right? >> Yes, ma'am. That's the original. >> Yes. If you have a different I, Luciano God, do sincerely and\n- **[00:19:02]** solemnly affirm that the information I shall give in this matter shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I do affirm. She's not This is a little far from me. Yes. Could you kindly state your name, your address, your office and your your role in the investigative process which has brought us to where we are now. >> My name is Luciano. I live at Sarcastries. I'm a corporal of police. I work at the marine intelligence and investigations unit and I am the\n- **[00:20:17]** investigator in reference to matter that occurred in Ansco on the 18th. on the 18th. As the investigating officer, do you have documents in connection with this matter? the documents you would have acquired and accumulated along the way, witness statements, reports and other such documents concerning the incident which you wish to uh present to this inquiry. >> I do. Your honor, >> these are the set documents. >> Can you itemize the the documents so that we're show what you intending to\n- **[00:21:08]** give us is what we would have received. The document has a cover sheet. It then has a table of contents which is three pages long. It then has a summary of facts. which is 14 pages long. It then has a pearly sweet witness statement in my name, Luciano. which is four pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name Kenisonson Jamari which is two pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name.\n- **[00:22:46]** >> Sorry, what Jamari did you say? Kenisonson Jamari. >> And you say it is two pages long. >> Two pages long. >> Yes. >> It then has a w police witness statement in the name Ji Gonzag which is three pages long. police witness statement in the name Lily May Dashville which is two pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name Shy Smith which is two pages long.\n- **[00:23:31]** It then has a police witness statement in the name Ny Harris which is two pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name Hazel Innocent which is three pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name Tyresa Teet which is four pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name Mario Chico which is three pages long. It then has a police witness statement\n- **[00:24:26]** in the name Irvin Kut Alfred which is four pages long. It then has a witness statement in the name Immani Senqua which is two pages long. It then has a witness statement in the name Denlin Samuel which is two pages long. >> Is that Henlin? >> Denlin N l I N >> Denlin Samuel >> Samuel. Yeah. It then has a >> how many pages you said? Den Samuel\n- **[00:25:10]** statement. >> Denin Samuel has two pages. >> Yes. >> It has a witness statement in the name Pascal which is two pages long. It then has >> the Iranius Pas is two pages long. That's an that's and the two pages >> two pages is two pages are missing in this in this in this witness. >> The two pages you have a page one and\n- **[00:25:44]** page >> one and and um three two pages are missing in this witness statement. That's all. anything you can tell us quickly as to why you do not have pages uh two and four. >> These pages must have gotten um mixed up when I unstapled the file and I was making the copies of the file. However, I do have ecopies of every statement so I can produce it. >> You were not informed before today that Ireina's Pascal statement few pages. >> I I have not gotten any correspondence in reference. In fact, I did not even\n- **[00:26:19]** know I was supposed to be here today. I got the call about an hour ago. I was on my way to the view for to the south. Sorry. >> Okay. So, you do not have the two pages, pages two and and four >> and four >> of Ireina Pascal's witness statement and you had not been informed uh before. You did not. You were not aware before. Now that >> I would have had to. No. >> It has a witness statement in the name Larry John which is three pages long.\n- **[00:27:09]** And if I could clarify something, um, your honor, I received information in reference, Mr. Iranius Pascal, but I was of the opinion that it was a numbering issue because it had 48 and 48. So I assumed that it was a numbering issue. I was not aware that it was missing >> pages. So you were aware you were made aware of >> of a number issue with erranous false statement >> but um I did not I was not I was not aware that it was a error with the\n- **[00:27:42]** missing pages. However, I thought it was a number in error because it was 48 and 48. >> Yes, proceed. >> It has a witness statement in the name Tyson Hippolit, which is two pages long. It has a supplementary report which is four pages long. a supplementary report of of the incident of the investigation at the at the particular time. And you say it is how many pages long? >> Four pages long.\n- **[00:28:51]** It then has postmortem documents for the three deceased individual for deceased individuals which are Heat. Heat. My apologies, Mr. Michelle. Your honor, in reference, Tyson's >> Mr. Mr. Chairman will work. Huh? >> Okay. My apologies, Mr. Chairman. In reference Tyson Hippolit statement it has four pages. >> Tyson Hippolit statement has four pages. Okay. There is a statement, a witness statement in the name General BHA\n- **[00:31:20]** which is four pages long. There is a witness statement in the name Ralph Edward which is three pages long. There is a witness statement in the name Chris Japatis which is three pages long. There is a witness statement in the name Charlene Charles which is three pages long. There is a witness statement in the name Deborah Judge which is two pages long. There is a witness statement in the name Zorya Jamari which is three pages long. There is a witness statement in the name\n- **[00:32:51]** Roxan Bonapart. >> Statement is not long. >> Three pages long. There is a witness statement in the name Roxan Bonapart which is five pages long. There is a witness statement in the name Dylan Nicholas which is four pages long. And now we come to the postmortem documents for all deceased individuals which consists Oh, heat. Heat. Heat.\n- **[00:34:59]** 43 pages long. There is a boat master license certificate from the division of maritime affairs in the name of Mr. Dylan Nicholas. One page there is a bootm license. The bootm license certificate >> of maritime affairs >> in the name of >> Dylan Nicholas. See one page. >> One page. >> Yes. There is a boat master's license in the name from division of maritime\n- **[00:35:47]** affairs in the name of Mr. Tyson Hippolit which is one page. There's a small craft certificate apply for hire from St. Lucia Air and Seap Port Authority for vessel. >> Sorry, you said what document? >> Small craft certificate flying for hire. >> Yes. >> From St. Lucia Air and Seaport Authority with vessel name Angel III which is three pages long. There is a small craft certificate applying for hire from St. Lucia Air and Seapport\n- **[00:36:50]** Authority in vessel name Kazula JR which is three pages long. There is a insurance document for vessel Ocean 3 which is two pages long. There is a request for police witness statement addressed to >> sorry let's just go back to >> insurance documents for Ocean Angel 3 you said >> yes sir >> and how many pages >> two pages long >> yes\n- **[00:37:54]** there is a request for police witness statement from myself, Corporal 153 guard to PC 942 innocent which forms one page >> PC9 >> 42 innocent >> which forms one page. There is a request for police witness statement from myself, Corporal 153 PC 954 Harris which is one page. There is a request for police witness statement to from myself, Corporal 15 regard to PC 918\n- **[00:39:10]** Gonzag. There is a request for police witness statement from myself, Corporal 153 to WPC 461 Smith. There is a request for police witness statement from myself, Corporal 153 to WPC 951 Dashville. There is a request for police witness statement from myself, Corporal 153 regard to PC 730 Jamari. There is a request for police witness statement from myself, Corporal 15 Regard to PC 200 Smith. There is a request for police witness\n- **[00:40:15]** statement from myself, Corporal 15 regard to Corporal 256 Stannis. There is an investigations diary prepared by myself which forms three pages. >> Investigations diary you said. >> Yes sir. Yes commissioner. Yes chairman. >> And how many pages you send? >> Three pages. Thank you. And that concludes the documents that I have here. Let me just do a quick check. These requests for police witness statements are they in respect of the\n- **[00:41:43]** same police witness statements you mentioned earlier? >> Yes, sir. Yes, chairman. >> And all of the the persons whom you requested statements from? All of the officers did give statements? >> No, chairman. >> And who in particular did not give witness statements? Corporal 251 Stannis. Corporal 256. >> 256. Stan is less and on my cover sheet\n- **[00:42:49]** on my cover sheet. I made note of missing state police witness statements in the name Sergeant 271 Dis acting corporal 47 78 >> Sergeant >> 271 Deise. >> Acting Corporal 478 Edwin. Acting Corporal 59 Anthony, Acting Corporal 407 Johnson. >> Sorry. Acting Corporal 478 >> 478 Edwin. >> Edwin. >> Yes. Acting Corporal 59 Anthony, Acting Corporal 407\n- **[00:43:56]** Johnson. I have since received statements from Sergeant 271 Diss, Acting Corporal 478 Edwin, Acting Corporal 59 Anthony. Police witness statement of acting corporal 407 Johnson is still outstanding. These are all of your documents. >> Yes, chairman. Did you at all receive a statement from\n- **[00:45:21]** is it Elias Nicholas? >> Mr. Elias Nicholas. >> Yes. >> No. I made attempts to record a statement from Mr. Elias Nicholas. Um, however, he was in um he was not in a condition based on his injuries to give one at the time. I have not received I have not received one as as of this current moment. >> Any subsequent attempts to to get one? I have not made a subsequent attempt. I will need you to take a look at I need you to take a look at what I have as the four pages of Ireneius Paul\n- **[00:46:16]** Pascal's witness statement. >> Yes, sir. >> See if you can identify so that we can have it as part of the evidence put in by you. Yes, man. And just so that you know, I found it in the SLASPA's report. The report by the director of maritime affairs of SASPA contained all of the statements, including this one. That's how Yes, >> I shared um the statements with them upon their request. Yes, chairman. This is the contents of Irinius Pascal statement. So you wish\n- **[00:47:17]** that to be before us just like all of the others that you put in >> witness statement of Iranius Pascal which contains four pages. Mhm. You can put it for couple. Give me the encourage. Whenever you're ready, you can >> coral guard. Good morning. >> Good morning, Mr. Frederick. Um just took note that we based on the circumstances provided um it would be would you agree that it would be important to have\n- **[00:48:40]** with us a copy of the movement diary for the night in question at the marine unit. >> Yes, Mr. Frederick, I do agree. and additionally the vessels which were used the government vessels which were used to assist in the rescue and otherwise a copy of the the log for the evening. >> Yes, I do agree. >> What was the first document you mentioned? >> The movement diary, the station movement diary and the vessels log. I think three vessels were used on separate occasions.\n- **[00:49:13]** Yeah. So a copy of the the pages making reference to the accident and everything related to Thank you. Good morning, Coral God. >> Good morning, sir. With regards to the investigation into this matter and the completion of the investigation file, how far are you from completing this assignment >> in reference to time period or >> Okay. in in relation to other documents to be attached to the file. Um as would have been requested a while ago by\n- **[00:50:35]** Commissioner Frederick. Um vehicle logs, station logs, other logs. These logs can be these logs can be procured um within a few days. Copies of it would not take very long to to procure these these logs and to attach it to the file. And in your estimation, how much longer would it take you as the investigator to have to bring this file to completion? To completion? It should take two weeks. It should take two weeks to to bring this file to completion. from your recollection, Corporal Guard, are there\n- **[00:51:43]** any other civilian witnesses you intend to interview and record statements from? From my recollection, I actually recorded additional witness statements from Miss Taylor River and Mr. Rome William. I went to show to record these statements, but these statements have not been signed. and Miss Taylor Rivier who was a passenger on Kazula JR Mr. Rome William\n- **[00:52:34]** who was a passenger on Kazula GRA Rome William These statements were recorded on the 29th of the 7th, 2026. I was informed by the two parties that they were signed. I just have to go down to the south to collect the statements. And Mr. Elias Nicholas, this statement will be recorded granted that he has the time before the week ends. A witness statement should be obtained from Elas Nicholas. When you said when\n- **[00:53:58]** you would expect that? >> Granted, if he has the time before the week the week ends. Mr. Chairman, I am I am minded to ask the investigating officer a particular question, but I think we'll be guided by you on it. Um, and it is in relation to his visit to and also that of the scenes of crime unit, their visits to the scene of the boating accident. Uh but I am now thinking whether we should wait because today's exercise is for him to simply tend a document. >> Um I was wondering whether we should wait when he gives his actual evidence\n- **[00:55:09]** to take that approach. I'm guided by you. Um be the reason I'm saying so now is of course if it happened we have not yet received a report on the visit of that scene and it would be more of a precursor question to ensure that we have it as part of the completed file. >> Yeah. >> So I am guided by you. >> No I I your approach I think is the correct one. uh in terms of yes we uh we would need to hear from corporal guard again after everything is in uh right now his his role as you correctly pointed out is mainly to put the\n- **[00:55:50]** documents in but in relation to to his in your investigation if I can uh speak to you directly in relation to your investigation all the the things you did and what whatever uh conclusions you you arrived that we would expect you back on the stand to give uh that evidence. So uh ACPD freighters in terms of having regard to that I leave it to you whether you think your question is more appropriate now or more appropriate upon the recall of >> of corporal guard. >> I I will ask it I will ask it in a particular manner that does not force\n- **[00:56:30]** him to bring out any evidence. Now very well. Um, Corporal God, do we expect a report from the scenes of crime office of the Royal St. Lucia Police first regarding their visit to the scene of the boating accident, you can expect a report in regards to that. And also in my report I did make mention of myself going to the scene and visiting the scene >> and and that report we can expect within the two week time frame of your completed file. >> Yes. Yes sir.\n- **[00:57:13]** >> Thank you Corporal Guard. That's all for me Mr. Chairman. Yes. Thank you. Um ACPD morning cop um >> in your investigations have you met with the director of maritime of SASPA? >> Would that be Mr. um can you jog my memory on his name? I I I did um meet with him. Um I cannot recall his name now. >> I think it's Mr. Alexander. >> Mr. Alexander. Yes. I did have conversations with Miss Alexander on two on two occasions. >> Have you been able to review contents of\n- **[00:58:03]** the report he has submitted within Slasper? >> Yes, I have. He provided me with a copy of the preliminary report. Have you seen the finalized report? >> No, I have not seen the finalized report. It was a prelim preliminary report that I I saw. That's why I did not make a mention of it in my in my file. >> Uh, one last question. Overall, what is the standard operating procedure in investigating a maritime incident? Do you wait on SLASPA or is there a joint approach?\n- **[00:58:41]** We don't wait on SASPA. However, the investigation is normally one of a joint one with Slasper and the Division of Maritime Affairs. We work in tandem to complete complete any one investigation. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome, sir. Um, Corporal Guard, just one slight question. Um, other than the the SOP, standard operating procedures, would you be aware of any other agencies that may or you you may have been you may have been in contact with, for example, the different department of fisheries\n- **[00:59:38]** um or any other agencies that would have assisted in the recovery of the bodies or in terms of the investigation where the scene was concerned making slight reference not in depth that is to what commissioner defa spoke of earlier on in relation to the investigation this particular investigation um avenues were exploited to work in tandem with different agencies all the agencies I would not be able to recall off the top of my The scenes of crime office is one which\n- **[01:00:24]** is under the Royal St. Luchia Police Force umbrella. We did work with them. We we worked well I worked closely with with Division of Maritime Affairs. In fact, two of their ship inspectors did visit the scene with me on a particular day. I made reference to it in my investigations diary. Um >> two of the officers you say of Slasper. >> Slasper. So Mr. >> Who officers as in maritime um ports police officers or >> No, not ports police officers. I think they hold a title of of ship ships >> surveyors.\n- **[01:01:02]** >> Surveyors. Very well. >> Yeah. >> Um Mr. Peter Joseph and Mr. Wilbur ATN ATN um in in relation to division of fisheries. This this avenue was not exploited because the vessels were registered under the under division of maritime affairs. It had a SL SL registration number. But um would it be safe to say no contact as we speak from the time of the accident to now no contact with the maritime rescue coordinated center that\n- **[01:01:48]** is MROCC? in relation to contacting MRCC that would not fall under my purview. >> Okay. >> Okay. Understood. Thank you. Mrs. Shalman Octav any questions from legal council just one Mr. Chair um Mr. AD did you take any statements at all from the two Slaspo officers which visited the sheep surveyors? >> Statements were requested from them and they have not provided it as yet but I will require these statements. >> Okay. So we could anticipate that these\n- **[01:02:54]** two >> within the same twoe period. >> Okay. Thank you. Anything else? Anything else? You >> go your This was very helpful. >> Sure. begging a pardon before you relieve corporal guard. I just want to place on record while he's still there that the commission has requested a number of those documents from the office of the commissioner. Um for the records, we have requested the missing pages of the\n- **[01:04:05]** witness statements from Ireina Pascal as well as the investigator's diary. We have also requested copies of the standard operating procedures of the police marine unit RSS and the MRCC. And for the record that means the maritime rescue coordination center in for the force. We have requested a copy of the movement diary for activities during the period of 18th of July to 23rd July pertinent to the maritime collision at Asco. We have requested copies of the ship's logs as well as boarding forms. These were supposed to have been submitted by Wednesday 7th October but\n- **[01:04:40]** we have not received any of those documents to date. I wanted to place that on record. >> Okay. Is there anything you wish to say on the statement by commission secretary >> in relation to the investigator's diary? I did receive a copy of that request and I provided another copy of the investigator's diary and as it pertains to Mr. Iranius Pascal statement when I read the request I noted that it said that the pages were numbered 48 and 48. So, I was of the opinion that it was a numbering error and not an error with\n- **[01:05:20]** the content of the of the of the um statement. Anything anything else? Yes. Well, um thank you Corporal Guard. you you can expect to hear from the commission further. Uh when most likely it would be when we have heard uh all of the witnesses, we would recall you as the investigating officer uh to to virtually have the last word at at least in relation to the police investigation of the matter. >> Okay, Mr. Chairman. >> Okay, thank you. We will have the uh the\n- **[01:06:11]** next witness. You may you may step down. >> Thank you, Corporal. You can step down. >> The next witness this morning, chair and commissioners, is Miss Roxan Bonapart. Yeah. Go ahead. Just come here. Just parts and bon part. do solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. >> Okay. >> Yes. Before Miss Bonapart commences her evidence, it would be appropriate if other witnesses uh would step outside of the chamber at this time. And just so that you\n- **[01:07:37]** understand, this would be usual court procedure. A witness giving evidence, another witness to be called later on to give evidence on the same subject matter. It is not considered appropriate for the witness to first hear what evidence somebody else is giving and then come and give evidence afterwards. So it is normal protocol that when one witness is giving evidence, any witness who has not already given evidence should step outside uh until that evidence is concluded. Once you have completed giving your evidence, you can stay throughout. But before doing so, um\n- **[01:08:17]** the the value of your evidence can be lessened by the fact that you heard the evidence of another witness on the same subject matter. I don't know if that's clearly understood. If anybody doesn't clearly understand, let me know. It is, as I said, really Uh the two captains should be should probably state in that all of what happened directly concerned them and just like the the parties in in a court proceeding the parties would remain although the witnesses\n- **[01:09:07]** would leave. In the case of the two captains should uh remain behind if they wish to. They can remain uh during the the testimony of the other witnesses. you identify the the two persons who have remained. >> Yeah. So these were the two persons who kept in the boat. Council, could you please identify yourself? I'm sorry I didn't hear your last words. >> Yes. And you are representing the uh Yes. Okay. And you do not have counsel in the matter.\n- **[01:10:19]** You're not represented by a lawyer. And is that you are okay with that proceeding without a lawyer in this matter? Because if you if you wanted to have a lawyer, you would be allowed to have a lawyer just as uh Mr. Nicholas has a lawyer, you are entitled to have a lawyer in the same way. So I am alerting you to that fact and it is for you to decide whether you are comfortable proceeding as is or whether you would require to be assisted by a lawyer uh throughout the remainder of these proceedings. So you wish to proceed\n- **[01:11:14]** yes without you engaging a lawyer in the matter. just need to be sure of that. That is your right. I'm not telling you you you must engage a lawyer. But I'm letting you know that you have a right to do so. And um and if you wish to do so, you would be accommodating through doing. But if you wish to proceed without a lawyer, then you are also entitled to do so. Is that clear? I begun. Very well. And just to add one thing though, you are you are still entitled at a later\n- **[01:11:54]** stage to decide I now want the lawyer. In other words, having said no now, it doesn't mean that you are bound by that answer throughout the remainder of the proceedings. If at any stage based on evidence given, statements made, you think it would best serve your interest to have legal representation, you are entitled to inform the the commission at that time through the the secretary of the commission, Miss Joseph. You are entitled to inform her that you now wish to have a lawyer to to assist you in this matter. Very well. Yes.\n- **[01:12:35]** You you heard and understood me. Yes. So we ready to proceed with Miss Bonapart commissioners. So Miss Bonapart if you can state your name, your address, your occupation. My name is Roxan Bonapat. I'm from Crestland Sufre and I work at a at the call center as a call center representative. Where's the detail? In there. Where's the detail? Did you give a statement to the police? Uh before >> the moment is too too\n- **[01:13:49]** >> uh before you you commence your evidence Mapart I I have been informed that one of the the witnesses who I addressed earlier on may have been more comfortable if I had addressed him in what is normally referred to as our mother tongue. And for the benefit of that witness and I trust all of us have sufficient familiarity with the cre language so that we can equally understand uh what what is being said. No, still repeat. Still repeated. Still repeated. comfort. Very. Yes, Miss Bonapad,\n- **[01:15:13]** you have been shown a copy of the statement which you gave to the police on the 24th of July, 2026. >> Yes. >> And are you satisfied that what is in the statement accurately reflects what you did say to the police on the 24th of July? >> Yes. Do you wish to and you is this you satisfied that the statement is true and correct? >> Yes. >> Do you wish to add anything alter\n- **[01:15:46]** anything uh from the statement that you have given and which you read again this morning? >> No. >> You do not wish to add anything to alter anything. you are uh satisfied that the statement represents the truth as you heard it as you saw it on the night of 18th July 2026 at Asco in the court of answering. >> Yes. Very well. Yep. Miss Bangat uh in your statement to the police officer and that is on page three of\n- **[01:16:47]** your statement. you said to the police. I noticed that no one on the boat was wearing life jackets. I told him that I don't know how to swim, so I need a life jacket. He replied to me that I am safe with him. >> You recall saying so to the police? >> Yes. Did you at any point during the trip see life jackets above that vessel? >> I cannot recall. And when you answer I cannot recall. Are you saying that you do not remember whether you saw\n- **[01:18:06]** or you did not see? Well, I can only remember I received one after the accident like while we were in the water but on the boat itself I cannot recall seeing any the question that ACP defraus asked you secondarily is important that whether you are saying that um that I may or may not have seen any but I do not now recall or whether you're you're saying that on the night in question you you saw uh various things but you do not recall that there were there were any life jackets? >> Yes, I saw various things. So I cannot\n- **[01:18:56]** recall that they were life jackets in my sight at the time while we were on the boat. Again, just to interpose um are you in a position to say though that I never saw anyone wearing a life jacket? >> Yes, I remember saying that. >> And that is the correct position. You >> you you there was nobody that you saw was wearing a life jacket on that night >> on the on the boat I was on. No, >> sorry to interpose, but that >> that is quite fine, Mr. Chairman. Miss Bonapart, today you have said to\n- **[01:19:35]** the commission that you did not see life jackets on the vessel itself, but after the accident you got one while you were in the water. >> Yes. >> Do you know where that life jacket came from? >> Um, well, I cannot recall, but someone handed it to me. I don't remember who. Are you in a position to tell this commission Who handed you the life jacket? >> No, I don't remember who Heat up here.\n- **[01:21:35]** Thank you, Miss Bonapart. That's all for me for now, Mr. Ch. >> That's it. >> No, no, no, no. >> Morning, Mr. Bonapart. Um, on page two of your statement, you noted and I quote, I I read from your witness statement. Myself and my friends boarded the boat and we left Sufre. Tyrone continued driving. He was driving at a moderate speed. After a minute of driving, Dylan told him that he would take over. He said that Tyrone does not\n- **[01:22:16]** know how to push that boat and that he would show him how to do it. When Dylan took over, he started driving very fast. I asked him to stop so I could secure my phones in my bag, which I did. When he started back, he continued driving fast. So my question is, can you describe or recollect the speed at which he was going? What do you deem as fast? >> Well, fast would be that faster than the normal speed I know when I already bought that boat. >> So, I was just comparing it to other times I boughted the boat.\n- **[01:22:56]** >> So, it was beyond the normal speed. >> Yeah. >> And could you describe for want of a better word the behavior of the boat during that speed? Well, it was going fast like to the point like the front of the boat was um like it was blocking my vision. So, I wouldn't be able to see the front like in front of the boat itself. >> When you say blocking your view, >> like being seated, you would not be able to see in front of what's coming in front of you. And do you recall where on the vessel\n- **[01:23:35]** you were seated at the time when the bow was blocking your vision? >> The second row after the captain. >> Yeah. >> The second row after the captain. Sorry to interpose. That's what you're saying. You were seated. >> Yes. Like the second bench. >> That's behind the captain. >> No, in front. You said the second row after the captain >> with the captain at the back and then the bench is in front. >> Oh, you're moving towards the bow. >> So from the back.\n- **[01:24:07]** >> Yeah. >> It's two >> forward. >> So you were two benches in front of the captain. >> Yes. >> Okay. And where were the other passengers located? >> Well, two were next to me. There were three on the bench at the back of me and two on the bench in front. >> Two on the bench in front of you? >> Yes. >> Do you recall what they were doing while the vessel was going at that speed?\n- **[01:24:41]** >> Seating. >> They were all seated. >> Yeah. At that moment, were you able to identify the person who was designated to to be the lookout on the vessel? >> Well, no. I did not at that time I did not know anything about the supposed to have a lookout. >> You do not recall or you just didn't it it did not matter to you? >> Well, it did not matter to me. One final question for me. When you boarded the vessel,\n- **[01:25:23]** do you recall being given any safety briefings or instructions? >> No. >> None whatsoever from >> No. >> The captain. Thank you. That's all. Miss Bonapart, in your witness statement at page 2, you said that Dylan came to pick me up at my house in Crescent Lands a few minutes after 11:00 p.m. Um, do you recall the actual time that the boat left Sufare? No, I cannot recall because I had the phone. I put it in the bag, so I cannot recall.\n- **[01:26:17]** You also said that um visibility was low so you could not see clearly. Do you remember seeing any part of the boat and if so what parts of the boat do you remember seeing whilst the boat was on route to cash? the front of the boat. And you said that you did not observe any navigation lights on the boat. >> No. And when you requested the life jacket, what happened? Were you were not given a life jacket? >> No. >> Immediately before the impact, did you\n- **[01:27:21]** see any other vessels or lights? >> All right. What? What did you answer? >> Immediately before the impact, did she see any other lights? >> What did she answer? >> She said no. Do you recall who gave you assistance after the accident? >> Um, are you asking about like who transported us from the water? >> Yes. So, what happened after the impact as per your memory? Um well while we were in the water we were screaming for help. We saw one boat pass but um they did not stop and then another came. So\n- **[01:28:06]** one of the guys had his phone so he started flashing the light and that's when he came and we noticed it was um a friend of us from Baron Drive. So then he we boarded the boat. He bring us down to Apart from observing whether or not there were life jackets on the boat and apart from being told of any instruction, safety instructions, did you observe any safety equipment on the boat? >> Well, I'm not sure what the safety equipment on a boat would be. So, I >> So, what did you observe like when you\n- **[01:29:00]** entered the boat? Apart from there being passengers on board, um, did you observe anything? >> No. Well, not that I was looking for anything else. These are all my questions. I I want to go back to a question that ACPD Freight has asked you about life jackets and and what you remember. In your statement to the police, you said, \"I noticed that no one on the boat was wearing a life jacket.\" This is not an I don't know. This is I noticed that no one was wearing a life jacket. So,\n- **[01:30:05]** I'm a little unsure about your I do not know or or I think I do not remember. Yes, I think I do not remember is what you uh indicated. But in your statement you said you noticed that no one was wearing a life jacket. Is that something you will stand by that statement or is your evidence that I do not know where where there are anyone who is wearing a dive jacket because there's a difference between the two and I just want to make it clear that the record reflects what you are saying whether that is at the time what I saw no one was wearing a\n- **[01:30:43]** life jacket or whether it was I cannot recall whether anyone was wearing a life jacket that that is important and I think I think you need to think about it and let us know which one it is. >> Well, I noticed no one had life jackets, but he asked me if I saw life jackets on the boat. I said I cannot recall if they were on the boat itself, but I said I no one had life jackets on them. >> All right. So, your evidence is that you do not know, you cannot recall whether there were life jackets on the boat. What you can say as a fact is that no one on the boat that night was wearing a\n- **[01:31:20]** life jacket. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Just needed to clarify that Miss um Roxan Bonapad. Good morning. on page two of your report and I quote what you gave to the police. I noticed the boat coming towards the dock. It was a white and red boat. You also stated that there were no lights on the boat. Is that correct? >> Yes. And you further stated that if there were, you would have seen it. >> Yes.\n- **[01:32:09]** >> What lights were you looking at? Any particular color? Any >> um but I from what I can recall it would be like a red and green or if it's a red and blue but it's supposed to have like two colors. >> Okay. Red and green usually red and green navigation. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Thank you. You further went to say on that same on the lower part of that statement in regard to the speed the boat was traveling.\n- **[01:32:38]** You heard someone said in creole take it easy which means the person would have said what >> okay thank you. And what happened then? Well, he continued >> the same speed. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, it leads us now to a very important part of your statement on page three. You said the sea was very rough. Is that correct? >> Well, it was the weather was a kind of we like it was raining previously. So, the the current wasn't it wasn't calm.\n- **[01:33:24]** >> Right. And you further stated that it was cloudy and dark and you could not see properly what was in front of you. >> Yeah, >> that is correct. So with that being said, we go down to the lower part of your statement where you said that this was the fastest you have ever been on a boat. Is that correct? >> On that boat? Yes. >> On that boat. And you stated further that the boat I want to read exactly what you said. While we were traveling on the boat, the\n- **[01:34:12]** boat kept flying out of the water. Can you explain that to us please? Um well with the speed um I would say that he was flying out of the water because I felt like we were bumping up and down on the seat and that's when I asked to stop so I could have put the phones away in the back and he gave me a coat because I tell him I was feeling cold. >> Okay. And shortly thereafter you all commence and you felt yourself in the water. >> Yeah, that's all I could have remembered. So at the time of the impact\n- **[01:34:48]** would it be safe to say that the boat was traveling at that same speed in and out of the water? >> Um well from there I don't remember anything. I >> before before the impact before >> the last thing I remembered was after I said the thing about the life jacket from then I don't have any memory from since after I remember being in the water. >> Okay. I want to take you just before the being in the water. You have explained to us that the that the boat was traveling fast,\n- **[01:35:24]** it was rainy, the sea was slightly rough and visibility was poor, which means you could not have seen much in front of you. That's correct. >> Yes. >> Right. So, I would like you to guide us through whether or not the boat was traveling straight or it was in a zigzag motion or something. Give us a clear description of what happened just before the impact. Please. >> From what I recall, the boat was traveling straight. I don't I cannot recall it going left or\n- **[01:35:59]** right or any zigzag motion. Just straight. >> Straight. >> Yeah. with the speed and the visibility was poor and the next thing you remember you were in the water. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um were there any other vessel traveling in the same direction with you with your the vessel you are on board at the time? >> Not that I noticed. >> Just you all going up from so far >> from what I can recall. Yes. >> Right. But you also stated that\n- **[01:36:35]** immediately or shortly after the accident, a vessel passed. Was it in the same direction heading north or heading south? The one that did not see you. >> Um, south was heading to Suf. >> Sufi. Yeah, >> but it did not see you. How close did it pass to the >> Um, it wasn't that close, but it was a distance where we could have actually see that there were persons on board. Um, would it be from wall to wall of this room or a little further? >> Yeah, you could say from wall to wall >> from the front end to the back end of\n- **[01:37:10]** it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That would have been roughly 15 m. 15 to 20 m roughly. Yeah. And um my other question to was how soon after or the best of your ability, how long after or how soon after the impact were you rescued out of the water? Well, it felt like hours, but I was told that it was only minutes. >> Minutes? >> Yeah, but I don't know how long. It felt\n- **[01:38:03]** like hours to me. >> Okay, thank you. That's all for now. I want to go back to pre the pre-inccident conditions. Um, the crew you mentioned at the time that Tyrone was driving, correct? >> Yes. When we boarded, >> uh, what what was his behavior? Did he look tired? Was he under the influence? Was he alert while at the stern? How would you describe his behavior?\n- **[01:38:51]** >> I cannot recall. You cannot recall. >> No. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You you said that when you when you first saw the boat from the waterfront in Suare coming towards you with um with Dylan and and is it Tyran? with Dylan and Tyran on board. You said from then there were no lights on the boat. >> Yes. >> But you you and your friends nonetheless boarded the boat. >> Yes.\n- **[01:39:37]** Why did you feel it okay to board a boat at night to to drive from Suare to to Gro which did not have lights >> because it's not the first time that we traveled with Dan at night by boat >> without lights? >> No, it well it had light before. >> Yeah, but that's what I'm asking you. You you were about to board a boat to go from Sufra to Rosal. The boat didn't have lights and yet you and your friends boarded that boat unlit to head to to Gary. I'm just trying to understand what you you gave your evidence\n- **[01:40:21]** very intelligently. You you very clear as to what you saw, what you didn't see, but you saw a boat without lights and you and your two friends boarded it to head towards closely and anything caused you to have behaved in that way. You had traveled you traveled on his boat before, but you saying it had lights then >> when you travel on it in the night. Here you seeing it without lights. >> Why did you board it? >> I I did not think much of it at the time. And then during the the course of the\n- **[01:40:58]** voyage uh just before the impact you you again noticed that the boat had no lights or up to then the boats still had no lights. >> Yes, it had no lights. >> And you asked Dylan for a life jacket and he told you, \"No, don't worry. You're safe with me.\" >> Yes. And yet you continued on the boat with no lights, with no life jacket, speeding, cloudy, dark. Why? I don't know. Cuz I wanted to get to my\n- **[01:41:37]** destination. >> Very well. Yep. Um, Miss Bonapart, just for our understanding, you said that you were holding on to the boat and after the impact, you realized that the piece of the vessel, the boat you were holding on to was no longer attached to the boat. That's after the impact. That's correct. >> Yes. >> What became of that that piece of Did you do anything with it? Did anybody take it from you? No, we were all holding on to it.\n- **[01:42:22]** >> Um, do you know where it is at this time or how big was it? Can you just give us an idea? >> I don't know. >> Is it the crossbar or is it the white the side of the boat? What What was it? >> I don't know. I felt lost at the moment. I just know I was holding on to piece of the boat. Thank you. >> Just to clarify what Mr. Frederick said, you did say that before the accident, you were holding on to a piece of the boat and then after the impact, you realized that you were still holding on\n- **[01:43:06]** to that same part. So before the impact, what part of the boat were you holding on to? while I was seated on the left side of the boat. So, I was leaning onto the left side at the time. Um, I had my arms on the on the left side of the boat. So, I'm not sure if it was the same side that I was holding on to in the water. Okay. Any other questions? Miss Bonapat, again I want to take you back to page three of your statement and you made two particular statements in relation\n- **[01:43:50]** to your ability to see ahead of you and and and one is it was also very cloudy and dark. I could not see properly in front of me. Lower down. So you attributing there your inability to see ahead of you was as a result of the weather conditions at the time. It was cloudy and dark. >> Yes. >> And lower down you say we were traveling so fast that the front of the boat was constantly in the air. I could not have seen anything in front of me beside the\n- **[01:44:35]** front of the boat. >> Yes. >> So, put that explain all of that to this commission. Oh, because you seem to have jumped a bit and gone back to your ability to see. So, so tell us all in one statement what what all of what caused your inability to see ahead of you. tell us in one continuous statement. >> So on the date of giving my statement, I was asked to describe what the weather was like >> and that is why I said it was cloudy and\n- **[01:45:08]** dark at the time which means I was not able to see everywhere clearly because I was asked to describe where exactly I was located at the time in the water. So I was informing the officer that I was not able to see clearly because of the weather condition. and he asked if I was able to see any oncoming vessel in front and I said no because since we were going fast the front part of the boat was um obstructing my view. >> Thank you very much Miss Bonov. That's that's all from me Mr. Chairman. I want to turn to to\n- **[01:45:54]** the other witnesses in particular the two witnesses who were told that they could remain if they wish. Miss Bonapart has given certain evidence that especially council is present on behalf of Mr. Nicholas, whether anything that Miss Bonapart has said in giving her evidence gives rise to issues that you would wish to clarify by questions to her Your voice is a little low. I mean, I suppose it's not your fault because there's no microphone. >> I was hoping that we would have had uh\n- **[01:46:59]** uh some rules in relation to the proceedings. >> Yeah. Closer to the >> Oh, come closer to the >> Yes. I was saying I was hoping that we would have had some rules from the commission as it relates to the proceedings because of course you as a question and I was a bit tentative as it relates to whether I should respond. >> You keep dropping your voice. Oh >> if I have difficulty hearing you I suspect nobody at the back is >> you're not hearing. >> Fair enough. Understood.\n- **[01:47:29]** >> Okay. >> The volume was low that's why. >> Okay. >> Yes. So chairman, I was saying um I was hoping um that I we would have had at least some rules in relation to the management of the proceedings and um hence the reason why I was a bit tentative um in whether I should be the one responding or the the witness. >> Well, he said you said you're representing. >> Yes, I am. I am. However, >> in the normal course of things, a\n- **[01:48:02]** witness who is represented by a council, that council would be the one asking questions that that would be the normal course of things. And if there is a departure from that procedure, then one would expect that in that case, one had to be told. But the procedure that is being used is one that one would imagine that you're very familiar with. >> Um yes indeed I am. Um however it um it's an inquiry and I want to uh of course respect the the the management of the proceedings. I just looked at the act and section 9 of the act specifically spoke to their rules and\n- **[01:48:41]** regulations. So >> that's all I wanted to say. >> Yes. In the light of all that you have said and read, do you wish to ask any questions of the witness? >> No. My lord. evidence that may that may impact on the position of your client? >> No, no, no, Mr. Chairman. >> No, not at this point. >> Okay. And you say not at this point. Are you therefore asking to reserve your right at a later stage in the proceedings to ask questions of Miss Bonapart because we would need to give appropriate directions to Miss Bonapart\n- **[01:49:22]** in terms of whether she may be required at a later stage to return to give evidence and in particular to be questioned by by the by other witnesses or council representing them. >> We will not be requiring a Mr. Chairman. >> Very well. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> And and with that, I can take it that that Mr. Nicholas or his council uh do not require to question this one. >> You are correct, Mr. Chair. >> Thank you. Spooky. tell me otherwise, I will still say what\n- **[01:50:49]** I have to say in the two languages of this country. You have a right at this stage to ask any questions of Miss Bonapart in relation to anything that she may have said which you have questions about concerning exactly what happened on that night. Okay. Okay. So, Messi. Okay. Very well. Uh, Miss Bonabat, any other? Yeah, >> I just have one more question. Um, when Dylan took over from Tyrone,\n- **[01:51:56]** where was Tyrone situated? Did you see him having any conversations with Dylan? Um, or was he seated? Did he sit on the boat after Dylan took over? >> He was seated on the bench in front of me. in front of you. >> Yeah. >> But you did not observe him having any discussions with Dylan or looking out into the water and telling him anything? >> No, I did not observe that. >> Okay, thanks. Yes, I noticed that there was a lady seated at the back, very well-dressed,\n- **[01:52:45]** who was putting her hand up uh with some indication that she wanted to say something, she wanted to ask something. Is that what was what was happening there? And and yes, you know, you know, I'm addressing you. Can just just kindly stand, please. Just kindly stand please so I can hear you better. Uh I like I said I thought I I thought I noticed you raised your hand at some stage. Was that an indication that you had wish to ask anything or say anything? >> Yes ma'am. >> No no no I'm not asking you to say it\n- **[01:53:20]** yet. I just want to understand. So that was an indication that you wish to say something or ask something this morning. >> Yes. >> What is your name? >> Charlie. And you were a witness from whom a statement was was taken? >> Yes. >> And was she a witness? Was she a passenger? She was a passenger. No, I am the mother of my favorite. Heat. Heat. Heat.\n- **[01:55:33]** I've consulted with the other commissioners and the legal council and they you you were not present on the night that this transpired. So you are not in a position to give evidence as to >> No. >> No, no, no. Him, please. When I speak, you listen. when you speak, I'll listen. U you are not in a position to give evidence as to what transpired on that night, but you wish to ask a question that may concern the events of that night. It's just that I wanted to hear his response based on when you asked me whether he had any um thing to say about\n- **[01:56:14]** what had um stated but the lawyer had not permitted me or given me a chance to answer. So I wanted to hear his response. That's that's all I would ask. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Well, just to be clear, um he is represented by a lawyer or he is here present with a lawyer who who would consult with his client and determine uh from what his client says whether there any questions that his client wishes to ask. It was put to both uh council and to to the the witness and it came out clearly that no qu it was not desired\n- **[01:56:58]** for any questions to be asked either by or on behalf of Mr. Nicholas and that is as I indicated that is his right. He has a right to ask a question or he has a right not to ask a question. He has chosen to exercise the right not to ask the question. Yes. Okay. Um, any other questions for Miss Bonapart or Okay. >> Thank you, Miss Bonapart. You can step down. >> But just be aware of the fact you have concluded your evidence. The all the\n- **[01:57:38]** commissioners have asked you questions and the the secretary uh Mr. Mr. Pascal and Mr. Hippollet. Mr. Pascal and Mr. Hippollet have both declined the opportunity to ask you questions. However, be aware that the commission still reserves the the right to recall you. If anything that transpires in subsequent proceedings raises an issue on which you can assist the commission the commission then you may be recalled uh to do so and just to be clear I think I've said it already but I still want to emphasize particularly when I'm telling\n- **[01:58:19]** you that you may be recalled the purpose of questions to you is not to um cast any aspersions on anything you did or did not do that night. It is simply to put before the commission all of the relevant information that is available. So again, if you are recalled, do not think that that that somebody's picking on you or targeting you or anything. Your role is to assist the commission in terms of what transpired that evening. And we have no other objective other than to get from you the what you see, what you heard, what you experienced on that night. Okay. Thank you, Miss\n- **[01:59:00]** Bonapart. Um, chair, we we have two other witnesses from the Ocean Angel vessel. Um, however, council has indicated that bearing in mind his client's um medical situation that perhaps we can allow him to give his witness testimony. There's only one other person who was on that same vessel with him, which is Elias. And Elias is outside. So >> Elias is present. >> Yes. So I'm asking leave to allow um Dylan Nicholas to give his testimony bearing in mind his situation. He's not able to stay up upright for too long.\n- **[01:59:49]** >> Yes. I would want to hear from his lawyer. Um whether that is having consulted with your client whether that is your client's preferred position to give evidence now rather than to wait for anybody else including uh one of the persons who who was a passenger and who I believe is his cousin. um whether he he wishes despite all of that to give his evidence now rather than to wait uh for for Elas Nicholas or anybody else give >> Yes. Very well. very quickly. They say hi.\n- **[02:01:11]** Hi, Dylan Nicholas. >> I am >> I Dylan Nicholas. >> I Dylan Nicholas >> do solemnly swear >> to tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth >> and nothing but the truth. >> So help me God. Help me God. True. Help me God. Can I push? It's not going forward. >> Good afternoon, chairman. Uh we will first you will give your evidence and um any one of the commissioners or the\n- **[02:02:13]** secretary of the commission legal council may ask you questions following your your own uh giving of your evidence. I want to make it clear to you that you you are here to assist the commission to indicate what you saw, what you heard, what you did on the night in question and anything arising from or resulting from that. Um, we are not concerned with any offense or offenses that you may or may not have committed. That is not our role. We are not the police. We are a commission of inquiry set up by the government, by the\n- **[02:02:58]** governor general of St. Lucia to inquire into the circumstances of what transpired that night and to make recommendations as to uh how as to safety considerations and other things that would have been brought out by that incident on the 18th of July at ASO. I just want you to be clear on that. Okay. >> Understood. >> With that, I will ask you to state your name, your address, and your occupation. >> I am Dylan Nicholas from Barn Drive Suare. I am the managing director of Ocean\n- **[02:03:37]** Angel books. Did you on the 8th of September 2026 give a statement to the police as to the incident which occurred on 18th July 2026? Did you give a statement to the police on the 8th of September? I did give a statement to the police. However, my memory does not serve me right as to the date cuz I've been short enough memory back and forth. >> Okay. Well, I have seen a statement which I'm told was given to you to to read before you uh before we started the proceedings this morning. Is that\n- **[02:04:28]** correct that you were given a statement to read? >> Yes, sir. The statement uh was taken by by Corporal 153 God and that statement was given by you on the 8th of September and certified by you as being true and correct. >> Yes, chairman. Are you standing by the truth and correctness of the statement that this represents what happened on that night to the best of your recollection? >> Yes, I am.\n- **[02:05:09]** >> Okay. Is there having read the statement is there anything you would wish to alter? Anything you would wish to change in the statement? Anything you would need to add to what you said to Corporal Guard? uh on the 6 on the 8th of September 2026. >> Not at this moment. >> You heard the evidence of Miss Roxan Bonapart uh given just a short while ago. >> Yes, Chairman. And I take it that nothing she said in her\n- **[02:05:55]** evidence causes you to to to make any changes, adjustments, additions, or alterations to your statement. >> Yes, your honor. >> Okay. Uh either me or any of the commissioners or legal counsel to the the commission may at this time ask questions of you. Good afternoon, Mr. Nicholas. >> Good afternoon, Mr. DJ. >> How are you feeling? >> Good. >> Okay. So, I have a series of questions for\n- **[02:07:07]** you. Um, I just wanted to start off with, um, how long have you been a boat captain? >> Um, over 10 years. >> 10 years. >> Yes. But acquire my license, which is my boat master's license. Uh I would say I'm not sure to require a date but I would say 3 4 years ago. And and what level boat license captain do you have? >> Grade two. And do you know the details of what grade two boat captain license allows\n- **[02:07:57]** you to do? co as far as I know coastal waters co okay so so presently the vessel ocean angel am I correct in assuming that is part of a boat talk company >> that's correct >> and how many vessels does that boat talk company have >> there's four vessels actually um freezing operation. One is not due to uh unwanted\n- **[02:08:40]** trough pass by in 2023 that caused the damage of one of the vessels. So according to your statement the on the night of this incident you were the sole captain of this vessel >> at the time of the incident. Yes. >> But but the entire evening were you the sole captain? >> No. Upon departing Sufre, uh Tyrone was the captain while I stood away LS and fenders and took over the helm at Ansmobile. So\n- **[02:09:34]** you took over the helm of the vessel of Ans Min. >> That's correct. >> Do you recall The speed that you were going at when you took over the vessel, >> it was between 3,500 RPM to 4,500 RPM. >> Okay. By the way, what size engines do you have on the vessel? >> It's one engine to be accurate. And it's a 200 horsepower. >> 200 horsepower. So when you boarded the vessel leaving\n- **[02:10:10]** Sufra, you were not the captain. >> No, I wasn't. >> Do you recall the captain at that time going through the safety procedures to all the crew and passengers? >> No. So you could confirm that there was no safety briefing while the vessel was leaving up until an SMAN. >> That's correct. Can you describe the speed, direction, and the behavior of the vessel when you\n- **[02:10:58]** took over? You've given me the speed, but how was the vessel based on the weather conditions and the sea? >> When you mean how is it based on the weather conditions of the sea? Can you elaborate on that please if you don't mind? Based on the weather report, the sea was a little choppy. >> Yes, >> visibility was poor. >> Visibility poor. I wouldn't say it was partly cloudy, but I wouldn't say visibility was poor. Given that it's not my first time,\n- **[02:11:33]** >> can you repeat that? I said given that it's not my first time traveling at night, I considered it's partly cloudy, but saying that visibility was poor on my take, I wouldn't say that. >> So, how was the visibility? >> It was moderate. >> Moderate. And at the time when you took over the helm of the vessel? >> Yes. >> Did you have a lookout, a spotter? At the time I took over to him, Tyrone was my new lookout.\n- **[02:12:08]** >> So Tyrone was >> my new lookout. >> Okay. >> That's all for now. Thank you. >> You're welcome. Good day, Mr. Nicholas. How are you doing? >> Good day, Mr. Kry. I'm good. Good. Um I believe it it is taken that you have a valid boat masters or captain license. >> Yes. >> So you would be familiar with the rules of the road or as we call the navigational rules, international rules\n- **[02:13:25]** of the road. >> Yes. In which three factors are very important when it comes to operating a vessel and that would be safe speed, lookout and restricted visibility. >> Yes. Being a certified boat captain, would you agree that you would have taken everything into consideration, especially when it comes to rule number two? And rule number two\n- **[02:14:11]** would indicate that the owner, the captain, the master, the crew of a vessel shall take all necessary precaution and if necessary go outside of those international rules to avoid a collision. In taking that into consideration, of course, you would have to refer back to restricted visibility, how dark it was on the night or even if it is daytime, you may have haze, fog, snow. Otherwise, in St. Lucia, no snow and your lighting, your sea condition and all the lookout. So would it be why\n- **[02:14:55]** would it be correct to say that you had taken all those precautions before the collision? >> Yes. You stated just a few minutes ago that you had a lookout. >> Yes. >> All right. Did the lookout report seeing anything ahead of you prior to the accident? >> No. Nothing. Did you as a captain took any course? Cause meaning stabbed which is the right. >> Yes.\n- **[02:15:34]** >> Or port to the left any time prior minutes before the accident. Upon approaching when seeing that navigation light which is red and green, I alter course to my port side to my starboard side that starboard side. Sorry. >> You alter cost. You saw a red and green >> straight on my bow and altered cost onto my starboard side. >> Okay. Okay. So having seen that red and green, you saw it or your your lookout? >> I saw it. >> You saw it, but the lookout never saw it.\n- **[02:16:14]** >> They never reported. >> He never reported back to you. >> Yes. >> Okay. So it is the responsibility of the lookout to report to the captain what he or she may see. Exactly. >> Especially the red and green which is the navigation lights. >> Yes. >> Right. If you saw a white light which means you would have been approaching a vessel from the stone. >> From the stern. That is correct. >> So your lookout never reported the red and green.\n- **[02:16:43]** >> No. >> You saw it yourself. >> I saw it myself. >> So it is correct according to the rules of the road international laws of the sea that you would have read stabbed which means you would have passed on the port side of the other vessel which is the red. >> That's correct. >> That is correct. How far from that vessel were you when you spotted the the red and green the nav lights? >> Just give an average the length of the room. Half of the room.\n- **[02:17:17]** >> No, no. Was further than that for >> it was further than the length of the room. >> Yeah. >> Um if you Mr. If I may go outside of this room, if we were on the street, would you say two poles length, three poles length, half a pole, utility pole? That is just give us a clear picture. Free pole's length. >> Free pole's length. That would have been okay. So we get that picture and free length. When you saw the red\n- **[02:17:51]** and the green, >> yes. >> Did you say anything to your lookout? No, I took action on my own. >> Okay. So, there was no communication between you and the lookout at that time? >> Absolutely not. >> No. And what speed were you traveling at at that time? >> It was anywhere between 3,000 to 5 3,000 to 4,500 RPM cuz I had to be adjusting speed. All depends on the waves that I approach.\n- **[02:18:22]** So it would be safe to say that you were traveling at least 25 to 30 knots. >> Yeah, about that. >> More than that with a 200 horsepower. >> Yes. >> It would have given you an approximate 25 between 25 to 35 knots. >> That would be correct. >> Yeah. Okay. My other question to you is how many passengers were on your vessel at the time? >> It's nine passengers. So myself which is the captain, Tyrone\n- **[02:19:07]** which is the first mate two and seven passengers. Tyrone was the cru seven passengers makes nine. >> Nine. >> Yes. So to the best of your judgment, you had nine passengers. Um just just guide us through minutes before the accident the impact that is. Um you've head to the right which is your stubborn side. >> Yes. >> When you saw the light. >> Yes. >> And then there was an impact. How long after?\n- **[02:19:41]** Estimated time? 1 minute, 20 minutes, 3 hours. M approximate approximately 15 minutes. >> 15 minutes. Yeah. Cuz it would give me 15 minutes to leave from where I took over the hem onto where I got into the accident due to the C condition. >> Sorry. >> Bigger pattern. what I said >> approximately 15 minutes cuz the time from an SME onto where I got into the collision that's the time frame it would take me\n- **[02:20:23]** to get to that spot giving fact in consideration of the sea conditions the sea condition okay were there any any other vessel in the vincinity in the area nearby by Can you hear me? >> Yes, just just my good. >> Okay, I can slow down because I know you're in in some pain. So, >> can you repeat yourself, please? >> Okay. Were there any any other vessel in the immediate area of the accident slightly before or just before or just after the the impact? >> No.\n- **[02:21:09]** to my law knowledge note. >> Um I will allow another commissioner too. I just need to >> No problem. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um, did you report to the lighthouse when you were leaving or your intention that evening? >> Not at all. >> Say again. >> Not at all. >> You did not. >> No, I didn't. Um did you because of the sea condition on that evening the restricted visibility\n- **[02:22:10]** which we all have established um did you think it was necessary to at least call the marine police or the super police as to that you out there with nine passengers and just for clarification sake that you intend to take x amount of time from point A to point B or even a family member >> that you were doing that. Did you take those actions? >> No, I didn't take those action which I should have by rights of maritime laws upon leaving a port where you're supposed to be calling out the lighthouse and I didn't.\n- **[02:22:46]** Okay. So would it be safe to to say that based on the speed that you were traveling and the speed of your vessel that is >> the distance you saw the navigation lights of the approaching vessel. >> Yes. the course of action you took and the impact that there would have been some inconsistency because the distance traveled by the speed of your vessel and the time obviously in navigation terms which you would have done the course um at this time does not seems to be consistent.\n- **[02:23:29]** >> Repeat that please. You gave an approximate distance of where you may have seen by night the um nav lights of the other vessel. The vessel approaching. Yes. The red and the green. >> Yes. >> Which you clearly identify you saw a navigation light coming. >> Yes. the speed at which you are traveling with a 200 horsepower approximately 4,000 if I'm correct to 4,5 >> no 3,500 RPM\n- **[02:24:00]** >> to 4,500 cuz the boat does not get on plane with nine passengers until it's about 3,400 RPM. It doesn't get on plane. >> That is correct. So which means on navigation terms basic navigation terms the the time factor for the distance you travel. >> Yes. >> The speed that you travel and the point of the impact does not does not um calculate to. So you would have been traveling at\n- **[02:24:45]** least 25 to 35 based on your adjustments on speed depend on the wave. >> Yeah, depends on the wave, >> right? >> So three pools length um commissioners or Mr. Chair if you may guide me um on the streets would have been roughly about uh 60 to 75 ft away if I'm correct. 75 ft away. If you divide the 75 ft by the 20 knots, it would not take you 15 minutes to get there. >> But\n- **[02:25:18]** >> based on the speed that you are traveling, >> I said approximately 15 minutes. >> Yeah, approximate. Yeah. >> Which is that I'm not saying that I took exactly 15 minutes. But me being on the water after so long, that's approximately what it would take from Ansma to get to an >> Scot. So I am still on the basis. >> I'm still on the basis. Stay with me. I'm still on the basis of basic navigation. >> I understand. >> Right. So the distance you gave in your\n- **[02:25:47]** own estimation in this room, >> the speed that you were traveling, >> if you were to look at the distance traveled by the speed, >> you divide it by the speed which you would have done at class on and the course. >> Yes. >> The distance you traveled, >> you divide it by the speed that you are traveling. Yes. The time factor would be approximate 5 minutes or less. >> I understand. >> That is correct. >> I understand.\n- **[02:26:19]** >> So which means which means the the time to respond if that vessel was not dead in the water as you would use navigation termos not moving. Yes. Your reaction time to what you saw would have been less than 5 minutes resulting in a collision. Time, speed, distance. Distance divided by speed, time. So the distance you give to to this commission divided by the speed obviously would give you the clear time which would not be 15 minutes Mr. Chairman. It would be rather 5 minutes\n- **[02:27:10]** or less based on the speed that you were traveling. Obviously, it would have been the and you clearly indicated that it was the only vessel in that area, which means the vessel you would have seen was the vessel you collided with. >> Yeah. Well, basically, as I said, that's my time frame approximately how long I realized it took me and at the speed cuz as I said, it's 3,400 would get me on plane with nine passengers on my vessel. And to get there, I look at like it was just that distance for me. That's what I would say.\n- **[02:27:48]** >> Okay. How far off the land, the mass of land were you during that accident? >> Traveling, sorry. Before the accident, how far off shore? >> Between two to 300 ft around there. >> Two to 300 ft from the shore. >> From the shore. >> Shoreline. So the the the other question I I would like to some clarification on. Do you know what side of your vessel came into contact with the other vessel? It would be my my starboard cuz when when I realized\n- **[02:28:44]** when I saw the light the first time, the second time I saw the light was when it was on top of my vessel already. And that was my memory served me right on my starboard side cuz I clearly see my fenders and everything was in that side. >> So you you are saying that the the other vessel would have hit you on your stubborn side. >> Yes. >> But would you be surprised that the to know if I may, Mr. Chair, would you be surprised to know that the impact based on both vessels would indicate that your\n- **[02:29:28]** vessel got hit on the port side? I haven't seen the vessel, so I wouldn't know. But as I said, if my memory served me right from the direction when I saw the light, it could have so it was on my starboard side. So in layman terms for those persons who are trying to figure out the navigation language that we are speaking your vessel got hit on the left side and the other vessel the right side is damaged. So which clearly indicate it was not a head-on collision but rather a crossing. >> It wasn't\n- **[02:30:05]** >> crossing what? I believe it wasn't a head-on collision. I pictured it at four five degree angle across. >> Yes. So you would have navigation terms. You would have a crossing situation resulting in a collision. If you go in across each other, you see my red or green, we violate the laws. So we have a crossing situation. A head-on collision is where the you have >> both bowels together. >> Bow almost together. >> Yeah. Or if you have an overtaking situation where you may hit each other\n- **[02:30:39]** sideways or if you are going a stern which you the the the stern or the back of your vessel where the engine is attached would run into. So these are the four scenarios. >> Yes. >> In maritime accident. So clearly we go back and I want to take you step by step. I can slow down if you wish, but navigation wise, if the law permits you to do any deviation and I can read into that so that\n- **[02:31:15]** we are clear as to what happened the the night and the rules would have indicated that you will take any measure too. You shall not me but you shall take any measure to avoid a collision. But the only exception to those rules is where immediate danger is present which means you will veer which means you should have v to your port side sharply to your port side because of the close proximity. It would not have allow you enough time or sufficient time to ve starboard side under ordinary circumstances. You would have fed\n- **[02:32:00]** sharply to your port side and that vessel would have passed clearly of your starboard side resulting in no accident. >> Yes. >> So the picture >> I said yes. So the course of action, it would be safe to say that the course of action you took based on your judgment resulted in the accident. >> I wouldn't say that because upon me taking that action, I'm not sure if the other driver is looking uh if they're have a good lookout or if they're keeping track of their surroundings. So I that's how I normally\n- **[02:32:46]** ste my boat, right? I don't wait until it gets to a point where it has to go to a collision and someone has to give way. So from especially during the night from time I would see the light from my judgment I would give way and not wait until I get close. >> So did you or did you not have any navigation light on? >> I had prior to the accident everything was accounted for. I said everything was accounted for. >> Vessel was seworthy. Navigation lights were on there. Safety equipments were on there. Life jackets were on there.\n- **[02:33:25]** >> On the vessel or on the individuals on the passengers and >> passengers had no life vessel. >> They had no life jackets. >> No. But you have a responsibility as a boat captain, especially in times of foul weather, restricted visibility. Um, and if you have a lot of vessels in the area, for example, in St. Lucia, what we call a heavy tourist day, yeah, >> a boat rides and all of that, you have a responsibility to ensure that everybody have a life jacket on in the event of a mishap. So it is clear that you did not\n- **[02:34:05]** have a everybody did not have a life jacket on. Is that correct? >> That's correct. In >> fact, you think no one had a life jacket on? >> Yeah, no one had a life jacket on the boat. >> But you had life jackets on board enough? >> Yes, there was 14 life jackets on board. >> Did you have a life jacket on you? >> On me? >> Yes. >> No.\n- **[02:34:30]** >> As the captain? No. >> Did you have any other safety equipment as required by the >> As I mentioned a while ago, everything was accounted for. I had life jackets, VHF radio, first aid kit, everything that you need prior to your inspection was on that vessel on that day. >> Just a quick question. So you you had life jackets on and other safety equipment. >> Yes. >> But you did not do a safety briefing on the vessel or to your best knowledge yes or no there was no safety briefing.\n- **[02:35:17]** >> Yeah. To my best knowledge as I said when on the boat apart from leaving there with Tyrone at the stern there was at the him there was no safety briefing. So as the captain >> upon me taking on there was also no safety briefing. >> So as a captain you had life jackets, you had all safety equipment. >> Yes. >> Is there a reason why there was no safety briefing? >> No, I wouldn't say there's a reason why there was not.\n- **[02:35:46]** >> What was that? >> Is that something you would normally do? >> Big Madden. >> Is that something you would normally do? Do a safety briefing before you leave uh port with with passengers? Yeah, I would say that I don't do it that much. >> I'm not asking you whether it's something you think you should do. I'm asking you whether that's something you would normally do before leaving port with with passengers on >> Yeah. >> Is that something you would normally do?\n- **[02:36:13]** >> Yes. >> But you did not do that that night? >> No. >> Any particular reason? Sorry. Any particular reason why that's something you should have done? You had all of the equipment on board, but you you chose not to do it? Well, I would not say it's because of me not being at the M cuz even as a crew member, I would have to do it. So, no, there is no reason why I would say that. >> Sorry, I can't. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Nicholas. Good afternoon\n- **[02:36:56]** >> and let me thank you for availing yourself to be of assistance to to the commission. Uh I am going to ask you some questions and I need you to understand the questions before you answer. One, at the time of the accident, was your vessel fitted with navigation lights? >> Yes, it was. >> Were these lights operational? Yes. >> And at the time of the accident, were these lights on? >> At the time of the accident? Yes. >> Or during the journey leading up to the accident, were these lights on?\n- **[02:37:40]** >> Yeah. Pardon me. When I took over the lights was on Before ACP, the phrases continues. You heard Miss Bonapart say that the lights were not on. I heard she say, but as I said to you, allow me to speak. Can I go ahead? >> Yes, go ahead. >> So, as I said to you, she said that cuz apart as I I stated earlier upon me get we getting on the boat and leaving Sufra, he was at the him there were no lights. The lights were not turned on apart from we leaving port. So,\n- **[02:38:25]** >> so you're saying when you left port on that night, the lights were not on. >> Navigation light was not on at that time. >> So, at what at what stage did they get? >> I think when I took over to him, I turned on the navigation light switch. >> So, you're saying during the period that the boat was being driven by um is it Tyron Port? Yeah, that's from Port Suare to Ansman. >> During that part of the the journey, the lights were not on. >> No. >> And it is only after you took over from\n- **[02:39:01]** Kyan Paul. Only then you turned the lights on. >> Yeah. >> But you were >> cuz it was not on at all at time cuz after I took this after I took the him, I could have seen it cuz my still light is not on obviously. But you would have been aware before you turned them on. You would have been aware that they were not on >> before I turned them on. If I would have been aware >> that they were not on. >> Yeah. Yeah.\n- **[02:39:27]** >> But you as the the owner of the boat and and you you were aware of the fact that the boat was being driven late at night without the lights on, without navigation lights on >> in that moment. Yes, I was awake. And you didn't bother to do anything about it until you took over control of the board. >> Yes. >> You have testified earlier that the vessel was equipped with life jackets. >> Yes.\n- **[02:40:08]** >> How many life jackets you say? >> 14. in your statement to the police. Before I ask you that on on that night after the collision, how many life jackets were deployed? How many did you use? How many did you issue to to victims to persons involved in the accident out of the 14? How many? >> If my memory serves me right, it was one at that time cuz that's the only person I saw was Roxson shouting for help and saying that she cannot swim and I provided her with that life vest.\n- **[02:41:20]** But there would have been nine persons all all told on the vessel. >> There would have been nine persons all told on the vessel at the time of the accident. >> Yes. How long after the impact did you get that life jacket to Miss Roxan Bunn after? >> How many minutes? >> Um 5 minutes for the most I would say. >> 5 minutes at most. Yeah,\n- **[02:42:02]** >> that's upon me. That's upon me floating back onto the top of the water. Me getting up to the top of the water. >> Good. So, you estimate about 5 minutes you would have gotten a life jacket to Miss Bonapat. >> Yes. >> What became? So, you're now accounting for yourself and Miss Bonapat. That's two. What became of the other seven passengers on that boat? >> Upon that, I was in the water seeing where I could find persons or anything\n- **[02:42:37]** and she was the only one that I saw at that moment and I heard asking for help at that moment. >> Why would you not have seen other persons? I wouldn't know. To your recollection, was there any rescue vessel near the scene prior or before giving Miss Bonapad the life jacket? It's after I given her the life jacket, I made a few calls which I called Marine Police. after issuing another life jacket. Then I phoned\n- **[02:43:26]** um down back in Suare to let them know I was involving an accident and I went back into the water in search of other passengers. I left my phone with the other captain of uh the other vessel. Would it not have been prudent to deploy as many of the life jackets as were available at that time? It was a fight flight mode honestly, you know. So me not seeing anyone else in the water and me cuz the boat actually cut in half. So at that time live vest is not to say the live vest will attach to the boat. live vest who\n- **[02:44:11]** were on the water floating and I was in that water upon she crying out for help. So I took the life vest and hand it over to her. >> Did you say that the life jackets were floating on the water? >> Yeah, cuz the bow section where the life jackets is stored. The boat was cut into half and all that was opened up. So live vest were floating up on the water. >> Okay. But you would have said to the police in your statement. You would have said to the police in your statement that um\n- **[02:44:52]** when you heard Miss Bonapart's call for assistance pardon, >> you would have said to the police in your statement that when you heard Miss Bonapat screaming, >> Yeah. >> she was asking you for a life jacket. She told me she could not swim. >> Yes. >> I went back under the water and retrieved the life jacket from the boat which was over overturned at the time. >> Yes, the boat was overturned. >> Good. But why would you have to go back\n- **[02:45:25]** into the overturned boat for a life jacket if the life jackets were floating on the water? This was this was my statement at that time. You know, honestly speaking, I had some injuries. So, I I don't even know cuz at the time I give this statement, it was also very frustrating and demanding cuz many questions were asked to me times in many different ways after being 4 hours in an investigation. given the fact of my injuries and stuff as I explained to you. >> Are you saying your statement there were\n- **[02:46:08]** incorrect uh statements you made? >> Pardon? >> Are you saying there were incorrect statements contained in that statement which you gave to the police? I'm trying to understand your last >> I would say I may have not still be in the right state of mind when giving the statement >> but >> cuz I did make that >> being now in the right state of mind because you've given your evidence very very clearly given now in the you're in the right state of mind and you saw the\n- **[02:46:35]** witness statement. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I asked you whether there was anything you wish to correct or to add and you said no. But you're now suggesting that there were incorrect statements made there. >> I'm not saying there were incorrect statements being made. What I'm saying is that I may have not been in the right state of mind at that time. So given that >> because you were not in the correct state of mind at the time, are you saying that you said things which may\n- **[02:47:03]** not necessarily have been correct? I'm just trying to understand. >> Yeah. Precisely. Yes. >> But you had the opportunity today to correct that. >> Yes. Precisely. >> And you declined to do so. >> Precisely. Yes. >> Thank you, Mr. Nicholas. >> You're welcome. >> Uh, I want to go back to the safety equipment. Yeah. >> Did you have any flare guns in that list? >> Flare guns?\n- **[02:47:41]** >> A flare gun? >> Yeah. Handheld flare? >> Why didn't you deploy >> thing you did have them? >> Yes, I did have handheld flare. >> Yeah. >> Oh, handheld flare. Okay. >> Why didn't you deploy a flare right after the impact? I had no access to the hand flare cuz all that was stored in the cabin of the vessel. >> Along with the life jackets. >> Yes. >> And a moment ago, you said while you were in the water,\n- **[02:48:15]** you reached out to the marine police. >> Yes. >> That's while you were swimming, accessing the life jackets, and calling the marine police at the same time. >> Yes. Can you just think about what you're saying yes to? You were on the phone in the water diving for the life jackets and also >> not diving for the life jackets. The live I was getting the life jacket from the water. My phone is waterproof. Water resistance I would say.\n- **[02:48:49]** So I phone them. I have the phone in one hands and I'm retrieving the life jacket because at that time that's the only help I could receive. >> So as a captain with a level two license. >> Yeah. >> If you recall your training, what training did you get specific to the deploying of players? Madam, >> do you recall your training as a captain that you received when you got your permit to apply license? >> No, I don't recall. >> Excuse me.\n- **[02:49:32]** >> No, I don't recall. >> You don't recall? Okay. Thank you. Yeah. A a few things. Um, Mr. Nicholas, you said that your your navigation lights, you turned them on when you took over control of the boat from from Tyrant Falls. >> Yes. >> Did you hear Miss Bonapart say that she did not that the lights were not on and that if they were on she would have seen them? >> I didn't. When she said that prior to her statement? Yeah, she said that in her statement and she said it and she\n- **[02:50:12]** said it today. >> Okay. But how? Um, yes, she said that. However, sitting in the boat, you won't be able to see as a passenger the navigation light to the front. >> Do you know that other people also said so that night that your board? >> There were lots of allegations that night. So, I was not bothered with what was being said. So why would everybody be telling lies about you? >> They get padded. >> Why would everybody be lying adversely to you that saying that you didn't have\n- **[02:50:49]** lights on? I mean, what did you do? Anything to anybody that caused them to want to tell lies about you? >> I'm not by the persons that happened. I'm not liked by many and it was all about a pair of friends. >> But Roxan was your friend. Roxan. Roxan came to you as a friend asking you your assistance for to get somebody to take her back and you said, \"No, go with y'all.\" >> It was It was an opinion. She said she didn't see light from the dock. >> No, she didn't say it was an opinion. She said\n- **[02:51:18]** >> that's an opinion for me. >> She said if the lights were on, she would have seen them. And that's >> that's from the dock. She said from the dock. Cuz I listened carefully. You said upon she getting on the boat from the dock. She said if the lights were on, she would have seen them upon getting on the boat from the dock. She said at the time, she's talking now about the time of the collision. She said at the time I could not have seen any lights on the boat. If the lights were on I would have been able to see it. That is at the time that the the\n- **[02:52:49]** collision took place. She was the other thing she was saying then she um she asked you for the life jacket because she could said she couldn't swim. You replied that you were safe. she was safe with you and that she said at that time I could not have seen any lights on the boat. If the lights were on I would have been able to see them. We were traveling fast at the front of the boat was constantly in the air and so on and so on and so on down to the the crash and the and what transpired thereafter. So she's clearly saying that at the time there were no lights on the\n- **[02:53:26]** boat. She said she could not have seen any lights and she says if the lights were on I would have been able to see them. Translated that means there were no lights on the boat. >> No, she said if there were lights on the boat she would have seen them right. >> Yes. >> How would she be able to detect that if my bow light you would have seen my bow light cuz speaking from >> that was a question you should have asked her when you said you were not asking me. It's still an opinion cuz she said at the time.\n- **[02:53:57]** >> Yeah. No, no, no. She said there are two occasions when she saw no lights. One was when the boat left >> coming in. Yeah. >> She said at that time there were no life. Yes. >> And she's also saying at the time of the collision, >> she did not see any lights. And if that there were lights, she would have seen them. >> At the time of the collision, right? Meaning that's when the collision occurred, right? >> No. Well, just before it occurred.\n- **[02:54:23]** >> Just before it occurred. That's what I'm saying. She would still have to be able to detect my bow light, which from where she was sitting, she would not see my bow light. >> My My problem with your answer there, Mr. Nicholas, is that she said these things seated right where you are now. >> Yes. >> I asked you whether there were there was anything you wanted to ask her, anything about what she said that you wanted to to raise a question about, and you said no. But now you are saying that the things she said were not correct or that\n- **[02:54:58]** she said that there were no lies but she could not see whether there were lies or not. The concern is that is precisely why you were given an opportunity to ask any question of her. If she's saying something that you know is not correct and which can affect you or which impacts on what you have said, that is the whole purpose of your having an opportunity to ask her a question. So I'm a little I'm a little confused as to why you you virtually want to ask me the question. Why is it how could she have seen if so and so? That was for her to tell you,\n- **[02:55:34]** not me. I wasn't there. >> Mr. If I may give your indulgence, might I consult with? >> You You wish to do so? Just a minute to do so or you wanted a longer time to do? >> Just one minute. >> Very well. Proceed. There's a very little Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. You wish to continue now? >> Yeah. You wish to you ready to continue? Okay. >> Yes. So you you were going to answer my question in terms of um\n- **[02:58:38]** in terms of she said you saying certain things. Miss Bonapart said things which are different and on a very crucial issue as to whether there were lights on the boat at the time or just before the collision. She said that you had the opportunity to ask her questions about that you did not. And now you are saying well no she she couldn't tell or where she was seated something or the bow something like that that why it is she may have said what she said which you had an opportunity to question her about. now asking you to give some explanation as to this.\n- **[02:59:16]** >> Well, to be honest, I came I honestly came here to be truthful as I go ahead with my oath, right? It's nothing but the truth that I'm saying. I understand whoever would give statements or whatsoever. I'm not saying that what someone might have saw is not true cuz that's what they saw, right? So I'm not going to deny what they saw, but within me myself and what I knew and the necessary actions that I took, I knew that my light was on. I knew I was up to date. So if that's what she said, that's her take on it. I\n- **[03:00:00]** won't defend that. >> But you agree that both of you cannot be right. It's either the lights were on or the lights were not on. That if said the lights were not on and you say the lights were on. I mean somebody has to be speaking an untruth or has to be saying something incorrect. It is not possible for both of you all to be right. As you said from the time you took over the boat you turned on the lights. She said that up to you know she's leading up to when the accident happened. She said I saw no lights and if there were lights I would have seen\n- **[03:00:33]** them. So both of you cannot be right. Now I'm if I I'm not asking you to to let's put it that way to incriminate yourself. And if you have any reason why you you do not you believe that answer can can incriminate you and I'm sure your lawyer would explain if you require then you are not let me then you are not you can be free to say well you do not wish to answer any particular question because the answer to which may be uh prejuditial to you. I'm saying you have that right, but as long as you don't exercise that right. You are saying one thing, Miss Bonapart is saying something\n- **[03:01:14]** else. You had the opportunity to ask her questions about what she said, which you're now saying are incorrect. You you chose not to do so. And I'm just asking you to explain explain that to the commission. >> As I said, I'm being truthful with you. right to Mr. Chairman, my lights were on at that time. At the time she said she didn't see the light, then okay, that's what she didn't see at that time. But within me, my lights were on and that's what I would stick with. >> Um, did you did you consume any substance\n- **[03:01:53]** apart from maybe water and juice before that trip? into your question but you let me do it. >> I don't consume. >> You can disengage your mic anytime you're talking to your lawyer. I don't want to hear what's conversations. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> No, I didn't. >> You didn't have anything to drink. >> I had a coffee and a water. That's it. Didn't you have two cocktails at least >> before I get here? >> No, no, no. Sorry, sorry. I'm talking\n- **[03:02:35]** about the before you the trip on the boat. >> Oh, I'm not hearing you clearly, so that's what I was saying. >> Yeah. No, no, no. I'm asking you prior to taking over the boat, prior to driving the boat on that night, did you have did you consume any >> I was at dinner and I had two cocktails at dinner. just for my um non-rinker benefit. I don't What? When you say two cocktails, what do you mean? I I don't have any. So I\n- **[03:03:07]** >> It was kind of a Shandi like stuff, you know. >> I see. >> Yeah. >> Nothing that should cause you not to know whether your lights are on or not. >> No, no, not at all. I'm not a heavy drinker. It was only reason why I had two cocktail. I was there with some repeated clients at dinner. I had one cocktail prior to be having my dinner and one after, but that's it. Sorry. Still um\n- **[03:03:44]** you were in answer to a question from I believe the question came from Mr. Frederick that um you said you were I'm not I'm not sure whether it's Mr. Frederick or Mr. Leas but you said you were aware that you should have been in touch with the lighthouse in terms of that you were leaving that where you were going and so on that you were required to be in touch with the lighthouse on that >> truthfully Mr. the chairman. Yes, cuz that's required. I won't deny that.\n- **[03:04:19]** >> And you agree that you did not do so on that night. >> I didn't do so on that night. >> Do do you do so at all? As a matter of course, >> Bon, >> do you do so normally? That is when you're making your several trips, your several boat taxi trips, do you contact um the lighthouse? >> Yeah, when I suare it's I rarely do it suare, but upon leaving portries, that's where I do it most of the times. But in Sufra it's barely do it and which I know I supposed to but\n- **[03:04:54]** barely do it in Sufra. So you're saying it's something you do when you are leaving Sufra. Something that you would normally do when you are leaving Sufare to go to another port in >> you're saying it is something you would normally do when you are leaving Sufra to go to another port. you know when I'm leaving podcasters speaking of any passengers from the cruise ships and stuff that's something I would normally do >> okay but >> but apart from leaving Suare no I don't\n- **[03:05:25]** >> a normal trip like that a trip like that where you were leaving Suare to go >> to go to casters whether it's Marobi wherever I I don't do it >> and that's my truth I won't lie about it I don't do it >> and but you know you are required to do it >> yes I am >> has anyone questioned you about, you know, that you're you're not contacting the lighthouse. Has have you ever had to answer questions in relation to that, whether from the marine police, from the\n- **[03:05:55]** maritime unit, the uh maritime division at Port Authority? Any you have ever been questioned about that? And you're you're using you're making contact or not making contact with the lighthouse? >> No. Why did you just by the way why did you have 14 um life jackets? Isn't the maximum capacity of your boat 12? >> I always keep extra. >> You always keep extras. >> Yeah. >> So you have your full compliment plus extra but you use none. >> Make a pattern. You had your full\n- **[03:06:36]** compliment plus extra, but you use none. >> No, I use none. >> Okay. If you had no if the the Kazola GR had no lights, if if it did not have navigation lights on, would you have been able to see it >> during the night? >> Yes. >> Yes, I would still been able to see. >> You would still have been able to see it in the dark of night. It had no light, no communication lights on. Yes. >> Still been able to see it. >> Bigger.\n- **[03:07:22]** >> You would have still been able to see it? >> Yes, I would. >> Okay. So, you're not assisted or by the the presence of navigation lights in terms of being able to see an oncoming vessel with or without navigation lights on that oncoming vessel, you would see you would see it heading in your direction. >> Yes. And would you would you say that you would see it a sufficient distance away to allow you to ve away from it? >> Make a pattern.\n- **[03:07:53]** >> Would you say that you would have seen it a sufficient distance away between where you were and when you saw it? You'd have seen it a sufficient distance away to have enabled you to avoid a collision with it. >> Yes. >> But you were not a you did not do so that night. You were not able that night to avoid a collision even though you said you saw the the light. >> Yeah, I saw the light and I gave way which I was supposed to cuz remember I said earlier on I don't wait till it's going to happen from a distance. Same\n- **[03:08:27]** way it would be if I like when I see a fishing boat there without any lights, I would give way long before I even get close to it. The minute I see it, I'll give way already. Are you are you saying are you maintaining that you were not driving at an excessive speed that that night? >> No, I was not driving at excessive speed. The boat was not going up and down and and in the water as was said by at least one of the witness. >> When you mean up and down means any vessel you're driving underwater in\n- **[03:09:14]** these small vessels you and you will find it going I would not say up and down but when it rides the waves and goes down that's normal in the water that's normal. Did you Why did you take over control of the boat from Tyrant? >> Cuz I'm bear the captain license and I'm the one who always runs my boat during the night. I don't feel comfortable if anyone else if not my brothers taking over my him to re go that distance. >> But is that the reason you gave for for taking over the boys?\n- **[03:09:56]** >> Pardon? Was that the reason you gave for your taking over the boat that night? >> I don't recall. >> Do you recall saying that Tyson Tyran? Sorry. Tyran did not You said that Tyran did not know how to push the boat. Remember saying that? >> Said that to whom? to Tyron uh that you did not you you don't know how to push the boat. >> No, I don't remember. >> You didn't say that?\n- **[03:10:35]** >> No, I didn't. I don't remember. >> Would you say that when Tyrone was driving the boat, he was at a moderate speed? >> Same speed as me. Okay. >> Which is moderate or not? Nobody said that. >> Yes. I I asked you whether Taran was driving at a moderate speed. You said same speed as you. >> Yeah. >> Does that mean it was a moderate speed or for me >> not a moderate speed? >> Pardon? Does that mean it was a moderate\n- **[03:11:25]** speed or it was not a moderate? >> It's a moderate speed with nine passengers on that vessel. It's moderate speed. >> Did Roxan ask you to slow down? >> No. No one asked me to. >> No one asked you to slow down. Yeah. Um I have two small excerpts I want to read to you very short which you would be familiar with and I have three questions I would ask after having\n- **[03:12:25]** you been a boat captain or you have obtained a legal boat captain Captain license. >> Yes. >> The law require that the lights, navigational lights on a vessel be displayed from sunset to sunrise. Not a particular time, but as soon as the sun begin to disappear and until it surface the following day or whatever time after. So that is one. Second to that I want to take you to\n- **[03:13:06]** lookout which indicates that every vessel must obtain a constant lookout by sound by sight and by hearing at all and all other available means to evaluate the solution the situation and the risk of a collision that is a requirement of law. And thirdly, safe speed. Every vessel shall shall, which means there's no exception to it, always travel at a safe speed so that it can take a proper action to stop to avoid a collision or to ver to avoid a collision. So the question I now put to you is one You indicated to\n- **[03:14:04]** the chair that your your judgment was not impaired at the night. At the time you ate because I would have asked you whether or not you ate or you drunk anything that would have impaired your judgment and you said no. >> Yes. >> Okay. So the question the second question is that you insist that it was dark and your lights were on and Miss Roxan could not have seen your lights or did not. So I am saying to you in restricted a bit restricted visibility if it is very dark\n- **[03:14:46]** based on what you would have learned and the navigation rules except if it was raining excessively you would still see the reflection of the red and green over the surface of the water. You cannot avoid that. >> You would see it. >> So Mr. Roxson would have been in a position to say that she saw reflection red or green based on where she was sitting. And thirdly, that the this commission could always indicate. You indicated sorry that the the the lighthouse you occasionally do do call the lighthouse calls but also\n- **[03:15:37]** this commission can indicate from the log which is kept at the lighthouse whether or not you have ever made a call in terms of your transit. Yes, remember I said I do make calls upon me leaving podcast trees but I rarely do calls upon leaving port surfer. So you could also verify with the port house with um the lighthouse as to whether that vessel or me particularly make calls to them a port upon leaving portries or at any port at any time. >> Right. So let us go through the lighthouse for the the configuration of\n- **[03:16:14]** your vessel. Where on your vessel are your nav lights located? Were they located where? >> To the to the very edge of the bow. >> To the edge of the bow. >> Yeah. So it's round. So it's mounted right kind of in the midsection to the edge >> to the midsection. So my barrel is typically like that. So the nav light is mounted right at the edge there >> on the two sides of it. >> Yeah. Right at the edge. It's typically like that. Right at the edge. >> Okay. And that part of the boat is what\n- **[03:16:46]** went missing? >> Yes. >> Okay. So I am still I am still in the same vein asking or saying to you that the passengers on the vessel >> Yes. >> during that trip they would have seen if there were any lights based on the dark of the night and the reflection of the water they would have seen. Any response to Mr. Frederick? I'm >> not. >> Yes. Any response m Mr. Frederick is\n- **[03:17:24]** asking you whether based on all of what you said that day a passenger on the the the boat would have seen if there were navigation lights on. >> Well, if you know about the water, yes, you would. >> No. >> But if you're unfamiliar, >> no. I I am still saying to you, >> yeah, >> the darker the night, the brighter the lights. In fact, navigational rules would dictate that those lights are visible up to 3 miles, three nautical miles.\n- **[03:18:01]** So, somebody being 3 mi away from you would have seen your navigation lights. >> 3 miles away from me, facing my bow. >> Your bow. >> Exactly. So if you at um just put it off hes abai and the person is atosha >> you would be able to see >> you would be able to see it give an approximate distance right >> so I am yet to understand how you were 200 ft away from a vessel >> not away from the vessel I said I'm two to 300 ft away from the shorine >> from the shore from the shoreline\n- **[03:18:42]** So you had never given a distance. You were away from the vessel when you saw the time that you saw the light. I thought you did that. >> You said >> No, I >> you said free pose length. >> Yeah, just free pose length >> which is approximate to the same >> 300 ft. >> Okay, we take 300 ft because by night the judgment might be slightly different. Okay. So I am still saying to you that time, speed, distance, these are the navigation fac navigation\n- **[03:19:11]** factors to determine what happened. So the 300 ft if you divide it by the 25 knots you were traveling, it would give you approximate 5 minutes or less to react. And the last question I wanted to ask you out of that, what prompted you to put on your lights just ahead of the impact? Was there any reason that you felt you need to put your lights on ahead of the impact? As I said earlier on, when I got to the hymn, my stone light wasn't on. So automatically, I know that my live my\n- **[03:19:55]** nav lights was on. So that's the reason why I turned it on. >> Your love lights was >> upon me taking this him my stern light cuz I I'm to the back right. I'm able to see my stern light. So I realized it was not on. So here's the reason why I turned the switch on. >> How long before the impact? I'm trying to get this. >> No, no. I I said earlier on when I took the hem from Tyrone, I turned on my light. >> It's not directly before the impact. I turn me\n- **[03:20:24]** >> how long? Give me an approximate time. >> Like I said earlier on, as I said, the same distance I'll take from answer me to one's question would be in 15 minutes. So yeah, about 15 minutes there. >> No, but we have established that based on the speed you gave to this commission that the mass is inaccurate. >> Yeah, I totally understand. I totally understand. And there are other factors which I believe commissioner DD would have asked you in a minute to indicate that it it's just not adding up sir. So what we're trying to do is to establish\n- **[03:20:57]** a straight line. So from leaving the port you admitted leaving portra which is a port of call >> that your lights were off. You admitted. >> Yes. You admitted taking over from the other person. >> Yes. >> Right. You admitted that the sea was choppy. >> Yes. >> You also admitted that the visibility was you were was poor. >> Moderate.\n- **[03:21:35]** We we understand that. But we are putting a picture together where the time, the distance traveled and the speed is not adding up. And you are a boat captain. And I think it would be clear the language that we speak. And to the layman on the on out there, they can simply divide the the time you travel, the speed you travel by the distance you travel, and the time. And if I must put it closer to you, the distance from Supre to the point of the accident by the speed that you were traveling still give another picture which we have\n- **[03:22:19]** not even delve in which means you would have taken no time from Sufre to the point of the accident. We can calculate that it is very easy from the time you departed Sufre to the time of the accident. It would not have taken it would not take much time >> like 5 minutes 10 minutes >> pardon >> like you maybe I should ask >> I to Mr. Kenji I totally understand >> just a minute in terms of clarifying from him whether you say it would take 5 minutes or 10 minutes. >> Yes. So what I need you to give us on um\n- **[03:22:54]** may I counel? >> Yeah yeah yeah. >> Thank you. What I need you to give us a clear indication how long you think you took from Sufre Port Sufre where you left your final departure from Port Sufre to the point in which the impact give us a clear indication of how much time you took from that call it point A to point B. with C condition 20 minutes that's what I'll say that's my recollection of it >> so then again\n- **[03:23:35]** >> I understand that when you calculate speed and I totally understand but that's just my recollection of a time frame >> so before commissioner did they come I I'm just taking you back to the roles of a captain again >> in your estimation how far is so far from a scos just the distance rough distance >> all depends on your speed >> no the distance from it is not moving suan as no they're not moving there's two >> the distance\n- **[03:24:04]** >> two two points of land that remain forever distance from su again >> I don't know the distance from su >> no an approximate distance just >> I don't know >> you say 5 miles 10 miles >> I don't know >> you didn't know then No, I'm saying in fairness to you. You saying I don't know. I don't. >> Okay. So, if we calculate the distance from Sufre to Aosa, the point of the accident, and you took\n- **[03:24:32]** it say 15 minutes, council >> 20 >> 20 minutes. >> Yeah. >> So, 20 minutes. If you divide the distance from Suare to Aos at 20 minutes, which means you were making much more. is simple maths which means you were pushing that vessel above the 4,000 RPMs. It's simple to calculate. It would have been way above the speed that you're indicating to take that that amount of time. >> No.\n- **[03:25:08]** To me, no. I'm not denying the fact that whatever you said I do understand but to me no. >> Yes. I just have a few questions regarding your certificate of inspection. >> Yes. On your certificate of inspection, there's one listed for minimum crew, and that's Graham Matthew. >> Yes. >> I take it the night in question, Graham Matthew was not on the vessel.\n- **[03:25:49]** >> No. >> But are you aware underneath that name on your certificate, it says, \"The manning of this vessel shall not change regardless of the passengers on board.\" >> No, I'm not aware. You know what that means? >> No. >> Again, you are familiar with your certificate of inspection from Slasper. >> Yes. >> On the certificate, it has listed minimum certified crew and it names that person as Graham Matthew.\n- **[03:26:28]** >> Yeah. And you're confirming that the night in question, Graham Matthew, was not on the vessel? >> No, he wasn't. >> So, as a certified level two captain, you are aware that Tyrone should not have been driving your vessel. And this was one of the reasons why as I explained to chairman early on I took over when he asked me of the two reasons. >> But you are the captain of the vessel.\n- **[03:27:05]** You are in charge. >> I understand >> you are aware of that. >> I am aware. But doesn't that mean like Okay. Yes, I am aware. No. So would you say the night in question you displayed poor judgment in allowing Tyrone to be at the end of the vessel up until an SM a customary. Um, that's what we all do. So, I didn't I was not aware that I breached any law pertaining to that. >> I don't think you're speaking on behalf\n- **[03:28:05]** of you all. You're speaking as >> behalf of myself. >> Yeah. So you you're confirming that it was poor judgment, but it's something you do often. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's his signature. doesn't signature. >> Your certificate of inspection bears a signature as of the 23rd of January 2026. I must ask you, is that your signature? >> Signature of inspection? >> Yeah.\n- **[03:28:55]** >> No, I don't have it. >> I'm not sure. I don't >> Yeah. Would it help if you saw the the certificate in terms of >> Yeah, I would be able to if I saw the certificate was not Okay. No, it's not my signature. So, you're confirming that the signature on this certificate of inspection signed the 23rd of the 1st of 2026 is not yours.\n- **[03:30:31]** >> That's correct. >> Thank you. That's all. Were you were you ever spoken to by anyone from the maritime division of the St. Louis St. Lucia NC ports authority? Did anyone speak to you about the the accident? >> No sir. No chairman. Uh, has anyone from the maritime division of the port authority spoken to you at any time about your use of the vehicle and what you had on it and what you didn't have on it and what you should have had on it? >> No chairman.\n- **[03:31:12]** >> So, there would not normally be any interaction between you and anyone from the from the port authority apart from when you actually renewing your license. I would not say that when sometimes if they're based in Su and they doing a check and stuff they will check on the vessel. >> So there have been checks done by Slasper personnel um during the course of let's say the last year the last two years. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And and just to be clear I'm talking about Slasper and not the marine unit of\n- **[03:31:47]** police force. >> Yes. SLAS. >> Okay. >> It's uh ATN and Joseph. >> I beg your pardon. It's Mr. Aten and Joseph who normally runs the checks. >> And about how often would these checks be done? >> I would say the presence in Sufra has been very huge as of this year honestly. So four times a week they would be >> four times a week they would actually check your boat.\n- **[03:32:15]** >> Not my boat. Not my boat. But >> but no, but how often would they check your boat? whenever they in suen they have a chance to cuz it's not a matter of they just coming directly to me they would be on the docks on whichever vessel dog they make sure that that vessel is in >> well that vessel is se I should say >> and is that periodic or is that just spasmodic that okay every 2 months every 3 months they would do that or is it just okay we do that today but we don't necessarily do it next month or the month After I'm just trying to ascertain\n- **[03:32:52]** whether it is those inspections are periodic or spasmodic meaning every definitive period of 2 months or 3 months or 4 months or it just happens when they there and they feel like inspecting it whether it was whether the last inspection was 1 month ago or one year ago that they're doing it at that time without any you know pattern of every two months every 3 months. I'm just trying to understand from you what interaction do you have with the maritime division of the ports the St. Lucia NC ports authority it's frequency in relation to your boat.\n- **[03:33:31]** >> Well my boat inspection I only go one every year. >> Yes. >> So upon I renew it to upon a month or two before it expires just apply for renewal. Yeah. >> Yeah. But I'm just trying to You're not really answering me in terms of you said there there are inspections done by Slasper sometimes on your boat. Is that what you're saying or is that not what you're saying? I just need to be clear on that. >> You asked me do right earlier on you asked me do Slasper have any personnel\n- **[03:34:10]** or do I have any in >> No, not whether they have any personnel. I'm asking you whether there are periodic checks or or now and then every week, every month or or no particular time, but sometimes Slasper, the maritime division of Slasper does inspections on your boat. This is not anything accusing you of anything, you know. >> No, I'm not saying you're accusing. I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from, right? Cuz they do an inspection on my vessel once every year, right? So that is it that inspections\n- **[03:34:43]** are done once every year not that dur between that year that every month or every other month for every 3 months that inspections are done. >> I wouldn't know that. >> Sorry, let me finish. Are you saying that these inspections are only done once a year or otherwise? I know they do it once on my vessel in order upon my vessel being renewal date to expiring date within that year period. I would not know if they visit my vessel as to which months or how many times per month cuz there's many vessel and I'm not always out on the vessels.\n- **[03:35:22]** So I wouldn't know that. What about the marine unit of the police force? Does the are there inspections done by the marine units? >> They all do to be honest with you, but bringing back to what I said earlier on, I would not know how often they do it with my vessels, but they both play the part. >> Very well. >> The same question from Justice Michelle. How often have you encountered Slasper or the marine police while on the waters?\n- **[03:36:08]** >> Rarely? >> Really? >> When you say rarely, once every year, once every 3 years. >> It would be. >> Yeah. Once every year. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Nicholas. Um, who is registered? Who is the certified crew member registered to your vessel? Ocean Angel 3. >> Graham Matthew. >> Yes.\n- **[03:36:45]** >> All right. Are you also aware that Graham Matthew is also registered as the boat master for Kazula Jr.? >> I was aware of that last minute. >> You were aware of that last minute. >> Last minute you said last minute last minute. >> Sorry, I didn't. >> Last minute. Last moment. >> Last minute. Okay. >> Last moment to be exact. Last moment. So if if Graham Matthew is registered as crew on your vessel, >> Yeah.\n- **[03:37:24]** >> and registered as the boat master on Kazula Jr. >> Yes. >> If we follow the letter of the law to a T, these two vessels should not be operating together. I don't know about that, but I do understand. But if if he is the boat master on one vessel and is also supposed to be the crew of another vessel, a crew member of another vessel, that must not change according to the law that the persons registered to that vessel are the ones to manage at all\n- **[03:38:04]** times. Am I not correct? >> You're correct. >> Good. So if he is registered as a boat master to Kazula Jr. and registered as crew to Ocean Angel 3. I will ask you again. It means therefore that these two vessels ought not to be operating together. As it's pertaining to the law, I do understand which I was not aware of. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> Um Mr. Nicholas, what pre-eparture safety checks do you normally conduct prior to departure?\n- **[03:38:48]** >> Well, prior to departure as to any port >> as to any port generally. >> Well, normally just make sure life live vest and all safety equipments are in check. That's what I normally do. And did you do that on the night of the 18th of July? >> As I said earlier on, no. >> No, I didn't. >> Oh. >> And where was Tyrone positioned as your lookout? >> To the bow. >> To the back.\n- **[03:39:27]** >> The bow which is the front of the boat. And did he report anything to you during the course of his lookout? >> No, he didn't. >> Prior to departure, did you read the weather advisory given by the Met Office? >> I didn't. >> Were you aware of any small craft advisory reports prior to the departure? >> No. And could you describe what the weather conditions were earlier on during the day prior to departure? Was it raining? Was it sunny?\n- **[03:40:07]** >> When you mean during the day, are you taking it back um to the morning, the afternoon, or >> during the course of the day? What was the weather like in leading into the night? >> Well, during the course of the day, it was all sunny. During the night, it started pouring a bit. During the night it started to pour. >> Yeah. >> And you said in your witness statement that you didn't feel or hear the impact. You just remember being in the water. Prior to\n- **[03:40:49]** that point, what is your last clear memory? >> Trying to recall. I get ped. >> I can't recall. >> Okay, that's all my questions. Would you act differently if the passengers on your boat are tourists as opposed to if they Don't do that. Don't do that, please. It's not Don't do that. Um, yes. Would you would your actions be different if there were nine tourists on\n- **[03:41:41]** board your your boat? Would you more likely have provided them with live vests or alert them to the fact that they're live vests available and so on? Do you do you follow certain protocols with your let's just say tourists as opposed to what you would do if you're your folks from Sufare? And I'm not asking you any question to embarrass you, to toriminate you. Just a straight question. >> Yeah, >> you're fine. >> Well, as far as I know, uh,\n- **[03:42:30]** pertaining well to me, not the law, right? Pertaining to what I did and my actions, not I'm speaking not the law. I would have been acting the same if they were clients on my vessel. >> No, not clients. If there were >> tourists, yeah, I mean, >> if there were tourists, nine tourists on board your passengers on board your vehicle, are you more likely to have gone through with them the safety routines and tell them that there are life jackets and and available and if they wish to have a life jacket, one would be provided. Would you more likely\n- **[03:43:05]** do that with with with tourists rather than with as I say your people from suare? >> Not at all times. No, >> not at all times. But you would do it sometimes. I just just trying to understand the culture that okay I operate a water taxi service. I have you know nine tourists on board the vehicle. Okay. On board the vessel. You are to do this. You are to do that. their life jackets on their seat and so on and so on, but that you would react differently if it were, you know, just regular regular folks like you. Um, that there\n- **[03:43:42]** might be a different way in which you might act. Just a >> a straightforward question. >> No, I wouldn't. So you would act you would have your nine tourists on board your your vessel and you would not give them you would not go over with them the various safety routines and safety devices and and let them know that there are life jackets which they which they can use or should use during the voyage. You are not likely to do that. >> Not at all times. I'll have to content myself with that\n- **[03:44:17]** answer because when I ask you whether you're likely to do something, you you qualify you're likely or not likely. But that's the answer you wish to give and and I don't know that I have a choice. But >> yeah, I'm just being honest with you cuz >> yes, I I want you if there is certain times I do it and certain times I'm not, I would not say to you that I don't. Whereas if there are certain times that I do it, you know, >> so I just understand the culture. >> Yeah. Yeah. If there are are tourists on board that you would ensure that you\n- **[03:44:48]** explain this and that to them, but if it is local people that you would not necessarily do those same things. Just trying to understand not not implicate you in any way. >> Yes. I said sometimes >> I will have to live with that answer. Any other questions? Yeah. >> Yes sir. I'm just drawing something to your attention because of your level of competency because it is clear that you are captain a boat captain. you have a license at Slasper and based on the discussion\n- **[03:45:32]** earlier with um Commissioner Defrightes, I would like to bring to your attention of the responsibility of a captain. as you would have learned by reason of law that these laws apply to all vessels on the high sea and all waters connected therein which are navigable which means which a vessel can navigate through. >> Yes. And in conclusion to that, it says that your responsibility and I want to take my time slowly to explain to us for our understanding\n- **[03:46:17]** as rule number two says and I quote, \"Nothing in these rules shall exonerate any vessel or the owner, the master or the crew from the consequ quences of any neglect to comply with the rules of the road which are the international navigation rules which applies under our shipping act. The neglect of any precautionary measure which may have been taken by the ordinary practice of seammanship to avoid a collision. And in those circumstances, in complying or constring with those\n- **[03:47:04]** rules, due regard shall be taken to all dangers of navigation or collision and any special circumstances, including the limitation of the vessels involved to make a proper departure from those rules to avoid a collision. So I am bringing it to our understanding one the information you would agree with me that the information that you have supplied to the relevant authority on that which is Slasper that the person who is your crew as Mr. Defus would have\n- **[03:47:48]** indicated to you is also a boat captain and the boat in itself Kazola was out without the registered captain. Is that correct? So you're correct. Right. In addition to that, based on what you have explained to us that your crew, your your your registered crew personnel was not the person on board and somebody you so choose to without informing the relevant authority except if I'm taken if I'm not taken by error that that individual was sick at the time. Was he sick at the time? Mr. Was The gentleman,\n- **[03:48:41]** >> Mr. Matthew. >> Mr. Matthew is was Mr. Matthew sick at the time or >> I'm not sure, >> but he was by reason of law he should have been on your vessel. >> As I said, I totally agree with you. I'm not doubting that. It was not to my knowledge that I knew. So, sir, >> I I still I still beg to differ. You are a board captain. >> I understand what you said. I understand. Your certificate clearly indicates >> indicated that\n- **[03:49:08]** >> that so and to the best of our knowledge in the maritime domain every boat owner would have signed certain documents indicating that Slasper had inspected their vessel and do the entire works in order to get a certificate. So I am saying to you that you are aware of who your captain should have not your captain but your crew registered crew member should have been. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> Thank you. Uh I want to go back to your I want to go back to your years of\n- **[03:49:52]** flying for higher. >> How long have you been in the business of water taxi water transfers? Um, 6 years. >> 6 years. So, >> just by the way, did you say 10 years earlier? >> Yeah, I've been driving before that. You asked how long I was a boat captain. So, I've been staring boats way before that. >> So, you've been in the business close to 10 years, but 6 years as a captain. >> Yeah.\n- **[03:50:33]** That's correct. >> So, is it customary for you to provide nighttime services during festivities such as carnival and jazz? >> Well, that's how I do my living. So, it's my occupation. Yes. >> So, the response is yes. >> Yeah, I do it. Yes. So during the carnival season for example, how many activities would you transfer persons to on an average >> between how many activities? Uh so there's sometimes there's four activities taking place. So within these\n- **[03:51:22]** four activities are transfer persons back and forth. So you would transport them to and from? >> Yes. >> And these are the hours between sun set and after midnight. >> Yeah, it goes somewhere later than that. >> And is it also customary for you to be on the waters into early morning? >> Yeah. >> So what? Give me an average in terms of timeline. If you transported a a group of persons to an event, let's say at 8:00,\n- **[03:52:05]** what is the latest time that you have picked them up and brought them back to Sufra? >> 2:30 in the morning. >> Yeah. And during that time, have you ever been stopped, approached by Slasper or the Marine Police? >> Not that I recall. >> What's that? >> Not that I can recall of. And as a captain, do you think these hours are okay for you to be on the waters\n- **[03:52:48]** transferring persons at that time of the morning? Well, as long as I'm consider my boots sea worthy, I would say for me it would be okay cuz that's sometimes during the day I don't do anything and if that's the only tour that I have during the night, I mean that's how I survive. So for me, yeah. >> And my final question, what do you do while you are waiting to transfer these persons back to Sufra? >> I sleep on the boat, try and get some rest.\n- **[03:53:21]** >> You try to get some rest. So, it's normal for you to feel fatigue during that these festive seasons. >> Well, try and get enough rest cuz you know you're there, they're out 6 7 hours. So, you don't want to be up all that time and then to take them back home, you're not able to, you know, you're not fit enough to I should say. So, with me gaining four to 5 hours of rest upon in day returning back, I would be okay to take them across with them. So you you wait on the vessel and you sleep there. >> Yeah.\n- **[03:53:53]** >> Okay. Thank you. Yes. Before I I release you so to speak, Mr. Hippolit, are there any questions you wish to ask of Mr. Nicholas? No. Okay, Mr. Nicholas, uh, thank you for for your evidence. It was very detailed. Um, um, there is always the possibility that you may be recalled if something arises that the commission wishes to hear you further on, but at this time you are discharged. Um, and you are free to\n- **[03:55:04]** remain for the afternoon proceedings. We will take lunch now. You are free to remain for the afternoon proceedings or to leave at your pleasure. >> One minute. Just >> can I have a word with my council? >> Sure. Go right ahead. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chair, how much time do you wish to >> Just a minute there. Sorry. M Mr. Nicholas, was there something you wish to say? >> No, that's it. Mr. Chan. >> Yeah.\n- **[03:56:30]** >> How much time do you wish do you propose for lunch? >> Um, >> so I can make appropriate arrangements. >> 45 minutes. Good enough. 30 minutes. 45 minutes. 1 hour, >> half an hour. >> And she said 30, 30, 45 or 60. Okay, we will take the lunch and recess now and we'll resume at 3:00 subject to I think you would wish to say something to um the witnesses or >> Yeah. So, I would like to engage the witnesses privately. So, I'll have a discussion with them because I'm mindful\n- **[03:57:30]** of the time. So we will engage but the commissioners are free to to um make their departure and I will engage the witnesses privately >> and make certain arrangements in respect of the witnesses. >> Correct. >> Thank you. 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At this time, I would like to call Mr. Elias Nicholas to the stand and to be sworn in. You can just come here and just repeat after me. >> I Elias Nicholas >> do solemnly so >> do solemnly swear >> to tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth >> and nothing but the truth. So help me God. >> So help me God. >> You okay? You can bring it forward a little bit more. You comfortable? Yeah. address and occupation. I'm Elias Nicholas. I'm from Suare. Bridge Street. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm from Bridge Street. >> Bridge Street. >> Yeah. >> Your occupation? >> I'm a fisherman. Did you ever give a statement to the police in relation to this matter? >> No sir. >> Any reason why you didn't give a statement? >> But I didn't see the officer to come and check me. >> No officer ever came to check you for a statement? >> No. You remember Saturday 18th July 2026? And on the night of Saturday 18th July 2026, did you go somewhere? >> Pardon, sir. >> On the night of 18th July 2026, did you go somewhere on a boat? >> Yes, sir. And >> could you tell us where and when you boarded that boat? I bought it on the um on board on the jetty in Suare. And about what time was that? >> Around after 10. So I on sometime after 1000 p.m. on Saturday 18th July 2026 I boarded a boat. What was the name of the boat? >> Ocean free. And where where was the boat headed to when you boarded it? Do you know who were the persons on board Ocean 3 at the time that you boarded it? >> Yes, sister. >> And and who were those persons? >> They were Tyron. Sorry. Tyrone, >> myself. >> Yes. >> Um, Roxson, Debbie, >> and I do the girl from school. I don't know the name. I don't know the name. >> You said a girl from Shiselle. >> Yeah. >> Uhhuh. >> And that Bradley. >> Sorry. What was that last name you mentioned? >> Bradley. >> Bradley. B R A D L E Y. >> Bradley. Yes, >> they are Na'vi. And no one that died even forget his name. >> Mali. Mali. Mali. >> Mali. >> Yeah. >> What about Tyran? >> Yeah, that's the first name. >> Oh, you mentioned Tyran. Yes. So it was Tyron, Roxan, Debbie, >> Bradley, Marvi, Marley, a girl from Shazelle whose name you do not know. >> Yes. >> And you and who else? >> Um, the captain Are you related to Dylan? >> Yes, sir. >> You all carry the same surname. Nicholas. >> Yeah. >> What? What are you to him? >> His fifth cousin. Now, can you tell us what happened after you boarded the boat sometime after 1000 p.m. on Saturday, 18th July, 2026? >> Well, when you left the PL that night, T was um captaining the boat. >> I I'll need you to speak just a little slower. >> All right. >> So, when you boarded the boat? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And when you left um when you left the pier, Tyran was the captain. >> Yeah. >> Yes. So Tyran was the captain at the time he boarded. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And after a while Dan arm decided to ask him to come captain the boat. So Dan took over. >> So Tyran was captain and the boat traveled some distance. >> Yeah. >> Before Dan took over. >> Yes. >> So you're saying when you boarded the boat, Tyran was the captain? >> Yeah. at the time after he had driven the boat. Do you know about how long he was in control of the boat before >> before Dylan took over? No. >> So after he had driven the boat for some time or for some distance. >> Yeah. For some distance. >> You say Dylan took over the control of the boat. Uh, did Dylan say anything before taking control of the boat? >> Oh, okay. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. He tell him, \"Captain, let me show you how to cap.\" >> He said, \"What? Sorry. Let me captain, I will show you how to cap.\" Show how to show >> captain. How to stand boot? How to cap? >> Show how to what? Cap. >> Cap. Yeah. >> Ah, okay. And what did you understand Dylan to mean by let me show you how to cap? >> What do you understood Dylan to mean when he told Tyran, \"Let me show you how to cap.\" Like how I see it like he showed him like he better than him. Was there a difference in the way the boat was being driven when it was being driven by Tyron and when it was being driven? driven by Dylan. Was there a difference? >> Yes, sir. >> And what was the difference? >> Well, like Ty was taking it more easy on the boot, but Jill was going more faster. >> Okay. Heat. Heat. Where were you seated on the boat? at the B at the front on the left side. Did you notice any lights on the boat? >> No. I noticed any light on the board, mister. You're a fisherman. You're familiar with with going out at sea in watercraft. What if there were lights on the boat? Would you have seen them? >> Yes, sir. So Dylan was driving fast. There were no lights on the boat. What was the next thing that happened? We >> go for a good while. >> I'm sorry. >> It go for a good while. >> Yes. >> And after I just I a lot of noise. >> Yes. And when I check myself, I check I I I see water. The book cap size already. Yeah. Yes. So when you check yourself, you realize that you in the sea water. The boat capsized >> already. >> Could you swim? >> Yes, sir. >> And you were in the water. The boat capsized. >> Yeah. >> You're a swimmer. What did you do next? I saw a life jacket. I grabbed it one time. >> And where did you see that life jacket? >> Yeah. Close to the boat. >> Close to your boat. Close to Ocean Angel. >> Ocean Angel. Yeah. And it was outside the boat floating in the water. >> Floating in the water. And what did you do with the live jacket? >> I just grabbed it and hold your phone hands. >> I'm sorry. You grabbed it and >> I grabbed it with my left hands and I hold Did you see anybody in the water at that time? You outside the boat, you grab the the um the life jacket and you're using it to to float. Uh, you held on to it. Yeah. >> Did Sorry. >> Yeah, that's when I um went up on top of the boat and sit down on it capsized. >> You went on top of the same boat, Ocean Angel. >> Yeah, it was capsized. I I couldn't sit down on it. So you're on top of Ocean Angel. >> Yeah. >> Which has capsized. You're there. You have a a life jacket. Did you see anybody else in the water at that time? >> Yes, sir. >> Who did you see in the water? I couldn't see the face. >> So you saw a person or persons in the water? >> Person in the water. >> I beg your pardon? >> I said I saw persons in the water. >> One person, two person. >> No, more than one. >> More than one person. >> Yeah. >> But you wouldn't be able to say whether it's two or three. >> Yeah. >> And you weren't able to make out the people who were in the water. >> No. Did you hear the persons saying anything, shouting anything, screaming anything? Did you hear any? >> I heard someone was shouting, \"Help! Help!\" Does it sound like a male voice or a female voice? >> A male voice. >> Yeah. That was the only person you could have heard speaking or saying anything. >> Yes sir. >> So what happened next? This male voice is shouting help help you seated on the boat. What what is the next thing that happened? >> After a while come and sit down on on ocean >> after a while other persons came to sit down on on the boat. >> Yeah. Do you recognize any of those persons? >> I I can't remember. >> You cannot remember or or were you not able to recognize? >> Um I had a I had a blue M too. I had a holy night. So >> So you do not remember who were the other persons on the boat? No. >> That's the other person who came and sit on the boat where you were. When you you you found yourself in the water, um were you seeing any other boat apart from the one that you were on? >> No, sir. Okay. So, what next happened? You and other persons seated on top of Ocean Angel. >> Yeah. >> Um which was sinking. You didn't see any other boat. What what next happened? >> After a good while, we saw boat coming towards us. You say after a while. Can you give any indication as to whether that means 5 minutes after, 10 minutes after? >> Around 15 minutes after >> about 15 minutes after. And when that boat came about 15 minutes after it came towards you all. >> Yeah. >> What happened? Did you all go onto the boat? >> Um they put me on board. And when you see the the captain on the next bird that come and rescue us. Did they also put the other persons? >> They put Davi and them too. Just just the two of us. So, are you sure it was Debbie? >> Was she alive or dead? >> A dead person. It was a girl. >> Cuz I open my eyes and the boat and I watched a person on my own leg. So the it was yourself and Debbie. >> Yeah. >> Or the yourself and the body of Debbie. >> Body of Debbie >> were put onto the boat. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And after that what happened with >> the boat? He went on a scan. Yeah. >> So on the boat that took you all to Canry's. >> Yeah. >> It was just the captain of the boat. >> The captain and you had somebody go with him. >> So it was the captain of the boat. One other person. You and Debbie's body. >> Yeah. That's what I see. So when you they took us to Canaries, what happened after you all got to Canaries? >> They dropped us on by the jetty in Canaries and they called for the ambulance. They called for an ambulance. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And after that I just knock out. I didn't know nothing again. >> So you don't know whether the ambulance came? >> I didn't know when I open my eyes. I in super hospital. >> So after they dropped you all by the jetty, they call an ambulance and the next thing you know is that you are the super hospital. Yes. Soon. So you have you have no idea what happened between after they drop you all to to Canaries and you get into the Safari hospital. You don't know how you got there or anything like that? >> No. Did you say you knocked out? Yeah, >> knocked out. When you got to the Sufi hospital, anything of note that that you saw other persons there? I saw other persons there. >> Other persons who were in the accident. >> Yeah. But there was an onboard good ocean angel. Did you sustain injury as a result of the board collision? I >> had a broken leg, my left leg. Which leg? >> The left one. >> Anything else you want to say to us? >> I had a word in my head, too. Did you have to do surgery as a result? >> Yes, sir. >> Where was the surgery? On your head or on your leg or both? >> My leg. >> Surgery was on your leg. Yeah. Yes. Anything else you wanted to say to say to me at this time? >> Anything else you wanted to say to me at this time before I invite the other commissioners to ask the questions? >> After they take me to the hospital, okay, you and that's all. Where did you Where was the surgery performed? >> My left leg. >> No, at Oku. >> Oku. Yeah. Are you and Dylan your cousin close? >> Not really. >> Were yall ever close? >> No, we just stuck to another one. We not I make a pardon. >> We just stuck to another one. We But we together nowhere like that. Ready? >> Good afternoon, Mr. Nicholas. >> Good afternoon, Mr. >> So, you recount that at one point you were seated on the capsized the boat. Yes, sir. >> You say also that Debbie was on that capsized book. >> No, I never said that. The view came on the rescue boat. Yeah. So you said I cannot say if it was two or three. I saw other people in the water but I could not see the faces. I cannot say if it was two or three. I heard a male voice shouting for help. That was the only person shouting. After a while, other persons came to sit on the boat. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I cannot remember who they were. I had a knock on my head. When I was in the water, I was not seeing any other boat apart from the one that I was on. After a good while, I saw boats coming towards us. That was about 15 minutes after they put me on board. That is the captain of the next boat which came to rescue us. They put Debbie and me just the two of us. So where was Debbie? >> And the boat come and rescue us. >> Okay. So when the boat came to rescue you, Debbie was already aboard. >> I too sure. >> What's that? >> I'm not too sure about that. >> You're not too sure. So after you were placed on the boat, you were sitting on the capsized boat. That's what you said. >> I was sleeping. >> You were sleeping. >> Yeah. >> Ah, I heard sitting. >> No, sitting. No, I have a broken leg. I couldn't I couldn't see. >> Sorry, I didn't get what you saying there. >> I had a broken leg. I couldn't sit. I was sleeping on both the boat. >> On board which boat? >> The boat that couldn't rescue us? I mean after you were rescued you fell asleep because ACPD Frasers is asking you when you were s you were sitting on the the top of the sunk boat. That's so the capsized boat. >> The cupsiz boat. >> Uhhuh. How were you on that capsiz boat? >> Is your pardon? >> The capsized boat. Were you lying down or sitting on? >> I was sitting down. >> You were sitting down on the capsiz boat on the side. >> Right. Then you said the rescue boat came. >> Yeah. The rescue boat came >> and they put you on the rescue boat. Yeah. >> At what point did you realize that Debbie was also on the rescue boat? >> When I opened my eyes. >> When you open your eyes, where? >> On both the boat that rescue us. >> On both the boat that rescued us. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you are not sure whether you got onto the boat first or Debbie? >> Oh, Debbie. Yeah. So Dylan took over the captaincy of the boat. Dylan starts to drive the boat. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. You said you were seated on the >> the bow on on the left side. >> On the left side of the bow. >> Yeah, that different side. >> Could you have seen ahead of you? >> No, sir. >> Why? >> The bows too high. I couldn't see. So you're seated on the bow. That's what you're saying. >> Yeah. Not on the B. Sit on the in front of the bow. They have a front seat. >> Okay. So you are seated >> on top of the bar sitting down. >> Okay. >> No. On the seat on the seat front. Yeah. >> And you said that the bow was too high. >> The B too high. I can see in front of me. >> Is that the design of the boat? What caused the bow to be so high that you could not have seen eyew? >> That's the design of the boat. The bow is just high. So if that same boat was not moving, it was just sitting there floating there on the water and not moving and you seated in the same position that you were, would you have seen ahead of you? I had to push my to see. >> You would have to push yourself. >> Have to stay focused forward so I wouldn't see nothing. >> That's even if the boat was just >> Yes. Just just there. Yeah. >> Okay. Did you at all ever see an on the lights of an oncoming vessel? Did you ever see the lights of a vessel coming towards the vessel you were on? >> No, sir. Did you hear? >> I didn't hear nothing. Who was the lookout on the vessel on which you were? the >> who was the lookout on the vessel on which you were >> lookout what you talking about lookout what that mean okay from my understanding the captain is supposed to have someone at the bow looking ahead for him to give him warnings and and things of that nature who was that person on your boat >> it wasn't me I didn't know I don't know it wasn't It wasn't you. >> No. >> Was there a lookout? Was there somebody watching for the captain? >> I didn't know if the next guy beside me was watching. I didn't know. >> No, I am asking you. Was there someone watching out towards the front for the captain? >> I know. I just thought the two of us were in front. I I I didn't know if anybody was watching for the captain. You said there were two of us. Two of you in front. >> Yeah. >> Who was the other person? >> Tyron. Was he How was he in the vessel? You were sitting in the vessel. What was What was Tyrone doing? >> He was sitting on the vessel, too. >> Was he sitting next to you? >> Yes, sir. Was there anybody ahead of you? Was there anybody in front of you on time? >> No. So, there's the two of us that are in front. Thank you, Mr. Nicholas. Okay. Mr. Nicholas, good afternoon. >> Afternoon madam. >> You indicate said that Tyrone was initially operating the vessel before Dylan took over. Um, could you tell us approximately where Dylan took over the vessel? Do you remember when I passed on there by there? And you stated that Dylan was traveling faster than Tyrone. >> Yes, ma did. >> What made you conclude that he was driving faster? >> But I saw the boat was going more faster when Dylan had it than Tyrone. >> The boat was going >> faster when had it than Tyrone. And would you say that the speed affected the stability of the boat? Pardon? >> Did you say would you say that the speed that Dylan was traveling at, did it affect the stability of the boat? Was the boat more unstable when Dylan was driving versus when Tyrone? >> It was more stable. >> It was more unstable. And did you feel safe traveling at this speed that Dylan? >> No, I wasn't feeling safe. Am I really to be honest with you? >> Did you express concerns to Dylan? >> Did you express any concerns with the speed? No, I didn't tell nothing. >> Did anyone on board express any concerns about the speed he was operating? >> Only um only the the the girls was telling him um Dan um slow down. We can only the girls the girls was telling him um Dan, you're going too fast. We cannot swim. Yeah. >> You were telling him you're going too fast. We cannot swim. >> We cannot swim. Yeah. >> When you say the girls, can you clarify who? >> Debbie Roxson and I don't know the other girl name. >> Is it the young lady from Chosel? >> Yes, my lady. And when he told when they told Dylan to reduce on his speed, did he listen? >> No, he did not. >> Did he provide any response? >> We didn't say anything. You also say here that you did not observe any lights on Ocean Angel. Did you observe whether there were any navigation lights when he left when the boat left the port of Sufare? >> No lights, my lady. Did you observe whether the lights were switched on at any time during the journey? >> No, my lady. >> Did you see lights from any other vessel at any point in time? >> No, madam. No. Were there any circumstances which made it difficult for you to see far ahead? >> The bar was too high. I couldn't see. >> What about the weather? >> The weather wasn't too bad. Did you hear anyone shout or give any warning before the collision? >> Did you hear anyone on the boat give any warnings before the collision? >> Nothing like that. Something like that. Did you observe at any time whether Dylan attempted to change his direction or reduce the speed of the vessel? >> No. And directly prior to the collision, did you see any other lights on any other boats? >> No, my lady. >> Did you observe whether there were any life jackets on board the boat at any point in time before the collision? >> No, I didn't check that. beg your pardon? >> I didn't check that. I didn't see before boarding the Ocean Angel. Did you observe whether Dylan consumed any alcoholic beverages? >> I'm not too sure about automatically. Mhm. When Dylan took over, did Tyrone have any objections? No, >> these are all my questions. Thank you. >> Yeah, thank you too. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Nicholas. >> Good afternoon, sir. >> I have a few questions for you. Um, when you boarded the vessel at the Sufred dock, were you given any safety briefing when you got on the boat? >> Nothing like that, sir? Nothing like that? No. >> No. Were you given a life jacket to put on? >> No sir. >> What was the weather conditions when you boarded the vessel at the Sufare jetty? >> At that time, we had good weather. when I go the vessel. >> What do you mean by good weather? >> No wind, nothing like that. >> And how how was the sea? >> It was a kind of way chopping. >> It was what? >> No, it was a kind of way chopping. >> It was choppy even at the jetty. >> No, the jetty. No, it was um more calm. >> More calm. So just be prior to the incident, did you hear any sirens or verbal warnings? Any anything from the crew to alert you? >> No sir. Can you describe do you remember how the vessel was in terms of prior to the impact? Was it stable? Was it unstable? >> It was stable formation. It was stable. >> Excuse me. >> It was stable. >> It was stable just prior to the empire. >> Stable. How fast were you going? >> He was going very fast. >> What's What do you What's very fast for you? >> Got a lot of speed. >> A lot of speed. Do you recall Dylan being on the VHF? >> On the what? >> The VHF. the the radio? >> No, sir. >> So, you did not observe Dylan having any communication with the VHF? >> No. >> Okay. Have you been on that vessel before? >> No sir. >> So, this was your first time on Ocean Angel? Yeah. >> And you're a fisherman? >> Yes sir. Do you often time travel at night on such vessels? >> Do you travel on vessels from Sufra often at night? >> No sir. >> So you're normally in by sunset? >> Yes sir. >> A final question. Um, how would you describe the crew, which is the captain and the lookout, the first mate? How would you describe them? Were they tired? Were they under the influence of alcohol? Were they alert? >> Um, I didn't know, sir. I come and get all them people on board the boat. I don't know if they want the alcohol or I'm drinking alcohol. Okay. >> Thank you. Good day, Mr. Nicholas. How are you? >> Not too bad, mister. >> Thank you. I'm good. Um, I just want you to take us slowly from Sufre to Ascos on your own time. We have listened to you. I think we have a fairly good understanding as to what you have said. But even before that I would like to ask you one question because it is very important to understand that also. Um prior to going on the trip or even during the passage from Sufre to the point of the accident, did you eat or did you drink anything that would have caused you to see or hear things differently from normal? I didn't eat anything. I didn't drink anything. >> You didn't drink anything or eat anything >> that would have impaired your judgment? >> No. >> Okay. So, let's take us slowly because you said the sea in terms of the sea condition, you said it was not bad, but it was choppy. >> Yeah. So my first question to you is to explain Choppy in terms of you being a seasoned fisherman. Is it a case where you were bouncing or there was just a slight movement? >> Bouncing. >> Bouncing. Yeah. >> Good. Would you as an captain a fisherman? >> Would you have a fisherman? Not a captain. >> Say again. >> I'm a fisherman, not a captain. >> Not a captain. Uh very well. So we have that. So would you have allowed yourself to be driven by somebody whether daytime or night time with the sea condition being what it was? Would you have allowed somebody to drive you this time of day? The sun is out but the sea is choppy the way it was. Would you have allowed somebody to drive a boat with you on board that way? >> Yes, sir. >> You would? >> Yeah. >> You were comfortable with it during the day? >> During the day? Yeah. >> During the night? >> No, I wouldn't take it. >> Okay. >> God know he was ever so choppy out there. >> I wouldn't take it. >> Okay. So, Commissioner Dretes asked you earlier on in terms of seeing a head and we all understand that the configuration of the boat, the way the boat was built that you may not see ahead if you have a high bow. What I need to know is whether you saw anybody on board the boat you on board which was Ocean Angel. Yes, >> Angel. standing or sitting and relaying any conversation with the captain as to what he or she would have seen ahead of Ocean Angel. Was there anybody? >> Nobody sir. >> So it would be fair to say that there was not a lookout. Okay. >> Would it also be fair with your experience? Would it also be fair to say that there was no lights whatsoever? Whether white, red, or green on the boat? >> No type of light. >> No lights. >> Thank you. So my question now to give me a fair idea to give us a fair idea of the passage from Sufre to the point of the accident in your own judgment. How long did you think that boat ocean angel took from Sufre when it left to the point of the accident in terms of minutes? Just think, take your time. 3 days, 1 hour. Just give us your own. Leave it on 20 minutes too. >> 20 minutes >> from the PF. >> 20 minutes. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. You also stated that you saw a life jacket floating. In fact, you saw life jackets floating. >> You took one. >> Yeah. and then you you try to assist yourself because of the pain to go onto the other uh >> the boat that was floating nearby. So my question to you is what was the captain of Ocean Angel doing at that point? >> I was fishing now I was looking forward I I I I couldn't watch the back to see him. >> Did you see him if he was sitting down? I I don't know if he was sitting or standing. >> I didn't understand what you just said. I didn't understand you. >> I don't know if he was sitting down or standing up at the time. >> Okay. >> Now, after the accident, you were in the water. Something the accident happened. So, you took 20 minutes from Sufre to Asco. Then there was the accident, right? >> We just taking it slowly stages. After the accident, did you see the captain of Ocean Angel doing anything in the water? >> He had his stone and I you were trying to call somebody. >> Did you see anybody else? >> That's around you. >> That's when it was on top of the bow of the boat when it capsized. >> And at that point, it would be safe. Would you agree that it would be safe to say that there were persons calling for help in the water? >> I heard one voice calling for help. >> One voice, >> but he was on the boat making some calls. >> That's correct. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. My other question would have been in terms of Debbie, but as you explained, you were not sure what time she came on board. Her body came on board. >> Yeah. or whether it was before after you and we understood you had a a gash on the head. So, we kind of understand that. But how many other persons or how many other vessels during your rescue was in that area? I already see our vessels and the one that come and save us for for a while. >> Say that again. I understand. >> I have seen my vessel I come on board and the one that come and save us. >> Okay. So in your own judgment as a fisher, how far from the land do you believe that you were at the point of the accident? Not too sure. Mr. >> Can you give us in terms of reference to utility poles, right? The poles on the street. Can you tell us how far if is 3400 poles? Just give us an idea. >> I couldn't even well see the show. >> Say again. >> I couldn't well see the sh >> But you were not sure the actual distance. Yeah. >> But you could you have seen the shore? >> I could have seen but not that close. >> Okay. Did you ask the captain to do anything in terms of his speed before the accident? >> No sir. >> Other than the girls, did any the two ladies? Sorry. If did anybody ask the captain to do anything in terms of adjusting his speed or going faster or stop? >> No worry. Nothing like that. before just before the accident or the impact so to speak, did you notice or did you feel the captain did anything with the vessel? Go left, go right, slow down the speed. >> Nothing that I just had a a loud noise. You didn't go left or right. Just a loud noise. >> Okay. And based on where you were sitting, you could just take your time. You were sitting on the port side, which would have been the left side of the vessel. In your own judgment, in your own words, would you feel that those vessels went straight on or there was a slight knock from sideways? >> For myself, I was a a sideways thing. >> Sideways near where you were sitting. >> It was head on probably I would have died too. >> If it was head on, you believe you would have died? >> Because I was at the front. So in your fair judgment, you are comfortable to say that the impact would have been on the left side near where you were sitting. >> No, I think I I think it's on the right side. If it was on the left side, I would have be dead. >> Not directly on >> Sorry. You saying you were on the right side or the left? >> I was on the left side. >> You on the left side. >> You're on the left side. >> Yeah. So the do you believe again that if that vessel was going slower maybe the accident would have been avoided? >> Yeah. Yes sir. Yes sir. And my other question maybe not the final was during the voyage between Sufre and Aosha was the captain or anybody else consuming anything that would have caused their judgment to be different. Was the captain drinking water? Was he drinking apple juice or anything? Nobody wasn't drinking anything. No nothing like that >> or eating anything. >> Eating nothing. Not even smoking. >> Okay. >> So, are you sure that everybody who left on the vessel was accounted for after the accident or to date? >> Pardon sir. >> Say again. >> Pardon? Are you sure that everyone because based on my writing I think you may have said seven of you eight of you left so >> yeah eight >> eight yes >> you sure it was eight and not 10 or a bigger figure >> it too >> eight >> so you sure that all those persons were accounted for after the accident again they were found. All persons were found after the accident. Are you sure? >> Um I don't know sir because all them time I was in hospital I didn't know anything going to happen again. So you were hospitalized after the accident >> because um they drop dropped me and Debbie and shot first and I didn't I didn't know for the rest and when I went into super hospital I see one to other set of partners there from the next boat. So how long after did you find out that there were other persons who may have lost their lives? In the hospital you >> second please >> in the hospital. Okay you I had four people die but even the same night I heard that the next day when I wake up. Yeah. But B, so my my understanding of the rules engaging the sea, would it be safe to say that you were a passenger or a crew member of the vessel? >> You >> I was a passenger. >> Passenger. >> Not a crew member. >> So you were not working with the captain at the time. You were just riding. So it's it's important that we establish that you were not or you were a crew or passenger on the vessel. It's important and you use the term moderate with the first driver, sorry, the first captain. He was driving moderate I think you said. >> Yeah. More. >> And then the other one took over and then he went in your own description very fast. >> Yeah. Very fast. >> So could you describe moderate in terms of being on board? You very familiar with the sea. Could you describe moderate to us at least the speed in your own language so that we can understand? My the what I remember from your language is Tyran was going easy on the boat but Dylan was going faster. >> Yes, >> that's what you said. >> Yes, sir. >> So, I I believe to to report Mr. Frederick's question. What then would you mean by Tyson was going easy on the boat? Because you didn't say moderate, you said easy. >> He was going slower tying. He was going slower the boat. >> Slower that you could have managed what was happening. >> Yes. >> In terms of the speed and the bounce and all of that. So you were not jumping off the seats. It was not slamming. It was manageable. You could have a work with that. And then the word that in your own words you said he will show him how to cap. And cap is the the local term for captain, right? >> Yes sir. >> So he will show him how to cap and then the speed. >> Okay. >> Fast speed. fast speed. And how long after the cap really begin when the speed came did the accident occurred in just give me an estimated time? Yes. >> How long after he took the boat from the first captain >> and to show him how to cap? How long after did the accident happen? minutes in terms of minutes. Sorry. Okay. Okay. So, let me you left sufra. >> Yes. Then you have an Shassley you have um the different points Canaries let's just put it as Betty then you have Canaries as you go along going up north so at what point did he took the the boat from the first captain >> it's Afton Shass >> Afton Shass >> so the first captain took it from Sufre went around the cove yes >> and then when you get the stretch to come straight up. He took it from him. >> So between Anshass that is outside of the reef correct to the point of the accident. How many minutes you think that may have taken before the accident from taking the boat to the accident? How many minutes? around 15 16 minutes sir >> 15 >> 16 minutes >> so it would be fair to say that the would you agree that from the supra jetti to go round to anastas It took the first captain just a little over 5 minutes. Correct? That would be almost one/3 of the distance you travel if we if we look at it that way. And the other 2/3 of the of the um the journey, the route would have been completed in 15 minutes 15 16 minutes with the sea condition not being as calm as it was inside Port Sufre which is usually kind of controlled. So it would be fair to say that that that boat was flying. You agree with me? >> Yes sir. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Mr. Nicholas, I have one question for you. When the second captain took over and was captain in the vessel, were you frightened for your life? >> Not really. Yes, sir. >> Was that >> Not really, mister? Not not really. >> You weren't? >> Really? So it was the the vessel was not going fast enough for you as a fisherman >> to be frightened. >> It was going fast for me, but I didn't I had no problem. >> Are you a good swimmer? >> Yes, sir. >> Why didn't you put on a life jacket? >> I wasn't on my mind. It wasn't on my mind. >> What was on your mind? >> Your life jacket? It was on my mind. >> What was on your mind? >> To reach go >> to reach the party. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Just to be clear in terms of numbers, you you did say what you said amounted to there were a total of nine persons on board the boat. Eight persons. >> I from the my count it was eight plus you let let's go over the names you get. The boat was headed to Galilee when I boarded it. Tyrone 1, Roxan 2, Debbie 3, A Girl from Shiselle 4, Bradley 5, Marvin 6, Molly 7, or Marley 7, sorry, the captain 8, and I nine. >> Yes, that's that's what you told us. It amounted to nine people. You and eight other people on board. Yeah. I mean, a while ago you said eight or whatever, but from what you said, it totals nine people. So, just just to make sure, Tyran was on the boat. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Roxan was on the boat. >> Yeah. >> Debbie was on the boat. >> Yeah. >> There was a a a lady from Shiselle whose name you do not know. >> Yeah. >> Bradley was on the boat. >> That's right. >> Mi was on the boat. >> Mali was on the boat. >> Yeah. >> The captain was on the boat. That's Dylan. Dylan and you on the boat. Yeah, that's night. Believe me, that's nine. You said I'm looking for the note where I had it. You said that you never told Dylan to slow down. >> No. >> You also said nobody ever did. >> Nobody. >> But you had said something a little different earlier. You had said the three girls >> told him to slow down. You remember saying that? I can look for the specific place for you. I remember. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yes. >> Yeah. So, you did say that you didn't complain about speed, but the three girls, as you put it, the three ladies who were on the boat, they complained about speed. Yes. And you also said that after they did that, you said Dylan didn't listen. By which I understood you to mean he did not take heed. He did not when they said so, he did not slow down as a result of them saying so. In fact, he didn't say anything. He just continued at his speed. That's what I understood you to be saying when you gave your evidence earlier on. Is that correct? >> That's good. >> Okay. Because you said you put it a little differently when you answering questions, but I think these were the clarifications I had. Anything anybody else wants to ask? Yeah. Nothing. Nothing. Uh, very much, Mr. Nicholas. It appeared to me that you were trying your best to remember as much as possible what happened. Uh I I got that impression. You were trying your best. >> Thank you. >> And you were trying to avoid saying anything that you were not sure of. >> So at the you what you have said to us is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. >> Yes. >> And is there anything you wish to add to what you have said? No, Mr. >> Okay. And uh Mr. Hipplet, is there anything you would like to ask Mr. Nicholas? No. >> Okay. You may step down. >> All right. Thank you. >> And as I said to other witnesses, it is always possible that you may be recalled. Not likely, but possible. Yes, sir. Okay. So chair, we have two more witnesses, Mr. Arinus Pascal and Mr. Tyson Hippolit. Mr. Mr. Hillet is already here. >> Ireanius Pascal and so Mr. Hippilit is he was the captain of Kaza. >> I'm sorry I didn't get I'm sorry >> Mr. Hipp. So the next two persons were from the other vessel Kaza Jr. >> And are they both here? >> Yes. >> And Mr. Irreaneous passenger. >> He's seated outside. >> Uh just just remind me he was passenger or crew. >> He's a owner of >> Ah okay. Yes. Yes. I remember now. >> Yes. >> Yes. So Mr. Hippo I think we should do him first or do This >> I Tyson Hippy >> do solemnly swear >> solemnly swear >> to tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth >> and nothing but the truth. So help me God. Remember that Mr. The hipplet is very tongue. Sorry. No, the way you said that you see I have good understanding. >> Okay. He has been sworn. Okay. Yes. Uh Mr. If you can you state your name, >> your occupation and your address? >> Did you on the 21st of July 2026 give a statement to the police about what happened on the night of of Saturday 18th July 2026? >> Yes, sir. Were you shown a copy of that statement today? >> Yeah. >> And does the statement accurately reflect what you said to to the police officer on that day? >> Mhm. >> Yes. Yes, sir. Yeah. >> And you wish to stand by that statement as being true and correct? Is there anything you wish to add to the statement that you made? >> Nope. You you left Soure at about 300 p.m. on 18th July 2026 to head to Gillate. Mhm. And you were the captain of the boat on that trip. >> Chair, excuse me. Just for the purposes of the records, I'd prefer if you spoke into the microphone so I can capture your your response on record. So don't just shake your head. >> Yes. Thank you. Huh? So on the way back from Gile back to Sufra. There were nine of you on the boat headed back to Sufra. >> Yep. >> And that boat was Kazola Jr. Mhm. Yes. Yes, sir. >> Did you captain the boat on the way back? >> Well, up and down. >> I beg your pardon? >> On the way up and on the way down. >> Very well. >> Yeah. Did you have a license to operate the boat JR? >> Yeah. Well, not his boat, but I have a license. Not well, the license doesn't say if you have to operate which particular boat. So, I have a license, but how to operate this boat? The license that you have, the license that you have, was it a license that was valid until July? I'm coming, sir. >> I I I don't know when last I look into that. So, >> just just a minute. Was it a license that expired on the 18th of July, 2015? >> I don't know. If you see the license, would you recognize it? >> Maybe. Anybody have a copy? I will show you a boat license and tell me if you recognize it as your license. Mhm. >> So that was that's the license that you had for the boat to operate the boat. And do you recognize that it expired on the 18th of July 2015? So, do you agree that that means for 11 years you've been driving around boats with no license? >> No, that's why that's why I wasn't paying it because I don't I not driving boats with I not driving boats. >> So, from 2015 to now, you have not been driving boats. >> No, no, no. Boats operating. I don't mind going. >> I beg your pardon. >> Speak speak into the mic. >> No, no, >> but you were driving one >> mine as a fisherman. >> No, no. I'm talking about you were driving you were driving that boat on the night of of Friday of Saturday 18th July. >> Mhm. >> Yes. It was the first time you had driven a boat in in 11 years apart from your fishing boat. >> Yeah. >> It was the first time. >> Yeah. No, no, no. I don't drive other boats anyway. I beg your pardon? >> I don't drive the bus, but this time I'm sir. >> Okay. I think probably no other boat than my boat. >> So for 11 years, the only time you drove a boat apart from your fishing boat >> was on the night of 18th of July. >> Well, I only drove this boat maybe three three to four times. >> You drove it >> about four times. about three I would say >> about three or four times. Yeah. >> In 11 years. >> Yep. >> Yes. And apart from driving his boat about three or four times in 11 years, there's no other boat you were driving. Let me finish ask you the question so that you show when what you're answering is what I'm asking. So you are saying that between the 18th of July 2015 and the 18th of July 2026 a period of exactly 11 years that during those 11 years apart from driving your fishing boat you drove Gazola Kazola JR about three or four times and you drove no other boat during those 11 years. Interesting. On that night, while you were engrossing, were you consuming alcohol? >> Yeah. What the hell? At least free pizza. >> I beg your pardon? >> At least. At least three pon. Three to four. >> At least. >> At least. Yeah. Three. >> At least what? >> Three pito. >> At least three p. >> What about four? >> Maybe four. >> Maybe. Maybe four. Yeah. Maybe >> could be five as well. >> No. >> So, let me see. Maybe four. Not five. >> Okay. And apart from maybe four beers, four pich were you drinking any other alcohol? >> No, I don't drink any other alcohol. Yes. You don't drink any other? >> No. >> Okay. The owner of the boat said that he had made at least four rounds of drinks. for for you and the others who were with you at the time at least 4 hours for each of one at least one bear for each of each of you. >> Mhm. >> Would is that is that a a correct statement? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so you agree that that Irene Inas had bought at least four bears for each one of you. He also said that apart from that, y'all were there and y'all may have been drinking other alcohol apart from the four bears that he he gave to each of y'all. Would that be correct? >> I don't know. I only drink pizza and I only add I don't drink any other alcohol. I don't know. >> So, you're not sure whether you had drinks apart from the four pit or that? No, >> nothing. Just Just the four. Just the four people. >> Just the four. I think I know what happened. Miss Joseph, I gave you my statement for um for officer guard. I don't think I got it back cuz I've been looking for my statement from for Irene Paul and I don't seem to have it. And I recall giving it for um for Yes. Anyway, >> I think you gave it to the officer to show him maybe, but not to me. >> Okay. >> I've never seen the full um statement. >> Okay. Very well. So, but you are agreeing that you had at least four pure bears. >> Mhm. But you are saying that apart from those four Peter Bears, you did not have any other alcoholic beverage. >> Well, I only drink I'm a bear drinker boss. I only drink bears. I don't drink any other things than be that's it. >> So upon consuming four bears, you does it do anything to you? >> No, man. >> Nothing? >> No. So why you waste your money buying bears? >> Huh? >> So why are you wasting your money buying beers if it's not making any difference? >> No, but that's what I like. That's what I drink most. What do you like? >> Juice. >> Well, you drink juice then. >> Yeah. So you're saying that you can drink four bears and you just you're able to >> you're able to drive a boat with nine people on board and don't get into any accidents or anything. anything. Yeah, I love this very Mr. Good day. How are you? Come on. Okay. Captain Lu Podial DP 2016. >> Mhm. May we see the chairman commission that OP 2026 Six. Yeah. Yellow toe. May serve that listen party. district. as some of your idea key captain. Yeah. Key speed. What speed were you traveling on? Key 150 horsepower. I'll see 3,000 RPM 4,000 150 horsepower. 150 horsepower 3,000 35 4,000 what you get maybe roughly let me say 20 24 knots about roughly so 4,000 or 35 at least >> so not go this >> RPM in RPM >> RPM 3,000 RPM 35 roughly since 24 20 24 >> 20 to 24 >> and that well that's what I under 150 horsepower at least Moon. Okay. Kimita roughly 45. 50 minutes 45 because speed 4,000 at least 45. Okay. Right. Okay. life jacket. Don't sell yourself. life jacket. Mhm. Amen. Life jacket. Oh, you prefer me English. Okay. Okay. So, Navigation lights. Navigation light on 100% sure. >> 100% sure. So you want to go in English now? I can go. >> We can continue. So before the accident, did you see any other lights in the area you were navigating? >> No, only the lights. Only the show lights. >> Only the shore lights. >> How far from the shore were you? by direct line utility poles. >> Yes. Just use reference to >> free utility poles. >> Mr. DJ, you know um you know exactly where it is by direct to shoreline. What you think >> your judgment? That's what we ask. >> At least that's what I say. >> So you say free utility poles at least. It could have been more but >> could have been more but kind of Yeah. Okay, thank you. So my next question to you is were there any other vessel? Okay. So, how dark was it and what was the weather like on that night? >> Weather visibility was all right. Good weather was good. Delta Delta stars bel. >> Was the moon out? >> Yeah, Delta. >> Okay. But if the moon was out, you would have seen the wash. I bought this because no see. >> Okay. >> But since you spoke about slow down. All right. The rules engage that if the rules concerning safe speed indicate that if you are traveling and the visibility Mhm. >> We just So my next question is at the point of the accident, what did you do after you felt the impact? >> I mean, you mean the minute it happened? >> Yes. What did you do immediately? >> I guess well, I was the one that put the boat in again. I was down to put the boat in neutral but in neutral for sure yours in neutral. >> Yeah. As soon as f neutral one time that's it here. I sleep the same place. Put the boat in neutral and just stay the same place behind my wheel. That's it. >> Did you call anybody? >> No. People call. >> Second place. >> People call but I didn't call anyone. >> Do you have a phone? You mean if people call me? >> No call. Did you make a call? Who did you call? You in an accident? >> No, no, no. My all I My phone was in the cabin in the um how do you say it? >> The cons the steering box. >> The console. >> Yeah, it was in the console. Yeah. >> Did you make any attempts to call anybody? >> No. >> Any particular reason why you didn't? >> Because people was calling for help. in by rescue the minute I the minute I put the boat in neutral I'll say seconds after I fell in water and saved two lives >> okay so that is what I was asking what did you do immediately after you you and you said you excuse you said you jump into the water to rescue persons >> did you have a lookout on your vessel >> on which one >> on your vessel the vessel that you were captain in did you have a lookout Yeah. >> Did the lookout see anything? >> No. >> So there was communication between you and your lookout and nothing was seen. >> Nothing was seen. >> Did you account for everybody that was on your vessel? >> Okay. So nephew noch So okay for me lighthouse for me pilot boat for Noitor. Okay. Huh? Well, all right. there. >> Messi, >> Mr. Hibolit, the captain before you, he answered the same thing to the commission that you just answered that he did not call the lighthouse. You said you did not call the lighthouse. Tell this commission in practice what happens. I mean give us a general sense. You you you travel on other boats. You you you captain boats yourself. Tell tell us what what happens when you you as a fisherman leave. You leaving Sufre to go out fishing or you leaving the pot of Sufre to another pot with people on board. What do you do? What do other captains do? Tell us what really happens. >> You mean do we call somebody let them know that we leaving or coming? Yeah. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do you all do that in general or do you know whether other boat captains do that or it is >> I don't think I don't think much of us do it you know boss I I don't know I don't know for some reason you see that VGM lighthouse most people do that is the people that in cast race >> that's most captains >> but most of you know that you should do >> you should >> but you all just don't do it >> I don't know for some reason they don't do it >> they don't I'm But a lot of them a lot of us >> But as far as you know whether fishermanmen or or boat captains with taxi the the boat water taxi as far as you know they don't call the lighthouse. >> No we don't we don't that one we we we don't follow that one. Definitely a lot of us don't follow that one calling VG light whatever we don't >> okay thank you Mr. Thank you Mr. Hippolit. Would you be surprised that there is sufficient evidence to show that you have been operating vessels within the port of Sufre other than the day of the accident? Would you be surprised? But from my boat other vessels like >> you've been operating listen well >> before the day of the accident on 2016 Mr. Chairman, when the license expired 2015, would you be surprised that there is sufficient evidence >> that you have been operating within the port of Sufre another vessel? Well, I don't surprise so I'll not be surprised. You'll not be surprised. >> I will not be surprised but I not I try. >> Okay. >> No building evidence >> that between surprise 15 operate. surprise my surprise. >> No, you know that I remember well for the after 11 years. I think I have my book for 10 years now. Probably two and a half. But you will agree with me that you have been approached on renewing your license between 2015 and July 18th, 2026 to make an effort to renew your license. And you did not. >> No, we're not arguing. I am saying that you were approached between 2015 and 20 and July 20 sorry July 18th 2026 to renew your license and you did not >> I don't understand sign language if I don't remember? >> You don't remember? >> From 2016 to 2018. >> Yes. >> So what did I get charged or something like that for operating So listen. Mhm. Fore. Yo, mini. Let me just ask. I want to understand something from you. You seem to be suggesting that you do not need a license to drive your fishing boat. Is that what you're suggesting? Well, >> because you keep saying you don't have a license, but you only drive your fishing boat. >> Yeah. Well, so don't not a fishing um license you need to operate a fishing boat. >> That's what I'm asking. Is that is that what you're trying to tell the commission? >> Yeah. that you you apart from this boat which were you which you were operating on the night of the accident. You seem to be suggesting because you mostly operate your fishing vessel that you have not been paying that captain's license. Is that what you're saying? >> Mhm. And when you answered that you were not surprised, you would not be surprised. If you were shown evidence that you have driven other vessels, what what what are you saying? Are you saying you're not surprised that people will say something like that or you and explain? >> Well, I'm not surprised if you all have it as proof showing that I already drive other boats. if you'll have it. >> Oh, you will not be surprised if we have it as proof. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> My my final question to you at this time, Mr. Hippolit, is to ask you if you remember how much it is to pay your annual license. You don't remember? Should I remind him, Mr. chairman or should I based on the provisions of the law for you it's only $5 per year. So we are yet to understand why from 2016 to renew 2016 to 2011 um now is 11 years right? >> What's $5? >> How much for the license that is expired? the >> the one that is expired. How much is it? >> So the government made provisions to give concession and all of that just to ensure and I'm speaking about the government of St. Lucia through your what you do for a living. You your livelihood would have given you concession for $5 I believe to renew the license and you have not done so in 11 years. So, are you saying in 11 years you have not been able to make $55 to renew your license at all in 11 years? I don't understand that one yet. So, you'll have to you get me there. That one you'll have to I don't quite understand that one year. >> It it goes back to the issue of >> again >> you have your your license to operate a boat expired on the 18th of July 2015. We've shown you the documents. You accept that? >> Yeah. >> And it is being also put to you that between then 11 years ago when your license expired and now you have been driving passenger boats during that period. Yes. I mean that between Janu July of 2015 and now you have been driving boats. You have been doing boats. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I tell you I was driving my boat. >> No, no, no. We're not talking about your fishing boat. >> Talking about other boats. >> Yes. That you have been driving boats in those 11 years, although you do not have a license to do so. I I mean, you you are saying everything else but yes, but everything you're saying suggests that that is so, but you're just not saying yes, that is so. >> Well, yes. So, yes, you agree that you've been driving boats without a license. Yes. And that um Kaz Kazora Kaza or Kazora? Kaza JR is not the only boat that you have driven in the last 11 years. The only passenger boat that you've driven in the last 11 years. You have driven other boats. Well, >> surprise me like you said. Let me know. >> No, I didn't. >> Yes. Yes. But I'm not quite sure which other boats. So, >> you're not quite sure, but you're not denying that you drove other boats. >> We're not looking to convict you of anything else. We're looking to find out the facts. >> You have a license which expired in 2015. That is 11 years ago. there. We we know that you drove Kazula according to you for about three or four times. We also are putting into you that you you drove other boats as well during those 11 years. >> Yes. >> Yep. And was has anybody from the port authority, the maritime division of the port authority or from the marine unit of the police force approached you in those 11 years about the fact that you are operating boats without the appropriate license? >> Well, not not that I can remember. >> You can't remember being approached by anybody from the maritime unit of the port author St. Toucha NC ports Authority. You don't remember ever being approached in 11 years about your expired license? >> Nope. >> And do you you don't remember being approached in 11 years by anybody from the police marine unit about your expired license? >> Very well. Well, let me just take the opportunity to to just put one statement to you that was made by your employer, the boat owner, that I would have purchased at least four pet bears each for Leester, Nile, and Tyson. They had they had their own monies and would have purchased their own drinks as well. That's what that's what Mr. Ireina Pascal said in his statement that he bought four drinks for each of you. Four beers for each of you and that apart from that you'll your own monies and were buying drinks as well. >> Well, I didn't buy any other drinks. Don't need a foil. >> Very well. Anything else? Anything else? No. Yes, at this point uh that concludes the the your evidence at this time. Bear in mind that it is possible that you may be recalled um to give to respond to other questions that the commission may find it necessary to put to you. So it is possible that you may be recalled and I want you to clearly bear in mind here that we are not this is not about prosecuting you. There might be there might be a a a police officer here but he is here in his capacity as a a senior police officer who can assist with the what the work that the commission is doing. But we are not the police. We are not trying to ask you questions so that charges can be brought against you. This is not the role of this commission. So it's important that you understand that. So you do not have to bob and weave and duck and so on in answering questions. Our role is to get the information as to what happened. So as I indicated, you may be called back if the need arises for you to give uh further evidence in the matter. Uh any questions that you had for Mr. Hippolip? Okay, you may step down. All right. Thank you, Miss Joseph. He's a short recess. After this, we only have one more witness for the day, but we have to take a short recess for no more than about 10 minutes because one of the commissioners has a matter to attend to. So, you will remain here or anywhere within the precincts and be back in 10 minutes to to take your evidence. Okay. So, we recess for 10 minutes.\n","preamble":"# Commission of Inquiry PT II Oct 13 2026\n\n","segmentation":"Starting after the first blank line, treat the opening text as turn 1 and every >> delimiter as the beginning of the next turn. Accumulate complete turns until the contiguous block is at least 1,000 Unicode characters long; then begin a new block. Keep final short block. Number P2-001 onward. Secondary P2-U0001 onward units split the complete source on >> and trim surrounding whitespace; their source offsets remain exact. 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I Inas Pascal. >> I I Pascal. >> Do solemnly swear. >> Oh, do swallow me swear >> to tell the whole truth. >> To tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth. >> And nothing but the truth. >> So help me God. Remember that one. Yeah. Hey, can I address? >> Yes. Come closer. >> Your attention on that of commissioners. Mr. Pascal has indicated that he has a slight um hearing loss in >> Yeah, I have a little hearing problem to the left. So, >> so we would need to speak up just to ensure that he can hear clearly. Are you hearing me loudly and clearly? >> Yes, I do. >> Okay. Can you state your name, your address, and your occupation? >> Um, my name Ireneius Pascal from Bridge Street Sofur, and I'm a tour operator by profession. Did you on the 19th of July 2026 give a statement to the police as to what transpired on the 18th of July 2026? >> Yes, I did. >> Were you shown a copy of this statement this morning? Yes, I do. Well, um it was supposed to be four pages, but I received two pages of it, but I do have a copy >> um with all four. >> Yeah, I have a copy. >> Very well. >> Yes. And you you have read the statement and you're satisfied that it is true and correct? >> Yes, I did. >> Okay. And you wish it to be used uh by this commission? >> Repeat yourself. And you wish it to be used by this commission as evidence? >> Yes. >> Having read the statement, is there anything you need to add to need you need to alter? >> No. >> You're you're satisfied with the statement as >> as read by you? >> Yes, I do. >> Very well. body want to start off with him. Anybody want to start off with him? Okay. Um, Mr. Pascal, the four commissioners and the legal council will be asking you questions on your statement and on what transpired on the 18th of July, 2026. >> Noted. >> Good evening, Mr. Pascal. >> Good evening. Um so just for clarity you are self-employed. >> Yes I do. >> Um what aspect in the boating industry are you involved in? >> Um tourist. Tourism. >> Tourism. So the vessel is >> you I'm the owner of the vessel as well. >> Owner. I'm the owner of Kazola Jr. >> Mhm. Are you Do you also have a captain's license? >> Make your pardon. >> Do you also have a captain's license? >> No, I don't have. >> And what kind of touristic boating events is your boat involved in? >> Um well, we specialize in both. um how would I say um fishing troops like London seats. >> London seats. >> Yeah, I specialize in London. I mean, >> and do you have a full-time captain? >> Yes, I do. >> Um and on the the date the 18th of July 2026, >> he wasn't available. >> He was not available. No. >> So, what arrangements did you make in his place? >> Well, I found out that it was because it was a planned event. The whole thing that happened, it was planned because, you know, Connival have a calendar of events coming, you know. So, we plan ahead and decided to go, but you know, he was supposed to be the captain, but the day of the event, he took his boat, which is a um a day, and he went out to the event on his own. So you know I had left with no choice. Um Tyson was you know among the plans as well. So he just decided to you know captain the boat on that night. >> So the captain you used on the day of the 18th of July 2026 is a captain you usually use or this was the first time? No, he's basically I've used him a few times, you know, but the day of the the event, he's not my um how would I say it? He's not my um my worker. He don't work for me. I just use him time to time. The the night of the the event, I use him. >> When you say a few times in over a season of 10 months, how often do you use his services? >> Rarely, I use him cuz he's not my captain. He's not my captain. I really use him. Like, you know, I don't really use him. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> So, on the day in question, >> were you on the vessel? >> Yes, I was. >> And as the owner, as the owner, are you aware of the process in having guests on your vessel >> or the protocol? Repeat yourself. >> The protocol. Are you aware of the protocols of having guests on your vessel during tours? >> Yes, I do. >> So, can you confirm whether safety briefings were done? >> None. None of none of safety briefings was given. Is there a reason why? >> Well, I believe that's just a a weeping like we don't really, you know, take serious, you know, us. So that's why I think that's the purpose of that to, you know, reinforce those stuff and for us to do the things the right way cuz I could be honest with you. If I'm being honest with you, the majority, we don't do that. We don't brief you know especially when it's not commercial use like you know using for guests and it's locals we just do things you know so that's >> so when you have organized tours >> Mhm. >> for tourists do you do safety briefings? >> Yes. So I do cuz I'm the saleserson at the beach and I conduct everything. So basically when I go out of guests I'll tell them that live vest is mandatory especially when you're doing snorkeling. So I'd brief them accordingly and tell them what cuz also on my boat there's a big sign at the front where it's stated um live vest is mandatory as well. >> Okay. So you do safety briefings for tourists, but for localized events, >> Yeah. >> you do not have safety briefings. >> We didn't we didn't do that at all that day. >> Okay. And as the owner of the vessel, do you have a designated lookout person on your vessel? Well, yes, cuz I do have my captain and crew which work for me as well. I have a captain and crew. Well, I keep I I have a few guys who works for me as well, you know, but I have a valid captain license holder who's captain in my boat and um a crew member. Now, I'm seeing you all have some new laws in terms of having license for crew. >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you just said. I said there's a new protocol with having a license for crew and with that being said that you know my my guys who works for me I have two captain works for me but I don't have none of them doesn't have a a crew license. >> You have two captains working for you? >> Yeah two captains >> but none of them have >> a crew license because they have a they have a a license to captain the boat. >> Okay. So, who was the designated lookout person on the vessel >> on the night >> on the night 18th of July 2026? >> We did not um to be honest with you, I had no lookout because it was, you know, as I said, it was a day we just go and just go have fun. We never know it would happen like that. So, I didn't have a um lookout person when we were leaving. But on the way back, we had one which was one of the guys that you know follow us on the way back. >> And who was that? >> Mado. >> Yeah. His name is Jel. Jel something. Yeah. >> So Mado was the local >> person on the way back to Sufra. >> On the way head coming down from the north heading >> leaving the north to go to our destination Sufra. Mada was the person looking out on that night. >> And the night in question, were all the systems on your vessel working? >> Um, to be honest with you, I do have my VHF radio, which wasn't been used that night. Captain didn't use it. Nobody use it. Um, I do have my live vest. I have my um fire extinguishers and my lights front and back. So the night it just wasn't at use. We didn't tell anyone like the light off to inform the light off that we were coming. None of that happened. >> So the night in question, your navigational aids on the vessel were working but not used >> properly worked and it was at use from the time we left. >> Okay. And the VHF was working. >> It was working. We didn't use >> we didn't use it. But as I said, it's not a me thing. I'm not just trying and you know, it's not a me thing. It's something I think majority of us honestly have a habit of doing like we don't really inform the light. >> Okay. >> Which we supposed to we don't do it. It's just a we thing. And I think that's the reason why you all are here to enforce on the law on doing that. So >> So you confirmed there was no safety briefings. >> No safety briefing. >> Are you aware whether or not life jackets were issued on that night? >> And I'm being honest with you. As I said, no live vest were issued at the time, but one individual asked for a live vest minutes before the collision. And I don't even know what led him to ask for that live at that time because I'm going to be honest, he would be one of the persons being un alive. He asked for the live vest 10 minutes before the collision. And that's Mr. Roman. Mr. Roman William. >> So on your touristic tours, when you do the tours with the tourists, >> Yeah. >> do you issue life jackets? >> Yeah, we do. We do. There's some that's the same thing as well. Some of us with me, as I said, I I do my brief my my safety briefing with my guests. Some of them decide they don't want it. They're safe without it. So, you know, we can force them to wait. You understand? But I do brief my guests about life vest and stuff >> among the safety equipment. Is do you have a any a flare gun and flares? >> Um being honest um the night we didn't have any flares on board. In terms of standard oper operating procedures, do you normally review the marine or the weather forecast before you venture out on your vessel? >> Repeat yourself. >> As part of your SOPs, your standard operating procedures. >> Mhm. Do you normally get a copy of the marine or weather report before your vessel ventures out? >> Well, um, again for my guest, I always check weather forecast because sometimes it could affect it could affect my tours as well. So, I just look out for that. But I didn't look out when we have locals. I don't I don't really do that. >> So, do you consider locals your guests? Well, we it wasn't as I said if um if I'm operating commotionally commercially I'll say yes they're my guest but you know in that event but we heading out to a party I wouldn't say they are guest >> so what was the weather like that night that day and night >> well day in the day it was good um well the sea was kind of choppy >> Mhm. In the day, the weather was okay in the day, but the night it was kind of dark, you know, some dark clouds, you know. Um, also she was choppy. And at one point, I'm being honest cuz it's only the trophy. All right. when we were leaving um Rodney or Gile um captain was you know going a little more than moderate all right and I had to stop him and I have people that could attest to that I had to tell him that you know take it easy because it's kind of choppy and you can't ride those wave with speed cuz you know it could we have nine of us on board it could cause you know even without coll co colliding with anybody body it could just sink sometime take a wave so I had to call on on him and tell him you know he has to take it easy >> and who was the captain at the time >> it was Tyson Tyson captain go and come back >> and that's Tyson Hippolith >> Tyson Hippolith yeah >> during the course of that evening did you consume any alcoholic beverages >> yes I did yes I and I could clearly remember what I was consuming that night. >> And did you consume any alcohol with your captain? >> No. Well, I was the one who I purchased as I said clearly in my statement that I purchase um like three four bears for each of them cuz you know when I go out I always you know take care I I I'm the one who spending you know so you know everything was on me. So, I bought like three or four rounds of drinks which was bez. And I had like a glass like glass of um I think it was Bonte and Cranberry that night. Yeah, Bonte and Cranberry I had that night. I only had maybe three four glass. I not a heavy drinker. I drink occasionally. But it's normal if you go out with your captains while on a tour that you buy drinks for them. >> They go pardon. >> I said, is it normal >> when you go out on tours with your captain that you buy alcoholic beverages for them? >> No, not all the time. There's a place and time for all that. As I said, that night it was a event. We went to a event and we went and, you know, have a good time. But in still having a good time, I was vigilant because as I said, I I was the one buying the drinks. So, you know, I we didn't consume too many cuz I know what it could do when you're drinking and driving. >> So, I just have two more questions. Um, >> no problem. >> Is it normal for you to extend these services during the festive season, for example, carnival, jazz, etc. Do you normally do these tours at night? >> Yes, I do. >> And how late do you stay on the water? >> Well, to be honest, as I say, I'm the owner, so I basically don't really navigate at night. I usually send my captain and crew to do the work and I just stay back. So, I don't really navigate at night. So what's the normal time they would stay out extending these services into the night or early morning? >> Well, it depend on what time the events done. >> Yeah. So 2 3 4 in the morning. >> 2 in the morning. Sometime most events is 2:00 in the morning, you know, 3:00 in the morning, you know, it depend. And what's the frequency of you being stopped underwater by SLASPA or the marine police when engaging in these services? >> Um, I've never encountered any anyone never encountered any stops from the marine police when doing those. >> So they've never stopped you on the water and asked for license. No, I think I've stopped maybe once cuz you know I do things as I should. So I don't think you know I've been stopped of more than once or twice. >> Sure. >> Just a minute. Not more than once or twice in two weeks or in 2 years or or 20 years? >> Take a pattern. >> When you say you've been stopped not more than once or twice, >> is that once or twice in a week? once or twice in a year once or twice every five years. >> If my business has been in operation like the boat business has been in operation for like four or five years, I'll definitely see maybe not four or five years maybe twice I've been stopped or once. I don't get myself in problem with the police. I do what I have to do in short on time, service on time. I do what I have to do on time. And anybody who knows me could attest to, you know, me taking care of my business. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And the final question from me, can you just summarize briefly the series of events right before the incident? Um >> what you remember in terms of visual in terms of visibility? >> Oh, the night of the event. >> Yeah. The of the incident. >> The day of the incident. >> Yeah. >> Like you mean like um visibility wise? >> Yes. >> Well, as I said, it was dark to be honest with you. And where I was seated, you know, I could have just seen dark clouds and like um how you call that lights from the shoreline and choppy like see was choppy but visibility wise like it was kind of dark. So it was dark but it was you could have still see a bit a little bit visible as well but >> the weather was dark. >> Yeah. Low visibility. >> Yeah. >> A bit of shoreline. And then what happened in terms of the impact? Just describe your Well, the impact to be honest. As I said, I've I can have a little hearing problem. So, I only heard a sound. I don't know how loud it was cuz you know when you have a little air problem you might not hear it as normal as the next person but I just heard a noise and then you know I was shift to other seat and that was it. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. And be before um ACPD freighters asked you some questions. I just want to understand >> can you project your voice a bit? >> Yes. I just want to understand you said that you know you don't get into problems with the law and so on and so on and you know you are a good law-abiding citizen. I got the impression that's what you were saying. >> No not I try and I try and do things just as I should you know to not get myself in problems. You know sometimes you you fall short there and there but you know I always try my best to do what I have to do. But were you aware of the fact that you were employing somebody to to captain a boat who whose license expired 11 years ago? >> But I'm being honest with you. I know this guy for a while and I know he's been driving boats. So I'm making assumption that he has a license. You understand? And as I said the night it wasn't him was supposed to drive my boat. So you're saying you know he drives boats. Does Can I take that? You mean you know he drives passenger boats for >> No, his boat. He has his boat and I know him for I know Tyson from Donkeers cuz we stay in the same area. >> So I know him driving. >> He a fishing boat or a passenger boat? >> Oh, >> he has a fishing boat or a passenger boat? >> He has a fishing boat presently. I don't know how long he has it for but before the passion before his boat I know him to captain like um Exodus I don't know if you know about those company um Exodus that's for Tom and them >> that's back then like years maybe have decades >> that's before 2015 when he was >> well I don't I to be honest with you I don't know I as I said I just know him to captain those boats which I know is licensed boats that operate in the tourist industry so I'm assuming He do has a license. >> So I'm trying to understand you you know him to be regularly captaining these um passenger boats. You know him to be regularly captaining these boats. Why you thought he must have a license? >> Repeat yourself. >> You know is it that you're saying that he know you know he regularly captaining these passenger boats and therefore you thought he had a license? >> Yes. And how regularly would you say he captains boats? >> Well, as I said, that's don't care. That's like decades ago. But presently, as he owns his boat, I could attest that I haven't seen him drive a boat apart from his boat. That's what I could say. I haven't seen if he does it. Maybe at the moment, I didn't see. But I'm telling you, apart from his boat, cuz he drive his boat, he has his fishing boat where he go to sea. And I could see that, you know, apart from his boat, I haven't seen him drive any other boat to be honest with you. >> Yet you put him in charge of carrying nine passengers on your boat. >> Yeah. >> Cuz as I said, I know him to be driving boats. >> Yeah. what you said since he had his fishing boat, you hardly see driving boat. >> The guy's a guy's, as I said, the guy is well known for driving boats. I've known him for decades. As I said, he's drive boats bigger than what I gave him. So, he's more than capable than bringing those passengers cuz he's he drive boats bigger than my boat. Double engine, center console. >> Yeah. But for 11 years he was doing so without the legal authorization to do so. And you have engaged him without him having the legal authorization to be engaged in what you engaged him to do. Well, I wasn't a That's what I'm saying. I wasn't aware cuz he's not my captain. He's not my personal captain. I don't use him. I don't use him. As I tell you, the night it just happened that the other guy took his boat and went to the event. So I left with no choice and then we use him. He went. He's not my captain. >> And it never occurred to you to find out whether he's licensed to be on the water driving a boat like that. Never occurred to you to to do any checks or to inquire whether he's licensed to do what you were asking him to do. >> I've never made any check on whether he can do it. But from my knowledge, what I've seen, I gave him the benefit of the doubt that I know he can. So, as I said, that's what happened the night. And yeah, >> Mr. Pascal, you said at some point you would have asked Tyson to take it easy because you felt with the sea conditions he was operating a bit too fast. >> Yes, I did. >> Did he comply? >> Yes, he did immediately. Can you tell us by way of identifying a point a point along the shoreline a point along the coast where that would have happened? >> Um I'll say around Winjama area live wind jama. So it wasn't not it wasn't too far away from when we just left around Winjama area and about in terms of time about how long before the accident would you say that was? um be honest being honest from the time I told him not that we started driving he started driving at a more moderate speed so I think we took like maybe I'll say maybe close to an hour to reach before the the um the accident maybe 50 approximate 50 to an hour 50 minutes to an hour uh You indicated that one Mado would have been your lookout. >> Yes, I could attest to that. >> Where does the lookout usually place him or herself? Well, on that vessel, >> that specific individual, for some reason, I don't know, he loves sitting. There's I how would I explain it to the front of the boat, there's a seat before the bow, and there's a piece of stick, a line like this long. I think it's to to um adjust the boat or um make the boat like stronger, I think. So, they place a piece of fiberglass is seated right on top of that. So that's close to the top where he could see anything that come >> and I'm asking again during the journey >> and just prior to the accident was that where he was seated where you just described >> that's where he was seated from the time we left the port um Gul whatever the destination may And in your estimation, was could there have been anything impeding his view to the front? >> Repeat yourself. >> In your estimation, >> Mhm. >> is there any do you believe there could have been anything preventing him from seeing ahead? >> Um, no. where where he was seated. He could have seen anything. From your recollection, did Mado sound any warning to the captain of an oncoming vessel? >> No. Mr. Chair, um just for the record because I realize we are using aliases. Just for the record, I want to establish that Mado is one and the same as Janelle Butcher. >> His name >> Mado. You said his name is Mado. >> I want to establish that Mado and Janelle Butcher >> is one of the same person. >> He's the Janelle Butcher. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But you know Yeah. >> Yeah. So since you were using aliases, I just need for the record to establish that, please. >> Yeah, I don't know his government's name because you know what? And you say you are not a a boat captain? >> No, >> you do not hold a captain's license. >> No, only. Um, how experienced are you in terms of going out to sea during these commercial trips? >> How how often would you go out on your vessel during these commercial trips that you you >> I really go out on them as I said and and and unless it's an event I really want to go to and I plan on going to it, I wouldn't go. Now I want to I want to draw a distinction here. >> Yeah, no problem. >> Earlier you said that um the trip on the night in question was not commercial. >> Mhm. >> It was not a paid trip. Well, um, a two two or three. No, it was how would I say Taylor and her boyfriend, but Taylor was the person who gave me some funds for bringing them up. Because what what what the distinction I want to make, you said um you would sometimes or most times adhere to safety protocols such as briefings and the like. >> Mhm. >> When you have guests >> Mhm. >> on on trips. >> Mhm. >> I take it that that's for money. >> Mhm. >> When you have people on board for money. >> It's not for money. It's just I >> Listen listen closely. >> The night in question. >> Yeah. You said that one of your main reasons for not adhering to safety protocols was because it was a trip for fun. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. Not not no. You have it all wrong. Not because of that. >> Not totally wrong about that. I didn't meant that that way. At no point in time I said such. >> Okay. You said if we were operating commercially, I would do protocols. >> Mhm. >> That night we were going out to party. So I did not use the protocols. >> Yeah. But I didn't meant it that way where you know I just don't do protocols for locals and I only do it for >> No, I am I'm still going to ask you. >> Mhm. >> If all the locals on your boat on that night >> had paid you >> Mhm. >> had paid you for taking them to Gilelay and back >> you collected fees from them. >> Mhm. >> Would you have done the protocol? >> No. That's what I'm saying. Why? >> Cuz you know, as I tell you, it's just just something we just don't do within ourselves. That's what I'm trying to say. I said it earlier on. Just like indicating the lighthouse, that's something. It's a a weing. We don't do it. It's there. We the laws are there, but we don't do it. Like it's just within us. We don't do it. The majority, I could say that we don't adhere to the um the lighthouse. We don't inform the lighthouse. We don't we don't we don't inform them. We don't do safety briefings. We don't put live vest on passengers. We don't that's that's just a we thing. So it's not just me. I'm just saying like just something we you know that's we just have as a habit. >> And let me take you back to the lookout. In your estimation, you say that the lookout was seated in a position where ought where he ought to have been able to see everything happening ahead. >> Um, that's that I cannot tell you, but I know where he was sitting. He could have seen anything that coming in front of you. >> Yes. >> Would would would you be able to explain at all? And you said he never gave any warning to the captain. >> Pick up Adam. >> You said he never gave any warning to the captain >> because he never saw nothing appro approaching. >> Good. Would you be able to explain at all why that was? So maybe just >> Would you be able to explain at all why? Have you had any discussion with him on that? Would you be able to explain at all why he saw nothing? >> I cannot answer that. >> You cannot answer that. Have you had any discussion with him on it? >> Oh, Janelle. >> Yes. >> No. >> But I will ask you, you have a lookout who gave no warning to the captain. Your vessel is involved in a boating collision. >> Mhm. where four persons have lost their lives unfortunately. >> Mhm. >> And as the lookout, you have not made it your business to find out from him what happened on that night, what he saw, what he did not see. >> Well, the captain the captain think the captain asked him, you know, was he able to see anything? He said he never saw anything. But not you. You didn't have that conversation with him. >> No, I haven't. No. From where you were seated on the vessel, how far ahead of you could you have seen? >> Repeat yourself. >> From where you were seated >> on the vessel, how far ahead of you could you have seen? Um, well, the bow of the boat and the lights on the shoreline, not at the front of me because I couldn't see where I'm seated. I can I can see anything at the front of me. >> So you could not see beyond the bow? >> No, I couldn't see nothing beyond the bow. In your experience as a boat owner, as one who has been out there on the sea on similar trips, um, is it a common thing or should I say, do you know of any other instances where a lookout would be in your estimation perfectly placed? to possibly see what was happening ahead yet did not. Do you know of any other such incidents? Is it something common >> what this incident happened? >> No. No. That a lookout can be perfectly positioned on the vessel yet not able to pick up danger ahead. Is that something for for some reason in in in maritime travel that can happen? That is possible. >> Well, in the day in the daytime, well, in the night time, if person doesn't have a light that nowhere a lookout could see something that's coming, it doesn't have a light. >> But would that also not depend on visibility? Well, as I said, it was the visibility was a little a little poor as well, but it was enough to see. Was enough to see because as I said, I was seeing on the shoreline just that it was just dark that day. The visibility was enough to see. It was clear enough to see. But I'm asking have have you ever performed the role of a lookout? >> Um yes I before I become a boat owner have >> um at night around that same time. >> Daytime. >> Only daytime. >> Daytime. Yeah. Yeah. Can you describe the impact in terms of force? Well, as I said, in terms of force, I cannot answer that based on my hearing problem. So, as I said earlier on, I just heard a I heard a sound. I don't know how loud it was. >> Okay. So, let me let me ask you the question another way. >> So, the two vessels have collided. >> Mhm. >> How how heavy was you? I'm sure you would have jolted. You would have jerked. >> Yeah. I >> How how how heavy was that from your standpoint? >> And what rate you looking at like >> I don't know. You tell me. I I >> no but I I can just say because from where I was seated I was seated right um in front of the captain the seat in front of the console that's where I was seated after the impact I flew over onto the second seat. So just a seat apart from where I was seated. So you could just imagine the impact what that would send me over. >> Is that a seat forward or a sit back? >> No, a seat forward. >> A seat forward. We have the second seat. So after you asked your captain to slow down a near wind jammer, you said he complied. >> Yeah. Yeah, he did. He did. Did he at any point after that compliance after he slowed down? >> Mhm. >> Did he at any point increase his speed again? >> No, he didn't. Even um at the time when I tell him slow down, he did he he did slow down. And there was a next there was a next um how would I say that? There's a next time we had to stop to take the live vest for one of the guys that asked for the live vest. And that person would have asked for the life vest after you asked the captain to slow down. >> No, no, no, no. When I when I tell the captain slow down because of the swells of the sea, he didn't ask for it. You know, he asked for it maybe I'll say 10 20 minutes after. >> Yeah, that's what I'm asking. So, he would have asked for the life vest after you asked the captain to slow down >> after. Not immediately, but after. Yeah, after. >> It wasn't even the one who asked me for the live vest. It was his girlfriend that asked me for the live saw him which was Taylor. >> What's the girlfriend's name? >> Taylor River. >> Taylor. >> Taylor. Yeah. Heat. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Pascal. >> You're welcome. >> Yeah, Mr. Excuse me. I want to come back to to the issue of the person who captained your boat and what you did or did not do. >> Mhm. I am concerned about the fact that you had somebody captain in your boat carrying nine persons on board the boat whose captain's license expired 9 11 years ago. >> Mhm. And you did nothing to you did no sort of check or nothing to ascertain whether this person in whose hands you were putting nine persons had the authority to drive that boat. >> But what I'm saying is that I'm not aware that he doesn't have a license for period of time. You did nothing to ascertain to to ensure that before you put the lives of nine persons in the hands of this man that he was in fact qualified to captain a boat. Well, at at that time, as I said, it's you know, event we going to and it's not, you know, people we we um how would I say guess about you speak about this as if well, I mean, since it's a fat you're going to, >> it's it's not as if people's lives are involved in that. Four people died, you know, as a result of that collision. >> It's nothing to be taken lightly, you know, that yeah, we're just going to affect. So, that's okay. It's not okay. Security briefings and safety protocols. Safety briefings and protocols are to be carried out precisely to avoid what happened happening. It doesn't matter whether you're talking about tourists or persons you're doing chores from or your best friends and neighbors and family members. I understood >> what matters is that the lives of nine persons are on the line and you have you have engaged a person to captain the boat to carry those nine persons to and from um Suare and and Gile without ascertaining whether that person was legally qualified to do so. >> Yes. But as I said earlier on, I understood clearly what you were saying. But the time, as I said, Tyson is not my captain. He's not my captain. >> Yes, he was your captain on that night when you engaged him to entrust nine lives in his hands. He was your captain. You caused him to become your captain 11 years after he ceased to be legally entitled to do so. Also, you were purchasing alcoholic beverages no less than four for that person in whose hands you were going to entrust the nine lives. You also did not cause any security, any safety briefings or protocols to be followed. You also did not cause the nine people on board to to wear life live life jackets or even to make them aware that they should do so. Apart from one man who whose girlfriend said he couldn't swim and asked for a life vest for him. These are very very serious matters and I'm a little concerned that you seem to treat them as if we were just going to a fence. So that's okay. Four people died. >> Yeah. You said that Mavado was seated in a position where he could see anything. >> Yeah, but I've seen what's coming ahead. If there is a a boat coming in the opposite direction coming directly towards your boat >> and with a lookout who could see anything ahead of him would he or should he not have seen that boat? uh with the visibility not being as I said it was a visibility for the night as I said I'm not sure for him if you could have seen it but he said he didn't see anything >> well you said that where he was seated he could see anything >> yeah he could have seen anything that come his way >> if that person had lights but there's no lights you cannot see anything >> so you're saying that if that oncoming boat had light, >> he would have been able to see it. >> And you're saying without that, >> without the boat having the navigation lights, >> he would not have been able to see it even as it approached your boat directly. >> Well, from where he was sitting, that question would have to be something you ask him because where he was seated, he alone could see what he could see. >> Yeah. with you. I'm going on your statement. >> Mhm. >> That from where Mavado was sitting, >> he could see anything. >> Yeah. Because where he was, >> this is what you said. >> Mhm. >> Cuz where he was seated, um, well, let's let me refuse. I would assume he can see whatever's coming in front of him. I'll retract my statement. >> Okay. >> I would assume you'll be able to see what's coming ahead of him. And if the boat had navigation lights >> Mhm. >> you would say that there's no way he would not have seen it. >> No way. >> And if it did not have navigation lights and you had navigation lights >> and he was at that well pushed where he was, do you >> on the other boat? >> Do you believe that he may still have been able to see that other boat coming even without its navigation light? >> You mean like if he was on the other boat? >> No. No. He seated in a position on your boat. Mhm. >> where he can see anything. >> Mhm. >> I'm asking you whether even if that oncoming boat did not have navigation lights on, >> could he would he have discerned an oncoming uh object coming towards your boat? >> That from some distance away? >> That I cannot answer for you because as I said, he's the one that seen he could tell you what he could have possibly seen. But I know on that night it was a bit visible. So that question in regards to Mo I cannot answer it. Cannot answer it if he could have seen. I just know for sure where he was seated if there was any oncoming thing with lights he would have seen. >> So you've altered it really to say that that from where he was seated he could see any oncoming object with lights. >> With lights. But in terms of whether he might have seen that oncoming uh vessel without lights, you're saying that part >> I cannot answer. >> I cannot answer that because >> that's adequate. >> Yeah, >> Mr. Pascal, who is the registered B boat master for your vessel? Um, so with that being said, Daryl is my captain, registered captain, but I think the time I was supposed to reg um, how would I say it? Go to slasper, they was asking me for um, I think a grid two uh, grid two or grid grid three or grid two captain. And then at that point I end up um because I wanted to insure the boat. So I end up calling um Graham Mafra. Graham Mafra I could recall that I end up he has a higher grid than Dariel. So I end up putting him as the captain and I had um Darl as the crew. >> Right. So, you said on the night of the incident? >> Mhm. >> Your regular captain could not go because he went with his own boat. >> Yeah, he went with his own boat. >> Who is your regular captain? >> Well, it's Darla. Daryl what? Daryl Paul. So you're saying in the statement just prior that you could not have registered and inshot the boat >> with Daryl because of his level boat license. Yes, that's >> so you used Graham Matthew. >> Yes. >> However, you continue to use Darl Paul who because of his the level of his license certification >> would not have been accepted as the boat captain. >> Mhm. >> You agree? >> Repeat yourself. >> I am saying you could not have registered Darl Paul >> as the boat captain. >> Yeah. because of the level of his certification. >> Yes, the captain. >> Is that correct? >> Yes. >> That that Slasper and the insurance would not accept Daryl Paul. >> No, no, not the insurance. The insurance accept him. It's just um Slasper. >> So, Slasper would not >> Slasper tell me um my captain need a um license certificate like a grade two or grade whatever. Okay, good. So, Darl Paul did not have that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you used Graham Matthew >> Mhm. >> to get the boat registered. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> But yet continued with Darl Paul >> who is not certified. >> He's certified. >> Yeah. But let's go again. >> He's certified and he could he could operate in the waters. >> Okay. So, why? >> They just asked me that. I don't know for what reason. They just tell me um my captain needs like a grid too, but he could operate in the waters. He could operate in the waters. So that is something we we that is something we need some clarity on, Mr. um >> Yes, you could you could clarify with them. He could operate in a waters. He's >> Yeah, but but he's still not registered as your boat captain. >> Repeat yourself. >> He's not registered as your boat captain. >> He's still he's not registered >> as your boat captain. Graham Matthew is the boat master, isn't he? >> Yes, he is. >> Graham Matthew, you have Darl Paul registered as crew. >> Yes, at the time. >> Therefore, >> Mhm. >> he cannot be your regular captain. >> And he is, >> but he's not registered as your boat captain. >> Yes, but he's not registered. But he's legit. He could still run in the water. I am still asking if he was legit why would Slasp refuse him. >> You asked that question to you would take that into um Slash bags them why that you all have to make that research. I don't know. I don't know for what reason they told me such >> yeah he has yeah he would >> that's not a question I could answer why. >> So yeah but Darl Mafi Darl Paul >> Paul has a boat license. Yeah, he's like, >> but not at a level that's last accepted. >> He he has a level three, I think. >> I don't know what level they accept you to drive at cuz I've never gone to a boat captain license, but I know for sure you do have a license. >> Okay, so it says Graham Matthew certified boat license grade 3 expiry date 289 2026. So it means therefore that what certified crew won. So it means therefore that whatever whatever level of certification that Darl Paul has is is lower or of lesser certification than Graham Matthew >> but he can still operate. That's what I'm saying. My interest here is why would Slasper not have registered him as your boat master? >> But that question I cannot answer that question. You have to ask Slasper. They do the laws. I don't know. >> So I am still saying owing to the fact that Daryl Paul is not registered as your boat master. >> He cannot be your regular captain >> or should not be your regular captain or cannot be. I think I used the right term in the first instance. He cannot be your regular boat captain. >> Yep. >> Are you agreeing with me? >> That's the law and I agree. >> But I know once you have a a a captain like >> So So you are saying that Darl Paul has his own boat. >> Bigger P. >> Darl Paul has his own boat. >> Yeah, you do have a boat right now. >> He owns a boat. >> Yeah, he has. >> And he captains his boat. >> Well, yeah, he has a boat. You have seen him captain his own boat. >> Well, a dingy has how you call it those small mini boats. Those dingies. That's what >> So why is it? Well, I can't ask you that because we do not know. We need to see his certification now. Um I suspect very much the same as you did not know. Tyson did not have a valid license. You do not know of the licensing position of Darl Paul either. M no I know Darl has a license captain license. >> How would you know? >> Cuz he works for me is present. He had to present it to me for me to send to Slasper. I've registered my boat as Darl Paul as my captain with no issue with Slasper. I just just recently they just tell me that um Darl will need a higher grade or whatever they said. But I've always Daryl have been my captain for two three years with no issue. He's been the one on my insurance as the captain and you could check the files. >> And we and we talking about the same vessel. >> Yes. >> An upgrade to your vessel that would have caused you to ask him for an upgrading license. >> No, cuz Junior I haven't upgraded my boat. That's the only boat I've I've bought and that's the only boat I have right now. So how would it be upgraded? Daryl Paul have been my captain for two three years now. From the time I started operating, Daryl has been the one as the captain. So I don't that's why I try and understand >> did not register him as your captain as a captain because he he was not to the requisite grade. >> Well, >> isn't that what you said? Yes, that's what that's what they said. >> Yeah, that's what you told us. We haven't we haven't heard from Slasbar. We're hearing from you >> and you are saying that Slasbar would not register him as your boat captain because he did not have the required level of certification. >> Well, that's well I that's what I assume. Yes, that's what they said. >> And yet despite Slasper not registering him as captain because he did not have the required level of certification, you engaged him as your captain. >> Yes. because he do have a license to operate and he has the license to operate in the waters as well. That's what I'm saying. >> Yes. But Slasper declined to register him as a boat captain. >> Mhm. >> Because he did not have the required level of certification. >> Mhm. >> That is what you have said. I have not I've not said so. But despite that you felt comfortable engaging him as a captain despite what Slasper which is the authority on those matters. >> Let me let me add to that. >> Just just hold on. Despite what Slasper has said which is the authority on those matters. It's okay. I mean he's been driving your boat so it's okay. He can continue to do that notwithstanding that Slasper has declined to register him. >> Yes. >> I mean Mr. Pascal what I you have to take this thing very seriously you know. >> Yes but I am but what I'm >> like your livelihood might depend on it people lives might depend on it not livelihood lives >> and I I do happen to find you a little casual >> given the enormity of the situation that we're dealing with further question. So again, let me let me just warn you that Graham Matthews boat license has expired on the 28th of September this year. >> Mhm. I'm not aware of it. Yeah, I'm just telling you now >> cuz he's >> the the the the other discrepancy I notice here, the expiration date of your >> certificate of inspection is November 22nd, 2026, >> which is next month. But yet the boat license of the captain expires before that. >> Mhm. The boat captain's license expired last month, September, but the his boat is licensed or certified until November 22nd, which is next month. >> But that's why I'm saying Graham, we just >> we use I just use Graham. Graham is not my captain. He never drives for me. >> So, Mr. In your estimation, can can that happen that the boat is allowed to be certified until but the captain >> it can happen? But it's like my it's it's like my car it's like my car being insured or they don't run commensurate. They don't usually they can't run commensurate. The >> driver's license expire can expire before the insurance. Yeah. But but you need to check on Mr. Louis on Mr. Graham Matthew. >> Make a pan. >> You need to check on Mr. Graham Matthew because his his license expired last month. >> You need to check on him. >> You the captain in your boat. >> But no, he Graham Charles. I used Graham Charles. I've never used Graham Charles to drive my boat. You just use his name to get your license. >> Yes. >> But you never use it. >> You never drive that boat. >> You never use him to actually do what you in the put on the the phone. just use his name. I, you know, I just use his name. I He never drive my boat. >> Thank you, Mr. Pascal. >> You're welcome. >> Good day, Mr. Pascal. How are you? How are you? >> I'm good. >> Okay. So I have I have a bit of an interesting view into what you were discussing. But even before I go through my questions to you, I want to bring something to your attention. as the owner of a vessel. And by reason of law, there is a certain level of responsibility that you have on your hand being the owner of a vessel. And that law reads that nothing in those rules or the laws, excuse shall exonerate any vessel, the owner, the master, the crew, or the crew thereof from the neglect, the consequences of any neglect to comply with the law or the neglect of any precautionary measure. which may be required by the ordinary practice of seammanship and the special circumstances. So if I may bring you closer to what our chairman was trying to get from you and Commissioner Defrites is that you are fully aware as the owner of the vessel that the person in which you register the vessel to be the captain >> Mhm. >> is not the one operating the vessel. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> I cannot hear you sir. Yes. Right. >> You are also aware that the person who is operating the vessel is not qualified to do so because the sole authority to give that responsibility is Flasper and he was denied. >> You are aware. >> I'm not aware of >> the person operating currently. You are aware that he's not the person because you use the other person to get through. >> Is that correct? >> Repeat. Repeat that statement. >> The person you have Just one second. Let me refer to the documents. Kazola Jr. know that Mr. Hippolit the registered captain. Thank you. according to the the paper from the St. Lucia and support authority the direct the division of maritime affairs right you Irenus Pascal have registered as the master of the vessel the person in charge of that vessel whose lives are dependent upon >> as Grum's Matthew Mhm. >> That's correct. >> Mhm. But you clearly stated that Mr. Matthew is >> important verbally. >> We need to hear. >> Oh, okay. Understood. >> Yeah, I understood. >> Right. So you have on the division of maritime affairs from the St. Lucia and support authority which is commonly called Slasper >> that you are the lawful owner of Kazola Jr. is that correct? Yes, I am. >> You have on that same document stamped the 22nd of May, 2026, that the operator, the master, the person with the responsibility for the nine lives you had >> Mhm. >> on the vessel that night in question >> Mhm. >> was supposed to be Mr. Graham Graham Matthew. >> Mhm. >> Is that correct? >> Well, if that's what stated. Yes. No, that is what you have because your signature is also on that document, remember? >> Yes. >> And you had another individual operating the vessel >> which is not what you have the person you have as the master of the vessel. >> Understood? But you would also be aware that in so doing you would have according to the laws engaging the master the captain of a vessel that by doing so on the 18th of July 2026 that you would have endangered the life of all the sea users and resulting in the death of four individual. I'm listening. It was a question. I thought it you was continuous me. I didn't take it as a question. Thank you. So, I'm still going back to navigational terms with you and I believe Commissioner Defrites was trying to understand what you were not bringing out. Your vessel is equipped with a 115 horsepower 115 or 150. >> 150 >> 150. >> Yes. >> You clearly indicated to commissioner defes that you took about 50. Just one second. 50 to an hour. >> 50 to 1 hour from when I tell the guy to stop. That's after not from the destination to the collision. >> So we for the records we want to indicate that >> from win jama to the collision. >> Yeah. You didn't ask that question. You only asked after I told the guy to um um um take it easy. That's where that's the question you asked. You never asked me from the destination to the collision how long I took. >> We we are getting there. We getting there. What was that? I thought >> So for the purpose of this sitting, we would label um Rodney Bay as point A. >> Mhm. >> We would register the point of the collision as point B. >> Mhm. >> For clear guidance. So from point A to point B, how long did your vessel take to travel that distance? >> Um your own estimate. >> We left we left around a little like after 10 collision happened around 11:55. So I think we take like hour plus total to get to the collision cuz as I said we were going at a moderate speed. We we didn't have much speed. So from point A to point B, I'll say roughly an hour plus cuz we left Robo Grizzly >> for like after 10. After 10:00 >> closer to 11 or closer to >> Yeah, around like 10:45 there about 10:45 >> and the collision happened like 11:55. >> So that would be an hour >> like an hour plus approximately an hour plus >> including the stop. >> Yeah, including the stop and everything. So visibility was poor as you indicated. Yeah. >> But did you see it? >> Mhm. >> Did you see Furo rock? Barl O. You familiar with that area? >> Repeat yourself. >> There's a rock called Furo Rock or Barl Obif. It's the rock in the water between >> Well, where I was seated, you know, I'm a short individual. Where I was seated, I was seated right in front of the console. So I couldn't have seen much. you know, my focus I was just watching in front of my boat, you know, and sometimes I'd watch on the shoreline where I could have seen lights. >> Okay. So, you did not see that rock? >> I didn't. >> But would you you are familiar with that area? >> I'm aware of that. I know what you're talking the big rock outside of Brazil. >> Outside of Win Jama that area just >> Yes, we pass >> between we pass to the shoreline like close to the shoreline. But this light, you did not see the rock, but the rock is fitted with a flashing light. >> I didn't see the I didn't see that rocket. And Slasper ensure that that light I think you have two flashes every 5 seconds to indicate the presence of the rock. It's what you call a navigational aid, but you did not see it. >> Well, I didn't. >> So, my other question to you, you did not see the rock, but you had Mr. your lookout. >> Mhm. >> Sitting almost on the bow. >> Mhm. >> Did he receive any major injury? >> Did he receive any >> any major injury as a result of the accident? Actually, >> um from what I saw, yeah, he had received some blows to his his knee. He had a um how you call that? Uh how you calling that? A crutch. He had a crutch. But those guys don't take those things serious. He he I saw he was in I saw he had some some some >> some injuries. So from what commissioner defes was asking you we were trying and we are still trying to establish how could someone sit at that point if you look at the magnitude. Have you seen your vessel since the accident? Have you seen your boat since the accident? >> Repeat yourself. >> Have you seen your boat since the accident? >> Yes I've seen Well, I've seen pictures. The boat itself. Have you seen it? >> Yeah, I've seen pictures. >> The boat. Have you seen the boat itself? The boat. The physical boat. >> Like which boat? My boat or your boat? >> Your boat. >> My boat. I've seen it on photo on on phone. >> But you've not seen the boat itself? >> No, I haven't gone to see the boat ever since. But if you look at the magnitude of the destruction or the the damage to the boat, the entire portion of the bow towards the starboard side, which is the Raj side, is damaged, which means your lookout would have received severe damage or possibly died during the collision. >> Well, on what side it was? He was on the left hand side. The impact was more like on the on the right hand side. He was on that side of the boat. They say that's the boat. He was on that side. All impact was there. He was one of the guys who flew outside of the boat. He was flew outside of the boat from the impact. >> But it it still does not give us the idea how he could have been seated in a specific area. >> Mhm. >> And would not have seen anything. And to compound the matter, you have not found it fit to ask him as the boat owner because that would have been your responsibility. >> Mhm. >> So would you say that you have failed in your responsibility? You would agree with me that you have >> I feel >> just wait. You would have agree with me that you have failed with your responsibility to ask the lookout what did he see? Did he see anything or what happened? Well, as I said, I haven't asked him, but from what the cap the captain has been questioning him and he's been saying that he didn't see anything. That's what he's been saying. But for me to go and ask him any question, I haven't asked him any question. But the captain did. >> So I am speaking in the context of you as the owner of the vessel. >> Mhm. >> Because remember here four individual lost their lives. Mhm. >> And to me, from the 18th of July to now, it would be rather strange that you have not as your lookout anything concerning what he may have seen or not. July, August, September, October. Well, as I said, I heard cuz we always among each other and you know, sometimes the topic come ups and you know, so I've known you know what was being said. But for me see I asked him I have not but I've already heard like what transpired like if if he saw anything if he didn't see anything and you know what he's been saying he didn't see anything coming. >> So we remain on navigational terms because the lookout failed. >> Mhm. >> The lights apparently did not assist. So I am going on basic navigational procedures with you. >> Mhm. If your vessel were traveling at how many RPMs did you say? >> I'm not sure. I'm not the captain to be honest. I didn't say how many RPM it was traveling. I've never said I've never said that. >> Okay. >> I've never never said boots traveling at whatever RPM. I haven't said that. I'm not the captain. >> So, you have no idea. Have you ever driven that vessel? >> Well, I've driven it. I've driven it, but I don't know how much RPM he was driving at that night. >> Because based on based on what based on what you're trying to describe here is that if you use the basic navigational calculations >> Mhm. >> the speed, the time, the distance is not matching. It's not >> like what speed and what that not matching. I haven't said anything about speed. I said the guy was driving at a moderate speed. Well, yes, we were driving at a moderate speed and that's the time we took. That's the time it happened. So maybe I might like the time phrase we left maybe might be wrong because I say approximately, you know, I wasn't cuz at the time that happened there sometimes you wouldn't check your time to see what time you left. It's just assuming like what time we left. So on my ends, you know, you cannot blame me because I at the moment when we left, I didn't check time. I just said, you know, we left around >> approximately 10:45. >> Yeah, around that time. So it could be. But would it would it always take you an hour, hour and 15 minutes from Gilelay to Sufre? >> Well, it depend on how you move. If it's a direct ride sometimes from suare to run there depend on the water some it will take you maybe an hour 30 minutes hour 25 it depend how you moving what engine not behind you you understand it depend it depend how fast you going what stops you making so it depend So, and I'm still I I'm still telling you that the the time the distance times multiply time speed is distance. >> Distance. If you're an owner of a boat, this it's simple calculation. >> Mhm. If you travel from point A to point B at such a speed, it will take you that amount of time. >> Yeah. Well, as I said, where we left from point A, it was about that time. Approximately that time when we get to the place when the incident happened, most people say it was around 11:55. But I'm saying what I could assume how long we take from point A to point B, I'd say within the range of 50 to an hour. Around that. >> 50 to an hour. >> Yes. >> So what did you do immediately upon impact? >> Um >> as the owner of the vessel. >> Well um what happened? Tyson. Tyson end up going assist after we heard some help. >> What did you do? >> That's what I'm saying. >> You What did you do? >> I went behind the I went behind the stair. I went behind the stair and try and bring the boat closer to shore cuz there was still passengers on board. So my intention was to try and bring the boat closer. So I went behind the stair. um Jonel which is Movado went behind the um the engine because at the time the steering it wasn't turning like everything had already disconnected but the engine was still on so Jel Movado went on control but I wasn't putting too much speed because you know the power of the 150 so you know I went at a little speed to try and reach closer to shore you know but we did not reach too far the boat end Same. >> Did you try to reach anybody >> like call? >> Yes. Um, so when the boat sunk, I grab a live vest and then I swim to the nearest boat which was a a catamaran or yacht. >> Okay. >> Or you may call it. >> Okay. Understood. >> Went to there. So that's it. >> No. No. In terms of did you try to reach anybody? They were not going into. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So when I reached there, that's why I started making some calls. There was a guy with a phone. >> I called my auntie. First person I called was my auntie and tell her that happened. So yes, I did make calls. >> But as a boat owner, you would be you would be um you should be familiar with the first person you call is 999 911, the emergency services. So even if you call 999 or 911 and you explain to them what happened, they would pass you on to the marine unit, the ancillary suare police and so on. The emergency services is the first person you call because you have nine persons whose life is in danger, not your auntie. >> Yeah, but at the time at the time panic mode and and and that's the only number I could remember. I didn't remember no police >> 911 and 91. I'm just telling you you telling me that there at the moment but in the event the the moment that happening there sometimes panic you know you you traumatize you you think is is your closest person you'll think to call so I call my auntie that's who I thought of that's the number I remembered at the time I called my auntie Because what what is key for me based on what Commissioner DJ the chairman and um commissioner defes have asked you is in terms of the documentation and the processes that that have gone by the way. But still for that we are trying to have you understand or probably put it in the open that despite all of that it it seems to be very casual for you seems to be >> very casual the the mood and all of that it seems to be I am not sure if I am mistaken in my interpretation of your composure but it seems to be a very casual one that like casual about the situation. >> Yes. >> Uh no, I wouldn't say such. >> I think um there may be other questions but um Mr. Chair probably at another One more. Yeah, thank you for your evidence. Um, I do know do hope that you've taken note of a number of things which which came from us. I'm hoping that you did take note of a number of things that were put to you or questions asked of you because there are it you may have given the impression I'm sure unintentionally but you may have given the impression that you you were a little casual about this and there yeah I'm not casual about it >> and there is nothing casual in this situation I'm saying I I doubt if you intended to convey that but I'm telling you what came across to us there is that you were a little casual. You know, we do that with story. >> That's what you took it as. But no, >> I I'm speaking I'm speaking and I'm telling you how you came across to the commission as being a little casual about the procedures that yes, you're supposed to do that, but we do that with with guests, but we don't do that uh with with with locals. Um yes. Well, that's the what you that's what you say, that's what the papers say. This is much more serious than that. As I indicated, not just we have we have the lives of four people who were lost as a result of the collision and we have a number of incidents that have taken place, maritime incidents and accidents. All of this opportunity is being taken to explore all of that and to see what it is that has been done wrong and right and how we can correct it. And you are a boat operator and you should more than any of us here be taking this situation very very seriously. >> The impact it can have on your livelihood and on the lives of others. And as I said, this is what you were giving off to us. Doesn't mean that as you sat there, that is what you intended. But in terms of the way in which you were answering questions, I'm just telling you, you were giving off, you know, let's use colloquial terms. You were giving off a vibe. That wasn't good. That wasn't cool. >> Yeah. >> No, but that's the honest truth. I You wanted me to lie about the whole situation. I just we clearly not understanding each other. >> Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm casual like I answering the things like you know I don't it's not like I don't care and I'm casual about it. I'm just being realistic about you know how everything happened and what happened. It's not like I I casual about that's what you take it but that's not what it is with me. >> Yeah. And I'm just telling you that that you were coming off in that way. That as much as I want to think that you did not intend to come off that way, that you were coming off that way. I say this for your your benefit, for your guidance, you're in a a business that that things are happening that can cause modes of operation, operational practices, procedures, regulations, legislation to be altered based on what happened. and what should have happened and what didn't happen and you you should take very seriously this incident not just for it and of itself but for the whole future of the business that you you involved in. So I want to I want to take the opportunity to tell you those things. you are a boat owner, a boat operator and what as I said what has happened not just what has happened in this incident is extremely serious but there are other things that have happened or not happened uh which this commission will address and is addressing so just be mindful of that as I said and and be very much aware that we're into some serious serious what is it pun intended okay is there anything you wanted to say to to the commission before you end your your evidence? >> Uh, not really. >> Very well. >> Not really. >> Very well. You it is possible that you may be recalled at some stage. If that is being done, you will be appropriately informed and appropriately summoned in the event that anything arises that causes the commission to require further evidence from you. >> Very well. >> Yeah. So the business of this commission is adjourned until tomorrow morning at 10:00. >> Thank you, Mr. Pascal.\n","preamble":"# Commission of Inquiry PT III Oct 13 2026\n\n","segmentation":"Starting after the first blank line, treat the opening text as turn 1 and every >> delimiter as the beginning of the next turn. Accumulate complete turns until the contiguous block is at least 1,000 Unicode characters long; then begin a new block. Keep final short block. Number P3-001 onward. Secondary P3-U0001 onward units split the complete source on >> and trim surrounding whitespace; their source offsets remain exact. 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Thank you for joining us this morning. We are going to continue the proceedings as we ended yesterday in hearing witness testimony from a number of witnesses who were on this occasion aboard the vessel Cazorla Jr the number of persons who have come in to give witness testimony this morning chair. So we will commence um immediately.\n- **[00:00:57]** >> Let me just take the opportunity to uh say to those who have been there from before uh 10:00 that we did have a a delay for for a cause why it is we were not able to start uh exactly at 10:00. So those of you who were waiting before and who who might legitimately be disappointed that we didn't start on time, uh please accept our apologies. And it was no in no way deliberate or disrespectful of the persons who were there waiting. Very well. >> Thank you, chair. Our first witness this morning is Miss Taylor Rivier. She was a passenger on the vessel Cazorla Jr She\n- **[00:01:42]** will be sworn in so she can give her testimony. Is she passing your ocean village? Ocean angel. Yes. Is she Was she an ocean angel? Kaz trying to speak into say your name. >> I, Taylor Rivier, do solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. Have a seat. Try to be as close as possible to them. Has indicated that while she may have given a statement to the police, we are not in possession of said document. So\n- **[00:02:59]** we will have to proceed without a written document statement from her. Yeah. >> Very well. Yes. Good morning to you, Miss River. First, could you state your name, address, and occupation? >> My name is Taylor Rivier. I live development Soufriere. And I >> You live where? >> New development. >> And I work as a spa receptionist. Now, please remember to always speak into the microphone so that we can all hear you clearly.\n- **[00:03:48]** >> Sure. >> You remember the 18th of July, 2026? >> Yes. >> And where did you go on that evening, the night of of 18th July 2026? Did you go onto a boat that that night? >> Uh yes, we did a round trip to a carnival event called Remedy on that date. >> Okay. On that day, a round trip, a round trip to >> Pen Island. >> Okay. Let's tell us how where that trip\n- **[00:04:33]** started. Did the trip start in Soufriere or in or in Gary? >> Uh we started at Soufriere. We left around almost close to 4:30. >> Okay, just a minute. The trip started at Soufriere close to 4:30. On what vessel did you travel to Su from Soufriere? I did not know the name of the boat at the time, but Mago's boat. >> I'm sorry. >> Mr. Pascal's boat. >> You do not know the name of it up to now? >> Cazorla Junior.\n- **[00:05:13]** >> Okay. So the the trip started at Soufriere and you went to Pigeon Pine. >> Yes. >> And the trip started around 4:30 p.m. from Soufriere. >> Yes. >> Do you recall what time you all got to Pigeon Point? >> Uh, no, not sure. But it was after 5, probably minutes to 6. >> I'm sorry. You you moved away from the mic a little. Yeah, >> after five, probably minutes to 6. >> Okay.\n- **[00:06:16]** And where where did you go when you reached grocery? >> We went to Pigeon Island. At the time the fete was Remedy >> and you say it was a round trip. So does that suggest that you went from pigeon point you went back to Soufriere? >> Yes. >> Or you were headed back to Soufriere? >> Yes. And about what time did you leave Pigeon Point? Do you recall? >> Uh probably close to 11. A little after 11. And do you recall how many persons were\n- **[00:07:27]** on that boat JR headed from Pigeon Point to Soufriere? >> I don't remember the exact amount. So I can estimate maybe seven or eight. And did you know the names of the persons who were on the boat on the way from Pigeon Point to Soufriere. >> Uh, not everyone. >> Which which persons you knew who were on the >> I knew Margo as Mr. Pascal, Romeon Sawyer as >> Just a minute. I knew Mr. Pascal. Who again? >> Romeon Lester.\n- **[00:08:36]** >> Yes. >> And I'm not sure the direct names of anybody else. So you knew Mr. Pascal, you knew Romeonon, you knew Netor Lester. Sorry. >> Yes. >> You know there were other people. >> Yes. >> But you do not know their names. >> I just don't recall now. Do you know whether somebody called Jeepierre Ralph Edward? Do you know whether there was that person was on the boat? >> I don't know anybody by that name.\n- **[00:09:38]** >> Okay. >> Do you know someone by the name of Janelle Butcher? No. >> No. >> Well, I know the guys. I just don't know their names. >> Okay. Do you know somebody by the name Chris Christ? >> No. >> So, you know the other guys, but you just don't know their names. >> No. So when you were on Cazorla Jr. headed back to Soufriere from Pigeon\n- **[00:10:32]** Point with about seven or eight person other persons on the boat. Uh you you knew the names of three of those persons. The others you knew them but you did not know their names. What happened along the way during that trip from Pigeon Point to Soufriere? >> Uh well it was a quiet trip just before the accident. Romeonon asked for a life jacket. I >> just a minute. It was a quiet trip just before the accident. >> And you said somebody asked for a life jacket? Yes. >> Who is the person who asked for a life\n- **[00:11:13]** jacket? >> Romeonon. >> Romeonon asked for a life jacket. >> And I went ahead and asked Mr. Pascal for it. You went to ask Mr. Pascal for the life jacket for Romeon? Yes. Not for yourself? >> No. Any reason why you didn't ask for a life jacket for yourself? >> Well, it's not my first time on a boat. It's the norm that we we're used to the water and we can swim. So, we don't normally wait.\n- **[00:12:11]** >> So, >> as needed, >> I did not ask for a life jacket for myself because it is not my first time on Do you say on a boat or on the boat? Uh So you say it was not your first time on a boat. You can swim. >> Yes. You said it is the norm. >> Yes. >> That nobody had life jackets. Is that what is it a norm that you do not wear a life jacket or is a norm that when people are on the boat traveling that\n- **[00:13:02]** they do not wear life jackets? >> I will speak for only myself. the norm for me. You apart from bringing a life jacket to Romeon, did you see any other persons with life jackets? >> No. Have you ever worn a life jacket on one of these trips? >> If I have, it's been a very long time. >> But it may be that you never wore one at all. >> Possibly not. Yes. Now you said this was just before the accident.\n- **[00:14:31]** >> Yes. Uh could you tell us about the accident? >> Uh sure. So maybe 5 minutes after giving him the life jacket. >> About 5 minutes after you took the life jacket for Romeon. >> Yes. >> Uh we heard a loud sound. Next thing we knew, we were in the water. Now, when you said we heard a loud sound, would I be correct in saying that that means you heard a loud loud sound and you believe others might have as well? Yes. So you heard a loud sound. You believe\n- **[00:16:05]** others might have heard it as well. And the next thing you you know you were in the water. You and the others were in the water. >> Uh yes. >> And how did you get from the boat into the water? Did you jump off the boat and go into the water? >> Uh no. We flew out on impact. Yeah. So, you heard this loud sound. You're in the water. Y'all had flown out of the or you all were flown out of the water on impact. What happened from there? After a few seconds of getting our\n- **[00:17:05]** bearings, I noticed my leg was broken. I told Rian and he was calling for help. >> So after a few seconds, it appeared that your leg was broken. >> Yeah. >> So it appeared that your leg was broken and you did what? He was calling out for help. >> He Sorry. He meaning >> Romeon was calling out for help. >> Yes. After that, when he noticed the boat we were on was not able to come to us, we decided to swim to the half of the other boat, Ocean Angel. So when you you noticed that the boat\n- **[00:18:20]** was not able to come for you all and you did what? >> We swam over to the broken piece of ocean angel which was closer than the other boat. So that broken piece of ocean angel, you said at that time it was closer to to y'all than was the the boat you you came from. >> Yes. Okay. So, you you all swam to Ocean Angel. And what happened then? >> Um, on our way to Ocean Angel, Tyson jumped in to help us get there. >> On our way to Ocean Angel.\n- **[00:19:30]** Tyson did something. >> He jumped into the water to help us get to the boat cuz he heard that my leg was broken. Ouch. So Tyson jumped in the water to assist you all and Yes. And what happened? Did Tyson What did Tyson do in relation to you? >> Uh he was pulling us to Ocean Angel >> pulling y'all Y'all were on the water swimming and he was pulling. >> Yeah. >> How many of y'all? Just roomian and I so he was pulling you all towards the\n- **[00:20:53]** ocean angel the the piece of it that you all were seeing. When you all got to that piece of Ocean Angel, what happened? >> Uh, we went on top of it. We sat down. >> And by we, you meaning this you and Romeon >> and Tyson. >> Yeah. Yes. What next happened? >> Um, from there I slid back into the water. >> You slipped back? You said >> I slipped back into the water. Yeah. of your own valition or you you slid yourself back into the water.\n- **[00:21:57]** >> Uh, no. I lost balance and I slipped off. >> Okay. >> Just decided to stay there in case the boat tipped over again. >> In case the boat Sorry, >> I decided to stay there in case the boat tipped over again. And when you say decide to stay there, you mean stay in the water? >> Yeah. What happened next? You decided to stay in the water in case the boat tipped over again. >> Yeah. So from there\n- **[00:22:51]** Romeonon asked who can we call I gave him my father's number. >> So Romeonon asked you that >> in general he asked who can we call >> and you gave him your father's number? >> Yes. Why your father's number? >> I knew he would pick up and I knew he had the right connections to make a call quickly. And what next happened? >> Uh, whilst doing so, Dylan was standing on top of the boat with his lights looking for >> Who was doing that?\n- **[00:24:02]** >> Dylan. >> But Dylan was standing on top of his boat. >> The piece of boat. Yeah, he was on the same piece as us. Just >> a minute. So Dylan joined you all. >> He was already there when we got there. He was already there as well as Roxan and maybe one or two other persons. So Dylan Roxan and maybe one or two other persons were already on\n- **[00:24:44]** the piece of boat. So, what next happened? Um, Jaylen, Roxan, and maybe one or two other persons are on this piece of boat, the same piece of boat that you were on before you slipped. >> Yeah. >> And that Tyron and who again? You said >> Tyson. Uh, Dylan was looking for his other passengers. And from there, Romeon was on a back and forth call with my father. We were giving details on our location and what happened.\n- **[00:26:06]** Yes. What next happened? >> Uh, so we were waiting for a while. Maybe a few minutes after that, we saw a boat coming from the direction of Castries. So Dylan and Romeon had their flashlights on. They waved for the boat to come to us for assistance. See Dylan and Romeon had their flash files. >> Yes. Is it their flashlights or their phone lights? You said >> phone lights. Flashlights on their phone.\n- **[00:27:15]** >> Yes. One happened. >> Uh so the captain came over to assist us. the captain from the other boat that they were >> came to the rescue. Yes. >> Yes. So, the captain came to rescue all. What exactly happened? Uh when we got on the boat, Roxan asked him to look for her friends. So we they looked for a few minutes and that's when they found Z in the water and they pulled her on board. They found who you said >> Z Miss Neestor. >> What's her first name?\n- **[00:28:30]** >> Uh, Makita or I'm not too sure. You found Makita Nesta alive. >> Unresponsive. >> Yes. What next happened? >> Uh from there he took us to Caneries to be offloaded. He had to go back to assist the others that stayed on the boat. So the captain of that other boat >> Mhm. >> dropped you and Roxan >> Mhm. >> Romeon was still with you. >> Yes.\n- **[00:29:55]** >> Romeon. Dylan. >> No. Dylan stayed back. Dylan stayed with the the captain on that other boat. >> Yes. >> So he the captain dropped you Romeon >> and um >> Z and Shakabe was also there. >> What was the last name you mentioned? >> That's his nickname. I don't know his >> what what was what was the nickname? >> Shakabe. >> Shaka. >> Shakabe. >> Shakabe. And who? >> Uh, Miss Neestor.\n- **[00:30:45]** So, your wood dropped uh in Canaries or the the docks in Canaries and by the beach in Canaries. Uh he beached the boat so we could get down. >> Okay. >> He assisted me to sit on the jetty. Everybody went down. One of the guys went to the nearest by I believe to ask for help to call the ambulance. And then he went back to get the others. And the persons who were on the boat going back were the captain of the boat and Dylan only. I'm not sure who stayed behind, >> but the captain was on the boat and\n- **[00:31:36]** Dylan was on the boat when it left Can >> No, they stayed on the broken piece of Ocean Angel. That's why he had to go back to get them. >> Sorry, I didn't get that. I didn't get that. You said >> Dylan and Tyson stayed on the broken piece of Ocean Angel. That's why the rescue captain had to go back to get them. >> Dylan. And who was the other name? Tyson >> and Tyson. So you and Shakabe and Makita,\n- **[00:32:43]** you all are on the beach in Canry >> as well as Romeon. Yes. >> Shakabe. Yes, I mentioned Jacabe. So, Shakabe, Makita >> and Roxan, sorry, >> Shakabe. Shakabe, >> Makita. >> Mhm. >> Roxan. >> Mhm. >> And you? >> And Romeon. What next happened?\n- **[00:33:35]** >> Um, after a few minutes, half of Canaries came outside and >> after a few minutes, what? >> Half of Canaries came outside. >> Half of Canaries came outside. Okay. >> To see what's going on. And this is what time in the morning that half of Canaries came outside? >> Uh, it was not in the morning yet, I don't believe. Maybe. >> Pardon? >> I wasn't sure of the time cuz I had lost my phone. So, I'm not sure what time in the morning.\n- **[00:34:23]** Yes. So, what next happened with half of Canry's outside? >> A few minutes after that, not sure how long, the ambulance came as well as some firefighters and some volunteers. Yes. >> Uh when the ambulance came, they loaded up Chakabe and then Romeon and I Rian and I left on the back of a pickup van. So Shakabe was the only person who went on to the ambulance. >> Um I think as well as Z I'm not sure if >> as well as sorry >> Makita.\n- **[00:35:27]** >> So they went on to the ambulance. >> Yeah. >> Yes. And what makes happen? We were transported to the Soufriere hospital. >> Yes. >> Uh from after being assessed a few hours later, we were sent to St. Jude's. And who were the persons who went to St. Jude's? >> I went to St. Jude's by ambulance with Romeon. Yes. While at St. Jude, any you all were treated at St. Jude's and discharged? >> Yes.\n- **[00:36:51]** >> Anything else happened at St. Jude's that was noteworthy while you were there? >> Uh, no. Just that they took a very long time. Is there anything else you would wish to tell us about that night 18th July into the morning of 19th July? >> Not that I can recall. No. the other commissioners and legal council. Uh we'll ask you some questions as well. >> Sure. >> Good morning, Mia. >> Morning. And like I've done before, let\n- **[00:37:53]** me thank you for availing yourself to be of assistance to the commission. Um, I want to ask you, can you from recollection tell us what may have prompted Romeon to ask for a life vest? >> I am not sure why he asked. You also seem very familiar with vessels and being on vessels. Um, can you tell the commission anything about safety and um safety equipment on the vessel on which you were >> on the boat in question? >> On your the vessel on which you were\n- **[00:39:06]** traveling. >> Um, well, I don't know anything per se, but I do know that boats do have life jackets on them. Did you apart from this life jacket which was handed to Rian did you see any other life jackets? >> Uh no I was not looking. >> You were? >> I was not looking. So no What's about lights? Lights on that boat. Can you tell us anything about lights? Any lights you would have noticed on that boat? >> Uh, yeah. The lights to the front.\n- **[00:40:17]** Can you tell us what color lights? >> Red and green. >> What can you tell us about these lights? They were at the tip of the boat all the way to the front. >> Just to be clear, we are talking about we're talking about Kaza here. >> Yes. And these lights you speak of, were they on? >> Yes, they were. Upon embarking the vessel to commence your journey back to Soufriere, Did you hear anything from the captain of that vessel\n- **[00:41:42]** >> in regards to >> anything at all the captain might have said to you to the persons on board? >> No. Who was the captain? Might I ask? >> Tyson. At any time. At any time during the journeys, whether from Soufriere to Pigeon Point or on the return trip, were you aware of the presence of life jackets on the vessel? >> By knowledge of the boat? Yes. Or boats in general? >> No. No. On that particular vessel, were\n- **[00:42:58]** you aware of life jackets? Did you see life jackets on there? >> No. So, we can safely say that the captain did not alert you to the presence of life jackets and where these jackets would have been. >> No. Where on the vessel were you sitting? Second row in front of the captain. >> And on what side of the vessel? >> On the right side. Did anyone at all alert the captain or passengers on that vessel to any oncoming danger?\n- **[00:45:15]** >> No. apart from the captain. Can you tell us about anyone else on that boat who would have been um >> coup on that vessel? >> Pascal being the owner. Where was he seated on that vessel? >> Behind me. >> Who was ahead of you? Who was seated ahead of you? >> Um either Lester or the gentleman with the yellow shirt.\n- **[00:46:58]** And by the gentleman in the yellow shirt, you mean somebody in this room now? >> Yes. >> Uh, could you just point out who you're speaking of? Okay. The person with her shirt looking like it might be yellow. >> Somewhat yellow mustard orangeish. What? Sorry. >> Chris Jatis. >> Okay. So, we say either Lester or Chris Jabatist was seated ahead of you. Yes.\n- **[00:47:49]** >> Where exactly were they seated? >> Uh third row in front of the captain. >> Third row in front of the captain. >> Yes. And whoever it was, whether Chris Jabatis or Lester, how were they positioned on the boat? >> They were seated on the bench on the right edge. And in your estimation, this person who was seated head ahead of the captain ahead of you on the right edge of the boat. In your estimation, do do you believe that it was possible for that person\n- **[00:49:01]** to have sight of what was happening ahead? >> No. I will ask you now very straightforward a very straightforward question. Was there anyone on that vessel looking ahead and guiding the captain in terms of anything happening ahead of the vessel? >> Not that I know of. Oh. That is all from me Miss Rivier. Thank you much. >> Welcome. >> Good morning Miss Rivier. >> Morning.\n- **[00:50:52]** >> How are you? >> I'm all right. >> Okay. Um, I want to start with your what you recall of the weather that day when you boarded the vessel heading north at, as you said, about 4 p.m. How was the weather? >> Uh, partly cloudy. It drizzled just a little bit on the way up and the water was a little choppy and the sea was >> a little choppy. And when you boarded the vessel,\n- **[00:51:46]** >> were you given a safety briefing on the vessel in Soufriere? >> No. And who was the captain in charge of the vessel on that first part of the voyage heading north? >> Tyson. >> Excuse me. >> Tyson. And how was the voyage all the way to Rodney Bay? >> Uh, since the water was choppy, it was a little bumpy, but fine. >> And\n- **[00:52:37]** what was the voyage like? Was it quick? Was it fast? Was it slow? It >> was a little quick. When you say a little quick, >> um, not too fast to be scared, but he was pushing it. >> Not too fast to be scared. >> You see, not too fast to be scared, but he was pushing it. >> Yeah. >> Are you used to fast boat rides >> sometimes? And you do them without a life jacket.\n- **[00:53:18]** >> Yes. >> And that's because >> nothing alarming has become of it. >> Excuse me. >> Nothing alarming has become of it till now. >> So you've arrived at Pigeon Island up north. You've gone to the event. You're heading back down. >> Were you given a safety briefing? >> No. >> Did you Did anybody request a life jacket? >> No. >> On that second leg of the voyage?\n- **[00:53:57]** >> Uh, no. Not when we left Pigeon Island. >> Not when you left Pigeon Island. >> No. >> Okay. >> And how was the weather condition? >> A little more cloudy, but you could have ste seen some of the the stars. And how was the C then >> on the second part? >> Still choppy >> compared to the first part. More choppy, less choppy. >> Um, almost the same, but I'll say a little a little more choppy. >> Choppy to the point that the vessel\n- **[00:54:35]** would be rolling or unstable. I wouldn't say unstable, but it was going up and down a bit. >> Up and down? >> Yeah. Just riding the waves. >> Riding the waves. Banging or just riding? >> Um, a little bit of both. >> A little bit of both. >> Yeah. >> And who was the captain? >> Steel Tyson. So at what point of the voyage heading down to Soufriere that a life jacket was issued to one\n- **[00:55:22]** person? >> Um probably about 30 minutes into it. >> 30 minutes into the voyage. So that would be of which landmark do you recall? >> Say that again. off 30 minutes into the voyage heading >> to Soufriere >> to Soufriere. >> Yeah. >> At which point of the which landmark were you close by when that request was made?\n- **[00:55:51]** >> I would not know. >> And the reason being >> I'm not familiar with the landmarks of the shoreline. Plus, it was a little dark. >> Okay. But was it dark at that time? >> Uh yes. Do you recall the exact time >> of the exact time of what exactly? >> When you slowed down to issue the life jacket to one passenger. >> Uh, no. I don't know the time. My phone was in my bag, so I didn't have access\n- **[00:56:25]** to the time. Did you notice, and to the best of your memory, did you notice anything different with the captain and crew? >> No. >> In terms of he appeared alert, not alert. How would you describe him at the helm? >> Um, he was the same throughout. He was alert. >> He was >> alert. >> Alert. would you have noticed if he was under\n- **[00:57:08]** the influence of alcohol? >> That I'm not sure of. >> When you say that, what exactly do you mean? >> I would not know what to look for. >> You would not know what to look for. Okay, fair enough. On the way back down, would you recall somebody that was designated to be the lookout on that vessel? >> No. So, it was just the captain, Tyson. >> Mhm.\n- **[00:57:50]** >> And who was assisting him? Um, I didn't notice anybody assisting him, but I believe it would have been Mr. Pascal since it was his boat. >> Mr. Pascal is the owner, correct? >> Yes. Do you recall any significant that would stand out prior to the accident? >> No. >> So there was no siren, no noise whatsoever? >> No. And to the best of your recollection, what was the last thing you remember\n- **[00:58:42]** seeing upon impact? >> The stars. Cuz I was looking up. >> You were looking up while the vessel was kind of bouncing. >> Yes. >> You were looking up at the stars. >> Were you standing or sitting? >> Sitting. Are you a swimmer? >> Yes, I am. >> A good one. >> Yes. >> So, it's normal for you to be on a\n- **[00:59:13]** vessel bouncing up and down looking at the stars. Would you say that's normal? That's >> Yes, >> that's how you do it. Okay. So, you were looking at the stars and you recall what exactly happened? >> Uh, no. I just heard the noise whilst I was and then I was in the water. >> What kind of noise did you hear? >> It was a loud bang. >> A bang? >> Yes. >> Did you hear any crushing? Did you\n- **[00:59:44]** recall hearing any engine revving, etc.? >> Uh, no, not that I can recall. >> Just the bang. >> A loud bang. And do you recall right after the bang exactly what Tyson the captain did? >> Um I would not know because whilst in the water we were trying to get our bearings. >> Okay. You were in the water and do you recall exactly where Tyson was? No. At the moment you were in the water. >> No, at the moment I only knew where I\n- **[01:00:30]** was and Romeon. I was not aware of anyone else. >> And do you recall how many people at that moment when you were in the water had life jackets? >> Um, only Romanian. on your room. Thank you. >> Hi, good morning. >> Just a minute. Before you ask, I just want to be clear. Romeon had a life jacket both on the way from Soufriere to Pigeon Point and on the way back to Soufriere. >> No, he never had it. He only put it on about 5 minutes before the accident.\n- **[01:01:25]** >> That's on. Yeah. So between Soufriere and Pigeon Island when you all were going up at that time he did not have a life jacket. >> No. >> Yes. Proceed. >> Were you able to where you were seated? Were you able to see what was happening ahead of the vessel? >> No. Did you observe whether the captain was using a mobile phone or engaging in conversation with any of the passengers? >> Um, no. Earlier you described the journey as a\n- **[01:02:11]** quiet trip. Could you explain exactly what you mean when you say a quiet trip? Uh the talking was not throughout the entire journey. They were talking maybe once in a while. So there were few a few moments of silence. Did you observe um whether the captain was distracted by anything during the journey? >> No. >> Were you able to see any vessels in the water at any point? Any other vessels? Um, there might have been a yacht a distance away. And how were you able to identify that\n- **[01:03:17]** there was another vessel in the water? >> I could have seen the outline and the light to the top. >> Could you have seen the outline on what? >> The yacht. >> No, sorry. You said you could have seen the outline and >> the top of the lights >> and the top of the lights. >> So, did you observe any lights from Ocean Angel before the collision? >> No. >> Did you see Ocean Angel approaching at any time prior to the collision? >> No.\n- **[01:04:04]** Did you hear any horns being sounded before the collision? >> No. >> Did you notice any increase or decrease in the captain's speed before the collision? >> No. Did you observe the captain making any certain turns or maneuvers immediately before the collision? >> No. >> Prior to hearing the loud noise, was there anything that alerted you to the possibility of there being a collision? >> Nothing at all.\n- **[01:05:09]** and you stated earlier that it was a normal practice not to wear a life jacket because you could have been you were able to swim. But you would agree that being able to swim doesn't necessarily protect you from injuries or unconsciousness following a collision from an accident. I agree. >> Was it your answer? >> I said I agree. That's all for me. Thank you. >> Good morning, Miss Rivier. How are you? >> Morning. I'm all right. >> Good. Thanks. Thank you for taking time to come out to\n- **[01:05:59]** discuss with us this morning and to give us some clear indication on what may have happened on the 18th of July this year. But even before I go into questioning, um I would like to just go through something you said earlier on and you quoted that it is not the first time that you've been out on a boat. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> And you can swim? >> Yes, I can. Have you ever been offered\n- **[01:06:39]** a life jacket or a life vest by either the captain or the crew prior to this? Any on any particular boat ride before this one? >> Uh, yes. >> Did you wear it? >> No, >> you didn't. So, we're going to the 18th of July this year. How long? And you said it was a round trip from Soufriere to Gile. After the event, did you attend both events or just one? >> Just one.\n- **[01:07:17]** And you said that in heading to Gili from Soufriere, you took roughly about an hour plus. >> Um, I'd say be 45 minutes. 45 minutes >> roughly >> from Soufriere to Brilli and that was about 4:30 in the afternoon. >> Yeah, >> that's correct. With nine persons on board approximately. >> Yes. >> Right. And the sea condition was choppy. You could have seen everything around you.\n- **[01:07:51]** >> Yes. >> Good. So the night of the accident, in your fair judgment, did you eat or did you drink anything that would have impaired on your vision or your thinking that would have been what it was prior to going to Gil? >> I had a few drinks, but my mind was still sound. >> Say again. >> I had a few drinks, but my mind was still sound. >> You care to share what you may have drunk? Water, anything.\n- **[01:08:24]** >> Oh, water and tequila. >> Say again. >> Water and tequila. >> How many if you care to >> about five? >> Five tequilas. >> Yes. >> Okay. Did you notice the captain or the owner of the vessel eating or drinking anything that in your fair judgment would have impaired the vision or the decision making? as it relate to operating the boat. >> I would not know cuz when we got there,\n- **[01:08:57]** we went our separate ways. >> Okay. So, you only came back to the boat for the return leg? >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. So, how long do you believe Cazorla may have traveled from Grizzly up to the point of the the impact when you felt that impact and you were in the water? How long you think it may have traveled from that distance? >> Uh, probably >> in terms of time,\n- **[01:09:30]** >> probably 35 minutes or so. 35 minutes from Gile to Asco. >> Yeah. >> Which is roughly in my in navigation terms, I think it would have been about six about 6 milesi. About 6 milesi. Okay. And the sea condition was the same. >> Choppy. Yes. >> And there was nobody, you would agree that there were nobody looking ahead of the boat to see what was coming. >> Not that I know of. Not that you know. Are you familiar with a name a gentleman\n- **[01:10:05]** by the name of Lester Ja or as you may call him down there, Mavado? >> I believe Lester is Sawya. >> Sawya. >> Yes. >> Okay. Sorry, but you know you know him? >> Yes. >> Do you know Mado? >> No, I've only seen him around. >> Okay. Was he on the boat that evening? >> Yes, he was. Where was he sitting? >> To the front of the boat. >> Say again. >> To the front of the boat.\n- **[01:10:35]** >> Was he looking ahead or was he just casually sitting or resting? Give us an idea. I mean, your own What was he looking like? Just casually sitting or maybe like me, just looking ahead to see if anything was coming. >> Um, I believe he was casually sitting. Every now and then he would look around >> but not permanently looking. >> I don't think so. No, I wasn't paying attention to him. >> But based on what you saw, it was not a permanent look out to see that I am look like I'm looking at you now. So,\n- **[01:11:10]** >> no. >> Anything between you and I I would have seen coming? >> No. >> Just to be I I need to get that answer clear. You saying that he was seated casually and not looking out or are you saying that you don't know or you don't remember? I just need to hear that very clearly. >> Um, well, it could be both cuz he was casually sitting, but being on a boat, you would look around at your surroundings. So, I'm not sure it was designated for being a lookout.\n- **[01:11:43]** So, from your area, the area where you were sitting, could you have seen a head of the bow of the boat? The bow would be the front portion. Could you have seen ahead of that? >> No. >> No. But you think it would be possible that maybe Mado would have seen based on where he was sitting? >> Yes, it's possible. >> If he was looking, he would have seen. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, you have established that the boat did travel at the same speed that it\n- **[01:12:16]** would have traveled during the day as in the night. Yes. >> You also said that the gentleman who requested the life jacket, he put on that life jacket at what point in your judgment? What part of the land reference to? >> As in how many minutes into the trip? >> Yes. >> Probably 30 45 minutes into the trip. >> And that's sorry just to clarify that's the trip from Soufriere to Pigeon Point or the other way around? >> From Pigeon Point to Soufriere. from Pigeon\n- **[01:12:52]** Point to Soufriere. Let's take it slow. You said that the gentleman asked for a life jacket. >> Yes. >> And he was given a life jacket. >> Yes. >> So between Fusion Point and the impact, where did he ask for the life jacket? >> I will not be sure of the location. I can just tell you it was about 5 minutes before the accident. >> 5 minutes before the accident. Previously, I'm just bringing to your attention. Previously you said off Winjama\n- **[01:13:24]** >> I never mentioned that one. >> Was it? >> No. >> Okay. But you could have seen lights from the land on your left side. That is because you're heading down. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, so based on your description 5 minutes after would you think that the vessel that you were on that that vessel was off ancillary because it would have been the village north of the accident?\n- **[01:14:02]** >> Yes. >> Right. So it would clearly indicate that between being adjacent to ancillary and the impact that vessel would have traveled 5 minutes in that period of time. >> 5 minutes or less >> less than that. >> Yeah. So basically if you were to give me an idea in terms of on the street how many poles length just a rough idea from the time he received the jacket to the point of the the um accident >> I would not know\n- **[01:14:36]** >> so you heading down a street let's just put a straight street how many poles length just an average to get the distance >> I can guess and say three or four. I don't know. >> Three or four. >> Sorry, I just need to clear that. You say you can guess and can see about three or four. >> Your guess can also say six or seven. >> Yes, it can. Cuz I don't know the distance. >> So, you don't know what the distance was?\n- **[01:15:07]** >> No. >> So, we should not record that it's three or four PS. >> No. Yeah. So did you notice? So we now get to the point of the impact. I think we have established quite well this approximate speed and the time the boat travel from Gile to Ascosaw. We're now at the point of the impact and you're now in the water. Did you notice the captain or the owner of the vessel? What did you notice immediately after the impact? What were they doing?\n- **[01:15:50]** >> I would not know. Immediately after the impact, I was focused on Romanian. >> Romeon. Where was Romeon seated? >> Um, to my left. >> To your left. Okay. So you on the right side of Cazorla? >> Yes, he was in the middle. >> He was in the middle. But based on the description, okay, we can skip that because I think we kind of established that. I want to ask you some little questions and I want to take you through the motions of what\n- **[01:16:38]** was happening. There is a collision. You're in the water and you swam to the piece of ocean angel that was floating. Was the vessel you were on board, which was supposed to be Cazorla. >> Mhm. >> Was it moving away? Was it station in the water? What was it doing? >> Um, it was drifting away, but the engine was off. >> Drifting west away from land or >> towards the shore? >> Towards the shore.\n- **[01:17:08]** >> Yeah. What' you say? But the engine was off your side. >> Yeah. >> So are you you you were away you were further away from Cazorla but closer to Ocean Angel. >> Yes. But then ocean currents would predict that you are drifting away from land because the wind blow from east to west. >> Yes. The piece of boat was away from land. >> The piece of boat >> was further out. >> Further out.\n- **[01:17:46]** >> Yes. >> So in actual fact, the Cazorla was not drifting into the wind. It was just further away from you. So the wreckage was west of you drifting away from land. So you move towards it but closer to you. >> Yes. >> You understand fully the question that you ask. >> Yeah. So the rain always blow from east to west except in hurricane or other extraordinary times >> barely inland\n- **[01:18:17]** from the west coast. Right? So what you would have found that the wreckage was drifting slightly away from land at a faster rate than the vessel you were on. But since you were closer to the the wreckage, you decided to swim towards it. >> Yes. >> How many persons were on the wreckage in total when you got there? >> Including myself? >> Yes. >> I would say roughly five five or six. >> Five or six persons. >> Yeah.\n- **[01:18:57]** And thereafter you said you call your dad. Your dad was called for to assist. >> Yes. >> Did you ever think of calling 911 or 999 the emergency line? >> No. >> No. Okay. And you said another vessel assisted you, right? >> Yes. >> Do you know the name of the vessel that assisted? >> No, I do not. >> You don't? And are you sure that the body that was taken ashore together with you was that\n- **[01:19:28]** of Miss Netor or the the other lady who unfortunately passed? >> Miss Neestor, >> you know her? >> I don't know her personally. >> So, are you sure the body that was recovered and taken a show with you was the body of Miss Netor or the other individual? I'm sure it was Miss Neestor. >> Okay. Did you see the marine police vessel there during that time? >> No. >> Not at all.\n- **[01:20:03]** >> Okay. Do you know the name of the captain who came to rescue you? >> I only know his nickname >> as >> Kafu. >> As what? >> Kafu. >> Kapu. >> Kafu. >> Kafu. Yes. >> As the footballer ku. >> Yes. >> Okay. As in get mad. >> Exactly.\n- **[01:20:24]** >> Okay. Okay. So, I want to take you through a delicate process and I I just want you to be kind of mindful during the assist. What speed did the rescue vessel move through the wreckage coming to assist you all? on the five of you on the the partially damaged boat, the white the floating object. >> Um, he took his time. He came in very slow. >> From what distance? >> I cannot estimate that. >> Closer to the shore. I can tell you for\n- **[01:21:08]** sure. >> Okay. So, he was Let's go slow. He was approaching you rendering some assistance. That's correct. Approaching the piece of um Ocean Angel with five of you on board. So he was coming to help you all as best as he could. >> Yes. Do you think or are you sure that during that process moving through the wreckage it probably would be possible for that vessel to have come into contact with any of the other persons whether deceased or injured trying to rescue\n- **[01:21:51]** you? >> No. >> Are you sure? >> Yes. Uh, why are you so sure? >> Cuz we were looking at him when he was coming in. We didn't hear any noises of a bang or him knocking any debris. And he was coming in very, very slowly. He had some other people on the boat as well. They were looking around. So, while you may be sure, but there is other evidence which I may not be able to give you the exact person who may have quoted. Similarly, another vessel was doing that\n- **[01:22:28]** same process. When they observe a life jacket and approaching the life jacket, it appeared not appeared but they came into the discovery of a lifeless body. So, are you saying that it was not possible at all that the vessel who came to rescue you could have maybe 1% of a chance come into contact with any of the other persons that were in the water because you could have only seen where you were. >> Yeah. >> But pro probably, sorry, the angle of approach from that vessel may have\n- **[01:23:05]** passed close to somebody else. >> It's possible. >> It is possible. Did you find any reason to alert the captain of the vessel that you were on board about the speed of the speed, sorry, that it was traveling at? >> No. >> No. You felt comfortable? >> Yeah. Have you seen the vessel since the accident? >> No. And the other question I want to ask you\n- **[01:23:48]** at this time is in terms of the safety aspect of wearing a life jacket or encouraging somebody else to wear a life jacket which you said you're a good swimmer and I guess the friend or the person which you mentioned is the person a swimmer. No. >> No. Did you Did you encourage anybody else to put on a life jacket other than that individual? >> No. >> Are any of the deceased part of the crew that was on your vessel\n- **[01:24:31]** and they did not have a life jacket? >> No. Yes, Mr. I have one more question for you. >> Sure. Prior to the 18th of July, 2026, have you ever have you been on a vessel captain by Tyson? >> No. >> And you sure about that? >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. If it was put to you that the vessel that collided with Cazorla had lights on at the time of that collision, would you\n- **[01:26:23]** agree with that or would you deny that it had lights on? >> I would not know. >> You would not know. >> No. Just one more question, Mr. Chair. Okay. >> Um, you are familiar with the owner of that vessel, Cazorla? >> Yes. >> Have he driven you on that vessel before? Have you he driven the vessel and you've been on board or have you seen him driven um drive that vessel before? Operate that vessel on his own before?\n- **[01:26:55]** >> No. >> He does not drive the vessel? >> No. >> You sure about that? >> Yes. But would you be surprised if there was evidence indicating that he occasionally would have driven the vessel? Uh, >> no. I would not be surprised. >> Say again. >> No, I would not be surprised. >> You said you have not seen him. >> No. >> But you would not be surprised if he\n- **[01:27:16]** does it. >> Why? >> Cuz he's the owner of the boat. I believe he would have to gain some kind of knowledge about his boat. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other sh anything else? Is there anything you want to Okay. Um, Miss Re, is there anything else you wanted to say to us? say to the commission about what happened on that night apart from what you the questions you asked?\n- **[01:27:59]** >> No. >> Very well. Uh there's a possibility that you may be recalled at some time if there's anything that arises after the uh other witnesses have given evidence. If there's anything that arises that requires us to get further information from you, you will be called for that purpose. Not not necessarily likely but possible and I just thought you needed to be alert to that fact. >> Sure. >> Very well. >> Um chair, bearing in mind Miss Rivier's\n- **[01:28:35]** injuries, she has requested leave of the commission to depart um once she has committ um completed her testimony. So at any point that she wishes if she wishes to stay, it's up to her. But she has requested leave. >> Yes. As you mentioned your the as your injury was mentioned, is it definitive that the injury you have now was sustained in the accident on 18th July? >> Yes, it was. >> Very well. Okay. And if you wish to leave at any time, you are free to do so. >> Sure.\n- **[01:29:09]** Our next witness >> just just before that one one thing I omitted to do was to ask any of the other witnesses whether they had any questions uh they wish to ask of Miss River. Um gentlemen do any of you have any questions that you wish to ask Miss Rivier? Okay. >> Okay. Thank you. Then >> our next witness chair is Mr. Romanian Williams. Yes, Mr. Williams.\n- **[01:30:40]** That's William. with an S or without? >> With a with an S. >> With an S. >> Could you state your Can you speak into the mic, please? >> Could you state your name, your address, and your occupation? >> My name is Romeon Williams. I'm from Soufriere and I'm a kitchen steward at Sugar Beach. >> Where you from? Was that Jack? Soufriere. And what job do you have at Trigger Beach? >> Kitchen Stewart.\n- **[01:31:20]** >> Kitchen Stewart. Yeah, >> Mr. Chair, sorry. May I also note that u Mr. Williams did indicate that he had made a a statement to the police, but we do not have um sight of that document either. >> Thank you, Madam Secretary. So, confirming that you did make a statement to the police in relation to what happened on 18th July? >> Yes, I did. >> Did you sign that statement? >> No. >> Was the statement ever read over to you? >> Was that\n- **[01:31:59]** >> Was the statement ever read over to you? >> Yes. at the time right away they wrote it down on a computer. >> Okay. But you were never given the statement no to sign. >> Okay. So let's take you to 18th of July 2026. Did you were you a passenger on Kaza JR that night? >> Yes. >> Tell us how that journey started. When did you first board Cazorla? What time? >> Well, we first boarded at about I say roughly 4:30. >> Yes.\n- **[01:32:40]** >> And we left immediately. Um >> and you boarded where? >> Soufriere. >> At Soufriere waterfront. >> Yes. >> So you boarded Cazorla Jr. at Soufriere waterfront. >> That's right. >> About 4:30 p.m. you said. >> Yes. >> And where did you travel to? >> We left immediately. Yeah. Um, the ride was a bit bumpy cuz it's my\n- **[01:33:07]** first time on a boat. I don't like the ocean. I decided I want to go and enjoy myself. I decided not to drive. So, I called the boat. So, yeah. Um, so on the way up, it was a bit bump because, you know, I'm not used to it. But I didn't like it. It's not for me. Was the boat being driven quickly? Did you find that it's being driven quickly? >> I wouldn't say quickly. No. >> I wouldn't say. >> And did you are you a swimmer? >> No, I don't like the ocean.\n- **[01:33:54]** Did you wear a seat belt, a life jacket while you were on the boat? >> No. >> Were you offered one? >> No. >> When we just went to the boot, right? >> When we just got to the boot. >> Yes. >> No. >> Did they do any safety briefing with you to tell you anything about the presence of life jackets or any other safety equipment? >> No. During the course of the\n- **[01:34:27]** before that, let me just ask you. You all left Soufriere on route to where? What was your destination? >> Pigeon Island. >> And in the course of that uh journey from Soufrierea to Pigeon Island, uh did you ever wear a life jacket during that period? >> No. >> Okay. And did anything happen on board that vessel from Soufriere to to Pigeon Point? Anything that you >> you need to share with us? >> No, it was a quiet ride.\n- **[01:34:58]** >> It was a quiet ride. >> Yeah. >> And how many persons were on the boat? Do you know? >> Not to my knowledge. I wasn't It's not my duty to figure that out. >> Okay. So, you do not know how many persons on the boat. Uh you knew it was a quiet ride. Uh no safety protocols were administered. No indication was given to you that you if you required a seat belt that there was one available. >> No. >> And about how long did that journey from\n- **[01:35:33]** Supra to see? >> 45 minutes to an hour. >> 45 minutes >> cuz it was it was before 6:00. What were the conditions of the sea at the time? From what you can remember, >> it was a bit choppy like the waves were coming in. >> But nothing that happened caused you any cause for concern that you should wear your seat, your life jacket. Nothing. >> No. >> Nothing caused you to to think that you should do so. >> No.\n- **[01:36:08]** After what time did you get to Pigeon Point on the boat? >> It was before 600. I can tell you that. >> Sometime before 6:00. >> And what time did you leave Pigeon Point? >> About 11. >> Yeah. >> And when you left Pigeon Point on the same boat? >> Yes. >> And you all headed to Soufriere? >> Yes. And what happened along the way?\n- **[01:36:38]** >> How was the ride then? What was the condition of the sea then? >> It was it was still a bit choppy. A little more >> a little more choppy. Yes. >> And at first he started pushing the boat like >> and by pushing the boat he >> like he started going at a really quick speed but then the owner Mr. Pascal told him take it easy. >> You heard Mr. Pascal tell him that. >> Yes. >> When the boat was being driven uh quickly, did it cause you to feel\n- **[01:37:14]** afraid? >> No, not necessarily. >> Did you ask for a life jacket? >> Not at the time. >> It's after Mr. Pascal told him slow down. Couple minutes after. 5 minutes after I decided >> any particular thing caused you to decide at that time that you wanted a life jacket. You had driven from Soufriere to Pigeon Point without one. You were driving from Pigeon Point back to Soufriere um with no particular affairs, but at some stage you then asked for a life\n- **[01:37:53]** jacket. Did anything precipitate that request? Anything caused you to decide at that point you wanted a life jacket? >> No, I'm a child of God. He spoke to me. Okay. And what next happened? You were spoken to by somebody. >> Was that I said, what next happened? After you were spoken to and you asked for the life jacket, what next happened? >> Taylor asked for the life jacket for you guys. >> Yes. And you were provided with a life jacket. >> Yeah. They stopped the boat and then\n- **[01:38:29]** with the life jacket and then I put it up and then we left again. >> Okay. And what what next happened on that on that trip? >> I see roughly 2 to 3 minutes after I'm in the water. >> About 2 to 3 minutes after you had >> 2 to 5. Sorry. >> 2 to 5 minutes after you had put on the life jacket. >> Yeah. >> You were in the water. >> That's right. Before you got to the water, did you see anything? Did you hear anything?\n- **[01:38:57]** >> No. >> You didn't hear what sounded like a a collision of of two boats? >> It sounded like sounded normal. Like a wave. >> Like a wave? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> At impact. On impact. I mean, >> on impact. It just sounded like a wave. >> Like a wave. Yeah. >> Did you see anything prior to the impact? Any light? Any oncoming object? anything at all? >> No. My head was down. I was saying a\n- **[01:39:24]** prayer. >> Your head was down. You were >> I was saying a prayer. >> You were saying a prayer. >> That's after you had taken the >> life jacket. >> The life jacket. What next happened? You You said you just felt that after a while you just realized you were in the sea. >> I'm in the water. Yeah. >> I beg your pardon? >> Yes. I just realized I was in the water. Okay. Anything happen? What happened from then? You realize you're in the\n- **[01:39:55]** water? >> I realized my legs aren't touching anything. So, I started panicking for a bit. But Taylor spoke to me, tell me, told me her leg is broken. And from then, I know I'm not a swimmer. She cannot swim. Well, she can swim, but she has a broken leg. We're not going to stay there and struggle. So, I call out for help. You called out for help by what means? >> I said help. >> You were shouting out help. Help. Help. >> That's right. >> Okay. And did help arrive?\n- **[01:40:28]** >> Yes. Tyson came to us. >> I beg your pause. >> Tyson swam to us. >> Tyson swam >> to us >> from the from your boat. >> No. Yeah. He was I I believe he was still on board the boat. Yeah. >> Yeah. So he swam and met you and Taylor. That's right. >> Just the two of you. >> That's right. >> And what when he met the two of you, where did where were you all taken? >> To uh to a piece of a boat. At the time,\n- **[01:40:59]** I wasn't aware it was another boat. Is when I got to the boat, I realized there was other persons. >> There were other persons on that piece of a boat. >> That's right. And you all were taken to that piece of a boat, you and and Taylor. That's right. >> There were other people there. What next happened? >> Well, when I looked down, I realized I still had my phone. So, I asked who I asked in general, \"Who should I call?\" And then Taylor told me, \"Call her dad.\"\n- **[01:41:35]** So, I did just that. >> And you called her her dad on the phone. Did you call anybody else? >> No. >> You didn't call the ambulance or or anybody? >> No. A doctor's cry for help. I know he would react quickly. >> Okay. You never thought about >> No. >> The marine unit or ambulance that never that thought never crossed your mind? >> No. And where were you all taken after Tyson brought you all onto the the the piece\n- **[01:42:13]** of the boat? What what next happened from there? >> We stayed there a while whilst I made the call. Um whilst whilst I I'm on the call, I'm looking around to see if I see a oncoming light or whatever. So yeah, couple minutes after I say 10 to 15 minutes roughly. It felt like I was but roughly 10 to 15 I saw an oncoming light. So I started waving my flashlight. >> So you saw an oncoming light. You started to wave your flashlight. This time you you seated on top of the what\n- **[01:42:48]** you describe as the piece of the book. >> Yeah, that's right. >> You have your life jacket. >> That's right. >> And um you flash your lights and then what? >> Um well, he came to us slowly. very slow. >> And when that boat got to you, what happened? >> Well, we just attempted to board the boat >> and get out of the water. >> And you all did. So, you all boarded the boat.\n- **[01:43:16]** >> That's it. >> And do you know how many persons boarded the boat at that time? >> You know, do you know you and and Taylor boarded the boat? >> That's two, three, four, five other persons. >> I was only concerned about Taylor. And where did you and Taylor and how many ever other people won the boat? Where did you all go from there? Having been on top the the piece of the boat. Where did your Tyson came assisted you? Uh then a a boat came slowly. Um you all went onto the boat.\n- **[01:43:52]** All of you went onto that boat that came to the rescue boat. >> Yeah. >> And then what happened? Tyson and um Dylan stayed back. I think they stayed back. >> Tyson and Dylan. >> Yeah, >> they stayed in the rescue boat and >> No, they stayed back on the piece of >> Oh, they remained on the the Okay. While went on the rescue boat and went where? Where were you all taken? >> Can >> Okay. So, Tyson and and Dylan stayed on\n- **[01:44:23]** the piece of boat. You and Taylor and whoever else that you don't remember, you didn't know went um went onto this boat and yall were taken to Canry. >> That's right. >> And after Canry's anything happened there? When you all reach Canaries, anything happened? >> Well, Kafu pitched the boat and then >> I beg your pardon. >> Ku beach the boat. >> Okay. And then Kaku and I helped Taylor get to the jetty. >> And Kaku was the the driver of the rescue boat.\n- **[01:44:56]** >> That's right. >> And he beached the boat and you all came onto it. >> We came off it. >> Came off it. That's right. >> That's right. >> And you all were You all came off it in Canry's from Canry's. What happened next? Where? Well, we stayed there a couple minutes and then ambulance came. >> And by a couple, did you mean two or maybe 20 or maybe 40? >> 5 to 10. >> 5 to 10 minutes. >> And then ambulance came to meet you all.\n- **[01:45:30]** >> They left with those with critical injuries first. >> Yes. >> And they left with us, I think, last >> a different ambulance or the same one. >> I cannot tell you that. But you know an ambulance came, they left with those who were who appeared to be seriously injured. >> But we didn't. We left on the back of a pickup. >> Oh, I see. So you all never went on the ambulance? >> No. >> Very well. So they the persons who were\n- **[01:45:56]** seriously injured, they went in the ambulance and you and who else went to the back of the pickup? >> Taylor and I. >> Taylor. Okay. And from the the back of the pickup, you all were taken where? >> To Suf Hospital. to the Sufi hospital and you all were then treated and discharged at the hospital. >> Was that >> you all were treated and discharged at the Soufriere hospital? >> Well, this Taylor had to go to St. Jude. >> Taylor had to go to St. Jude's.\n- **[01:46:27]** Anything else happened? >> No. No. >> After St. Jude's you proceeded to your home or to anywhere else connected with with this incident? >> Home. You went home. >> The next afternoon, >> I guess. Yeah. The next afternoon. >> The afternoon of the 19th. >> Uh-huh. >> That's when I went home. >> Oh, you went home on the afternoon of the 19th. You had arrived at at Soufriere Hospital sometime during the early\n- **[01:47:01]** morning hours >> and and then you left sometime in the afternoon. You were discharged sometime in the afternoon >> from St. Jud >> from St. Jude. >> Yes, cuz I went to St. Jude with Taylor. >> Okay. >> Yes. Anything else you want to tell us? >> No. >> Okay. The other commissioners will ask questions of you. I may come back to you. >> Nice. >> Good afternoon to you. Good afternoon.\n- **[01:47:39]** Um, >> just one question and I've asked other persons that same question. You've you've given an account of a journey from Soufriere to Pigeon Island. It was your first time on a boat, you said. >> Yes. >> Um, and on the way back again, you give the account. You you you did not ask for a life vest on the way to Pigeon Point. >> No. >> Traveling back to Soufriere, at some point\n- **[01:48:14]** you allude to the fact that the captain or sorry, the owner of the vessel as the captain to slow down. >> That's right. >> Sometime after that, you then asked for a life vest. >> That's right. And um you also asserted that you engaged yourself in a word of prayer. >> That's right. >> What would have caused all of that? To ask for the life vest and then to start praying. What what what caused that? What what brought that on? >> Like I said, I'm a child of God. I\n- **[01:48:43]** normally pray. >> What's that? >> I'm a child of God. I normally pray before everything. >> But did you pray on the way up? >> Yes. >> You didn't ask for a life jacket on the way up. Why? Maybe my guardian angel wasn't ready to offer me one. >> Your guardian angel wasn't ready to offer me one. >> Wasn't ready to offer you one. And there's nothing differently that happened during that journey that\n- **[01:49:12]** would have caused that request for the life jacket. >> No. >> Nothing at all? >> No. >> Did Did a certain fear just come over you? No. Well, >> you just decided to ask for that jacket. >> Well, like I said earlier, I don't like the ocean. I have a fear of the ocean. >> So, the fear was it was there, but I wasn't like showing to say, but the fear was there. >> Okay, that's all from me.\n- **[01:49:46]** >> Good afternoon, Mr. Williams. >> Good afternoon. Um before I start, did you suffer any injuries? >> No. >> In there? None at all? >> No. >> You mentioned that you don't like the ocean? >> No. >> However, and you're not a swimmer, I'm correct. >> No. So when you boarded the vessel at 4:30 or so at Soufriere Jetty, you're not a swimmer and you have a fear\n- **[01:50:23]** of the ocean. When you bought it, were you offered a life jacket? >> No. >> Did you request one? >> No. >> If I may ask, why why didn't you? Yeah, the guys are not new to this. So, >> excuse me. >> The guys are not new to this. So, I trusted them. >> You trusted them. And when you say them, you're speaking specifically to reference to >> those owner, the captain.\n- **[01:50:52]** >> Okay. You mentioned that the >> before you said you trusted them. What did you say? >> They are not new to this. They are not new to this. Like that's their they do water taxi and stuff. So well I know that because of the area they're from. That's what they mainly do in the area. So you trusted them because they in >> they're not new to the water. >> They are not new to the water. >> They're not new to the water. Okay. >> That's right. >> You made mention during\n- **[01:51:32]** the journey back to Soufriere that the owner said these words to the captain. Take it easy. Not not so fast. He said, \"Take it easy.\" >> And what was the captain's response to that? >> I cannot recall what he said, but he did take it easy. >> But the captain Tyson took it easy from then on. What would have prompted the owner to tell the captain that?\n- **[01:52:14]** >> Maybe because he was going more than moderate. And when you say more than moderate, you're referring to the >> the speed >> the speed of the vessel. >> Yeah. >> At any time during this exchange, what was the condition of the vessel? Was it stable? Was it shaking? Was it swaying? I would say stable. It was a bit stable. It was It was a bit stable. A bit unstable or stable? A bit stable. That's it for me. Thanks,\n- **[01:53:02]** >> Miss Mr. Williams. Good morning. >> Good afternoon. Good morning. >> Good afternoon. Oh, thank you. Um, I have listened to your delivery this morning and I believe that Commissioner Defreitas was very thorough in terms of what he was asking, very open in terms of basic information that he was trying to have you relay. And even in his questions, I think they were professionally placed where we could have gotten the best out of it. But based on your answers,\n- **[01:53:49]** based on what you gave to this commission, I would like to bring you into the world of navigation which you probably is you're not too familiar as you said with that was your first. So just for your information, the distance between Soufriere and Pigeon Point is roughly 14 to 15 miles nautical miles or 26 to 27 kilometers. information. On average, a speedboat if it travel strict and it takes 30 to 45 minutes, it would have to travel between 20 to 30 knots,\n- **[01:54:42]** which is considerable speed. So it is my fair judgment to believe and we can do the calculation. It's very easy to do that based on what you may have experienced because you said you left at 4:30 approximate. >> Yeah. >> 4:30 in the afternoon. You all took about 45 minutes roughly to get there. That vessel would have to to push up at least 30 knots. So just imagine a vessel with so that vessel would have to travel at approximately 20 between 20 to 30 knots.\n- **[01:55:39]** And I I'm I'm asking you the reason for you would agree with me that the reason for asking for the life jacket on the way back is that you were not comfortable in the manner in which the vessel was traveling. Even if the owner had asked the captain to take it easy or in in our take it easy or in our local language slow down. You felt Did you not feel uncomfortable to ask for a life jacket? >> No. >> You felt comfortable that it was traveling at that speed\n- **[01:56:19]** >> after he said take it easy. Yeah. >> Before >> after it um Mr. Pascal told him to take it easy. >> You felt a little more comfortable. >> Yeah. >> But prior to that, were you comfortable the speed? >> Well, the fear was there, but I was okay with it. >> I don't understand. >> You care to explain. You said the fear was there. The fear of what? >> The ocean. I don't like the ocean. >> But if you're sitting at the ocean just\n- **[01:56:51]** cruising, Mr. Williams, why would there be any fear or any discomfort? >> I don't like the ocean. >> Right. But you would agree with me that at the point in which you asked for the life jacket that is because of the speed at which the vessel was traveling and you not being a sea person, you felt uncomfortable. I just decided I needed a life jacket. >> But what prompt you saying that you came from Soufriere? That is correct. You went to Gros Islet. It may have traveled 20 25 between 20 to 30\n- **[01:57:38]** knots based on the evidence you gave. But here we are on the return leg and the same thing is happening. And then the next part of that is that the the captain has not the owner said to the captain, \"Take it easy or slow down.\" Yes. Would it not be correct? Would it be correct to say that you were not comfortable one with the speed, two, something told you that the captain would have seen something outside of the ordinary based on the sea condition, the speed to ask him to slow down. And thirdly,\n- **[01:58:22]** you would agree with me that you were not comfortable under the fear and all of that. As a result, you asked for the life jacket. Well, I don't know why I asked for the life jacket. Something told me put on my life jacket. >> Somebody else on board or >> my guardian angel. >> Your instincts guardian angel. >> Your guardian angel. >> That's right. >> Oh, I I just wanted to know. Right. So, your guiding angel told you to put it.\n- **[01:58:53]** >> That's right. >> Right. So I I I believe I just gave you the data in terms of navigation, basic navigation that the speed you would have traveled, the distance you travel, this is what you would have witnessed. Yeah. Okay. Well, afternoon. >> Afternoon. >> Was the vessel traveling faster on the return journey than the journey from Soufriere to Pigeon Island? So was it traveling faster from Soufriere to Pigeon Island or from Pigeon Island to Soufriere?\n- **[01:59:51]** >> It was about the same >> including when um the well Pascal said to slow down. >> That's after he started. >> So from Pidge Island to Soufriere >> Soufriere to Pigeon Island >> the same speed. su to pigeon island. He traveled there and then when he left Pigeon Island, he started going at like modern moderate and then after the owner told him to take it easy then >> he took it easy. >> So you say you're not familiar with the seat. This is your first time on a boat. So how would you know that it was more\n- **[02:00:31]** than moderate speed? Is it because Mr. Pascal said to slow down? >> Yes. Anything else that prompted you to think that it was more than moderate? >> No. Since he said that. >> And when Mr. Pascal said to slow down, did um the captain reduce the speed immediately? >> Yes, he did. >> So, did the vessel continue to travel at the reduced speed up until the collision? >> Yes. And you also said that the vessel stopped so that you could have been\n- **[02:01:08]** given a life jacket. Did the engine stopped completely or did the vessel simply stop moving forward? >> I wouldn't be able to tell you that, but the vessel stopped. And how long was the vessel How long did the vessel stop? Roughly 2 minutes. A minute. >> Roughly 2 minutes. >> Yeah, >> cuz I had to put on the life jacket before the party. >> And who assisted you in putting on the life jacket? >> Taylor.\n- **[02:01:57]** And when you were putting on the live jacket, what was the captain doing? >> I wouldn't be able to know. >> I don't know. No. >> So after you put on the life jacket, did the captain immediately resume the journey? >> After? Yes. Did you observe whether the captain checked to see if there were any other vessels in the water before resuming the journey? >> Not to my knowledge. I don't know. Are you familiar with the term navigation lights?\n- **[02:02:57]** >> Well, lights. Yeah. >> Beg your pardon? >> Lights. Yeah. >> When you say lights, here in in I'm speaking specifically in relation to boats. >> Oh, no. So, you would not know the purpose of navigation lights on a vessel? >> I know the purpose, but I wouldn't be looking out for it. >> So, just tell us what you know the purpose to be. >> To be seen >> and what you understand by the lights on\n- **[02:03:33]** a boat. >> To be seen out on water. When you on Cazorla Jr., did you notice whether there were any lights on the vessel? >> Yes, there were. >> Can you describe the lights which you observed? >> I wouldn't be able to tell you the color, but I know it was two different colors. And I was saying to myself, why is that two different colors? But it's not my cup of tea. beg your pardon. >> I say I was wondering why it's two different colors,\n- **[02:04:14]** >> but then I didn't really dwell on it. >> And are you able to tell us where those lights were located? >> To the front of the boat. When you departed Pigeon Island, were those lights switched on? >> Yes, it was. >> From the time it was coming towards us, >> beg your pardon. >> From the time it was coming towards us, it was already on. Like we were still Pigeon Island on the beach >> and then >> he came to pick us up, it was already on.\n- **[02:05:00]** Were you able to see lights from any other vessels in the water at any point during the journey from Pigeon Island to Soufriere? >> No. >> Would you be able to tell us if you saw any lights immediately before the impact, before the collision? >> No. Like I said, my head was down. I was saying a prayer. Was any music being played on the boats? >> No. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Rivier, I have three more questions.\n- **[02:06:05]** >> Mr. Williams, >> Mr. Williams, sorry. Three more questions for you. Now, I would like you to just take your time, understand what I'm saying, and answer the commission to the best of your ability. Did you say anything to Miss Rivier or anybody else near you before or after asking for the life jacket? No, I only told Taylor to ask for the life jacket for me. Why? Cuz I wanted a life jacket. If you were on\n- **[02:06:53]** another boat and even before we go to that would the speed at which Cazorla Jr. was traveling. Why were you not able to put the life jacket on you? >> The speed like he was traveling. Yes. Why they had to stop the boat? >> Yes. >> I don't know. I maybe that's mandatory. You stop the boat to put on a life jacket. I don't know. >> And life jacket is very simple to put. If the vessel is traveling at a moto rate speed and you sit in, you unzip or you clip push your arm through.\n- **[02:07:30]** >> He had to go get the life jacket for me. >> So the life jacket was locked up. >> Not locked up. It was to the front of the boat >> to the bow of the boat. >> I don't know. But he had to the front. >> But there were other persons sitting there. Why didn't somebody just reach out and just pass the life jacket? >> I wouldn't be able to answer that. I don't know. So, the captain went to get the life jacket. >> Um, the owner. >> The owner. >> Was it the the owner?\n- **[02:07:59]** >> But if he had a lookout, which is part of his crew, he did not have to get up. Walk through. Did he walk through to get the life jacket? >> He jumped through. Yeah. >> He jumped through. >> Yeah. >> So, do you know Mo Mado? I think it is nickname >> by face. Yeah. Where was he sitting? To the front of the boat. >> But Mado was supposed to be the lookout. So why would can you explain why would Mado not take a life jacket which he is part of the boat and hand\n- **[02:08:33]** over to his employer and to hand over to you? >> Well, I cannot answer that. >> So which indicate Mado was was we will not go there. And my question to you, my final question to you, if you were traveling on another boat any other time, would you allow the captain or the operator of the boat to travel with you at the speed it was traveling? >> Yes, >> you would. >> Yeah. At the speed living so far, the normal speed. Yeah. Moderate.\n- **[02:09:10]** >> No. No. the speed at which the captain the owner asked the captain to take it easy or slow down. Would you allow somebody to travel if you at that speed? >> Yes, >> you would. >> Yes. >> And you would ask for a life jacket again >> if needs be. Yes. >> If needs be. >> If necessary. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. take the first of all you you can step down. Thank you for your evidence. You\n- **[02:10:06]** may, as I've said to the other witnesses who gave evidence, it is possible that you may be recalled if there's anything that arises that causes us to require further evidence from you. It's not necessarily likely, but you just need to know that it is possible that you may be summoned at some other time to return to give evidence before the commission. Just before you rise, does any witness have any question that they wish to ask? Uh very well. Okay. We will take the lunch and recess at this time and we will resume\n- **[02:10:43]** at 1:20 p.m. Very well.\n","source_text_sha256":"7fdad9ab9aeead9445adadde1359727ae79509c850d314ed552b7eb896959a75","download_url":"/documents/anse-cochon/2026-10-14/originals/Commission_of_Inquiry_Day_2__PT_I__Oct_14___2026_(1).docx","reading_url":"/documents/anse-cochon/2026-10-14/readings/day2-part1-reading.md","source_note":"source_text is a paragraph-joined Word extraction; sha256 identifies the original DOCX. 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You can read the phone and just say I your name and then >> I am I am Japan. >> So swear. >> Say it again. >> Do solemnly swear >> to tell the whole truth. >> to tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth. >> And nothing but the truth. >> So help me God. Mr. Chair, Mr. Edward has been given a copy of the witness statement that we received that was tabled before the\n\n[00:03:52] commission. So he has had an opportunity to peruse that document. >> Before we start the questioning of Mr. Japier, I unfortunately I have to apologize twice in one day for a late start. But in fairness to the persons who have been here and and waiting, I believe they deserve an apology >> because we starting about 50 minutes later than the the time that we announced. >> Okay. >> I then want to have you to understand that this is in no way deliberate, no\n\n[00:04:34] way meant to disrespect those of you who came here and who are waiting. The best I can say without saying too much is just one of those things. But for that we we do apologize and um we hope that the witnesses were not put off too badly by that 50-minute delay. Okay. So, we're going to start with your evidence, Mr. Edward. >> Yeah. >> And I'm we're going to start by asking you to state your name, your address, and your occupation. >> Yeah.\n\n[00:05:11] My name is Jean Pierre Ralph Edward from Lennisil Suare. >> Your occupation. Uh crew first meet. >> Is there a particular boat on which you are the first mate? >> Uh Israel King both. >> I beg your pardon. Israel King Balls. >> And did you on the 21st day of July 2026 give a statement to the police? >> Yes. >> Did you were you given a copy of that statement to read?\n\n[00:06:21] >> Yes. And are you satisfied that it is true and correct as to what you did say to the officer on the 21st of July 2026? >> Yes sir. >> Is there anything you wish to say to us at this stage before specific questions are put to you? >> Not really. So we are not going to go over everything you have in your statement. We have read your statement as you have and we're just going to ask you some questions arising from the statement but not so much to go through what you have already stated.\n\n[00:07:09] >> Yeah no problem chairman. Okay. Good day, sir. How are you doing? >> I'm good. >> Good. >> Yeah. I just want to ask you a few questions now and then later on I I will lose a few additional. But first of all, you indicated that on the 18th of July this year you were on the vessel. >> Yeah. >> Which vessel were you on? >> Azola Junior.\n\n[00:08:19] >> Azola Jr. You also stated that your occupation is a crew. Are you crew certified or you just do you have anything indicating that you're certified crew member? >> Uh I'm just working on it. >> So you are not so >> Okay. So you are not a certified crew person. You don't have a certificate. You don't have an ID. You are working towards becoming. >> Yeah. I have a um swing captain. Yeah. But sometimes others do like crew for different of my friends the people. >> Okay. So you're a certified\n\n[00:09:02] >> Yeah. >> boat captain. >> Yep. >> Do you have a copy of your certificate? Do you have anything? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So which means you would know the responsibility of a captain or a crew member on a vessel >> but more crew it does >> I repeat would you you said you are a certified captain captain coxin the same thing coxwin >> right you have that certificate\n\n[00:09:40] >> yeah I have the certificate >> right so you would know the the responsibilities of a captain and also a crew member on a vessel. >> Yeah. >> So on the 18th of July 2026, did you travel on the Kazola from Sufre to Grill? >> No. So you only traveled from How did you end up on the vessel? >> I came up on the Friday. I went to the street party. I slept over\n\n[00:10:22] in Rodney Bay and the following next day I went to the remedy. >> Okay. >> So my captain, he told me he was he wasn't going down as yet. So I told him not a problem. So I had one of my friends with me which is Wabi. He wanted to go back to Sufre. So I said like since I came with him I will not stay. I'll just go back down with them. >> So how did you get back to Sufra that evening? >> I went on Kazola Jr. >> Kazora Jr.\n\n[00:11:04] >> Yeah. >> Where did you board that vessel? Uh in Rodney Bay next to the party. >> Next to the park. >> Yeah. >> At what time did you leave the park? >> I left like 20 11. That's the time me and Wabby left. >> You left Rodney Bay 20 11? >> Yeah. >> That's that's exactly 40 minutes before midnight. Correct. >> Yeah. Where were you sitting on Kazula? >> Where?\n\n[00:11:45] >> Stabard side. >> On the starboard side. >> Yeah. >> Is it mid or a mid half or the forward part? >> Uh mid. >> Mid which is slightly ahead of the console. >> Side like the side. >> The side. >> Yeah. ahead of the console? >> Yeah. >> Were you in a position to see anything while the vessel was traveling?\n\n[00:12:12] >> No. >> Was the vessel fitted with lights? >> Yes. >> Were the lights on? >> Yes. >> How did you know the lights were on? >> They were the red, which is the starboard and the port. They were on. So, they were had the bow. So what side was the green light? >> The green light is on the left side. >> On the left side? >> Yeah. Which is >> You sure about this? >> The port. Yeah.\n\n[00:12:43] >> The green light. You are you are captain. You also serve as crew which is okay legal. >> Yeah. >> But um and you sure that the green light which is the starboard side? Green light is the port. >> Green light is the port. >> Yeah. >> Red starboard. Is there a a special exam so to speak for the literature you're given? Because to the best of my\n\n[00:13:30] knowledge, the port side is red and the starboard side is green. In other words, the red side is on your left, which is the port side of the vessel. And the right side, which is green, is the opposite. >> As I see, it's a red and a green light. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So you were sitting on the side of the green or the red? >> The red. >> So which means you were sitting on the port side of the vessel. Is that correct?\n\n[00:14:09] >> Yes sir. >> Thank you. During your journey from Pigeon Point from Rodney Bay, sorry, to the point where the accident happened, the impact. Can you walk us through that moment? Tell us exactly what happened as a captain. What did you hear? What did you see? Who you think may have said what? >> I I just heard a loud impact. >> No, before that you board, you said you left at 11:20. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And you all headed down to Sufre.\n\n[00:14:46] >> Yes. >> What happened between that time and the impact? Uh we stop uh we stop at Winjama. The guy asked for live vest. >> Do you know the person who asked for the live vest? I forget the name. >> Okay, that's fine. Was he given a live vest? >> Yes. And you show it was at win jama >> should be >> as a captain a certified captain >> you would be familiar with the landmarks around\n\n[00:15:34] the coast because you are certified. >> Sorry about it. It was an slurry slurry asked for the live vest >> on slurry. >> Yeah. >> So why did you stop at wing jama? Any particular reason? >> No we didn't stop at wjama. our answer and slowly we stop >> because it win jama have kept have been in that conversation twice so I'm just wondering did something happen at wing jamba >> no >> what speed do you estimate that your the\n\n[00:16:09] person were you the driving the boat or somebody else >> no I was there as like a passenger >> a passenger >> but being a crew member from another vessel being a captaincertified a crew certified person, you would have seen something. >> Well, the the place I sitted, I couldn't see anything cuz it was dark. >> Okay. When you left Rodney Bay, there is a rock or a reef outside Winjama slightly. You familiar with that\n\n[00:16:44] rock or FA beach? >> Yeah, I familiar. No, it has a lights on it. Yeah. They call it the barello beef or furu rock with a white flashing light on top. >> Yeah. >> Did you see that rock that night? >> Yes. >> Was the light on? >> Yes. >> How dark was it? >> Didn't really thought of it, but I just see it had a light on. >> Okay. So between the the the point where you departed Rodney Bay\n\n[00:17:21] Gil that is to the point of the impact. How long do you believe that vessel that vessel took to travel? Minutes just a rough estimate. >> Estimate 25 30 minutes. >> 25 to 30 minutes. >> Yeah. Were you comfortable with the speed at which the vessel was traveling? >> Well, yes. Yes. >> Did you hear anyone ask to slow down? >> Yes, it was Kazola Jr.\n\n[00:18:10] He told Tyson to slow down cuz he was going a little bit fast. >> Rolling side to side because the the se was bumpy I guess. Or the speed of the boat. >> Just the speed of the boat. Just a little. So in in my my my question to you is based on your based on your area of expertise as a captain and a crew member Did you feel that you had an obligation to intervene in what was happening or to say it was too fast? It was a bit too rough.\n\n[00:19:12] >> Yes, I could. >> Did you? >> I didn't tell him that cuz the um Kazola Jr. told him that. That's why >> no I am saying as a certified captain as a certified crew member knowing the responsibilities of a person with that qualification on a vessel. Did you at any time ask the person handling the vessel that captain to do otherwise? >> No. Okay. So it would be correct to say that that vessel took roughly 25 to 30 minutes from\n\n[00:19:53] Gile to the point of the impact. >> Yep. Yes. >> What did you do or what did you what did you see prior to the impact? >> I didn't see anything. I just felt like a huge impact fly over the boats and I end up in the sea. >> And what happened after? I saw they were Taylor young lady and his and hus husband and they said like they want they were shouting for help. After that I saw the captain jump in the sea. He swim um towards me and after that I told him\n\n[00:20:40] there is um the people right there need some help and he went to help them out. So you would agree that the vessel was traveling too fast for the number of persons under sea condition that day in question. Well, depends on the sea of the level of the condition of the sea. I would say not really. The question was, would you agree that the vessel was traveling too fast? As a captain, would you agree that the vessel was traveling too fast\n\n[00:21:29] based on the number of persons on board, which would have been about nine based on the visibility that was impaired, restricted or the condition of the sea and the condition of the sea that day in question on the 18th of July? >> Yes, >> it was. >> Yes. should tell no >> be clear is yes what was I just want to be clear on what you saying yes to >> said about um >> come again say that >> you want me to repeat the question\n\n[00:22:11] >> so the question I asked you was as a captain as a qualified captain yourself you would agree do you agree that The vessel was traveling too fast based on the fact that it was dark, the condition of the sea, and the number of persons on board at the time. >> Yes, it was. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Edwards. >> Yeah. Good afternoon. >> Um, I want to revisit your certification just to confirm you are certified crew or certified boat\n\n[00:23:07] captain. >> Well, I was certified for captain, but I wanted to go for crew for now. And do you have currently in your possession this certification issued by Slaspa? >> Yes. Working on it. >> You're working on which part of it? >> The crew license. But do you have any documentation from Slasper verifying what you are certified in? >> Yes.\n\n[00:23:52] >> And would you be able to make a copy available for us? >> No problem. Yeah. >> How soon can you make that available? Well, anytime soon. What's that? >> Anytime soon. I have a time. I could >> Do you have it on you right now? >> No. >> So soon, would you be able to make it available to us? By Friday, I have like a photo copy of >> Yes. You can check. Yeah. >> And when did you obtain this certification from Slasper?\n\n[00:24:39] It was 2022. So in 2022, just 4 years ago, you had this certification from Slasper as for a boat captain. Correct. >> Yeah. And now you chose insert to be certified crew. >> Yes. So currently you are employed with Israel King boat tours. >> Yes. What exactly do you do on the boats for Israel King boat tours? >> I work in screw now.\n\n[00:25:28] >> A screw. And your base where? >> Say that again. >> Where is the operation base? >> In Rodney Bay. >> In Rodney Bay or in the marina? >> In the marina. Okay, let's go back to the 18th of July 2026. When you boarded the vessel to head to Sufra, was there a safety briefing on the ball? >> No, sir. And at that time were you a passenger or\n\n[00:26:20] a crew? >> Passenger. >> So as a certified boat captain you can confirm upon boarding that there was no safety briefing. >> Yes sir. You as a certified boat captain. Why didn't you put on a life jacket? Well, I'm a very good swimmer, I could say. >> So, in your course during your work with Israel King Boat Tours, do you wear a life jacket?\n\n[00:27:03] >> Yeah, sometimes. Not all times, but sometimes. >> How How often is sometimes? >> Well, when my mind tell me to hold it, I'll just hold it on. And how often does your mind tell you to put it on out of 10? >> Well, sometimes I would say six, seven times. >> Say that again. >> Seven times. >> So, seven times out of 10, your mind tells you to put on a life jacket. and and in your junior work with Israel King both boat tours,\n\n[00:27:39] are there daily safety briefings before you go out? >> Yes, sir. >> And and how often does that take place? >> Every time. >> Yes, sir. >> Is there a reason why it's every time? Yes. >> And what's the reason? >> To always make sure like the clients know where everything is in case of our emergency. >> And who are normally the clients for these Israel boat tours?\n\n[00:28:19] >> I don't know the clients. They get them from different places. >> What's that? >> I don't know the clients. They get them from different places. I just walking. So, are the clients normally tourists or nationals? >> Tourists. Okay. So, going back to the day you boarded the vessel heading to Sufra, you're a certified boat captain and on that day your mind told you not to wear a life jacket. Correct? >> Yes.\n\n[00:28:55] >> Okay. What was the weather like? was a little dark. Couldn't see anything for me where I was sitting. >> Was it raining? >> No, it wasn't raining. What was the sea like? Just a little choppy. >> Choppy in terms of the waves or the way the vessel was moving? >> The waves. And can you recall the average speed the boat was heading? >> No. >> Oh. And who was captaining the boat at the\n\n[00:29:35] time? >> Tyson. Do you recall if there were any other crew members on the vessel assisting Captain Tyson? There was Janelle which is Morado. He was the first smith. >> He was the first. And where was he located on the vessel? >> He was at the bow looking out. >> Was he sitting or standing? >> He was sitting but he was looking out. >> Okay. So during the voyage\n\n[00:30:26] down to Sufra at any moment did did the vessel stop at all? Come again. During the voyage heading down to Sufra at any one point in time did the vessel stop at any one moment >> at Suare. So, so you traveled from Rodney Bay all the way to Sufra without stopping. Now they stop. They stop for the live vest which is unso and that's when after that 5 minutes after we get the impact of >> 5 minutes after stopping for the life\n\n[00:31:14] jacket. >> Yeah. And do you recall who the life jacket was for? >> The life jacket was given to Taylor's boyfriend. Taylor's boyfriend. Do you recall the speed at which the vessel was moving from Rodney Bay to the point of stopping of answering for the jack life jacket? No. No sir. You are a certified boat captain, correct? >> Yes sir. >> But you do not recall the speed at which the vessel was traveling? >> Yes sir.\n\n[00:32:01] >> Why is that? Not really. I can recall. Was there a particular reason? >> Can't remember. And during this voyage, were you eating or or drinking anything in particular? >> That was at this that was at the party. I I drink a little compar and orange juice and after that is more water. I don't really drink. How much compari did you have prior to the voyage? >> I had one shot of compari and orange juice and after that is more water. >> So there was water on the vessel.\n\n[00:32:46] >> No, I bought it uh at the party. >> Okay. So you mentioned that Mado was the first mate and he was sitting on the bow. >> Yes. I just took a ride from Rodney Bay to Sufria cuz I know Kazola Jr. We grew up together. So he gave me a ride from the party to cuz I was with one of my friends Wabi. He came from New York. So he wanted to have a good time. So I go with him. So would you say Mado was assisting Captain Tyson during the journey from Rodney Bay to Sufra?\n\n[00:33:32] >> Yes, he was the one looking out. >> So he was the lookout person. >> Yes. And based on your recollection, can you confirm the visibility during that voyage? >> No. When you say no, no to can remember. >> You can't remember. >> Yeah. Is there anything about that night's voyage that you do remember? >> Well, I got a few injuries too that in\n\n[00:34:23] my forehead and my leg. >> And where on the vessel were you seated? >> I sit uh on the side. >> Which side? which is the right hand side. >> Right hand side. So to the best of your memory, can you briefly describe just before the accident what comes to mind? Nothing. Cuz before the accident is just the live\n\n[00:35:06] vest the guy asked for and after five minutes to 6 minutes after I we got a huge impact and after that I fly over. >> A huge impact. Was there a loud noise? >> Well, I didn't know any noise. I just like heard like a impact like a little sound of impact because I fly over the boats into the sea. Okay. And what happened while you were in the sea? Immediately I saw Taylor and a boyfriend. They asking for help. I told Tyson assist them. After that we took the boat. I swim to the boat. We bought the boat. I saw one of my friends\n\n[00:36:01] which is Wabby and was broken and the tip was ripped up ripped off and soon as we was heading back with the boat the boat just flip over with us and we had to just swim to one of the yachts and after that we had one of our friends he took us from the yacht and he bring us to Tikai. We stayed there hour and a half waiting for the ambulance. After that we had to call the next one of our friends from Sufre. They came to get us and they bring us to the hospital and there were ambulance waiting for us. While you were in the water, did you notice anybody with a life jacket?\n\n[00:36:46] >> Only Taylor boyfriend I saw. >> And did you see any other life jackets in the water? I didn't really look out for that. I didn't see them. >> While in the water, did you make any phone calls? >> I lost my phone. >> Lost your phone? >> I didn't add anything. I lost everything. >> Thank you, Mr. Edwin. >> Yes. Mr. Edward, good afternoon. >> Yeah, good afternoon, sir.\n\n[00:37:33] >> You have admitted here today that you you did sign a statement which was recorded by the police. >> Yes, sir. I will ask you again. How many persons wore life jackets on the vessel that night? >> One of one of them which is boyfriend. >> Who was that? >> I don't know his name, but I know it's Taylor's boyfriend. >> Uh, are you telling us the absolute truth here today, Mr.? >> Yes, sir. It's nothing to lie about.\n\n[00:38:11] >> Let me let me take you back to your statement. On page two of your statement, I was seated on the second seat from the front of the boat and I could not see anything ahead of me. I am a very good swimmer and I forgot to put on a life jacket. Taylor's husband and about two other persons were the only ones wearing life jackets. >> Would you agree that you said so to the police? >> Yeah, it was still a boyfriend alone. >> Was that\n\n[00:38:56] >> Taylor boyfriend alone? So when you said to the police in your statement that two other persons, Taylor's husband and about two other persons were the only ones wearing life jackets. >> Why? Why did you say so? >> Maybe I couldn't remember. It was I was fresh. I couldn't remember anything. I couldn't remember everything. >> So you couldn't remember everything. Yeah, cuz I know he's the only person that as for a live vest. >> So now you're saying that the only person who was wearing a live vest was\n\n[00:39:35] >> Taylor's wife, >> as you described it, Taylor's husband. >> Yes. >> And nobody else. Is there anything you could have forgotten? >> Not really about that. >> Let's talk about the lookout. >> Who was the lookout on that night? Um, Janelle. >> Janelle. >> Yeah. >> And in your estimation, and again, we going back to your experience as a well, I'm not even too sure. You you say a\n\n[00:40:07] boat captain, then you say now you you viney to become a crew member. So, we're not too sure what what what where you really lie. But, um, you seem to have some experience with the sea. Is that not so? Yeah, I've experienced the sea. >> How often do you travel at night >> above sea growing vessels? >> Not really. Unless if we have someone call me for a tour to go and do >> at night. >> Yeah. If it's at night, I don't have no\n\n[00:40:48] choice. I have to eat. So, I can stay there without doing anything. >> What? What kind of what kind of tours do you do at night? >> Well, I don't really do like different people that call me, you know. >> What kind of tours do you do at night? >> I don't really do tours. I just if like we go on a little, you know, like one of the boats call me to do like job few people like different places like locals and stuff. >> How often does that happen? >> Not really. >> Not really. More\n\n[00:41:26] afternoon I as well. >> More afternoon. >> Yeah. Again with your experience and what you would have seen of where Mouvado was on that boat, do you believe he was positioned to see ahead of him? >> Yes. and that he was in a position where he would have been able to warn the captain of any oncoming danger. >> I'm not too sure about that one. >> You're not too sure about what?\n\n[00:42:16] >> About knowing if he sure to see at the front. I know he see at the front of him, but I'm not too sure if he sees anything. >> No, I'm asking you in your estimation. Yeah. >> Where he was positioned, >> was it one where he he possibly could have seen ahead of him, ahead of the vessel in your estimation? >> Yeah, should be. >> And and and you're saying if you were seated or in the same position that Mado was, do you think you would have been able to see ahead of the vessel?\n\n[00:42:52] >> Yes, >> you would have. >> Yes. Have you played the role of lookout before? >> Yes. >> At night? >> Yes. >> You've played the role of look out at night? >> Yes. But not all times. Sometimes. >> No, I'm asking you. But you've played the role. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. Let us just suppose that you the lookout\n\n[00:43:16] on a vessel. >> Yeah. >> And you perfectly position to see ahead. What is the possibility of you seeing or having sight of a vessel approaching you? A vessel that did not have lights on. >> Well, the night we we were it was dark. I I would say couldn't see anything. >> Even if you were perfectly positioned as a lookout, if it was too dark, you would not see a vessel approaching without lights. >> If you don't have light, we won't see anything.\n\n[00:43:53] Unless >> not not even if that vessel not even at least say 15 ft away from you. >> Well, if it's 15 ft and it have like a color white you could see. You could see a little something like the white spot. >> You would have seen a white spot. >> Yeah. if it's all right. Yeah. >> And and if Mov was perfectly positioned that as that lookout like you say, um based on your experience as a lookout yourself, what is it on that night that may have prevented him from seeing the oncoming\n\n[00:44:41] vessel? Tell me some of the things that could have prevented him from seeing the oncoming vessel. Well, I would say the the lights. Yeah. >> The >> the lights sometime the lights prevent him from seeing. >> Which lights would prevent you from seeing? >> Put on the starboard lights in front of >> on your very vessel. >> Yeah. >> So So the port and starboard lights on the vessel that you are the lookout >> from can obscure your view or prevent\n\n[00:45:10] you from seeing. >> Yeah. >> That's what you're saying. >> Yeah. That's in the night. >> Has that happened to you before? ction. If you sit very close to the right, you won't see. >> Have you experienced that before? >> Yeah, I experienced that's why >> you have experienced that before. >> What else could have could prevent the lookout from seeing ahead say 15 20 30 ft ahead? What else? >> Why say that I couldn't? >> No, no. What I'm saying in your\n\n[00:45:36] experience as a lookout, you said one of the things that could have prevented you from seeing ahead was the reflection of the the lights from your very own vessel. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Good. What else? What else could prevent you from seeing ahead as a lookout >> in your exper? >> Okay. We've established that you are perfectly positioned to see ahead. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Forget about where else you could have s sat that could have prevented you from seeing ahead. We've established\n\n[00:46:09] that you perfectly positioned to see ahead. One of the impediments would be the bright lights of your own vessel. What else? If you perfectly positioned, what else could have could have prevented you or could prevent you from seeing ahead? And I'm asking you to draw from your own experience as a lookout. I would say if it's very dark. >> If it's very dark. >> Yeah. >> Anything else? >> Nothing else. How about How about if you if you are\n\n[00:46:49] sort of distracted from some let's say alcohol, some other drug. How does that impact your ability to operate as a lookout? >> Um, I'm not too sure. >> Not too sure. You've never you've never >> experiencing different >> experience the role as a lookout under the influence of alcohol or any other drug? You've never >> No. So you're saying from your experience two things could have been the reflection of the light from your very own boat or that the weather conditions were\n\n[00:47:30] caused a situation where it would have been too dark. >> Yes. How about coupled with the fact that the oncoming vessel may not have had lights? >> Say that again. >> What's about the fact that the oncoming the vessel coming towards you was without lights? Could that also cause you not to see that vessel? Yeah, I would say that. >> You would say that? >> Yeah. >> Have you spoken to Mado since the\n\n[00:48:18] accident? >> Yeah, we talk about that cuz we stay the same place. >> Okay. Um >> live the same place. >> And what what what has he told you about the oncoming vessel? >> Well, he told me he didn't say anything coming. >> He said he didn't see anything coming. by muffing was the reflection of the light prevent him from seeing. >> Did he tell you that? >> He didn't tell me nothing after that. >> No, I'm saying why would you think it\n\n[00:48:45] was the reflection of the light that prevented him from seeing? >> Well, that means where he was sitting at the front of the boat, which is the bow. >> So, you're saying, and let let us get it clear again. If you're sitting too close to the lights, you're saying, >> it can cause you >> a little reflection. >> The reflection of that light could cause you not to see ahead. >> Yeah. >> And you've experienced that yourself, you say? >> Yeah.\n\n[00:49:13] >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Edward. >> Yeah. You're welcome. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Edward. >> Good afternoon. >> How long have you been a first mate? Let's see. >> Been a It's been a while. >> 10 years. 15 years. >> I would say 15 years. >> 15 years. And how long have you been a boot captain? >> I haven't been a boat captain. I just\n\n[00:49:57] want to do like the cost. >> So as of today's date you are not a certified boat captain? >> As yet I just have the like the swing. Your pardon? >> I have the swing which is the certificate. So are you aware that all vessels living ports must communicate to the lighthouse as to their intended destination and the number of passengers? >> Yes. Did you observe whether Tyson communicated with the lighthouse his departure from Gilelay?\n\n[00:50:55] >> No. >> Did it raise any concerns for you that he did not communicate with the lighthouse? >> No. And you said you all were not given any safety instructions prior to departure from Gil, right? >> No. >> Would you say that a swing license and a captain license is the same? >> Cox swing is the captain. So, which license do you currently have? >> I have the certificate for the captain. >> A certificate?\n\n[00:51:44] >> Yeah. >> But you are not a boot captain >> as yet. >> As in. >> Sorry, what was that answer? >> He's not a boot captain as yet. >> As yet? >> Yes. So, did you find it strange that there were no safety protocols given to the passengers prior to departure? >> I'm not too sure about it. >> No. Based on your experience and based on what it is that you're accustomed to or when you both crew on the boat that\n\n[00:52:27] you >> work on. Oh, yeah. Would you say that it was strange that >> on Jun >> there were no safety protocols given to the passengers prior to departure? >> I get picked up in Rodney Bay and know if they did like any you know briefing so I just ask him for a ride cuz one of my friends was on the boat already wi. So you did not bought the boat from its departure in Gile. >> From Gil to Sufare, but it came from Sufi, go up to Goile and it came back\n\n[00:53:02] from >> No. So it left Pigeon Island. >> Yeah. >> So when it left Pigeon Island, now are you saying that it stopped Rodney Bay? >> Pigeon Island, that's where we were in the party, >> right? So I'm saying when y'all left the party? >> Yeah. >> Y'all boarded the boat? No safety protocols were given. I'm saying, did you find that strange that the captain gave no indications as to where the life jackets were? What was\n\n[00:53:35] the safety procedures prior to departure? >> No. >> And had you ever traveled on Kaza Jr. prior to the night of the 18th of July, 2026? Come again. >> Prior to the night of the accident. >> Yeah. >> Have you ever traveled on Kazula Jr.? >> Not really. >> Not really. Yes or no? >> No. No. No. >> So, did you bring it to the attention of the captain or the crew that no safety\n\n[00:54:14] protocols were given to the passengers? No. Did you observe whether Tyson consumed alcohol on the night of the 18th of July, 2020? >> No. >> Okay. So, you stated in your statement that the sea was a little rough that night, so Tyson sped up to ride the waves. Is that a normal course of action once their um waves are of that the captain speeds up? >> Yeah. >> And you stated that you forgot to put on a life jacket.\n\n[00:55:01] >> So if a life jacket was offered to you prior to departure, would you have worn it? >> Yeah, I will take it. Did you hear anyone warn Tyson about any other oncoming vessels? >> No. >> Did you observe whether Tyson was looking ahead? >> Yes. >> Yes. You observed. >> Yeah, he was. >> He was looking ahead. >> Yes. Could\n\n[00:55:45] you tell us where exactly you were seated on the vessel? You may have already, but >> on the right side of the >> Was your view been obstructed by any of the passengers? >> No. Since the visibility was poor, you were not concerned at all with the speed at which the boat was traveling? >> No. >> Did you know where the life jackets one bought the vessel? >> Yes.\n\n[00:56:34] You also stated that you felt an impact and you realized that the boat had collided with another vessel. Did you see any other vessel before the impact or did you see any lights of any other vessel? >> No. >> Did you hear any warning signals? >> No. Do you know what the emergency protocols are following a boat collision? >> Yes. >> Come again. Mhm. >> In your capacity as a crew and you said you did a swing cost.\n\n[00:57:20] >> Um so you're very familiar with the OC and what the protocols and procedures are. I'm saying as it relates to emergency protocols following a boat collision, are you aware of what they are? >> Yes. >> Can you just explain to us what you know to be the cause of action following a boat collision? >> The cause of action from >> Yeah. What what happens after an accident on sea? >> As I know, right? What are you supposed to do if a boat\n\n[00:58:01] that you're on >> is involved in an accident? >> I'm not too sure. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Mr. Edward, I'm coming back to you again based on a statement you gave the police. So, we are now looking at page two of your statement and I read, excuse. At that point, I realized that we had collided with another boat. Tyson jumped off the boat and saved Taylor and the\n\n[00:59:00] husband. So, is it true that Tyson was the captain? >> Yes. >> Thank you. I swam back to the boat and went on board and saw Wabby had what appeared to be broken arm, a broken arm and his tooth. rip off from his gum. Mango realized that the boat was taken in water, so he drove it to shore, but it capsized. Is that correct? >> Yes, sir. >> My question to you very simple. as a boat captain.\n\n[00:59:44] Do you believe that Mango should have stayed in the area as the owner of the boat knowing that he had nine passengers on board? >> Just before you answer, I understood from one of your answers that you said I have the certificate, but I'm not a boat captain. Are you a boat captain or are you not a boat captain? Yeah, I'm a boat captain, but when you have the card, you could start driving the boats. But if you don't have the card, you can operate the boat. >> So, are you a boat captain or >> Yeah, I'm a boat captain.\n\n[01:00:20] >> Very well. >> One second, Mr. Chair. So, my question to you, Mr. Edward, as a boat captain, do you believe that Mango being involved in an accident as the owner of the boat, seeing the captain jump in the water trying to save persons? He chose rather to drive his boat away from the point of the accident to save it on the shore rather than saving persons. Do you believe in your fair judgment as a captain that was the right thing for him to do?\n\n[01:01:15] I will say yes. >> You believe that it was the right thing for the owner of a boat to save the boat rather than to save persons in the water? >> Well, in the water, I would say in the water, it's much better saving them cuz in the boat, they in the boat already. Yes. >> If you were the captain of the vessel that evening, would you pay attention to the persons who were crying for help in the water or would you try to save your boat? >> I would um save the person in the water.\n\n[01:01:56] >> But you realize that the owner of Mango did the opposite. There were persons in the water and in your own statement you said he drove the boat to the shore. >> Yeah, there was still there still a couple of people on the boat still. You also indicated that you and a few other persons swam to a nearby boat. >> Yeah. As a captain of a boat, a certified captain in which you indicated, don't you believe it would have made reasonable sense, I use the word reasonable sense to try to locate life jackets to give persons because you\n\n[01:02:42] are good swimmer rather than to do otherwise. >> Yes. >> Did you do that? >> No, I didn't. >> And there were persons in the water calling for help. Cuz I were in the water too. >> Say again. >> I was in the water too. >> So you save yourself >> fly over the boat. >> Yeah. >> So >> I swim. So as soon as I fly over the\n\n[01:03:10] boat, I swim back to the boat to help the one of my friends and the people that was on the boat cuz I saw the captain jump in the sea to help one of the people that couldn't swim. >> Yes, that is established. You clearly said that he saved Tyson, jump over the boat and saved Taylor and her husband. So that is the responsibility of a captain in the event of an incident. He tried to save as many persons as possible. So it is established that Tyson did just that. >> Yeah. Yeah, but it is also in your statement that the owner of the vessel\n\n[01:03:46] did choose to drive his boat to save the boat rather than some of the persons in the water calling for help. Bear in mind also, sir, that there were supposed to be life jackets. As a boat captain, would you not think it would be better to try to get as many life jackets and just send all over to the persons in the water rather than to save your boat? Yes. So you would agree with me that the owner of Kazola and his lookout um just refresh my name with the lookout\n\n[01:04:29] commissioner Mavado. So you would agree with me based on the statement that you gave the police that the owner of Kazola Jr. and his first mate Mavado failed to try to save as many persons as possible in the water which would have been the responsibility of a captain and a crew in the event of an accident. >> Yes, >> they fail. >> Yes. For what? >> No, they don't fail. >> Very very Yes. What? Tell me what you're saying yes to.\n\n[01:05:06] >> Come again. Repeat. >> I'm going to take my time slowly. You indicated previously that if you you save somebody based on what you're saying. >> Yeah. >> You also in your statement to the police said that Tyson which was the boat captain also jump in the water and you are very specific to say that he saved Taylor and her husband. >> Yes. >> As a boat captain that was his responsibility to try to save persons. He did. But you also indicate in the\n\n[01:05:39] statement that you gave to the police that the owner of Kazola Jr. and his first mate Mado, they swam away. It's in your statement. So you would you agree with me that the owner of Kazola and his lookout failed to try to save as many persons as possible, but rather chose to save the boat. It's in your statement. >> No, it's that's when he >> just a minute. Mhm. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, if you were the captain of the vessel at the time of\n\n[01:07:46] the impact, would it be safe to say that you would have chosen to dish out as many life jackets as possible under the circumstances? >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Mr. Edward, you captain boots before. Well, not really captains, but different time I hold it for the captain when he doing something. Let's hold it for the captain when he doing something. >> Yeah. >> Um, has there ever been a time\n\n[01:08:29] you would have captain a boat without a lookout? >> Always. Uh, always look out. I like whenever I um someone captains a boat, they always have to look out. >> Let's be honest. Um sometimes boats are captain without lookouts. Let's be honest. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> it happens. >> Yeah, it happens. I'm going to be honest to you, it happens. Yeah. And when that happens, um, from a lot of the evidence we've heard before this commission,\n\n[01:09:00] um, it appears very rarely because of the design of the boat and maybe because of the speed of the boat, the captain is very rarely able to see ahead of him. Am I correct? >> Yeah. >> Right. And when that captain does not have a lookout, how does he guide the boat? How does he keep to a cost without a lookout if he as that captain cannot see ahead? Walk us through that. How does it work? >> Well, you just have to slow down on your speed to see everything in front of you.\n\n[01:09:37] >> You have to slow down. >> Slow down your pace. If you have a high pace and you can't see anything, you just have to slow. But but it appears it it appears from all what we've heard that captains do take the chance to drive these boats at high speed even without a lookout. Some captains do that, don't they? >> Well, I I won't lie. I will say some of them do. But >> Right. And when they do that, captaining the boat at high speed with\n\n[01:10:20] no lookout, it it prevents them from seeing ahead. >> Yeah. >> And when that happens, how do they control that boat? How do they keep it on cost? What else would they use to keep it on cost apart from slowing down? Because they continue to to to to drive at high speed. Their view is blocked by the bow of the boat. How do they keep it on cost? >> Well, by looking at >> looking out where? >> The sides, which is the starboard or the port side.\n\n[01:10:53] >> And when you look out the side, do you get a clear view of the front of the boat? >> Well, depends on how high you is standing behind the boat. You could see clear in front of you. >> You'll see. >> You could see much better in front of you depend on how high you is, which is >> But you would not see You would not have a complete view of your front. >> Yeah. >> In that case. >> Yeah.\n\n[01:11:18] >> So you would be pretty much taking a chance to to to put it in our local language. You would be taking a chance to do that. >> No, I doesn't take chance. >> No, I'm saying if a captain was to do that. >> Yeah. >> He would be taking a chance. >> Well, I'm not sure about it. >> You're not sure? >> Yeah. And do you believe if a captain did that, drove the boat at such speed that the\n\n[01:11:44] bow of the boat went up into the air and he's unable to see ahead of him, but yet continued to move that vessel forward. that he would have been acting negligent. >> Well, I'm not I'm not too sure about >> you're not too sure. >> Yeah. >> You you do you think it would be a proper for a boat captain not having proper sight of his front to continue to drive that boat at high speed? Would it be proper if that happened? >> No,\n\n[01:12:29] >> it would not be. >> Yeah, cuz always have to have a look. >> Right. But in But in your experience, it happens, doesn't it? >> Well, I know. I'm not too sure about it. But I different people if different people does it. >> But are you aware that it happens? >> Well, I would say yeah, >> it happened. >> But I'm not too sure about it. I'll see. Yeah. >> But you've never done it? >> No. But you would agree that it happens.\n\n[01:12:57] >> Yeah. Yeah. I will see that. >> Thank you, mister. >> Yes, Mr. Edward. Um, I have one question for you. If this commission were to give you a recess of let's say 10 minutes, would you be able to go to Slasper and get a copy with the permission of the chairman to show that you are actually a certified boat captain? >> Well, I was saying I have the certificate home. I could send send in the photos again.\n\n[01:13:42] >> Okay. >> I have uh one question which I forgot to ask you. Mr. Edward, prior to the 18th of July 2026, have you ever cooed on any vessel captain by Tyson Hippolit? >> Come again. Prior to the 18th of July, 2026, the day of the incident, have you ever worked on a vessel captain by Tyson Hippolit? >> No. >> You You've never? >> No, sir.\n\n[01:14:28] So you only work on Israel King boat tours based in the Rodney Bay Marina and you don't work on any vessels based in Sufra. Well, I don't know. I work on a few of the vessels like if different captain you know like my friends they tell me they have a little trip. If I'm want to do it I'll go do it. But >> so you do work on vessels outside of Israel King boat tours. >> Yes. >> And you work in the capacity as a certified boat captain.\n\n[01:15:12] Yes. I have I have the I have the swing but right now I have to go for the card. So when you have the card you could start driving the boat. >> Okay. So I'm just asking you to confirm that you do work on other boats outside of Israel King Boat tours based in Rodney Bay Marina. >> Yes or no? >> Yes. >> Thank you. Okay, let's let's get certain things clear. >> Yes, sir.\n\n[01:15:55] >> Your certification to operate a boat. >> Yeah. >> Is certification for the captaining of a boat? >> Yeah, captain. Do you require different certification for you to operate as a a first officer um in a position other than as captain? Do you require a different certification for that purpose? >> Yeah. >> And do you have such certification? >> I have the certificate for captain Sony. >> Okay. >> Yeah.\n\n[01:16:33] The whatever certificate or certificates you have, do you have them at your home? Do you have copies of them? >> Yeah, I have a copy. >> Where do you work? In Sufare or in in Castries? >> In Rodney Bay? >> In Rodney Bay. And how soon you can get a copy of that to us? >> I could get it by Friday. >> By Friday. >> Yeah. We'll send it to you. >> And you where will you be on Friday? Will you be in grocery? Would you be in sou? Because wherever you are,\n\n[01:17:04] >> we want to get the certificate on on Friday. If it's if you're in Sufre, then you'll have to take it to the Suare police station or bring it um up north at a place that you will be directed. >> No problem. >> You are going to be where are you would you be better placed to deliver it to the police station in Sufra? >> Yeah. >> And by what time do you expect to do so? >> Like by noon? No, by 12. on >> on Friday, you would deliver to the Sufre police station a copy of whatever\n\n[01:17:40] certification you have as an a boat operator. >> Yeah. when you work on on the the boat with the name. >> Yes. >> When you work with Israel King's boat tour though, >> in what capacity do you work on that boat? On these boats? >> I just start working. >> You just start working there? >> Yeah. As a crew? >> As a crew? Yeah. Okay. And you are you saying you are certified or not\n\n[01:18:19] certified to do that? >> Well, I'm I'm working I had my as soon as I tell you I had my like the captain license. So, I decided uh I don't want to do captain as yet. I want to go for the crew license. >> Mhm. But you do not have that license >> for the crew. >> Yes. You do not have that license. >> I'm working on it now. >> But you do not have it at the moment. >> No, I don't have it. Have you ever had one? >> Well, no.\n\n[01:18:48] >> And but you have for a while now been operating as crew without the license. >> Well, >> we're not looking to prosecute you, you We're not looking to send you to jail or anything like that. We're looking to get the facts as to what happened on that day, how boats operate in Sare so that that we can we it can be properly organized for you and others who who make their living >> operating boats. So don't hesitate to answer questions. You need to speak to us truthfully rather than to avoid saying certain things because as I say\n\n[01:19:25] at the end of this, the aim is not to send you to prison. The aim is to find out what happened, why it happened and how we can avoid it happening in future. >> All right, sir. >> I want to establish >> Yeah. >> Is it correct to say that you have been been operating as crew on boats for years now? >> Yes, sir. >> And that you doing so without having a license to do so? >> Yes, sir. And has that ever created a problem for\n\n[01:19:57] you with the port authority, with the police, with the marine unit? Have you ever had a problem with any of these agencies as a result of your operating a boat as crew without having a license? >> No. >> Nobody from marine unit, from the police, from Slasper ever checked on you, pull you up on the fact that look, you you operating a boat, but you don't have a license to do so. Nobody has ever done that. >> Well, I would say the guys, you know, he told like different of the guys that so everything is coming out. So, everybody\n\n[01:20:33] have to prepare. That's why everyone is preparing. >> But that has followed up. >> No one has ever told you so or told you that what you're doing is incorrect and you should no longer be doing it. >> Well, I get few people from Slasper. They tell me that already. >> Ah, well, that's important. That's what I'm trying to find out now. So you're saying Slasper personnel from Slasper have told you that you ought not to be operating a boat without a crew license? >> Yeah. >> And when when was that? Who was that?\n\n[01:21:02] Are you in a position to tell us that? That was last week, last month, 5 years ago. Are you in a position to tell us when you were last spoken to by personnel from Slasper about your operation of a boat without a license? Well, I would say it's been like close to a year now. >> Close to a year now. >> Yeah. So that's why I want to go. >> Okay. And that the Slasper official is it that you went to Slasper, they came to you, they sent somebody to you. How did that interaction with Slasper take place?\n\n[01:21:35] >> Well, they sent someone to me. >> They sent somebody to you. and your response to Slasper official about a year ago um coming to you about the your your your the legitimacy of your operation of a boat. Did you do anything? Did you as a result of that did you stop operating the boat? Did you go to Slasper to try to get your situation regularized? What exactly did you do as a result of Slasper officials talking to you? Well, I was stopped operating the boat and I start working on my crew license for now. >> So, you stopped operating the boat after\n\n[01:22:13] that? >> Yeah. And working on the crew license. >> And how long since you stopped operating on the boat? >> Uh, it's been just a lot 6 months. So, >> about 6 months. >> Yeah. >> So, right now you are not working on the boat. >> No, >> you not working on the boat now, nor yesterday, nor last week, nor last month. Um I have to have the license first.\n\n[01:22:40] >> Do you work otherwise apart from on boards? >> Well, I work with few boats from Sufi with a single engine. >> Sorry. >> Like uh there has a boat from Sophine like sometimes he has some friends to take out sometimes I go with him. >> You not you do not require license to do so. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But you do so without the license. >> Yes. >> Tell me, you mentioned when you operate the the the boat,\n\n[01:23:23] you all do you do trips with with tourists. You do trips transporting tourists from from this point to that point. Yeah. But it's it's been a little time. I haven't done it. >> But that's what you used to do with Israel. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. That's what you did there. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And you you worked a lot with tourists? >> Yeah. Tourists. And when you work with the tourists, is it was it the practice that before you'll start on the trip\n\n[01:23:54] that you would inform them about uh having live vest that they're live vest on and that they should be wearing live vests and other safety protocols? Do you do that when you're operating the boat with tourists? >> Yeah. >> Do you do it when you >> normally the captain does it? >> Okay. Is it done when you're working with locals? Yeah, it does it also the local. >> So you are saying that when the boat is being operated that is Israel King boat tours whenever\n\n[01:24:28] that boat is being operated whether with tourists or with locals it is the practice to go through all the safety briefings with the passengers. >> Yes. No. You're not sure? >> Yeah. Yes. Yes. And that is done all the time. >> Yes sir. >> But you would travel on a boat where there are nine persons on board and nobody no security or safety briefing is given. And you don't have a problem with that? >> No sir. >> You never pointed out to to the captain\n\n[01:25:04] or to anybody, look, we we have nine people on board. No safety briefing has been given. That didn't concern you at all. So cuz I'm the is just the last person to board. It was me cuz it's very close with me. That's why. >> I'm trying to understand that. Does that mean you were not sure whether the safety briefing had already been given? >> Yes. >> So you believe it might have been given? >> I'm not too sure if it was given but I didn't know. >> You're not too sure. Sorry. >> I didn't sure if they were given the\n\n[01:25:37] briefing. Yeah. Between you and me, you think they were given any briefing? >> Well, I'm not too sure. I'm not too sure. I wouldn't say they did any briefing. >> If there was a a sure and not sure? >> No, they didn't. >> They didn't. Yeah. I I I believe you that they didn't. And that's why I tell you, >> tell us what happened. Nobody is going to send a policeman to you when you walk out the door. It is for us to know and understand what happened. And I say to avoid it happening tomorrow. So when you\n\n[01:26:08] ask a question, answer truthfully. It's going to help you and all the other boat operators and everybody else in the country to do things better and safer if we know exactly what is going on. >> Yes, sir. >> So I will get back to the question. If you operate the boat with tourists on board, you will always go through the safety briefings. >> Yes, Chairman. >> And other boat operators do the same thing when they carry tourists as far as you're aware. >> Yes, some of them does.\n\n[01:26:51] >> Some of them. >> I'm not too sure about all of them. in terms of when they carry locals. >> Um, I too sure about that one. >> You're not too sure about that one >> cuz I know even though it's local, you always have to brief. >> Okay. And you when you work on the boat, you're saying you always do so with locals or with tourists? >> Tourists. Yes. Chairman. >> And you believe that that is generally done by other operators and speak to me. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chairman. Yes. You you believe that that is normally done by\n\n[01:27:24] other boat operators? >> Yes, German chairman. >> But when it wasn't done with you on the boat, you were not uh too disturbed by that. >> Yes. Anything else? Mr. Edward, when was the last time you did a course with Slasper? >> 2022. >> Yeah. >> So, in the last 4 weeks, 2 months, you have not done any courses with Slasper. >> Yes, I have been go for like the um for\n\n[01:28:16] the crew license now. So that's what I'm working on now. >> But I just ask you when was the last time date just give me the date. The date of the last course you did with Slasper. When was that? >> Was last month but I couldn't remember the date. >> Last month. >> Yeah. I >> which is September. >> Yeah. of 2026 >> was the last time we did a course with SLASPA\n\n[01:28:54] and you have the certification in your possession from that course. >> Yeah, I'm like I'm doing the certificate now. Yeah. >> And you will provide that certification by Friday of this week. I have the swing. The the the c like the swing I have for the captain. >> Right. Okay. Thank you. >> Mr. Edward, what do you have from Slasper? Is it some document to show that you you're doing training with them? Some receipt or something? You've paid for some training? What is it?\n\n[01:29:40] because you obviously do not have a captain's license. Now you keep saying captain's license, then you say swing, swing and captain same thing. >> It's a certificate. So I don't want to do the captain now. I choose to do crew now. >> But listen to what I'm saying. >> You keep saying swing then you say captain. What's the difference? You have to go get the certificate. After the certificate, you have to go for a little like training and stuff, >> right? So, you do not have a\n\n[01:30:15] certificate. >> I have the certificate. >> But you're saying you have to go and get the certificate. >> I was getting the certificate for for me to just show him up. The um chairman, I wanted to show the chairman the >> Which certificate do you have? >> The captain. >> Captain. Yeah. So, so, >> but if you have a captain's license, why would you want to leave that alone? >> I don't have a captain license. I have\n\n[01:30:46] like a certificate. A certificate means like you've done the course. >> So, you have a certificate showing >> Yeah. >> that you've done the course. >> Yeah. >> Right. So you've not done the practical part of that course. >> Yeah, >> that's that's what it is. >> Yes. >> He has the you have the certificate but you do not have a license. You have a\n\n[01:31:12] certificate. >> No, I have the license. >> The certificate showing that you completed the course >> but you do not have a license to operate. >> Yes. Yes. Chairman. >> So So that cost is for what? >> So I don't want to do the captain right now. Oh yeah. >> Listen listen. The course you've done? >> Yeah. >> Is it for the captain or for the crew? >> The course right now. >> Whichever one you've done.\n\n[01:31:39] >> The first one I done it was captain. >> Okay. So you've done a course >> for captain. >> Yeah. >> But you've not gotten the license for the captain yet? >> Yes. >> And you what are you doing now? >> I applying for the the first mid now which is the crew. >> So you applying to do the course for the crew? >> Yes. But you've not done the cost for the crew? >> No.\n\n[01:32:00] >> When are you going to do the cost for the crew? >> When I have a time. >> When you have the time. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I think you're a bit clearer now on on what we're trying to get out of you. Thank you, Mr. >> Okay. No problem. We clear on him. Okay. Okay. Um, these are the questions we have for you at this stage. Before we release you though, could you >> is there anything you wish to add to what you have said here?\n\n[01:32:33] >> Is there anything that you left out that you believe is important for you to speak to us on? >> No. >> Mhm. >> Any of the remaining Yeah. >> to to deliver a document? >> Yes. No, I will come to that. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Any of the witnesses have anything to ask? >> No. Very well. Now you have said that you will be able to deliver the document by 12:00 on Friday. 12:00 Friday the what date\n\n[01:33:06] now? Friday the >> Yes, chairman. >> Friday 16th October. >> Yeah. Friday 16th October at 12:00 noon or by 12 noon you will deliver you will take the certificate and any other license or certificate that you have concerning the operation of boats you should make them available you take the copy to the super police station Joseph the secretary of the commission will arrange for an officer to be available to receive it from All right.\n\n[01:33:47] >> Yeah, >> and this is a a a directive given to you by the commission which has all the powers of a court for anybody who disobys its directives. So please don't put yourself in that category. Ensure that by 12:00 on Friday, you have delivered those documents to the Supra police station. >> Yes, chairman. >> Very well. >> Yes. Apart from that, I just need to let you know also that if anything arises where we need to hear from you further, you will be asked to return uh to to\n\n[01:34:22] give any further evidence. As I have said to others, not likely but possible. >> Okay, chairman. Yes, >> you may step down then. >> Yeah, I think so. The next witness that we have on our books is Janelle Butcher. based on our records. Chair um in the statements he's also known as Movado. >> Yeah. Janelle. Yeah. Sounds like a lady's name. Janelle. Yeah.\n\n[01:35:44] I'm General Butcher solemnly swear to solemnly swear >> I swear >> to tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth. >> Nothing but the truth. >> So help me God. >> God sit close to the mic. Yes, Mr. Butcher, can you state your name, your address, and your occupation? >> Yes, tell us. >> My name is General Butcher. I'm from Suare Bridge Street. >> What street?\n\n[01:36:29] >> Suare Bridge Street. >> Bridge Street. Sufra. Yes. And what work do you do? No work. >> I beg your pardon? >> I got no work doing. >> You're unemployed? >> Yeah. >> Did you on the 21st of July 2026 give a statement to the police about what you know about what transpired on the 18th of July 2026? >> No.\n\n[01:37:04] Did you give a statement or >> to the police? >> Yes. >> Short statement? >> Yes. You gave a statement to the police? >> Yes. Short one. >> On the 21st of July? >> Yeah. >> Were you given that statement, a copy of the statement to read before you you came to sit there? Were you given a copy this morning to read? >> Yes. And you uh what you read you are satisfied that it is true and correct\n\n[01:37:32] based on what you told the police officer on the 21st of July? >> Yes. >> Yes sir. >> And do you wish to add anything to it to alter anything on it? >> No, I have nothing much to say. >> You have nothing much to say? >> Yeah. >> But what you said there is the truth. What you said in your statement. Yeah. Yes. Who wants this? >> You good? >> Yeah.\n\n[01:38:19] >> All right. Thanks. Based on the statement that you gave to the police in regard to the collision at sea on the 18th of July this year, 2026, you indicated that you were the lookout on the boat. No, I wasn't the lookout. Okay. I never say I was any lookout. >> You were not the lookout. >> No. >> Where were you sitting on the boat? >> On the bow in front. >> Was there anybody sitting near you?\n\n[01:39:04] >> No. >> So you were the person way up front? >> Yeah. >> Were there anybody sitting just behind you? >> The other one. >> Who? >> Two of them sitting behind me. >> Do you know this person's by name or nickname? No. >> You think you do not know them at all? >> I don't know them because I I was Brazil and they give me a ride to go to Sufra. So I never go up on their boat. >> Do you know a gentleman by the name of\n\n[01:39:35] Tyson? >> The captain of the boat. Kaza Jr. >> What do you say the name? What is the name? >> Tyson. Sorry. >> Tyson Hippolit. >> Yeah. >> Do you know who was captain in Kaza Jr.? >> Can you remember? >> No. >> Was there anything you may have eaten or probably drunk prior or before you went on the boat? >> No.\n\n[01:40:07] >> That would cause you not to remember who the boat captain was? >> No. >> So, but you just don't remember who was captain in the boat? >> No. But you know Tyson Hippolit? >> I know him. >> You know him? >> Yeah. >> Did you see him on the boat at all? >> Well, >> what was your answer? >> He asked you whether you saw Tyson on the boat at all that night. I didn't\n\n[01:40:37] hear what you answered. >> You saw Tyson on the boat? >> Yes. >> Very Do you remember what Tyson was doing on the boat? No. No. Your statement to the police indicate that you left Sufre in the afternoon on a boat and you went to Pigeon Point. That's correct. >> Yes. >> So which means you would have left Sufre went to Pigeon Point I guess to a fair party something and then to return to Sufre that was your intention. Yes.\n\n[01:41:32] >> So can you guide us to what happened when you left Grizzly heading down to Sufre in the evening and possibly what time you may have left Sufre sorry grizzly to go back to Sufre. Do you remember what happened when you left Gili? >> Yeah. >> To head back to Sufre in the evening. >> Yes. What happened was I I approach Mango asked him a ride to go to Suare. He told me I can get a ride. I go down to Suare.\n\n[01:42:29] While we going down >> a little louder, please. >> Was I going down to Suare on the vessel? I heard mom say to Tyson like the girl want a life jacket so take life jacket for the take some life jacket for the for the girl. So as we going down I took the life jacket for them. >> Can you speak to the mic please so we can hear you better. Was I was I going down? Tyson gave like mango the light jacket for the girls and so we didn't not much\n\n[01:43:05] speed going down the rich anos the wood bro. So since you were at the front of the boat on the bow as it is called, did you notice anyone else looking out for anything that a log in the water, another boat in the water? Maybe a buoy floating in the water? >> No. >> Were there any other boats traveling together from Grizzly to Su with you alongside ahead of you? No boats. Did you notice as you said you saw the lights on? Mango was on. >> Yeah.\n\n[01:43:53] >> Can you remember the color of the lights? >> Green light and the red light. >> A green and red. >> Yeah. >> Were there any white lights on board? >> I cannot recall because I was watching in my front >> at the front. >> Yeah, that's >> But above >> above. Would you have seen a white light if it was on? >> No. >> Okay.\n\n[01:44:17] had that does that boat have a canopy over the little shed? Do you remember? >> Mango. >> Okay. >> But you did you the question I asked earlier, did you you said you knew Tyson, but did you notice that he was the one driving the boat? >> No. But in your statement to the police, you indicated, \"I notice a guy I know by the name of Tyson driving the boat.\" So which is correct? Is what you say now correct or\n\n[01:45:02] what you said before? Because before you said you notice he was the one driving the boat and now you're saying you don't know what he was doing. So which of those two statements are correct? Well, at the time I asked them to ride. >> Can you bring the mic a little closer? Just shift it up a bit up. Right. >> At the time I asked Mango to ride. I didn't see who I was being staring. >> So Mango is the owner of the boat. >> Yeah. >> That's how you all call him. >> Yeah. >> Right.\n\n[01:45:37] >> So can you tell us what happened after the life jacket was given to the lady? Do you know the lady's name? No. >> Well, >> second. >> I know her, but I cannot recall a name. >> Okay. But a life jacket was given to a lady. >> Yeah. >> Um, did the boat stop to give the life jacket to the lady? >> Yeah, we stopped. >> Why? >> Because where the life jacket was, I was in the position.\n\n[01:46:07] >> Okay. If you turn the mic, just turn it closer. Turn the mic towards right and Okay. Go ahead. Yes, because the place I was is in front. Lift it up a bit. Right. I was in front of the boat. So, I was in no position to take the life jacket for to give to the girl. Yeah. So, Tyson stopped. I took the life jacket the girl and I gave it to the girl and the girl put the light jacket on her. Was the sea rough or was it very very calm at the time of that? >> Well, on different different place we go\n\n[01:46:51] it choppy it come. >> So you would say it was a bit choppy. >> Yeah, >> kind of. But were you comfortable sitting at the front of the boat saying the boat was choppy most of the time? No. No. Did you have a life jacket on me? >> Yes. No. You indicated that it was dark and the boat the sea was choppy, but did you feel that it was necessary or even safer to have a life jacket on knowing that he was sitting at the front\n\n[01:47:37] of the boat? Yes, >> it was necessary. >> Yeah. >> Why second? >> That's a law. You must have a life jacket whenever you're traveling on a boat. >> Yes. Were you offered a life jacket by Bango? >> Yeah. >> Did you take one? >> He offered me one, but I didn't take one. >> You didn't take it?\n\n[01:47:58] >> No. >> Did he offer anybody else other than the lady or the girl? >> Yeah. But everybody raised by that say you can swim and so we don't need life jacket. What happened when you reach at Asco? You know Ask Scotia very well. >> Yeah. >> Can you give us an idea where Ankosha is between any two village or where you think is located? >> Well, Anosha is between anary and can >> Yeah. >> Okay. Is there anything at Scotia to\n\n[01:48:35] indicate by night because it was dark that you were actually at Scotia? >> Yeah. >> What? What is there? >> One. I didn't catch you. >> Is there anything in particular that would say because it's nighttime that would say maybe because of X or Y I know I am at a Scotia. Anything in particular? >> Well, it's it's a beach. It's it's a little hotel. They have left unsure. >> So there's a beach and there's a hotel. Do you know the name of the hotel in that area?\n\n[01:49:08] >> Tikai. >> Tikai. Say, >> right. So >> you have identified the area correctly that you knew you were at a scotch. Um, just before the accident, was there anything that draw your attention or that was different just before the accident? Can you tell us? Remember you were sitting at the front of the boat. >> Yeah. >> Did you see anything? >> No.\n\n[01:49:44] >> Did you hear any vessel, any boat coming towards you? >> No. Did you see the water appear whitish or any other color that would indicate that there's another boat? >> No. >> Was there anyone else looking out or were you looking out? Are you sure that you were looking just you were not the lookout but because you were placed at the front of the boat? I was in a lookout but if there had any vessel that was approaching us with light I would have seen.\n\n[01:50:18] >> You would have seen. >> Yeah. >> And if there was any wash or what you call the drag the white water on the side of the vessel or boat coming or moving >> you would have seen. >> I would have seen. Was there a reflection of the light from Tango on the water slightly ahead of the boat? >> Bigger wagons. Yeah. >> Was there a reflection? Because you know night time the red and the green would reflect on the surface of the water.\n\n[01:50:47] Could you have seen that? >> Well, what's your answer? >> Nighttime. >> Nighttime. If you have your red and your green light on. Yeah. >> And it is very dark. Obviously, the light would reflect on the surface of the water. >> Yeah. >> Were you able to see that? >> No. >> So, which means the light on your vessel may have been off at the time because once the light is on, it would reflect\n\n[01:51:19] on the surface of the water. Nighttime. Daytime you wouldn't. Which night time you would see? Your vessel. >> My vessel Kazula. Well, he is my vessel and I have to see the water reflecting. I have to go closer to the bow to watch to see the reflection on the water. I cannot stay wise and see the reflection. >> So, you're on the seat. So, you would not have seen it. >> No, >> because the bow of the boat was up. >> Yeah.\n\n[01:51:50] >> Okay. That's what I wanted to think. And at the point of the accident, what did you hear? And what did you see? >> I nothing. I see I see nothing. >> You felt a bang and that was it. >> Yeah. >> What happened to you thereafter? What happened to you as soon as the bang? >> Well, as soon as I had a bow, I just see I reach in the water. >> Can you swim? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Did you attempt to save anybody >> at the time?\n\n[01:52:26] I don't know what that bunks me. I couldn't save nobody. I just have to save myself. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Mr. B. Good afternoon. >> Yeah. >> I just want to assert in one thing that you were not the lookout on that vessel that night. You were not the lookout, were you? I was on the lookout. >> Good. Um, this person whom you refer to as Mango, what is his what is his proper name? >> Dwight.\n\n[01:53:11] >> Yeah. >> You refer to Dwight as Mango. >> Do you know Ireina Pascal? >> That's the same person. That's Dwight. Same Dwight. Do you know Ironos Pascal? >> No. >> You know Dwight? >> Yes. >> Dwight is also >> tell I know Dwight. >> He's also Mango. >> I'm not I'm not there to listen to nothing. >> No, you're not. >> I'm telling you what I know straight up.\n\n[01:53:47] >> No, listen. Listen. I'm asking you a few question. >> Yeah. So Dwight and Mango are the same persons. >> I know him as Mango as his son name Mango and I know him as Dwight. They call him on the on the street. >> Okay. Um is he the owner of the boat you are on? >> Well, just tell him that. Yes. >> Right. If I were to tell you that Mango said you were the lookout, what would you say to that? But I just tell him that a while ago. I\n\n[01:54:32] I'm not there to twist and tell no nothing. What I know I saying what I know. Okay. But I am I am asking I'm telling you now that persons have said before this commission that you were the lookout on Kazuna and Kazola Jr. Is that true? Were you the lookout? >> I just said to him, I'm not the lookout. >> You were not the lookout. Good. >> Okay. >> On the night of that accident, did you drive Kazullah Jr.? >> I had no captain. I do have no captain license. What? I join both. >> Okay.\n\n[01:55:12] In your statement to the police. You said I tried looking for the other boat, but I couldn't see it. I swam to our boat and tried to get on board. When I entered the boat, I noticed that there were two people left on the boat. Dwight and someone I know by the name of Maddak. I went to the staring of the boat and attempted to drive it closer to shore. When we arrived about 2 minutes from shore, the boat sunk. Did you not say that to the police? Mango that song because when they would\n\n[01:56:09] bounce Mango I I only see that's not what I'm asking. You said to the police that he went to the staring of Mango's boat. >> Yeah. >> And you attempted to drive it closer to shock. Did you not say that to the police? >> Yes. and you and and the boat sunk when you got close to shore. Did you not say that to the police in your statement? >> Yes. >> So, I'm asking again, did you drive the boat\n\n[01:56:45] after the accident? >> I couldn't drive it. It It wasn't driving. >> But you tried to. You went to the steering, didn't you? I went to the steering. Yeah. But I never drive the boat. >> Yeah. But you said and attempted to drive it closer to shore. When we arrive about 2 minutes from shore, the boat sunk. So at that point, who was driving the boat? >> I wasn't driving the boat because the engine wasn't\n\n[01:57:21] the engine turn off. >> Mr. Butcher, do you remember at all anything that happened on that night? Be honest with us. Are you telling us what you experience or what you suffers on? Or are you here repeating what you've heard other person say? Tell us the truth. >> I'm not a repeater and I don't know nothing. I tell you that already. >> You don't know anything that happened that night. >> The only thing I know is that I was in the bow. I broke and I went I reach in the water.\n\n[01:57:59] >> So >> I never seen no boat after that. I never seen no boat that bounced me. I never see anything. >> I have not asked you that. I have not asked you whether you saw any boat. The issue of the life vest. All the persons before this commission has test have testified that Tyson stopped the boat to allow Mr. Pascal or Dwight as you say to go to get a life jacket for someone. Wasn't it Dwight or Mango himself who went to get the life jacket?\n\n[01:58:49] That was at the front of the boat. >> Who did you give the life jacket to? >> To the girl. >> And who wore the life jacket? >> The girl. >> What's the girl's name? I I just tell them commissioner that I don't know a girl by a name. That's it. What is the name of the vessel about which you were traveling? Um, Mr. Butcher. >> Then you know the word. >> Yes.\n\n[01:59:46] >> Mango. And you are sure that you handed a life vest to a lady? Yes. Because me that was in the bow >> and you are certain that it is the lady who wore the life vest? You are sure that it is the lady who wore the life vest? Yeah, >> but Mr. Butcher, everybody else on the boat, including the lady, said that it was a gentleman who wore a life vest. Everybody else on the boat, including that lady herself, says she asked for the life vest to give to someone else.\n\n[02:00:45] >> Which someone else? I'm asking you. >> Me asking you to someone else. >> Who wore the life vest on that boat that night? >> The girl. >> The girl. Mr. Butcher, I'm putting it to you that you know nothing of what happened on that boat that night. >> Be honest with us first. Come on. Nothing you have said in your statement align or fits anything anybody else have said to that commission. The closest thing you've said is that you are at the bow of the boat. Other\n\n[02:01:25] people suggest that you were. Apart from that, people suggest that the young lady requested of a live vest from the captain to give to a gentleman which she did. The gentleman wore the vest. Everybody agreed that the only person who wore a vest on that night was the gentleman. You give a completely different story. I am putting it to you, Mr. Butcher, that you know nothing of what transpired on that boat between Pigeon Point and the accident. >> Well, if I know nothing, let me let me let me let me finish. I'm I'm I'm\n\n[02:02:06] putting it to you that you know nothing and you are here simply repeating what you would have heard from other persons. >> I'm not a repeater. >> You're not a repeater. After the accident, what happened? >> I just put in it how I know it. >> And no. >> After the accident, what happened? What did you do after the accident? after the accident trying to swim to the shore. >> You did what? >> Trying to swim to the shore and we end up on a boat.\n\n[02:02:46] >> You you tried to swim to the shore and you ended up where >> you told me after the accident. >> Mhm. >> Right. By telling me what I do. >> Yes. What did you do after the accident? Swim to a boat. >> You swam to a boat? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Butcher. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Butcher. >> Yeah. >> You go by another name, Mavado. Is that correct? >> Yeah.\n\n[02:03:26] >> Can you speak into the mic? >> Yes. Yeah. And on the 18th of July 2026, you attended a show at Pigeon Island. >> Yeah. >> Do you remember what was the name of that show? >> Yes. >> Excuse me. >> Yes. >> What was the name? remedy. >> While at that show, did you consume any beverages? >> I'm not drinking alcohol. >> I only drink water.\n\n[02:04:06] >> So again, did you consume any beverages? >> No, I just say I'm not drinking alcohol. I'm not drinking beer. >> So you only drank water? Yeah. >> The entire show? Do you recall boarding the vessel at Rodney Bay to head to Sufra? Yes. And before the voyage started, did you receive a briefing, a safety briefing? >> Was did the captain give a safety\n\n[02:04:55] briefing >> before we leave? >> Yes. And what did that briefing entail? >> Well, at the time he was giving this briefing, I just reached so I cannot explain the briefing for you, but I hear you was talking to the guys about something like when you're going down, you know. >> Can you just fix the mic so you speak into it? Thank you. So after that briefing, do you remember what time you departed Rodney Bay?\n\n[02:05:35] >> I cannot recall. >> Was it late at night? >> I couldn't recall a time. >> Okay. According to your statement, you sat on the seat closest to the bow of the vessel. Is there any particular reason why you why you sat there? Yes. And what was that reason? The reason is I always have I always want to sit on the bow because the feeling more comfortable. You feel more comfortable.\n\n[02:06:20] >> Yeah. >> And uh by the way, you are a vendor, correct? >> Yes. >> Uh what do you vend? >> Like I make roses, blood, fish, grasshoppers. >> Um and you sell that to the tourists, I assume? >> Yeah. And in your bending, do you take a lot of boat rides? >> No. >> So, no. Meaning you're not used to being\n\n[02:07:03] on boats? >> Yes. >> So, you you're used to being on boat? >> Yeah. But I see I raised. And where exactly were you raised? >> Well, I raised B Street, but by a year I always go in with my friends. >> Okay. >> And would you say you're a good swimmer? >> Yeah. And since you're familiar with boats, when you on a boat, do you often time wear a life jacket?\n\n[02:07:46] >> Sometimes. But on the 18th of July, the voyage to Sufre, you decided not to wear a life jacket. Is that correct? from Suf to from from to to go out to Rosal. >> Did you Yeah. Did you wear a life jacket there? >> No. >> And did you wear one from Rosal to Sufra on the way back? >> No. When you left Rodney Bay,\n\n[02:08:34] how was the weather? Well, >> it was It wasn't bad. >> Was When you say it wasn't bad, what do you mean? It was raining. It was dark. It wasn't raining. It was clear. >> But what do you mean by wasn't bad? It was a pleasant starry night or was it dark or it was dark? >> That's what I'm trying to get. And that's that's on the trip back to Sufre. I'm talking about the weather then.\n\n[02:09:30] So you understand the question? >> Yeah, I understand. >> And you're saying the weather was not bad? >> No. >> And how was the sea? >> Was calm? Not really. Different places. It was calm. Was choppy. Yeah. >> So what areas were choppy? Like drop you like the water raising a little bit. >> Yeah. But what areas along the way to Sufra? Outside in Rodney Bay by Winjama\n\n[02:10:06] >> off ancillary of broadcast trees. Well, outside of Jama Mango um told the captain, we're not in the rush. We're not we're not on speed. So, we go down. Simple. Okay. That's the area that I wanted to dwell on. In your statement, you said while we were leaving Groier, I heard Dwight tell Tyson we were not in a rush to go home. >> That's correct. >> Yeah. But right after you say we were not moving very fast. But to me\n\n[02:11:02] you said when you say we were not moving very fast compared to the speed limit. >> Yeah. So what do you think the speed limit was? The speed was sorry. Well, it was about it wasn't about it was about half speed. So close. Yeah. With that much speed. >> When you say half speed, you mean the throttle. >> Yeah. >> Or half the speed. You came up with >> I didn't came up on the boat. >> Okay. You didn't come up with kazo. You\n\n[02:11:40] came up with another boat. Yeah. So, what are you comparing it to when you say half speed? Well, the truth. >> The tr Okay. And you said he also asked me to take a life jacket for him in front, which I did. Yes. Do you recall who he gave the life jacket to? Well, when I give it to him, I sit back and if I like if you see >> I can't hear you speaking the mic.\n\n[02:12:23] >> When I give the life jacket, I sit back. So, I'm not watching what they doing. You won't you only see me back. So, I didn't I never turn to see you giving the life jacket. So, so I thought it was the girl because I know girls cannot swim. >> So, you thought it was the girl? You're not sure? >> Okay. Is that a yes or a no? >> Yes. >> So, yes. You you assume that the life jacket was for the girl? >> Yes. But you did you actually at any one\n\n[02:13:04] point in time see the girl with the life jacket? I never turn back to see if the girl have the the life jacket but I know girls cannot swim. I thought was for the girl. That's why I gave that understatement. So in general you're of the position that >> when I gave him the life jacket when I hand it to him I went back and sit so I can I didn't see like we was giving the life jacket. >> Okay. He made mention that\n\n[02:13:46] when we arrived in Ans Koshaw, I heard a loud noise and realized a boat hit ours. Do you recall seeing that vessel before it hit the boat you on? No. So you were still seated on the bow when you heard that impact. Correct. >> No. When I in the impact, I flip over the wood and I land in the sea. But before you flipped over and before the impact, you were still sitting on the bow of the boat.\n\n[02:14:40] So where were you on the boat when the when when the impact hit the boat? >> Correct. >> I f over the boat and I land in the sea. I never >> But where were you on the boat before the impact? Before >> in front of the bow. >> On the bow. Okay. All right. So before that impact, did you see anything? >> No, I just said I don't see nothing. You told me that already. >> No, I'm just going through to make sure. No problem.\n\n[02:15:17] >> It's correct. That's all. >> Yeah. So you were sitting on the bow and just one more time in the position you were sitting which was on the bow could you see anything in front you well in the position I was sitting on the bow I couldn't see nothing because it don't have no light even that light I could Okay. Okay. So, in your statement you said I never saw the boat or its lights. Which boat were you referring to?\n\n[02:16:08] I just told you I don't know which boat. I never seen no boat. So, I cannot tell you the name of the boat. is after I getting to know you died me after I recover and then you said right after that I did not have it did not have any lights on it and you're talking about the boat that hit you. >> Yes. That's all Mr. Butcher. Thank you. Mr. Butcher, um I just wanted to ask you one question, maybe the simplest this afternoon.\n\n[02:17:04] Is there any reason why your presentation to this commission is totally different from most persons? In fact, just about all persons who would have given evidence before the commission. What I know I can say. So that's it. >> Say again please. >> What I know that happened at the night I I can recall. So because you gave a statement to the police, you signed the statement which we have in our possession. But your your recollection of the events of the evening is totally different than what\n\n[02:18:06] you have given here today. And as Commissioner Defrus indicated to you and I am of the same belief that you have no idea as to what happened the evening. I would not suggest that you may have eaten or drank anything that would have impaired your judgment or otherwise. But I think it would be safe to say that your evidence before us today is totally different from just about every person that we have. And the question I now leave you is why? Thank you. Why?\n\n[02:18:55] Well, the reason why it different the statement I gave to the police the the statement I gave to the police I never know. So it would have been today. You never know what >> you said. The statement you gave to the police, you never know what >> I said. >> Yes. >> The statement I give to the police. I never know today I would have come there to represent the same statement. So, are you sure that you were truthful in everything you said to the police, or\n\n[02:19:46] are you saying that you may have told the police what you knew that was not correct? >> Where the state I give the police is >> in the mic, please. I I need to we need to hear. So, go closer to the mic. You can hear me clearly, right? The statement I gave to the police is that that recall to the night. That's what I can give on the statement. That's what end happened for the night. >> Yeah. >> But your recollection of in fact what you remember\n\n[02:20:23] for the night you gave to the police. But at this time you are giving something totally different. And if I was of a different opinion, I would have said that there may be two general butchers in Suare because you indicated that you do not consume alcohol, but your peers stated differently. Your peers stated that you do consume alcohol. So, are you surprised that your peers know that you consume alcohol and you don't know that you consume alcohol?\n\n[02:21:12] >> Okay. But what alcohol I consume? >> I was not on the boat. >> No, but you have a statement. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Butcher. Uh, Mr. Butcher, are you aware that four persons died that night? >> Yes. >> Did you know any of the deceased? >> Yes. And do you understand why we are questioning you and trying to find the true details of what happened that night? >> Yes. >> So, is there anything you can add to\n\n[02:22:12] your statement that can shed some light on how they died? No, >> absolutely not. >> No. >> A little earlier on I asked you if you're very familiar with boats. Are you familiar with boats? >> Yes. Are you familiar with yachts? >> I I a tell you yes I already I a >> okay that's correct. So, do you understand how serious\n\n[02:23:15] this maritime incident was? >> Yes. >> I can't. >> Yes. Yes. And knowing that you still have nothing to add to your statement and you you're convinced that this statement you gave to the police was accurate. No. Thank you. >> Tell me something, Mr. Butcher. Where you were seated on the bow, you say that's somewhere you always wanted to\n\n[02:24:12] sit. >> Yes. >> And how did you get your wish to sit there? Were did you ask to sit there? Were you told to sit there? How how did you come to be seated on the bow? You always wanted to be seated. >> That's why always boarding. >> I'm sorry. >> That's that's why always sitting. >> That's where you always sitting. >> I see. That's not what I had understood from your previous statement. You said you were seated there. That's where you always wanted to sit. So you're saying\n\n[02:24:47] that's where you always sit on a on a boat. Is that what you're saying? I just want to be sure. >> From there, I take the red on the boy sitting. >> I see. >> Would that be the place maybe a lookout might normally sit? >> Would a lookout normally be seated at the bow? >> I wasn't a lookout. I say >> I know. I heard you say that. I'm asking you. You said you know you said you know a lot about boats. I'm just asking you\n\n[02:25:16] whether the bow is a place that a lookout might normally sit. That's all I want to know. From what you know about all the things you know about boats, I'm just asking you whether the bow is a place that a lookout might normally sit. >> Not there lookout normally sit. >> Very well. That's all. There's not there's nothing complicated about the questions, you know. >> Yeah. >> Any other questions? >> Mr. Butcher, I I would like to put something to you.\n\n[02:25:51] Based on all that we have observed from the time of your statement to now. Do you know the other boat ocean angel? Have you seen it before? >> Yes, I know it. >> You know it? >> Yeah. And I am putting it to you that it is my belief that if you were sitting at the bow of the boat where you claim that you were sitting. >> Yeah. >> With the lights on and the reflection of the lights from\n\n[02:26:34] Mango Tours, which is Gazola Jr. >> Yeah. >> You would have seen the boat, but you probably choose not to say anything. Is that correct? >> So, what are you saying there? You trying to tell me? >> I asked No, I asked you a question. >> You trying to tell me I see the Hello. >> Yeah. >> I ask you a question. Did you see the boat just ahead of you and choose not to say anything or you did not see the boat at all? If you were at the point where you said you were\n\n[02:27:15] sitting, >> I can be sitting in the middle of the boat and I couldn't see. >> No, no, no. >> You were sitting at the foremost part of the boat, way ahead of everybody. >> Yeah. So the scenario there is you may have seen the boat and chose not to say anything or you did not see anything at all. Which one of them? >> I did not see anything at all. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Is there any witness present who wanted\n\n[02:28:12] to ask any questions? Okay. As I've told other witnesses, Mr. Butcher, if anything arises that causes us to require you to come and give further evidence, you will be informed uh to return to to us at a time and date that you may be told. That is just to let you know it's not that we expecting to call you back, but I just want you to know that if you were so informed that yes, that you have previously been warned that you may in fact be called back. Okay? So, >> that's right. >> Okay.\n\n[02:28:51] >> You only have to if if there's a specific request that you return on a particular day and time. If that request is made, yes, you will have to comply. But it may be as I said that no such request will be made. Okay. You with me? Yes sir. >> Okay. You may stand down then. Our next witness is Mr. Chris Jabatis. Thank you. You say I appreciate artist do solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.\n\n[02:30:08] So help me God. Mr. Chair, commissioners, Mr. Jabatis also received a copy of his sworn statement to the police for review earlier this morning. >> Okay. Um, Mr. Jabatis, can you state your name, address, and occupation? I'm Chris Jabatis from Marad Sofra. I'm a painter. >> You remember giving a statement to the police on the 21st of July 2026? >> Yes, sir. >> About the incident which took place at No Scotia on 18th July. And were you given a copy of that\n\n[02:30:59] statement to read before being called upon to give evidence there? >> Yes, sir. >> And you read the statement? >> Yes, sir. And are you satisfied that it is true and correct that what you said in the statement on that day the 21st of July that you are satisfied that it is true and correct the statement that you made? >> Yes sir. >> Is there anything that you wish to add to alter to remove before you are questioned by the other commissioners? >> What was on the paper given to me?\n\n[02:31:33] >> Yes. Is there anything on the paper that you read today that okay you want to correct that it wasn't this it was that or you want to change or you want to add to >> Yes. I have one thing I need to change on it. >> Yes. Tell tell us. >> Yeah. Because I didn't remember telling him there wasn't um life jackets. >> Okay. You saw somewhere >> that's when he said thing about the life jackets. But the note I have here, it says, \"As far as I can remember, no one was wearing a life jacket on the way to\n\n[02:32:06] the show.\" >> Yeah. >> I can recall, however, that Tyson's boyfriend, whose name I do not know, asked for a life jacket because he said it was nighttime and that he could not swim. What? What are What is it about that you want to change? >> No, not this. That's the one he said like when he said I said they do not enough life jackets >> for everyone on the boat. >> All right, let me look for that. >> Yeah.\n\n[02:32:41] >> No, I didn't remember telling him there wasn't enough for any. >> No, he didn't say that. You said it wasn't enough. You said that you were not sure whether there were enough. That's a different thing. >> Yeah. So you you were sure that there they were enough or you were not sure that they were enough? >> They were enough. >> Yeah. For everyone. >> So when when the statement said that you said you were not sure that they were enough, you're saying you that is\n\n[02:33:09] incorrect. You never said that. >> No. >> Okay. Let's see where exactly that line is now. to see where you saw that. >> Yes. >> On the first page. >> Yeah. The first page said >> I read that just a while ago. What did I read? >> No, not that one. That one when he said moved. You want altered? >> Isa said, \"I observed that there were other life jackets, but I could not tell\n\n[02:34:23] whether they were enough for everyone.\" >> Yes. And what do you want? You want that line removed? Are you saying? >> Yeah, because I know there was enough for everyone. >> Okay. And is that something you now know or you always knew that they were? >> I now know when I read it. >> No, but you always knew that they were enough. >> Yeah. >> Sorry, Ch. Just for the record, what page is this? What page of yours? It's >> page one. pitch one. Okay, thanks.\n\n[02:35:07] So they he says I observed that there were other life jackets but I could not tell whether there were enough for everyone. So it is correct that you observed that there were other life jackets. >> Yeah. >> But it is not correct that you did not you could not tell whether there were enough for everyone. >> Yeah. So you would ask that that part of the statement but I could not tell whether there was enough for everyone. You asking for this to be deleted because you're saying that is not what\n\n[02:35:38] you said. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. It is duly noted that the witness requests that the portion of his statement, his written statement contained on page one where he said, \"I observed that there were other life jackets, but I could not tell whether there were enough for everyone that the part of the sentence beginning but I will be uh deleted so that that line will read I observe that there were other life jackets. It's full stop. >> Yeah,\n\n[02:36:12] >> that is your request. Very well. >> Yes. Who wants to? Yeah. >> Good day, Mr. >> Shabbatis. Batis Krishna Batis. We have read through your statement but I took something very early from what you said. So I want to ask you are you very familiar with boat rides, night boat rides? Have you been out on boat rides before? Are you very familiar with them? >> Yeah, I've been on boat rides before but not like mango boat and them carnival sailings.\n\n[02:37:00] >> So bigger boats. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, was that the first time or rather the first time you boarded a small boat like that on a boat ride? No. No. In your statement, page one to the bottom, the last sentence, you said the boat was moving moving fast but not at full speed. Can you explain that to us? >> Yeah, because that's when when um Ireina Jabatis told him to um calm down.\n\n[02:37:46] To calm down in terms of the speed or what? >> Yeah. The speed. >> The speed. And since you've been on other small boats before, were you comfortable with the speed at which the boat was traveling at the time when they asked him to come down? >> Yes, I was comfortable. >> Before or after? >> No, whilst it whilst it was going. >> Okay. >> Whilst he was driving. >> But you said\n\n[02:38:16] that Dwight as to Dwight asked Tyson to take it easy. So I know he was not traveling at full speed. You further went on said to say sorry that the sea was a bit rough and the wind was strong. It was dark and I could not see any other lights on the water at that point and I felt a big impact and a loud noise. Yeah, >> that was at the point I would believe was at >> Yeah. when the collusion happened. >> So, can you guide us guide us a little bit between Grizzly\n\n[02:39:06] and Asco? Tell us what happened >> like what happened >> between Gile >> when we left the event. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> An approximate time. Do you remember what time? >> Not really. Okay. Was there anything that brought that caught your attention upon departure? A conversation with between the captain and the persons? No. The owner of the\n\n[02:39:32] vessel and the person? >> No. >> Did you think that it was necessary to have a life jacket or some kind of safety device? >> Yes, but at this point, I didn't really need one. >> Can you swim? >> Yes, >> you can. So guide us then you have left Gilelay and you're heading to >> to Sufra >> to Sufra. >> Yeah. So whilst Tyson the boat captain\n\n[02:40:02] is driving I could say like about 10 minutes that's when Ireina's end up stopping telling him to take it easy come now. So he listen and he take it easy. Then we started traveling going then you could say about two three minutes then Taylor's boyfriend askked for the life jacket. >> Okay. So just stop there the 10 minutes from Gile and he asked the owner as the captain to slow down. >> Yeah. >> You familiar left.\n\n[02:40:38] >> You familiar with the coastline? >> No. Do you know where Wind Jama is? >> No. >> You know where the Castra's Harour is? >> Yes. >> So at the time he asked him to slow down, had that vessel that you were on pass the cast harbor or it had not crossed? >> No, I'm not too sure cuz it was dark. I couldn't see. >> Um was it Do you know where H oil is? Bai. >> No, we don't cross there. >> Not yet.\n\n[02:41:08] >> Sandals. You know where sandals is after the cast harbor there's sandals then there is um sandals l that is >> so was it by sandals l not yet >> probably it could be >> or was it further up >> like I tell I'm not really sure >> you said about 10 minutes >> the reason I'm asking you that question is that the word the name windjama outside win jama came into conversation. So we're trying to establish did it take you 10 minutes between Gili and Winjama or were you further down that's why I'm asking\n\n[02:41:54] >> so if you can give me a little idea >> I could say like a little further probably further win jama >> but not past the cast's harbor >> no >> okay thank you so after that how long did it take you from that point so we would say of Vij. >> Yeah. >> VG airport outside. Okay. Or Sandals Hion. >> You know that area? VG airport. Sand Hian south of Win Jam. >> I'm not really good if um >> that area.\n\n[02:42:29] >> That area. Yeah. >> But you had not crossed the Cast Harbor. North the red and green flashing and then you see the inside of the harbor. You had not passed it. >> I don't think so. >> No. Thank you. So, how long did it take that vessel that you were on from that area to the point where the gentle the the lady asked for the life jacket? >> That's mean when Ireina stopped the boat >> for the life jacket. Yes. >> I'm not too sure.\n\n[02:43:07] estimation maybe 20 minutes or anything just roughly you don't have to be precise >> probably five >> five minutes and how long after the life jacket was there an impact the impact the impact >> that's when you put the life jacket on I could say about >> probably 5 10 >> 10 >> so it would be >> sorry you said 10 you said Five. Which one is it? Five. Is it 10 or is it five? >> Probably five. Five.\n\n[02:43:40] >> Five. >> Five minutes. Yeah. So, in your judgment, do you believe that that vessel may have taken how much time? Just give me a rough idea. From grossly to the point of the impact because we're walking through the steps. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not too sure about the time it take. That's >> your own your own estimation because you gave 10 minutes after. Yes. When you left the event totally. >> Yeah. >> So you're heading south. You said about\n\n[02:44:18] 10 minutes after >> he asked him to slow down which he did. >> Yeah. >> Then he continued. >> Yeah. >> And then after a while he somebody >> Yeah. ask for the life >> life jacket which is another period of time. >> Yeah. >> Would you be safe? Would it be safe to say at least a 10 to 15 minutes between the time he slow down and the time for the jacket? The time he slow down and the time the\n\n[02:44:46] guy put the live slow down. When we left it we said about 5 minutes. Yeah. When Tyson we stopped when Tyson went back that's when he asked for the life jacket like 5 minutes >> right >> when we start going back after Irene has told him to slow down >> and then there was the impact. >> Yes. >> Did you see any other vessel going down the street from Gile to Suare? >> No. >> Ahead of you, beside you, to the stern\n\n[02:45:21] or to the back of you? >> No. So you were the only vessel heading down to Sufre at that time? >> Yes sir. >> Do you know if there were any other vessel from Sufre attending the fet that may have left just after you or just before you? >> No, >> there were no others. Okay. >> You don't not know. >> You got pardon? >> You do not know or there were none >> that left before us be? >> You're right. The question is, do you\n\n[02:45:52] know whether there was any vessel that that were from the Sufra area that may have left slightly before you together with you or after you? Do you know or you say no? None with no to what? >> No to when we left is only us that left the beach. >> Okay. Thank you. So at the point of the bang, where was Tyson Hippolit? >> Tyson was still behind him. >> He was the person driving. >> Yeah, the captain. >> Where was Dwight Pascal, the owner of the boat?\n\n[02:46:31] >> Right beside me. >> Beside. >> Right beside me. Yeah. >> Which was the seat ahead? >> No, beside me. Like I'm on the left, Dwight in the middle, and Lester Jean on the right. >> Okay. But which seat ahead of the in front of the captain. >> The one, right? So, we say >> in front of the console. Yeah. >> Where was this um gentleman Janelle Ba? >> He was in the bow. >> In the bow of the boat.\n\n[02:46:56] >> Yeah. >> Was he sleeping? Was he >> I wouldn't say I wouldn't say because he gave me his back. >> His back was facing you. >> His back was facing me and he was facing front face. Yeah. Based on what you were seeing, do you believe he would have seen anything if there was anything ahead? >> Yes, he would have seen. >> He would have seen. >> Yes. >> The lights of the vessel was on and as you said, the sea was a bit rough. So,\n\n[02:47:29] which means occasionally when there's a bit choppy, >> a bit choppy. >> Yeah. When there was a splash, you would have seen, if you were looking at the left side, you would have seen just a reflection or with the >> the splash, you would have seen a little red or a little green. >> Not too sure. >> So, if there's if the lights are on, >> yeah, >> I'm telling you, it will happen. >> Yes. >> When there's a a dip, as long as there\n\n[02:47:56] is a splash and the light is on, you would have seen it in the the splash. Just the reflection and then >> Yeah. >> Did you see anything of the s? >> No. >> So, are you certain that the lights were on? >> Yes, definitely. >> Okay. When the boat had that impact, what did you do after the impact? >> Well, I stayed the same place. When the impact happened, I stayed the same\n\n[02:48:23] place. >> Okay. >> I never left the boat. The three of us, we never left the boat. and the captain. We all first stayed on the boat. That's when when we had the impact, a loud noise. Then I heard the engine end up doing a song too. Loud song. >> The engine. >> Yeah. That's when the captain trying to stop the engine. >> Okay. Slow down. Slow down. Let's go back two seconds. So you said there was an impact.\n\n[02:48:55] Vessel probably hit something. >> Yeah. And then you heard the engine made a sound. >> Yeah. Made a sound. >> Is it of hitting something or after the impact? >> That's after the impact. >> So the engine there was another sound in the engine after the impact. Did you see anything or anybody in the area of the engine after that second sound? >> No. What did the captain do at that point?\n\n[02:49:38] >> At that point when he stopped the engine, I heard help, but I couldn't see anything. >> At what point? So, you heard the noise? >> Yeah. >> The second noise which would have been the engine. >> The engine. Yeah. That's when he stopped the engine. >> He stopped the engine. >> Yeah. >> Were the covers on the engine? The engine. They were on. So it was not the covers that flew off. >> No.\n\n[02:49:59] >> Good. >> And then you had help. >> Yeah. Help. >> From your point where you were sitting, what direction in reference to your hearing would you think the the the the call for help came from? >> Well, the boat was still straight from my right. >> To your right. >> Yeah. Is it slightly behind the boat or >> Well, I can't tell you exactly, >> but it was not ahead of the boat. >> Yeah. >> So, it is possible that the boat may\n\n[02:50:30] have the impact and then something else hit the engine. >> I can't tell you. >> No, the noise because obviously the engine did not shut down from what you're saying. >> What kind of noise? Can just give us a brief what you heard. The the noise, not the impact. The impact. You said it was very loud. A crash. >> Just made a rough noise >> like something of the >> Exactly. Yeah. >> Are you familiar with the sound of a propeller?\n\n[02:51:00] >> Yeah. >> Hitting something? >> No. >> But the engine did not shut down. >> No, it never shut down. Mhm. >> Thank you for now. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Jabatis. >> Yeah. Good afternoon. >> In your statement, you said that it is customary for us in Sufare to hire a boat to take us to shows in Cashries. So did you pay for the trip in particular from Sufur on that day on the Mango? >> No madam.\n\n[02:51:53] >> So when you all usually hire boats, do you all pay or is it that you just >> No, they pay. >> But on this particular >> No, but Mango Mango Dwight Pascal is my friend. >> Okay. Um, you also said that you had traveled on the boat many times before. >> Yeah. >> And during your past travels, has Tyson ever captained the boat? >> No. >> And do you know the name of the person who usually captains the boat?\n\n[02:52:25] >> Darl. Did you see whether Tyson consumed any alcohol at the show? >> No. >> Did you observe whether the captain was distracted during the journey to Sufare? >> No. >> No, you did not observe. >> No. In your previous travels on the mango tang the mango boats, do you remember whether the captain communicated safety protocols to travelers? >> Yes. >> How often um would you say\n\n[02:53:16] you traveled on it and how often would you say the safety procedures were communicated to passengers? Yeah, I would say well I know it's not much. Well, I travel on it like about four times but that night he didn't give no safety briefing. >> So your statement you said many times but now you're saying only about four times. >> Four times is many. >> Okay. How many times did Dwight tell Tyson to reduce his speed?\n\n[02:54:04] >> Just once. >> And did Tyson reduce his speed immediately? >> Immediately. >> Beg your pardon? >> Yes, immediately. Did anyone else express concern about the speed? >> No. >> And you did state that you saw a red light, a green light, and a bright white light. Yes. >> Yes. That's on board our boat. >> And was it switched on when you all departed from Gile?\n\n[02:54:38] >> Yes. >> And did it remain on during the throughout the entire journey? >> Yeah, it never went off. And did you observe any other lights in the water before the collision apart from the lights on your boat? >> No. >> You stated that the vessel was moving fast but not at full speed. How did you come to the conclusion that the vessel was not traveling at full speed? >> Like I tell you, I've been on it. You have been on it when it was traveling on at full speed.\n\n[02:55:20] >> Yes. Did you observe who was maintaining a lookout? >> Yes. Jon Butcher. And did you hear any warnings before the collision? >> No. >> Did you notice the vessel slowing down or changing its direction immediately before the impact? >> No. Did you see any other vessels in the water before the impact? >> No. >> And did you see any safety equipment\n\n[02:56:18] being used during the rescue? >> No. And did you observe that whether there were any attempts by persons operating your vessel to avoid the collision? >> No. And in your observation and based on the frequency that you said you travel on boats, would you say that the vessel was being operated safely given the prevailing weather conditions? >> Yes, he handled it safely. >> Even if he did not offer life jackets to anybody and he did not go through the safety protocols.\n\n[02:57:16] >> Yes. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Mr. Chair for you, if I may refresh the memory of Mr. Jabatis, I think you would be very very aware that Mr. Butcher said repeatedly a few minutes ago he was not a lookout. Yes, >> he was not. >> Yes, >> he was just sitting there. So, you would agree with us that there was no lookout on the vessel >> because the person apparently that is\n\n[02:58:00] being portrayed to be or said to be the lookout clearly stated to the commission that he was not a lookout. He was there. >> But the position he seated on the boat, that's exactly where the lookout would sit. >> No. No, the fact that I am sitting in the house at this time does not mean that I'm a member of the parliament or of the cabinet of ministers. >> Isn't that correct? >> Yeah. >> We are here on commission's business. So to to to\n\n[02:58:34] tell this commission that Janel Butcher was the lookout which you would agree that your statement is incorrect. Yes, >> exactly. Because he said repeatedly in his own words, he was not a lookout. So to tell the commission that he was a lookout, you would be incorrect. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Good afternoon, Mr. Jabatis. >> Yeah. Good afternoon. How are you today? >> Yeah, I'm great. >> Okay. I'm going to ask you a few\n\n[02:59:18] questions based on your statement that you made uh to the police officers. You mentioned that it's customary for us in Sufra to hire a boat to take us to shows in castries. >> Yes. Um that's both day and night. Well, whenever there are shoes. >> So, I'm assuming again the shows both day and night. >> Yes. Um, what's the latest you've used the service of using a a vessel to go to shows? What's the latest\n\n[03:00:00] you've been back to Sufre on a boat? >> 2:00 a.m. >> 2:00 a.m. in the morning. And on these boat rides or these transportation times, how many times have you experienced a safety briefing? >> Not really. >> Say that again. >> Not really. >> Not really. Meaning never. >> Yeah. No. And from your experience, how many >> how many times you've done these boat rides till 2:00 a.m.?\n\n[03:00:41] >> Say a couple times. >> 10, 20, 30. >> Not so much. >> About 15? >> No, probably five. >> Five. Okay. So, you've personally around five times been on a vessel, going to shows and come back late with absolutely no safety briefings? That's correct. >> Yes. >> And what about the use of life jackets? >> No. >> Uh, and that's just for you or for me,\n\n[03:01:14] >> but you've seen other persons wore >> them on these rides with life jackets. >> Yes. And in the five times that you've experienced, how many people had life jackets? >> Probably one. Not so I not so everybody. Probably one of them. >> One out of 10. 14 or how many people? >> Yeah, probably one out of 10. >> One out of 10. Um, you mentioned also that you're very familiar with the vessel. >> Yes.\n\n[03:01:58] >> How many times have you been out with Tyson as the captain of that boat? >> Just on that day. >> Just on that day in question. And you were at the show with Tyson? >> No. Tyson stayed on the vessel. >> Yes. >> Waiting for So at any time during the voyage, did you notice the Tyson, the captain, fatigued, tired, or under the influence? >> No. >> So as far as you're concerned, he was\n\n[03:02:35] always alert. >> Yeah, he was suitable for the job. When you say suitable for the job, what do you >> Yeah. He was the right person to captain. >> The right person. >> Yeah. >> For that day or just the boat? >> For that day. In your statement you mentioned the boat was moving fast but not at full speed. And a little lower down. You say the sea was a bit rough.\n\n[03:03:04] >> Yeah. A bit choppy. Yeah. >> A bit choppy. So, I'm trying to marry the two. Moving fast, but not at full speed. But the sea a bit rough, >> choppy. Yeah. >> Well, you say the sea was a bit rough and the wind was strong and it was very dark. So, under these conditions you've described, would you still say that you felt safe on the vessel? >> Yes.\n\n[03:03:40] And and you stick by that. >> Yes. And could you describe the vessel for want of a better word? The behavior. How was the vessel operating in that weather? Was it >> The vessel was stable. >> Very stable. >> Yes. So, I'm going to move to the the point of impact. You see here, I felt a big impact accompanied by a loud crashing noise. Prior to the impact, was the sound\n\n[03:04:28] system on the boat on? >> No. So that there was no music. >> No music >> on the boat. >> And during the voyage, did at any one point in time, did you notice or see the captain use the VHF? >> The VHM is be more specific. >> The VHF, the radio. >> No. So when you left Rodney Bay, at no time did you observe Tyson the captain speaking to let's say BG Lighthouse by\n\n[03:05:06] the BHF? >> No. >> So there was no communication with the BHF? >> No. So, do you recall prior to the impact observing anything around you? >> Take a moment to >> Yeah, like people or boats? Um, >> boats, people, anything out of the ordinary that sticks out. >> No, the only thing around me was the people on the boat with me when the impact happened. Uh,\n\n[03:05:43] >> so there were no lights around? >> No. So you would say it was according to you it was very dark >> at that moment. Okay that's it for now. Yeah. >> How many life jackets were on that boat? I can't tell you that boat. >> What's that? >> I can't tell you. >> You cannot tell me how many life jackets were on the boat. >> I don't know. But I don't walk on the boat. >> How many persons were on the boat?\n\n[03:06:24] >> Nine. >> How do you know there were sufficient lifeboats for um life jackets for everybody? >> Remember, you don't know how many? >> Yeah, I know. I don't know how many, but I know. >> How How do you know that there was sufficient for everybody? >> I know the owner of the boat is very responsible. >> That's not what I'm asking. You you you changed a certain part of your statement where I think you had honestly already said you know for a fact there were\n\n[03:06:48] other life vests apart from the one given to the young lady. >> Yeah. >> But you were not certain whether there were enough for everybody. You said so in your statement here you've changed it to say there were sufficient for everybody. I then asked you how many were there. You said you don't know. I asked you how many persons on the boat. You said nine. I ask you how would you know there was sufficient for everybody? You now say because you know captain is responsible. >> But say the life jackets is straight\n\n[03:07:17] ahead in the cabin. >> Right. >> So I could see. >> I'm I'm asking you how many were there? >> I couldn't tell you how many were there. I don't know. >> And how do you know that they were sufficient for everybody on the boat? >> Because I just know. >> Cuz you just know. >> Yeah. But it is what you said to the police would be a more true statement that there were all their life jackets but you you don't know whether they were sufficient for everybody. I I believe\n\n[03:07:43] that's a a a a more truthful statement. Is that not so? >> No. >> Is that not so? >> No. >> It's not a mfulful statement. >> No. But the fact that you're relying on your belief that the captain is a responsible person, >> the owner of the boat, >> the owner of the boat is a responsible person. And it is on that premise you believe that there was sufficient for\n\n[03:08:12] everybody. >> Yes. >> But you are not sure that there was sufficient for everybody. >> Outside of counting how many vests there were, you cannot say that there was sufficient for everybody. I know there was sufficient for everybody. >> But did you count? >> No, I did not count. >> Right. So apart so you just basing it again on the premise that the captain is responsible and you've come to the conclusion that there were sufficient\n\n[03:08:38] vests. >> Yes. >> Right. So that's an assumption. >> Yes. >> It's an assumption and not something of sure. Not something that you are sure of. >> Yeah. It's an assumption. >> You're just assuming. Yes. >> So your statement to the police that there were other vests but you were not sure that there was sufficient for everybody is a more true statement. That would be more true than the assumption you're making. Is that not\n\n[03:09:13] so? Like I tell the boss, I know it was sufficient for sufficient. Thank you, mister. >> You're welcome. Mr. Jeanis, I'm just reminding you shortly, not not even asking a question. I'm just reminding you that four persons lost their lives in that incident. I'm also reminding you that the lives of many other persons have been affected including some of your friends in that incident. I'm also reminding you that the families of the deceased are still living\n\n[03:10:19] thinking that it it did not happen. So while it may be necessary on your part or any other person's part to change statements or to forget what they said or make adjustments as they may deem necessary at this time. The most critical part of us being here is that four persons lost their lives in this. >> Yes, I know. >> And our duty here, as Mr. Chairman have said, is to ensure that we do what we must do to ensure that this does not happen again. But my only\n\n[03:11:12] s point in terms of your evidence before the commission at this time is that I believe you knew that there was no lookout on the boat. But maybe you will not help the commission or the general public or the St. Lucia by large or the world in identifying that gap so that we can solve that issue. I believe you owe it to us as everybody in this room and everybody around the world because you knew that Mvado was not a lookout. You may believe that the owner of the vessel or the captain was responsible enough, but things sometimes\n\n[03:12:03] happen outside of the ordinary. And I believe you would say that I am correct that you knew that there was no lookout. >> There was a lookout. Who was the lookout? John Elba >> but he clearly stated to the commission he was not in your presence earlier on. That's all Mr. Chairman. Thank you. >> After the questioning from the commissioners, you start off by saying there was something in your written statement you want to change. Having heard the\n\n[03:12:53] questions from the commissioners, is there anything in your oral statement that you now wish to change? >> No. Just what what caused you to say that that Janelle Butcher was the lookout? What what's causing you to say that when when he's saying otherwise? I'm just trying to understand. Is it because he was seated on the bow that that that caused you to think, well, he must have been the lookout because that's where the lookout would normally sit. >> Yes. >> That is the basis upon which you say he\n\n[03:13:45] was the lookout. >> Yeah. Was this the first time you ever rode you ever went on a boat captain by by Tyson? >> Yes. >> But you've you've driven on the on um Kazola several times before. >> Yes. >> And there was always a different person apart from Tyson who was captain. >> Not different, just Darl. Just Darl. Darren or Darl? Sorry. >> Darl. >> Darren. D.\n\n[03:14:32] >> Darl. D A R E N. >> E N. Very well. >> So he would have been the the captain the other times you traveled on on Kaza Jr. >> Yes sir. and your feeling of safety. Therefore, when Tyson piloted the boat, it seemed that you never you never captain you never on the boat when he was captain. Why would you say that you felt safe with somebody who was captain in the boat that you never went on? You never went on a boat captain by him before?\n\n[03:15:13] >> Just the way Just the way it felt. >> Just the way. Sorry. >> Just the way it was captain in Goa. >> Even though the owner once had to tell him to take it easy. >> Even though the owner had to tell him at one time to take it easy. >> Yes. And um you're saying that you had never seen persons with life jackets probably one person out of 10. You mean on any boat at all or do you mean only on Kazula Jr.\n\n[03:16:01] >> On any boat? And have you ever heard the captain or anyone giving safety briefings before the start of the the voyage? No. Did you sustain any injuries in the accident? Did you sustain any injuries as a result of the collision? >> Yes, sir. Lower down my knee. >> I beg your pardon? >> Lower down my knee. My shin. >> Okay. >> A bad injury. >> Just a split.\n\n[03:16:59] Is there anything else you wish to say to us apart from what you have said this afternoon? >> No sir. Are there any of the witnesses who wish to ask anything of the witness? Very well. Okay. 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We will have our last witness for today in the person of Lester Ja who was also a passenger on Kazola Jr. who will be sworn in at this time. >> No, that's two other things. suggest your name and then this >> I I sure >> Yeah. >> Do what? >> Do you just say what I tell you to say?\n\n[00:06:45] >> Yeah. >> I do swear. Do solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. >> Sit close to the mic. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Can also even Yes, sir. >> Okay. Could you for the record state your name, address, and occupation? >> My name Lester Ja. I live in Soulet Street. occupation, I do maintenance, everything.\n\n[00:07:54] Did you on the 19th day of July 2026 give a statement to the police on what transpired on the 18th of July 2026? >> Yes, sir. >> Were you given a copy of that statement you read this morning? No. >> No, sir. >> Okay. You remember the day 18th July? >> Yes, sir. >> 2026. >> Yes. >> Tell me where you were and what you did on the afternoon of Saturday 18th July 2026. Let's start from about 4 5:00 on\n\n[00:08:41] that day. >> 4 5:00 on that day. >> Yes. Take take me from there. >> Yes. Well, I know the guys was going up to a party that I wanted to go. So, I asked, you know, Mango for a ride. >> Yes. Now, who you say was going to the party? >> My friends Mango and >> Okay. >> No. Nbody. >> So, your friends were going to a party. Where was they were going to the party? >> Grand Bay.\n\n[00:09:11] >> At Rodney Bay. >> Yeah. And you asked to accompany them. Yes, sir. >> And you all agreed to meet at the waterfront in Sufra. >> Yes, sir. And at what time did you get to the waterfront? The after 4. And on what boat? >> Kazula Jr. So you boarded the boat Kazola Jr.? >> Yes. >> And do you know who else was on the boat when you boarded it?\n\n[00:10:24] >> Saturday the 18th. >> Yeah. The captain, Tyson, Nyall, Taylor, and her boyfriend and the next girl. >> Okay. Okay. The other people on the boat were Tyson, >> Taylor. >> Now, before you said Taylor, you said somebody. Was it Nyla? >> Yeah. Na. Then Na. I know him. Yeah. >> So, Tyson, Nia. Who again? >> Taylor. >> Yes. >> Taylor boyfriend. What's his name?\n\n[00:11:03] by name. >> Yes. >> Andella sister. >> Mango was there too. >> What's her name? >> Taylor sister. I tell you Mango was too. >> Mango. >> Yeah. Mango. Yeah. >> Oh, mango. >> Yeah. Anybody else you remember? >> Could not recall. Want not recall. Anybody else? At what time did you all leave Suare for groceries?\n\n[00:11:53] >> After 4. Before the boat left or at any time after the boat left, did you all get what is referred to as a safety briefing? >> In St. Lucia, we don't do safety briefings with locals. Finally, somebody speak in we do not do safety briefings with locals. Sorry. Yes. So, y'all boarded the boat. No safety briefings were given. That's not done with locals. And then y'all started the journey to\n\n[00:13:01] the north. >> To the north. Yes. >> Who was piloting the the boat? Who was captaining the boat? >> Tyson. And yes, what time did you all reach? >> I could say maybe after 5 going up to six. >> That's the time you all reached the pigeon point. >> Yes. Yes. And when you reach Pigeon Point, what what happened? >> Well, we are stay on the beach. Uh stay on the beach. Me and Tyson stay on the\n\n[00:14:03] beach. The guys went into the party. So you and Tyson stayed on the beach. The other people who were in the boat went to the party. >> Yes. And what time did you all board the boat to go back to Sufare? I cannot tell the time. But when the party was done, >> but you you don't know whether that could be around 10, around 11, around 12. You you do not know that or you don't recall phone. I can't recall the time at\n\n[00:15:01] that time. I cannot recall the time, but it was late. who was on the boat on the way back. Is it the same people who who traveled to from Sufare to Pigeon Point? Were these the same people who traveled from Pigeon Point back to Sufare? Taylor, sister, stay back. >> Yes. >> And we pick up three different guys. >> You don't you know their names? >> General Butcher, Japier, and Wabi. and General Butcher Japier. >> Yes, I mean General Butcher is also known as\n\n[00:16:08] >> Mad Japier. >> Yes. And Wabi. >> Wabi. W A B I. >> Yes. I don't know how you spell it, but I know it's Wabi. Okay. Yeah. And when you left Pigeon Point, was any briefing given? Any safety briefing given? >> I tell you in the start, locals, we don't do briefings for locals. >> Very well. How often do you go on boat trips like the one you went on? How often do you go on these\n\n[00:17:02] boat trips? On the boat trips to Ran Bay to wherever. A lot. I cannot count too many times. and those boat trips you have gone on they've involved only locals or have you gone on >> only locals >> me hear me through have you gone on any that included tourists or those you've gone on >> only locals >> okay >> yes or sometimes me alone\n\n[00:18:06] And as much as you might have answered that question already, I still need to get it as a final note. You said at none on none of these trips you went on many many times. You cannot even remember. You cannot even count how many. At on none of these occasions was any security briefing given. >> No sir. When you left Pigeon Point to head to Gilelay, were there any persons on the boat wearing seat seat belt, wearing life jackets, carrying life jackets? No, sir. At any stage during that trip from\n\n[00:19:36] Pigeon Point, at Any time during that trip did anybody ask for or wear or carry a life jacket? >> Hello, pardon. >> Yeah. >> During that ride back from from Pigeon Point headed towards Suare, you said that when you all started that that trip, there was nobody wearing >> uh nobody carrying >> Yes. >> life jacket on them. Yeah, >> but at any time during the course of the trip, did anybody put on or carry a life jacket?\n\n[00:20:14] >> Somebody asked for a life jacket. It was Taylor for a boyfriend ask for a life jacket for a boyfriend. So Mango asked Mo sitting in the bow for the life jacket. So Malo end up take the life jacket and give it to Mango and Mango give it to Taylor and Taylor put it on her boyfriend. So, Mango asked Novado to take the life jacket for him. >> Yeah. Yes. and Mango and Mado took it and gave it to to Mango and Mango took it and gave it to Taylor and\n\n[00:21:06] Taylor put it on. >> Put it on the boyfriend. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> And what is the next thing that happened? y'all going along the way. >> After that, >> Kayla asks for a life jacket for her boyfriend. Uh, Mango asks Mada to take it. Mado does that, hands it to to Mango. Mango hands it to Taylor. Taylor fits it on her boyfriend. What is the next thing that happened?\n\n[00:21:40] >> We keep on going on our journey back to down to Sufra. Yes. >> And then on our way down, I just heard a big collusion. >> Who heard a big collusion? Collision. >> I just heard a big >> You heard a big collision. Okay. >> Oh, you say that? >> Yes. Okay. Yes. You said you heard a big collision. >> Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Before you heard that big collision, did\n\n[00:22:29] you see anything? Did you see any any boat anything at all coming towards your the boat that you on? >> No, sir. Did you see any light from a boat or from anything coming in your direction on on Kaza? >> The only light I could see is the post light, the shore light on shores. So that is before the collision >> when coming down we could see cast street like all the light in cast street all the light on mar those places I could see light but to say underwater no\n\n[00:23:42] light at Do you know the point at which the boat got to Anskoshaw? >> Yes. >> And while you were at Ansoraw, were you able to see lights anywhere? >> Yes, we could see. I could see uh a boat light. A boat light. You could see I could see um the hotel light. Chai light. Yes. >> And you say you could see a boat light. >> A boat that means a yacht. Uh-huh. A >> yacht or spark. >> Okay. Yeah. So when that collision took place,\n\n[00:25:20] what happened? You heard this loud collision. This this big collision I think you described it as. >> Yeah, I had the collision. Yeah. >> So you heard this big collision. Collision. Sorry. And what happened? >> No. word about the collision boat so long. So after boat so long we I hear people shouting for help in the water. People shouting for help help in the water. I don't know where they asking for but people asking for help in the water. >> Mhm. >> So while I was on the boat we tried to\n\n[00:25:54] give the boat to control the boat but the steering for the engine had damage. So the engine was shaking. So Mado had to hold the engine kind of way and I think was controlling it to >> who was controlling it. >> Mango. >> Okay. >> Was trying to control it to reach on the shoreline. I think we tried to reach on the shoreline to look for help. >> Yeah. >> But we didn't know the boat had a hole.\n\n[00:26:22] So one day I trying to give it a little speed. The boat just sunk. >> Okay. At the time when Mango was trying to to get the boat onto shore, you were still on the boat at the time? >> Yes, sir. >> Were the other passengers all on the boat at the time? >> No, sir. We are missing like four people. four to we were missing four people and the captain at time jumping the seat to go and help those start asking for help. So it was >> me, Dwight, Nyall and I think Movado was\n\n[00:27:10] on the boat. >> You, Dwight, >> Nyall, >> Nyall, and Mado >> was on the boat >> were on the boat. The other five people >> was in the ocean. >> What? They had flown away from the boat. >> Yeah. Yeah. as a result of the collision. As far as you know, those five people >> except the captain is when the captain heard help, >> he jumped in the water. >> Yeah.\n\n[00:27:37] >> What were you doing at that moment? >> I was there on the boat trying to figure out how we could help the people. Went in the bow trying to look for life jacket in the bow. Open the bow. When I open the bow, then the boat stopped sinking. So the life jacket, I take life jacket and just throw it on the boat. Throw it anywhere. And I grab one and I jump in the sea to swim to go look for help. >> Where did you throw the life jackets? Into the boat or outside the boat? >> Into the water. Because the boat was already so I show it. It was in the\n\n[00:28:15] water. It could be in the boat, but the boat had water to sinking. So in the water. So you had thrown these life jackets out of the boat. >> Yeah. >> In order for >> So who get it? Who get it? Yeah. >> And you say you jumped into the water yourself. >> You jumped into the water. >> When I say about sinking, I jump before life jacket too. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah.\n\n[00:28:37] >> With a view to what? Saving yourself or assisting. What? What? >> Saving myself as trying to assist trying to look for help. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Are you a a swimmer yourself? >> I'm a shark. Okay. Shark. Um, what what next happened? You are you being a shark, you jump out. You looking to assist people. >> Yeah. >> And and save yourself. What was the next thing that happened? >> I was shouting for help. Swim to the\n\n[00:29:13] boat to I don't know which boat it was, but it was a yacht. So you saw a a boat a boat >> somewhere in the water nearby where the collision took place. >> Yes. >> And you said you swam to the boat. >> Come to the boat >> for what purpose? >> For ask for look for help. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> And did you reach that boat? Did you get onto the boat? >> I reached the boat. Get to the boat. But\n\n[00:29:37] it was no help at all. >> But okay. Um so you reached to the boat you asked for help and you did not get help. >> It was a bad collusion. It was I think I was maybe coming and rob him or do something to him. So it was a misunderstanding at the time. >> Okay. So, and the long and short of it is you did not get any help from that boat or whoever was on that boat? >> No, sir. I get >> well, I could say I I look for help, but I I get frightened\n\n[00:30:18] >> from that. So, I could save myself from that collusion and still want to look for help and I still get myself into a next problem again on the boat. Okay. And what next happened? You now we on the boat after problem happened on the boat. So we was on the boat. >> And when you say on the boat, which boat you talking about? >> On the vessel. The yacht. >> The yacht. >> Yeah. Uhhuh. >> After I was on the yacht,\n\n[00:30:52] um I heard some noise at the back of the boat. The other guys that was swimming but the vessel too. Mhm. >> The semiot but the viot and then things end up calming a kind of way and then we all we all stay at the back of the boat and then I don't know what the white man do call police or call coast guard and then after couple minutes >> okay I don't want you to dwell so much on what what happened >> no I just tell you after >> no no let me just explain that I don't want you to dwell so too much on what\n\n[00:31:27] happened with the the >> No I come up for that already. Yeah. >> Hold on, hold on, hold on. As I'm trying to tell you, I don't want you to dwell on that because that is the subject of a criminal charge that has been brought against you by the police. Yes, sir. Yeah. >> So, you will at some stage, I imagine, have to give your evidence in court about it. >> Yes, sir. >> I'm not going to allow you to say anything here that can prejudice you. >> It can work against you if you speak\n\n[00:31:55] about something that will later be in court with a charge against you. So for your own protection, I I do not want to hear you in terms of what happened on the boat and who did what. You came, you asked for help, you did not get help. >> Yes, sir. Well, that is it. >> And thereafter, what did you do? You sought help, you didn't get help. What What did you do? >> We stay on the boat. The next boat pick us up, bring us to Thick Eye. >> Okay. So, a boat came. >> Yes.\n\n[00:32:29] Was it a rescue boat? Was it >> a rescue boat? It >> was it the marine police? Was it somebody moved from somebody else? >> Yes. >> Yeah. From Sufre. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Rescue boat that come and look for people. >> Come by the boat, take us and drop us at Tikai. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Anything else happened? >> Whai. We was there working on\n\n[00:32:55] emergency ambulance. We didn't get ambulance. So after a little while, a while a next boat, not the same boat touch of us, a next boat come pick us up and bring us to Suare. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So the boat a boat dropped you all to Tikai. >> Yes. >> Um all of you all disembark the boat at Tikai. >> The boat at Tikkai. >> Yeah. All of you all disembark. All of you all came off the boat when you\n\n[00:33:25] reached >> Tikai. Yeah. Yeah. >> Did anybody go back with the boat? >> To the boat? No. >> With the boat? Nobody else? Nobody stayed on the boat? >> No. Nobody on the boat. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And then you all got to Tikai and then an ambulance was called but the ambulance did not arrive. >> Yes, sir. >> And somebody came to meet you all at Tikai.\n\n[00:33:44] >> Yeah. >> And took you all to Suare. >> To the Sufra hospital. >> Yes. Yes. And who were who were the persons there with you at that point on that rescue board that took you all to to the hospital? Do you remember who the persons were? They had me, they had NY, they had Wabi, they had Mango, they had and they had Mado. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> It was only only men. >> Only men. Yeah. At that time. Yeah. Yes. So where were the ladies? As far as you\n\n[00:34:20] know, >> the ladies was I think they they had fly off the boat already. >> It was one lady on our boat on the way down. She had fly in the collision. >> She had fly off the boat. So we didn't know where she was, but the captain >> had already find her and we didn't know. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So it's after that we kept to know that. >> So all of y'all who were on that rescue boat were came from Kaza Jr. >> Yes. There were no there were no there was nobody from Ocean Angel who was on\n\n[00:34:50] that rescue boat. No. Okay. Very well. So you all went to the Suare Hospital? >> Yes. >> And did anything happen in relation to you? Did you suffer injuries? >> Yeah, I suffered some injuries >> as a result of the boat collision? >> No. >> Okay. Your injuries came from a a different scene apart from the collision. Okay. Yes. Oh, yes. >> Yes. Go ahead. >> The only injury I get on the boat, my tongue got cut in.\n\n[00:35:37] >> My tongue. >> Your tongue got cut. >> Yeah. Yes. Anything else that you wish to >> No sir, that's all. >> That's all. Okay. >> There is one witness remaining in in the witnesses. Sorry, >> this is the last one. Esta is the last witness. >> Okay. He's probably waiting for his friend. >> Yeah. And the name His name >> I'm sorry.\n\n[00:36:27] >> His name >> um Chris. >> Yeah. Chris. >> Okay. Is there any question that you wish to ask of the witness? Very well. >> Good day, Mr. Mr. Jean. >> Yes, sir. >> Lester. >> Yes, sir. >> Good. I just want to go through very brief with you but I want I want to be understood and I also want to un us to understand you said that we don't do briefing for locals\n\n[00:37:09] when we do tour. That is correct. >> Yes sir. >> We meaning the boat operator. >> I meaning all types of boats that do look >> No. Oh, I want you to speak to the boats that you are connected to. >> Oh, I don't work on boats. So, sorry about that. I just get right to go places on boats to say to work on boats. I don't work for >> And you said you do maintenance or something of that sort. >> I do maintenance like gardening and those stuff.\n\n[00:37:42] >> That's why I told maintenance. >> Maintenance on the boat or >> No, >> you do. I don't know how you call it but >> Okay, take me through. You do maintenance on land. >> Yeah. >> But you often go out on a boat. >> Yes, sir. Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> You also stated that sometimes you are alone. Can you explain that to me? >> Sometimes we got I have a friend I have a dingy boat. A dingy.\n\n[00:38:10] >> So you drive a boat alone? >> Yeah. A dingy? Yeah. >> Do you have a any license? Any sir training? >> No. No sir. No license. So you operate a small vessel without a license? >> Yes sir. >> In the Supra Bay? >> Yes sir. >> Okay. Are you the owner of that dingy? >> No sir. >> Is the owner aware that you do not have any kind of >> Yes sir. >> You care to share the name of the owner?\n\n[00:38:37] >> Um they have a lot of of them. >> That's the person name. A lot of them. >> A lot of my friends have dink. Oh, okay. Okay. I understand. Other than that dinky, the rubber dinky you referring to? >> Yes. >> Have you driven any other boats, for example, the size of Kazula or Ocean Angel? >> Yes. >> In the Sufra Bay. >> Sufre Bay. Yes. >> Or outside of >> outside Sufra. Yeah.\n\n[00:39:13] >> Anywhere? >> Anywhere >> without a license? >> Yes. Okay. The day in question, the 18th of July 2026 between the round trip, which would have been Sufre to Gile and back to Suare. >> Yes. >> Right. You did a round trip. Round trip. You left Suare. >> Sufre to Ros. >> Wait a minute. Calm down. You left Suare. You went to Gruille and back to\n\n[00:39:48] Suare. Did you drink any alcoholic beverages or otherwise before or during the trip? >> No sir, it's when I reach there. >> When you reach where? >> Um Rodney Bay. >> You care to share what you drunk? >> I drink some Peter. Two pree. >> Two free. >> Yeah, >> maybe. And two shots of comparing. >> Two shots of comparing. >> Yeah. >> And how many pons? >> Two to three ples.\n\n[00:40:23] >> No, there's not two or three. Two freeze. That's 23. Did you drink >> three? >> Oh, three. >> Three. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So you you drank two shots of kombari. Three pons. >> Yes sir. >> At Gili. >> Yes sir. That's before you went back to >> headed back to Sufra. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Understood.\n\n[00:40:46] >> Did you eat anything that would have affected your judgment before or during the trip? >> Any food, any cake, anything? >> No sir, >> you didn't? Did you inhale the fumes of the engines or or any other fume that would have or that that would have affected your judgment? >> No, sir. >> Do you smoke? But you didn't >> No, nothing like that. >> Not on that day.\n\n[00:41:15] >> No. No. >> Okay. >> So, we headed back to because it appeared that from Sufre to Gile that everything seemed to be okay. Did you observe from where you were sitting during the impact? Did you notice anybody falling or jumping in the water immediately before the impact? >> No, sir. Did you see who was at the front of the boat?\n\n[00:41:59] >> Yes, sir. At what point in time did that individual ended up in the water? >> Individual. >> Yes. >> I cannot tell you. I maybe wonder about both knock people fly. >> But were you looking at him? >> Well, I was looking in front. >> Uh-huh. When the collusion with nobody didn't know what happened is after one collusion then we get to know people fly off our boat. >> So the question I'm asking if you were\n\n[00:42:33] looking forward you were looking in front. >> Yes. >> So your back was facing the captain and >> no front. >> Your back didn't see anybody. >> Your back was resting and the captain was at your back. >> At the back. >> So you would have seen the lookout. the person who was at the front >> because we have established we have established very early that there was not a lookout the person who you assume was the lookout said he was not a\n\n[00:43:00] lookout so we're not going down there he have said clearly to this commission he was not a lookout he was just there okay >> yes I understand what you're saying but he was in the front >> he was at the front he was just at the front >> yes >> so did you see what At what point in time he went in the water because you were seeing him all along. >> I cannot agree or what? I don't know. >> I don't know. I don't know. >> But sir, you were looking at someone\n\n[00:43:33] throughout. You kept the person was in your vision, your line of vision. >> Yes. >> There was an impact and you don't know what time that person went into the water. There was Taylor and her boyfriend was right in front of me on the impact. I didn't even see when they fly in the water. >> Were you awake or >> I was awake? I could not see if they fly in the water and I could not tell if I see them because I have a fake eye. >> You have what?\n\n[00:44:04] >> A fake eye. So on this side, I could not see nothing on this side. >> Oh, you couldn't see on your >> I could only see that right now. I could not see >> on your right side. Yeah, you saw nothing I could see nothing like that. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's a fake eye. So I could only see on this side. >> Okay. And what side? >> Right in front of me. >> So if they fly, I didn't see you on >> everybody on the left side. You would\n\n[00:44:24] not have seen because of your eye injury. >> Yeah, on the right. >> Was that from the accident or previous? >> Previous. >> Oh, okay. Understand. So you were saying to the commission that through your right right eye? >> Yes. You would not have seen anything that would have happened because of a previous injury. >> Anybody that fly of the boat, I didn't see anybody. I don't see nobody fly. I just know that boat make a noise and we had people missing on our boat. I didn't\n\n[00:44:52] see them fly. >> Okay. Have you seen the vessel Kazola since the accident? >> Have I seen Have you seen the boat since the accident? >> No sir. >> You've not seen it? >> No sir. >> But you said to this commission when the impact after the impact you went to open the bow the hatch at the bow to get life jackets that is when the boat started taking in water? >> Yeah.\n\n[00:45:26] >> And you sure that is correct? >> Yes sir. I wish to inform you that having seen that vessel there was nowhere to open. So which means your statement to this commission about opening the hatch is incorrect. >> Is incorrect. >> It is not correct. And I think if Mr. The chair would allow you to see the vessel that there is no hatch to open because the entire mid to the starboard side of that vessel was damaged so badly that there was nothing to open. So how would you have opened\n\n[00:46:01] something with nothing to open? I opened the hatch in the front of Kaza Junior boat. The hatch in the bow they have a square thing where you could lift up and take the life jacket in there. I lift up that take out the life jacket. >> So what happened to the thing you lift up? After you lift it up, it disappear or it >> I just lift it up. I don't know where it go. I just lift up because life jacket I trying to look for. >> But from from the vessel the state the vessel is in that thing would have been destroyed along with the area with it.\n\n[00:46:34] >> No sir, it didn't destroy at the time. No. No. Cuz I went in the front of the bow to get the life jacket. I was on the boat still. >> So would you be surprised that when if you were to visit that vessel again that the area you claiming to open would have been so severely damaged that the vessel would have taken water anyway whether or not you went there. If the vessel is damaged is not when the accident when I take the life jacket in front it's maybe after the incident or when they pull the boat it may be damaged but why is the\n\n[00:47:20] accident the the cover for the life jacket in the bow was there still >> do you know what part of the boat got damaged >> no sir I could not tell you it's only in the bow or standing in the bow the other hole water was coming in the bow But the bow was good. The whole boat was good. >> So I'm still saying to you the impact from the accident severely damage the port the mid which would be kind of made towards the stab side which is mid leading to the right\n\n[00:47:55] side of Kaza. >> Yes. >> Which would have caused it to take water anyway. >> Yes. So your statement about an action that would have caused it to take water is incorrect. >> Incorrect. >> It is not correct. >> It's correct, sir. The boat had taken water. I was in the bow taking the life jacket. It was correct. >> Was correct. >> It was correct. >> What did you do immediately\n\n[00:48:26] after the accident? The impact. When the accident part we always wondering what what's going on, what happened? What >> what did you do? You what did you do? >> Me I didn't do anything. I just kept panicking. What? Cuz we have nobody on the boat. The guy saying we asking people asking for help that and that stop to jump sea. Other guys have to try to fix the boat to do something. Then I rush in the front to go and look for life jacket and then the boat had a big hole and then it sunk when you try to\n\n[00:49:08] one man one try to give it split. The boat sank. >> Where did the boat sank immediately after? >> No sir. The boat didn't sink immediately. >> Where did it sink? >> It sank after we take the live jacket. The boat start sinking. Was the boat driven away from the area with you on board when >> it was going a little spin cuz the engineing wasn't good. It break. So it was turning around cuz the engine was break. So it could not go straight.\n\n[00:49:37] >> So the boat was spinning around. >> No, it was it could never hold it the boat straight. Even though you give it spin cuz the thing break. So the engine is >> the thing in terms of >> to keep the engine >> the control. >> Yeah. Not the not the steering wheel. >> Okay. >> It's by the engine itself to keep it stable. So I think that damage. So the engine >> the ram I I jo >> the thing the the the part of the boat\n\n[00:50:07] that the engine is fixed to. >> So that would be the ram >> to Yeah. To finish. Yeah. >> So that was damaged. It was damaged. So the inching water kind of way, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So the boat started moving and then it sunk. >> Yes. >> Were you on the boat when it sunk? >> Yes, sir. In the bow kitting the life jacket. That's when it t sunk in. I put the life jacket and I jumped in the water.\n\n[00:50:34] >> And what happened after? >> That's when I swim to go and look for help. How far from the area of the impact did the boat sunk? >> I could not tell you how far, but it was very deepy. I could tell you what, 300 ft. >> 300 ft from the impact. >> From the shoreline to the impact, maybe 300 ft. But from the impact to where the boat maybe like I could say 30 to 40 feet away. We was >> from >> 30 to 40 ft away\n\n[00:51:13] >> from the impact. >> From the impact. >> So there was movement. >> Yeah. Yes. >> Right. And how many persons were on the boat while it was sinking? >> I think four. Four of us. >> Four of you. >> Nyall Mango and Mado. Did the captain drive that boat at all after the impact? Not the captain, the owner. No, I just think he tried to just speed because it wasn't moving anywhere. That's the that gifa.\n\n[00:51:51] >> Was the captain the one driving? No, the captain, the owner was the one driving the boat at the time it sank. Um, Kazola >> Kazola Kazola Jr. was the captain the one staring it >> at the time. >> No, no, no, sir. Because nobody could have st about even though he tried to steer it, the engine it damaged. Nobody could have ste. >> Was there anybody trying to ste >> Yeah, somebody m was trying to hold the engine. Mad and mango trying to hold the\n\n[00:52:28] engine. I don't know if I trying to do something but I tell them let's try to get on shoreline to look for help but they could not do nothing with the engine. So when the engine take a little speed the sun at the time was in the bow taking the life jacket and then one one them fall in the sea and then that's it. But by the admission of the captain and persons previous, they stated to this commission that whilst the captain, sorry, whilst the captain jumped into the water and he was rescuing some persons, the owner of the boat tried to take the boat to shore. Is\n\n[00:53:14] that correct? >> Yes, I think so. Yeah, because it wasn't working. So, he could not take it to shore. That's what I'm telling you. And when he had traveled a particular distance, the boat sank >> like 10 ft, 5 ft again. >> I don't know when they just give it a little speed because the boat was stable. So if you just give it a little speed, it just stick water. So it just sunk one time. But if the ram is broken, the ram is what keep the boat together. How would\n\n[00:53:49] the captain be able to drive? >> Nobody could not drive the boat, sir. >> So that you would say that the captain was not speaking the not the captain, the owner was not speaking the truth by trying to move the boat. By moving the boat a distance, >> he was trying to move it from the spot to try to get to the shore, but it wasn't moving the engine. So then I think Mov was trying to hold the engine straight for him. >> Where was Mado during that? >> In the back at that time. >> In the water? No, in the back by the\n\n[00:54:19] engine. >> At the stern of the engine. >> Yeah. >> At the stern of the vessel. Sorry. >> At the back. Yeah. At the back. >> And what were you doing >> in the front? Getting life jacket. >> So the boat was sinking at the front. >> The boat was taking water already. We didn't know our boat was sinking. If one take too much water, then we need to know the boat was sinking. That's all for now. >> Okay, sir.\n\n[00:54:57] >> Good evening, Mr. John. >> Yes, sir. >> How is your tongue healing? >> Um, it was a little goody, but take me a lot of two weeks or 3 weeks to heal. Yeah. I have to try to eat one aside. >> It's much better now. >> Yes. >> Okay. I'm particularly intrigued by a statement you've made and you've said it about three times. No safety briefings are done for locals. >> Yes sir.\n\n[00:55:32] >> And you stand by that statement. >> I know I bought plenty of boats before. Not carolder only. Plenty of boats and locals. Nobody give locals briefings. They only give tourist briefings. One about the tourist because the tourist pay more money. So black people not paying money. You don't get briefings. >> I see. And how long have you been throughout what time period have you been engaging in these boat rides? >> Um long time. Uh maybe I could say 10 years. 10 years. Yes.\n\n[00:56:13] And throughout the 10 years, you've observed that no safety briefings are being done for locals. >> Yes, sir. >> That's correct. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Have you ever been on a boat ride prior to the 18th of July on a vessel being skippered by Tyson? Tyson like after that or before? Be >> before. >> Sometimes I bought a boat. We go on a beach on Tyson's fishing boat.\n\n[00:56:49] >> On his fishing boat. >> Yeah. >> And you mentioned that you have skipped you have driven other boats. >> Yeah. Like dingies. Yeah. >> Apart from dingies. >> Yeah, I drive other boats already. >> What's the biggest vessel you've driven? Speed boat. >> What size? >> 28. Boing. >> A boring 27 28 30 ft. >> 28. >> The biggest being the 28. >> Yeah. 28. Yeah.\n\n[00:57:23] >> And the biggest with how many engines? >> Two engines. >> So you've driven a boring 28 with two engines? >> Yes. And you are not in possession of a captain's license. >> Um 225. D I working for Sugar Beach. >> You work for Sugar Beach. >> Yes. So anybody could drive the boat at Sugar Beach. >> Can you just repeat that again? >> I was working for Sugar Beach >> at the time. >> At the time of captain, anybody drive\n\n[00:57:55] the boat >> at Sugar Beach, the hotel where you work? That was a long time ago when I driving in the boat. Yeah. >> And how long ago was that? >> 10 years back. >> So that's 2016. >> Yes. Yes. >> That's when you stopped working there. >> That's when I stopped working there. Yeah. Yeah. >> And the hotel would allow you to operate the vessel when no other captains were available. >> Yeah. Because only one captain they have\n\n[00:58:25] the captain of anybody drive the boat. Not me alone. Plenty of guys don't have license drive the boat too. >> And when you've been driving these vessels 28 ft with two engines, have you had passengers on board? >> Tourist? Yes. Looking for the hotel? Yes. So you've driven the vessel with two engines with no captain license with tourist with the knowledge of the hotel. >> Yes sir. It's happened all by now. It's happening still.\n\n[00:59:09] >> Have you ever taken a course with Slasper? >> No sir. Why not? >> I not a captain. I don't trust any captain. I just doing my job. So they don't have somebody to do a little drive the boat and they have trips. They want to dive and stuff. They will just send anybody with the diver. >> Speaking to the mic. While when you driving with the when you open with hotels and their captain is not there and they have divers, people want to go snuckle, they will give the boat to anybody\n\n[00:59:47] to drive the boat with the divers to go and dive. I just want to make sure that I understand what you're saying that you're not a captain. You do not have a captain's license. >> Yes. >> You're not interested in being a captain. >> Yes. >> Speak into the mic. >> Yes, sir. >> You have not taken a course from Slasper to be a captain.\n\n[01:00:22] >> Yes, sir. But you have on occasions driven a vessel with tourists, sometimes going to dive for the hotel. >> Yes, sir. >> In the 10 years you've been boating, have you ever observed the captains of these vessels in communication with BG Lighthouse? No sir, we do night trips. Sometimes I do night chip with the captains, original captains and they don't have briefings with lighthouse. So when we passing cast trees going up, they'll call lighthouse\n\n[01:01:05] and say like they passing. That never happened. >> And that's coming from Sufare to go up north or coming from >> to go up north enough to come back so free. >> And what's the latest at night you've helped a captain on a vessel? >> I could say like sometimes 10:00 to go up, come back down 1:00, 2:00 2:00 in the morning. >> Yes, sir. Yeah. >> And on these voyages, you have no communication with PG life?\n\n[01:01:46] >> No. No, sir. >> Okay. I want to go back to the voyage from Rodney Bay to Sra. You left Rodney be at about You couldn't confirm the time. >> No. No. >> But it was night. >> It was night. Yeah. >> How was the weather? >> The weather um I could say a little dark. >> Was it raining? >> No, not raining. No.\n\n[01:02:24] >> Now, how was the sea? >> Sea was a little Not too much. That's a little choppy. Not too much. When you say not too much like sometimes it's flat, sometimes it's rolling the knife is just a little choppy on the surface. >> Speaking to that. >> So it's just a little choppy on the surface. Not like rolling like rolling just >> so based on these sea conditions and your experience in driving vessels, how fast were you heading up to Sufra?\n\n[01:03:06] >> I could say 1,500 RPM. >> 1,00 >> 500 RPM. Yeah. Normal speed. Take it easy. Take it light. >> Okay. The night in question before the accident. Where were you seated on the vessel? >> At the back. In front of the captain. >> In front of the captain. >> Yeah. >> And how many persons were in front of you?\n\n[01:03:49] two Taylor and a boyfriend >> and they were right in front of me. You had the next right in front of me and was it was right in front of me and they had Murdoch and Wabby in front and Mado in the front. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We are free at the back and Tyson was a captain. >> And based on the location where you were seated, what was the last thing you notice around you prior to the impact? >> The last thing\n\n[01:04:30] >> last and anything that you remember that you observed before impact? No, I just know we are going down to sufly, you know. But to tell you like I noticed anything. We just I just heard a noise and that's it. >> So there was nothing out of the ordinary? >> No. No, nothing. >> You did not notice any lights coming towards you? >> No lights. Nothing. So no, >> no, nothing. >> No.\n\n[01:05:02] >> On each side of the vessel? >> No, sir. You mentioned the only thing visible was light from the land. >> Yeah. From the land. Yeah. Yeah. >> And that was of >> from the lake cast trees those light there you know on the shoreline. Yes. >> Okay. Immediately after the impact, do you recall whether any flares were discharged? >> No sir. Any sirens? >> No, sir.\n\n[01:05:38] >> Any nothing at all? Nothing. >> And And what exactly was the captain doing at that time? >> Driving the boat. >> Driving the boat immediately after the impact. >> No, no, no. The captain I thought was saying why we was going down. We was driving the boat. >> Okay. But after the impact, the captains jump in the sea to help all those people. >> Okay. >> Yeah.\n\n[01:06:09] >> Did you have a a tele a cell phone? >> No, sir. I didn't have no cell phone at that time. So that's why I didn't know that time or anything. Yeah. >> Did you observe anybody with a cell phone immediately after the impact? >> After the impact? No. is when I get to the shor when I get to tai then mu had his phone I think he's a waterproof phone so he end up calling somebody I don't know he call >> do you recall if he called the coast guard or police or >> I don't know but maybe his family I don't know he called\n\n[01:06:46] okay thank you >> welcome answer. >> Mr. J, good evening. >> Good evening, sir. >> Earlier during your testimony, you would have said that you have I go on a lot of boat trips. I cannot count. >> Yes, sir. >> Right. You said all of these boat trips are with local persons. >> Yes, sir. With locals like night times or Yes, >> with locals. >> Locals. Yeah.\n\n[01:07:21] >> And there were no briefings on any of these trips? >> No, sir. You also went on to say because the tourists pay more, there are always briefings with the tourists. >> Yes, sir. >> Right. But if you've been on boat trips with only locals, how do you know that there are no briefings with the tourists? >> If the tourist so longs you bought the boat or I just be selling the tourist, I know when they going on the boat, they\n\n[01:07:52] telling the tourist everything. How do you know that? Because from your admission, all those boat trips you've been on have been with locals. >> It's locals only. >> Yes. >> So if you've not been on boat trips with tourists? >> I have been in boat trips with tourists. >> So you have been on boat trips tourists too. >> Yes. >> That's what I'm asking because you would have said\n\n[01:08:16] >> yes. >> For all of these trips that you can count, it has been locals. >> Mostly when we go party. Oh, mostly when you go parties. >> Yeah, party. >> But tourist is more I know since no tourist trip is afternoon. >> So how how how often have you been on boating trips with tourists? >> That mean a long time. >> How often? How many times a day a year or I could say in a year maybe like sometimes not too much maybe like 20\n\n[01:08:51] trips. 20 trips in a year with with tourists. >> Yeah. With tourists. Yeah. >> And there have always been briefings on these trips. >> Yes. >> Safety briefings. >> Yeah. Tell the tourists like you have to wear live jacket, no alcohol before you go snuckle, different stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Always tell the tourist that. But for locals, no. >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. >> Yes. >> Good evening.\n\n[01:09:21] >> Good evening. Just a few questions. Um, you indicated that you worked at Sugar Beach about 10 years ago and there you would have operated vessels. >> Vessel. Yes. >> Um, have you operated any vessels apart from dingies within the last year? >> No sir. No. No. Yeah. >> So when last you would have operated a a vessel? >> A vessel >> after you left Sugar Beach? >> That was the dinky times when I just ruled the\n\n[01:09:49] dinky. >> Apart from the dingies? No. >> Okay. Have you ever operated at Kazula Jr.? >> No. No. >> And did it ever occur to you that it was an unsafe practice to operate a vessel without a boat license? >> Yes, I know that. >> And have you ever operated any vessels at night? >> At night? No. Not too often. Not what? >> No. >> I know you said you've never received any SLASPA training, but aside from\n\n[01:10:31] receiving any training from SAS Slasper, are you knowledgeable about navigation and maritime safety? >> I know about the lights, but I don't know about the ROSA. I know green light, red light, but I don't know the rules. And can you tell us the furthest you've driven a vessel apart from the dingies? >> I could say a vessel. >> Yes. Any boat apart from the dingies or fishing boat? only like su around suare around unchas the dive spot not too far >> and have you ever been stopped by anyone\n\n[01:11:30] from slash the maritime police in relation >> no no no ma'am no >> thank you >> welcome Just to clarify, I think you had said originally that you've never driven on boats with tourists, but afterwards you said you have driven. >> That's when I was working with Sugar Beach. >> While you were working with Sugar Beach? >> Yeah. >> You had been on boats with tourist.\n\n[01:12:00] >> Yes. both captaining the boat and and and on the crew and as a passenger >> captaining the crew because you don't have somebody will have to go because that it's a hotel policy. >> Okay. And when you go do you give these these briefings to the tourists? >> Yes. Back in the days you have to give the tourist briefing where the live jacket is, they have um spray, water, everything. You have to tell the tourist that\n\n[01:12:40] and where you going to the destination. You have to tell them all that. You know, you know Slasper, you St. Lucia NCOS Authority. >> You know Slasper, the entity called St. Lucia NC ports authority? >> Yeah, I know Slasper. Yeah. >> Have you ever had any dealings with Slasper? >> No. No. >> And all the time you've been driving boats from 10 years ago and more, you never had any encounter whatsoever with Slasper? or anybody working with SAS? >> No sir.\n\n[01:13:21] >> What about the marine police? >> No. >> Have you ever had any interaction with Marine? >> No. No. No sir. >> None at all through all the years that you've been driving boats? >> No. No. No. >> And you have you ever had contact with the Viji Lighthouse for all the soas, no marine unit? No, >> no. Lighthouse ever in all the times that you've been driving or you've been around boats?\n\n[01:13:52] >> Yes. No, sir. Yeah. Yeah. >> Tell me why did you say Mavado was the lookout? What what caused you to say that? >> May I ever tell Mad was Lucata? You never said mou was look out. >> I I tell mad was in the front. He was always in the front of the boat. >> I see. >> Because he told me like already say he don't look out. I tell him be in the front. >> I see. >> Yeah. >> So you never said he was the lookout.\n\n[01:14:30] >> No. >> Understand? I thought I heard you say that. So, as far as you're aware, there was no lookout on the boat. Please move out the seat in the front of that Wrong bow. They just have a little bit of stick, fin stick. That is where he just sit on that. >> Who sits there? Sorry. >> Mad. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's his number one sit. I don't\n\n[01:15:24] know how he like that sit. >> But you saying you he he was not the lookout. >> I don't know if he was looking out or I don't know if they put him in charge of lookout, but that is where he just sit. >> Yeah. But there is no other person as far as you know who was a lookout. >> They had people up looking in front. All of us are looking in front. >> But to say we see anything, no, I didn't see anything. >> Okay. >> Yes. Is there anything you want to add,\n\n[01:16:01] minus, multiply, or divide before you you stop your evidence? >> No, sir. >> I just want to ask you a question, Mr. J, to clarify something. when you worked for Sugar Beach and occasionally you would have to use the the the vessel the 28footer with two engines. Where is the furthest you went with that vessel? I could tell you Sugar Beach to Anchas at the furthest. >> Sugar Beach >> to Anjas. And\n\n[01:16:45] >> when you say Anastas to the dive spot, Turtle Reef and >> Turtle Reef >> and the Anchasnne reef. >> What about Answaming? >> Yeah, that's the Turtle Reef. Answering >> an SMA in that area. So you you would cross over leave Sugar Beach, cross over the Suare Bay. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Ratchet Point. >> Ratchet Point. We >> continue. >> We don't pass ratchet point. We just go\n\n[01:17:17] straight >> and you go straight straight line >> to the point. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that's without a license. >> Yes, sir. >> With passengers. >> With passenger. And you've never been intercepted by marine police? >> No, sir. >> By Slasper? >> No, sir. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Mr. J. >> Yes.\n\n[01:17:42] >> Just two questions. I heard you said to the chair that you were never in contact with Slasper any means of communication where your license or otherwise is concerned. That's correct. >> Yes sir. >> Neither the marine police unit. >> Yes sir. >> The suare police >> of license. >> Have the su police ever warned you or cautioned you about operating a vessel? >> No sir. >> Never did.\n\n[01:18:12] >> No sir. How about the SMMA Rangers? >> No sir. >> So nobody have seen you done that for the past 10 years? >> Yes. There been a long time I haven't tried both yet. >> So if this commission were to contact Sugar Beach and request information as to this the testimony you gave about operating their vessel with their guests. >> Yeah. Are you comfortable that that information will be available from the hotel? >> Yes, sir. And they have proof, they have\n\n[01:18:47] camera, right? And finally, with all that you have said there, are you aware that four persons have lost their lives in that accident and many other persons are still nursing serious injuries? >> Yes, sir. I know that. Are you comfortable that all of And are you comfortable that all of this has happened and the information that you give may or may not be as accurate to help this commission. All the information I give is good\n\n[01:19:29] but the people we lost and the people I bad for me. >> Second, >> the people we lost and the thing happened is bad. But all what I tell you is that's it. >> And as someone who was a captain for over 10 years, as you may have said, without papers. >> Yes. >> Did you see anything that was going wrong that you could have done >> to assist in preventing that from happening? Because it is clear to this um commission that you had\n\n[01:20:05] experience. whether or not you had >> if I had >> one second just one second one second please stay with me you have testify to the commission that you've been doing it without valid documents and what I am saying to you that you would have seen something happening this night that you could have done otherwise >> which may have not resulted in the death of four individuals. Thank you very much. You don't need to answer. So we\n\n[01:20:52] don't know yet. I think we can at least have moment. >> Mr. J me again. One final question. Whilst you were doing these trips with this vessel while employed at the Hotel Sugar Beach, at any one point in time, did the hotel ask you whether you had captain's certification? I think it was one guy at the time. Um he was the chief of security. I call him Harry. He had saw me with the boat and he bring it up to HR. Make HR know that I don't have a license to drive the boat. But HR will tell him like that.\n\n[01:21:48] That's my job to do. >> To the hotel for the record never ask you to provide >> certificates supporting that you are trained. >> No sir. No >> captain. No, thank you. >> One final question, Mr. Sha. What >> What department at the hotel were you employed with? >> Water spots. >> With water spots. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Wednesday and and Friday. >> What happened to the Wednesday?\n\n[01:22:21] What's the reason for not Wednesday? >> It's going to be Wednesday unless somebody can give me a good reason why not. Okay. Well, thank you for your evidence. As I've indicated to other witnesses, there's a possibility that we may recall you at some time if anything arises that causes us to require further evidence from you. It may not be likely, but it is possible. And I just wanted to alert you in advance that in case you get a summons or a message at some time that you are required to come back here then you\n\n[01:23:01] ought not to be surprised. >> Yes sir. >> Thank you very much for your evidence. You may step down. >> Okay sir. Okay. to this brings an end to our our public our sittings public sittings for for this week. Um unfortunately the one of our members will be off Ireland Thursday from Thursday tomorrow until Monday. So the earliest date that would would normally have been available is Tuesday. However, there's likely to be a sitting of parliament on Tuesday. So, uh, more\n\n[01:23:47] than likely our next sitting would be on Wednesday. Help me out, somebody with the date of Wednesday. 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Three, to review the standard operating procedures and protocols governing maritime activity, maritime safety, and maritime investigations in St. Lucia, and four, to make recommendations consequent on its findings. The commission will accordingly receive evidence, reports, and other relevant information orally or in writing from\n","display_text":"the Customs Control and Management Act chapter 1505 and the Carriage of Goods by Sea Act chapter 13.26 and to make recommendations to inform the drafting of a modern maritime act. Three, to review the standard operating procedures and protocols governing maritime activity, maritime safety, and maritime investigations in St. Lucia, and four, to make recommendations consequent on its findings. The commission will accordingly receive evidence, reports, and other relevant information orally or in writing from\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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The commission is also expected to review legislation in St. Lucia which touch and concern the operation of boats and maritime accidents and incidents in St. Lucia.\n","display_text":"members of the four the family of the four deceased persons from the surviving passengers and crew of the two boats involved in the collision. From witnesses to the collision and what immediately followed it, and from police officers, fire service and ambulance personnel. and from the director of maritime affairs of the St. Lucia Air and Seap Ports Authority. The commission is also expected to review legislation in St. Lucia which touch and concern the operation of boats and maritime accidents and incidents in St. Lucia.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Commission therefore is to receive and assess the facts and information from the sources just mentioned. examine and review the relevant legislation against the background of the facts and information received and to make recommendations to government and other agencies for the safe conduct of maritime operations in St. Lucia.\n","display_text":"The legislation which have been identified as being relevant to the commission of inquiry. I have already referred to them in addressing the terms of reference of the commission. Commission therefore is to receive and assess the facts and information from the sources just mentioned. examine and review the relevant legislation against the background of the facts and information received and to make recommendations to government and other agencies for the safe conduct of maritime operations in St. Lucia.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Their backgrounds and relevant experience should conduce to their being\n","display_text":"The commission of inquiry has previously met in camera and meets today for its first public sitting. At the outset of our public sittings, I must inform you that the commission appointed to undertake this inquiry is an independent body. I do not know the political or other personal preferences, prejudices, predilictions and predispositions of the five people whom I'm sitting with as commissioners and officers of the commission of inquiry. Their backgrounds and relevant experience should conduce to their being\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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This is not window dressing or a cosmetic cover of or for any deficiencies or failings by anyone.\n","display_text":"able to conduct themselves professionally and free from any biases which they otherwise have had. So the family and friends of the two young men and two young women who perished in the maritime collision at Anse Cochon concerned members of the public and personnel from all of the agencies governmental or otherwise with an interest in what transpired on that fateful night. Do rest assured that this is not a rubber stamp. This is not window dressing or a cosmetic cover of or for any deficiencies or failings by anyone.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C011","title":"Reading correction","text":"Ans Koshaw → Anse Cochon. Explicit reference to the maritime collision location, repeatedly identified as Anse Cochon; not a district or an unrelated route landmark. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-001008","part":1,"ordinal":12,"timestamp":"00:10:08","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"opening","char_start":5672,"char_end":6229,"raw_text":"- **[00:10:08]** The inquiry is also not an investigation as might be conducted by the police leading to the arrest of anyone for criminal offenses allegedly committed by anyone on the night in question. The information which we have been provided with indicates that there is one person who was charged with trespassing on a yacht anchored in the water near the scene of the collision and with causing grievous harm to the owner of the yacht. This alleged incident has resulted in criminal charges being instituted against someone for the alleged trespass\n","display_text":"The inquiry is also not an investigation as might be conducted by the police leading to the arrest of anyone for criminal offenses allegedly committed by anyone on the night in question. The information which we have been provided with indicates that there is one person who was charged with trespassing on a yacht anchored in the water near the scene of the collision and with causing grievous harm to the owner of the yacht. This alleged incident has resulted in criminal charges being instituted against someone for the alleged trespass\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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We invite persons with such information and who have not been summoned to give evidence before the commission to make contact with the secretary of the\n","display_text":"on the boat and assault of its owner. That being so the incident may be mentioned in the course of the inquiry as part of the res just but will not be dwelt on by this commission in the course of the coming days, weeks and months. We will receive evidence, reports and other information in written or oral form from anyone who has relevant information to convey to the commission. We invite persons with such information and who have not been summoned to give evidence before the commission to make contact with the secretary of the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Witnesses may also be prosecuted and\n","display_text":"commission, Miss Lenita Joseph, at the telephone number and email address which will be provided to you by by Miss Joseph on your request. It is important to note that the commissioners have the powers of the high court to summons witnesses and to call for the production of books, plans and documents and to examine witnesses and parties on oath. Just like in the high court, a person summoned by the commissioners is bound to obey the summons and may be subject to a penalty for failing to do so. Witnesses may also be prosecuted and\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Barring the avoidance of self-inccrimination, witnesses are expected to take the stand\n","display_text":"punished for perjury if they willfully give false evidence. A witness giving evidence before the commission is not however compellable to say anything which may incriminate him or her. And the witness may therefore refuse to answer a question on the ground that his or her answer can subject him or her to criminal prosecution or can suggest that he or she is involved in a crime. Pleading the fifth is how the Americans like to refer to it. Barring the avoidance of self-inccrimination, witnesses are expected to take the stand\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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That is the function of of\n","display_text":"and speak the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I do want to assure witnesses though that as I indicated, we are not an investigative tribunal to determine whether anyone has committed any offense. We expect you to be assisting in the process of making the determinations that this commission has been charged by the Governor General to make. But it will it will not be a process that will lead to some trial, some charge, some conviction by of any person who will give evidence before the commission. That is the function of of\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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However, it has been brought to my attention that there are persons who have been summoned to give evidence before this commission\n","display_text":"another body uh with which we are not concerned. Members of the media and members of the public generally are free to attend the public sittings of the commission unless specifically prohibited from doing so by the chairman of the commission or by the secretary of the commission acting under the directions of the chairman. I would at this stage have asked the the secretary to call the first witness. However, it has been brought to my attention that there are persons who have been summoned to give evidence before this commission\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I will therefore have to ask those persons to\n","display_text":"uh who may not exactly have prepared themselves from the standpoint of their wardrobe to participate in this uh formal uh occasion which is a commission of inquiry appointed by the governor general. Speaking for my part and I suspect I can take the liberty to speak on behalf of the other commissioners on this. I am not I will not be comfortable welcoming to the witness stands so to speak persons who appear to be clearly inappropriately dressed for this occasion. I will therefore have to ask those persons to\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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As I said, no one is asking anybody to to go\n","display_text":"uh seek to equip themselves with with attire that may be more befitting. No one is asking witnesses to go and and adorn jackets and ties in order to uh give evidence before the commission. But cut up short pants for instance is a no no. And we would ask in the circumstances persons who who have been summoned to give evidence before the commission this morning or who are otherwise present uh to to take their to take brief exit in order to uh adorn themselves attire themselves more appropriately. As I said, no one is asking anybody to to go\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I the witnesses therefore are are so directed and may be assisted by whether the the by the the police officer on duty to exit and to return as soon as they can find without going to Sufra. that is as soon as they can find something uh that would make it more appropriate for them to uh appear before this formal inquiry that is taking place today. >> Um witnesses, you did hear what the chairman said, so if anyone needs to be\n","display_text":"f find a a jacket and tie, but a long pants might be helpful. I the witnesses therefore are are so directed and may be assisted by whether the the by the the police officer on duty to exit and to return as soon as they can find without going to Soufrière. that is as soon as they can find something uh that would make it more appropriate for them to uh appear before this formal inquiry that is taking place today. >> Um witnesses, you did hear what the chairman said, so if anyone needs to be\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You said you don't spray, right? >> Yes, ma'am. That's the original. >> Yes. If you have a different I, Luciano God, do sincerely and\n","display_text":"excused, you may do so now. And to and to return uh to return promptly. >> promptly. Yes. Why would somebody imagine that they Thank you, chairman. At this time, we will call our first witness, Corporal 153 Luchiano Guard. You will take the oath or if you wish to affirm. Affirm. You said you don't spray, right? >> Yes, ma'am. That's the original. >> Yes. If you have a different I, Luciano God, do sincerely and\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I work at the marine intelligence and investigations unit and I am the\n","display_text":"solemnly affirm that the information I shall give in this matter shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I do affirm. She's not This is a little far from me. Yes. Could you kindly state your name, your address, your office and your your role in the investigative process which has brought us to where we are now. >> My name is Luciano Guard. I live at Sarat Castries. I'm a corporal of police. I work at the marine intelligence and investigations unit and I am the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1-V2-C006","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"My name is Luciano. I live at Sarcastries. → My name is Luciano Guard. I live at Sarat Castries.. Apply exact user-supplied name/address reading locally. Sarat spelling is the user spelling and is not silently normalized. Sarat locality spelling may need checking independently; do not claim canonical spelling. Luciano Guard is user-supplied, not independently audio-verified by this pass."}]},{"id":"P1-002017","part":1,"ordinal":23,"timestamp":"00:20:17","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":11519,"char_end":12028,"raw_text":"- **[00:20:17]** investigator in reference to matter that occurred in Ansco on the 18th. on the 18th. As the investigating officer, do you have documents in connection with this matter? the documents you would have acquired and accumulated along the way, witness statements, reports and other such documents concerning the incident which you wish to uh present to this inquiry. >> I do. Your honor, >> these are the set documents. >> Can you itemize the the documents so that we're show what you intending to\n","display_text":"investigator in reference to matter that occurred in Anse Cochon on the 18th. on the 18th. As the investigating officer, do you have documents in connection with this matter? the documents you would have acquired and accumulated along the way, witness statements, reports and other such documents concerning the incident which you wish to uh present to this inquiry. >> I do. Your honor, >> these are the set documents. >> Can you itemize the the documents so that we're show what you intending to\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C013","title":"Reading correction","text":"Ansco → Anse Cochon. Explicit reference to the maritime collision location, repeatedly identified as Anse Cochon; not a district or an unrelated route landmark. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-002108","part":1,"ordinal":24,"timestamp":"00:21:08","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":12028,"char_end":12470,"raw_text":"- **[00:21:08]** give us is what we would have received. The document has a cover sheet. It then has a table of contents which is three pages long. It then has a summary of facts. which is 14 pages long. It then has a pearly sweet witness statement in my name, Luciano. which is four pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name Kenisonson Jamari which is two pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name.\n","display_text":"give us is what we would have received. The document has a cover sheet. It then has a table of contents which is three pages long. It then has a summary of facts. which is 14 pages long. It then has a pearly sweet witness statement in my name, Luciano. which is four pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name Kenisonson Jamari which is two pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-002246","part":1,"ordinal":25,"timestamp":"00:22:46","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":12470,"char_end":12865,"raw_text":"- **[00:22:46]** >> Sorry, what Jamari did you say? Kenisonson Jamari. >> And you say it is two pages long. >> Two pages long. >> Yes. >> It then has a w police witness statement in the name Ji Gonzag which is three pages long. police witness statement in the name Lily May Dashville which is two pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name Shy Smith which is two pages long.\n","display_text":">> Sorry, what Jamari did you say? Kenisonson Jamari. >> And you say it is two pages long. >> Two pages long. >> Yes. >> It then has a w police witness statement in the name Ji Gonzag which is three pages long. police witness statement in the name Lily May Dashville which is two pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name Shy Smith which is two pages long.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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It then has a police witness statement in the name Hazel Innocent which is three pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name Tyresa Teet which is four pages long. It then has a police witness statement in the name Mario Chico which is three pages long. It then has a police witness statement\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-002426","part":1,"ordinal":27,"timestamp":"00:24:26","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":13279,"char_end":13641,"raw_text":"- **[00:24:26]** in the name Irvin Kut Alfred which is four pages long. It then has a witness statement in the name Immani Senqua which is two pages long. It then has a witness statement in the name Denlin Samuel which is two pages long. >> Is that Henlin? >> Denlin N l I N >> Denlin Samuel >> Samuel. Yeah. It then has a >> how many pages you said? Den Samuel\n","display_text":"in the name Irvin Kut Alfred which is four pages long. It then has a witness statement in the name Immani Senqua which is two pages long. It then has a witness statement in the name Denlin Samuel which is two pages long. >> Is that Henlin? >> Denlin N l I N >> Denlin Samuel >> Samuel. Yeah. It then has a >> how many pages you said? Den Samuel\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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That's an that's and the two pages >> two pages is two pages are missing in this in this in this witness. >> The two pages you have a page one and\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-002544","part":1,"ordinal":29,"timestamp":"00:25:44","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":13979,"char_end":14506,"raw_text":"- **[00:25:44]** page >> one and and um three two pages are missing in this witness statement. That's all. anything you can tell us quickly as to why you do not have pages uh two and four. >> These pages must have gotten um mixed up when I unstapled the file and I was making the copies of the file. 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And you say it is how many pages long? >> Four pages long.\n","display_text":"missing pages. However, I thought it was a number in error because it was 48 and 48. >> Yes, proceed. >> It has a witness statement in the name Tyson Hippolit, which is two pages long. It has a supplementary report which is four pages long. a supplementary report of of the incident of the investigation at the at the particular time. And you say it is how many pages long? >> Four pages long.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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There's a small craft certificate apply for hire from St. Lucia Air and Seap Port Authority for vessel. >> Sorry, you said what document? >> Small craft certificate flying for hire. >> Yes. >> From St. Lucia Air and Seaport Authority with vessel name Angel III which is three pages long. There is a small craft certificate applying for hire from St. Lucia Air and Seapport\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-003650","part":1,"ordinal":38,"timestamp":"00:36:50","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":17954,"char_end":18307,"raw_text":"- **[00:36:50]** Authority in vessel name Kazula JR which is three pages long. There is a insurance document for vessel Ocean 3 which is two pages long. 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There is a request for police witness statement from myself, Corporal 153 PC 954 Harris which is one page. There is a request for police witness statement to from myself, Corporal 15 regard to PC 918\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-003910","part":1,"ordinal":40,"timestamp":"00:39:10","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":18691,"char_end":19138,"raw_text":"- **[00:39:10]** Gonzag. There is a request for police witness statement from myself, Corporal 153 to WPC 461 Smith. There is a request for police witness statement from myself, Corporal 153 to WPC 951 Dashville. There is a request for police witness statement from myself, Corporal 153 regard to PC 730 Jamari. 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There is an investigations diary prepared by myself which forms three pages. >> Investigations diary you said. >> Yes sir. Yes commissioner. Yes chairman. >> And how many pages you send? >> Three pages. Thank you. And that concludes the documents that I have here. Let me just do a quick check. These requests for police witness statements are they in respect of the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-004143","part":1,"ordinal":42,"timestamp":"00:41:43","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":19589,"char_end":19949,"raw_text":"- **[00:41:43]** same police witness statements you mentioned earlier? >> Yes, sir. Yes, chairman. >> And all of the the persons whom you requested statements from? All of the officers did give statements? >> No, chairman. >> And who in particular did not give witness statements? Corporal 251 Stannis. Corporal 256. >> 256. Stan is less and on my cover sheet\n","display_text":"same police witness statements you mentioned earlier? >> Yes, sir. Yes, chairman. >> And all of the the persons whom you requested statements from? All of the officers did give statements? >> No, chairman. >> And who in particular did not give witness statements? Corporal 251 Stannis. Corporal 256. >> 256. Stan is less and on my cover sheet\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Acting Corporal 59 Anthony, Acting Corporal 407 Johnson. >> Sorry. Acting Corporal 478 >> 478 Edwin. >> Edwin. >> Yes. Acting Corporal 59 Anthony, Acting Corporal 407\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-004356","part":1,"ordinal":44,"timestamp":"00:43:56","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":20314,"char_end":20621,"raw_text":"- **[00:43:56]** Johnson. I have since received statements from Sergeant 271 Diss, Acting Corporal 478 Edwin, Acting Corporal 59 Anthony. Police witness statement of acting corporal 407 Johnson is still outstanding. These are all of your documents. >> Yes, chairman. Did you at all receive a statement from\n","display_text":"Johnson. I have since received statements from Sergeant 271 Diss, Acting Corporal 478 Edwin, Acting Corporal 59 Anthony. Police witness statement of acting corporal 407 Johnson is still outstanding. These are all of your documents. >> Yes, chairman. Did you at all receive a statement from\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-004521","part":1,"ordinal":45,"timestamp":"00:45:21","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":20621,"char_end":21124,"raw_text":"- **[00:45:21]** is it Elias Nicholas? >> Mr. Elias Nicholas. >> Yes. >> No. I made attempts to record a statement from Mr. Elias Nicholas. Um, however, he was in um he was not in a condition based on his injuries to give one at the time. I have not received I have not received one as as of this current moment. >> Any subsequent attempts to to get one? I have not made a subsequent attempt. I will need you to take a look at I need you to take a look at what I have as the four pages of Ireneius Paul\n","display_text":"is it Elias Nicholas? >> Mr. Elias Nicholas. >> Yes. >> No. I made attempts to record a statement from Mr. Elias Nicholas. Um, however, he was in um he was not in a condition based on his injuries to give one at the time. I have not received I have not received one as as of this current moment. >> Any subsequent attempts to to get one? I have not made a subsequent attempt. I will need you to take a look at I need you to take a look at what I have as the four pages of Ireneius Paul\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So you wish\n","display_text":"Pascal's witness statement. >> Yes, sir. >> See if you can identify so that we can have it as part of the evidence put in by you. Yes, man. And just so that you know, I found it in the SLASPA's report. The report by the director of maritime affairs of SASPA contained all of the statements, including this one. That's how Yes, >> I shared um the statements with them upon their request. Yes, chairman. This is the contents of Irinius Pascal statement. So you wish\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Mhm. You can put it for couple. Give me the encourage. Whenever you're ready, you can >> coral guard. Good morning. >> Good morning, Mr. Frederick. Um just took note that we based on the circumstances provided um it would be would you agree that it would be important to have\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I think three vessels were used on separate occasions.\n","display_text":"with us a copy of the movement diary for the night in question at the marine unit. >> Yes, Mr. Frederick, I do agree. and additionally the vessels which were used the government vessels which were used to assist in the rescue and otherwise a copy of the the log for the evening. >> Yes, I do agree. >> What was the first document you mentioned? >> The movement diary, the station movement diary and the vessels log. I think three vessels were used on separate occasions.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So a copy of the the pages making reference to the accident and everything related to Thank you. Good morning, Coral God. >> Good morning, sir. With regards to the investigation into this matter and the completion of the investigation file, how far are you from completing this assignment >> in reference to time period or >> Okay. in in relation to other documents to be attached to the file. Um as would have been requested a while ago by\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-005035","part":1,"ordinal":50,"timestamp":"00:50:35","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":22981,"char_end":23504,"raw_text":"- **[00:50:35]** Commissioner Frederick. Um vehicle logs, station logs, other logs. These logs can be these logs can be procured um within a few days. Copies of it would not take very long to to procure these these logs and to attach it to the file. And in your estimation, how much longer would it take you as the investigator to have to bring this file to completion? To completion? It should take two weeks. It should take two weeks to to bring this file to completion. from your recollection, Corporal Guard, are there\n","display_text":"Commissioner Frederick. Um vehicle logs, station logs, other logs. These logs can be these logs can be procured um within a few days. Copies of it would not take very long to to procure these these logs and to attach it to the file. And in your estimation, how much longer would it take you as the investigator to have to bring this file to completion? To completion? It should take two weeks. It should take two weeks to to bring this file to completion. from your recollection, Corporal Guard, are there\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-005143","part":1,"ordinal":51,"timestamp":"00:51:43","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":23504,"char_end":23878,"raw_text":"- **[00:51:43]** any other civilian witnesses you intend to interview and record statements from? From my recollection, I actually recorded additional witness statements from Miss Taylor River and Mr. Rome William. I went to show to record these statements, but these statements have not been signed. and Miss Taylor Rivier who was a passenger on Kazula JR Mr. Rome William\n","display_text":"any other civilian witnesses you intend to interview and record statements from? From my recollection, I actually recorded additional witness statements from Miss Taylor River and Mr. Rome William. I went to Choiseul to record these statements, but these statements have not been signed. and Miss Taylor Rivier who was a passenger on Cazorla Jr. Mr. Romeon William\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1-V2-C008","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"I went to show to record these statements → I went to Choiseul to record these statements. 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And Mr. Elias Nicholas, this statement will be recorded granted that he has the time before the week ends. A witness statement should be obtained from Elas Nicholas. When you said when\n","display_text":"who was a passenger on Cazorla Jr. Rome William These statements were recorded on the 29th of the 7th, 2026. I was informed by the two parties that they were signed. I just have to go down to the south to collect the statements. And Mr. Elias Nicholas, this statement will be recorded granted that he has the time before the week ends. A witness statement should be obtained from Elas Nicholas. When you said when\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Mr. Chairman, I am I am minded to ask the investigating officer a particular question, but I think we'll be guided by you on it. Um, and it is in relation to his visit to and also that of the scenes of crime unit, their visits to the scene of the boating accident. Uh but I am now thinking whether we should wait because today's exercise is for him to simply tend a document. >> Um I was wondering whether we should wait when he gives his actual evidence\n","display_text":"you would expect that? >> Granted, if he has the time before the week the week ends. Mr. Chairman, I am I am minded to ask the investigating officer a particular question, but I think we'll be guided by you on it. Um, and it is in relation to his visit to and also that of the scenes of crime unit, their visits to the scene of the boating accident. Uh but I am now thinking whether we should wait because today's exercise is for him to simply tend a document. >> Um I was wondering whether we should wait when he gives his actual evidence\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-005509","part":1,"ordinal":54,"timestamp":"00:55:09","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":24865,"char_end":25409,"raw_text":"- **[00:55:09]** to take that approach. I'm guided by you. Um be the reason I'm saying so now is of course if it happened we have not yet received a report on the visit of that scene and it would be more of a precursor question to ensure that we have it as part of the completed file. >> Yeah. >> So I am guided by you. >> No I I your approach I think is the correct one. uh in terms of yes we uh we would need to hear from corporal guard again after everything is in uh right now his his role as you correctly pointed out is mainly to put the\n","display_text":"to take that approach. I'm guided by you. Um be the reason I'm saying so now is of course if it happened we have not yet received a report on the visit of that scene and it would be more of a precursor question to ensure that we have it as part of the completed file. >> Yeah. >> So I am guided by you. >> No I I your approach I think is the correct one. uh in terms of yes we uh we would need to hear from corporal guard again after everything is in uh right now his his role as you correctly pointed out is mainly to put the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So uh ACPD freighters in terms of having regard to that I leave it to you whether you think your question is more appropriate now or more appropriate upon the recall of >> of corporal guard. >> I I will ask it I will ask it in a particular manner that does not force\n","display_text":"documents in but in relation to to his in your investigation if I can uh speak to you directly in relation to your investigation all the the things you did and what whatever uh conclusions you you arrived that we would expect you back on the stand to give uh that evidence. So uh ACPD freighters in terms of having regard to that I leave it to you whether you think your question is more appropriate now or more appropriate upon the recall of >> of corporal guard. >> I I will ask it I will ask it in a particular manner that does not force\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Um, Corporal God, do we expect a report from the scenes of crime office of the Royal St. Lucia Police first regarding their visit to the scene of the boating accident, you can expect a report in regards to that. And also in my report I did make mention of myself going to the scene and visiting the scene >> and and that report we can expect within the two week time frame of your completed file. >> Yes. Yes sir.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-005713","part":1,"ordinal":57,"timestamp":"00:57:13","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":26444,"char_end":26928,"raw_text":"- **[00:57:13]** >> Thank you Corporal Guard. That's all for me Mr. Chairman. Yes. Thank you. Um ACPD morning cop um >> in your investigations have you met with the director of maritime of SASPA? >> Would that be Mr. um can you jog my memory on his name? I I I did um meet with him. Um I cannot recall his name now. >> I think it's Mr. Alexander. >> Mr. Alexander. Yes. I did have conversations with Miss Alexander on two on two occasions. >> Have you been able to review contents of\n","display_text":">> Thank you Corporal Guard. That's all for me Mr. Chairman. Yes. Thank you. Um ACPD morning cop um >> in your investigations have you met with the director of maritime of SASPA? >> Would that be Mr. um can you jog my memory on his name? I I I did um meet with him. Um I cannot recall his name now. >> I think it's Mr. Alexander. >> Mr. Alexander. Yes. I did have conversations with Miss Alexander on two on two occasions. >> Have you been able to review contents of\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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He provided me with a copy of the preliminary report. Have you seen the finalized report? >> No, I have not seen the finalized report. It was a prelim preliminary report that I I saw. That's why I did not make a mention of it in my in my file. >> Uh, one last question. Overall, what is the standard operating procedure in investigating a maritime incident? Do you wait on SLASPA or is there a joint approach?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-005841","part":1,"ordinal":59,"timestamp":"00:58:41","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":27415,"char_end":27931,"raw_text":"- **[00:58:41]** We don't wait on SASPA. However, the investigation is normally one of a joint one with Slasper and the Division of Maritime Affairs. We work in tandem to complete complete any one investigation. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome, sir. Um, Corporal Guard, just one slight question. Um, other than the the SOP, standard operating procedures, would you be aware of any other agencies that may or you you may have been you may have been in contact with, for example, the different department of fisheries\n","display_text":"We don't wait on SASPA. However, the investigation is normally one of a joint one with Slasper and the Division of Maritime Affairs. We work in tandem to complete complete any one investigation. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome, sir. Um, Corporal Guard, just one slight question. Um, other than the the SOP, standard operating procedures, would you be aware of any other agencies that may or you you may have been you may have been in contact with, for example, the different department of fisheries\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I think they hold a title of of ship ships >> surveyors.\n","display_text":"is under the Royal St. Luchia Police Force umbrella. We did work with them. We we worked well I worked closely with with Division of Maritime Affairs. In fact, two of their ship inspectors did visit the scene with me on a particular day. I made reference to it in my investigations diary. Um >> two of the officers you say of Slasper. >> Slasper. So Mr. >> Who officers as in maritime um ports police officers or >> No, not ports police officers. I think they hold a title of of ship ships >> surveyors.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Very well. >> Yeah. >> Um Mr. Peter Joseph and Mr. Wilbur ATN ATN um in in relation to division of fisheries. This this avenue was not exploited because the vessels were registered under the under division of maritime affairs. It had a SL SL registration number. But um would it be safe to say no contact as we speak from the time of the accident to now no contact with the maritime rescue coordinated center that\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-010148","part":1,"ordinal":63,"timestamp":"01:01:48","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":29384,"char_end":29857,"raw_text":"- **[01:01:48]** is MROCC? in relation to contacting MRCC that would not fall under my purview. >> Okay. >> Okay. Understood. Thank you. Mrs. Shalman Octav any questions from legal council just one Mr. Chair um Mr. AD did you take any statements at all from the two Slaspo officers which visited the sheep surveyors? >> Statements were requested from them and they have not provided it as yet but I will require these statements. >> Okay. So we could anticipate that these\n","display_text":"is MROCC? in relation to contacting MRCC that would not fall under my purview. >> Okay. >> Okay. Understood. Thank you. Mrs. Shalman Octav any questions from legal council just one Mr. Chair um Mr. AD did you take any statements at all from the two Slaspo officers which visited the sheep surveyors? >> Statements were requested from them and they have not provided it as yet but I will require these statements. >> Okay. So we could anticipate that these\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You >> go your This was very helpful. >> Sure. begging a pardon before you relieve corporal guard. I just want to place on record while he's still there that the commission has requested a number of those documents from the office of the commissioner. Um for the records, we have requested the missing pages of the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-010405","part":1,"ordinal":65,"timestamp":"01:04:05","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":30275,"char_end":30863,"raw_text":"- **[01:04:05]** witness statements from Ireina Pascal as well as the investigator's diary. We have also requested copies of the standard operating procedures of the police marine unit RSS and the MRCC. And for the record that means the maritime rescue coordination center in for the force. We have requested a copy of the movement diary for activities during the period of 18th of July to 23rd July pertinent to the maritime collision at Asco. We have requested copies of the ship's logs as well as boarding forms. These were supposed to have been submitted by Wednesday 7th October but\n","display_text":"witness statements from Ireina Pascal as well as the investigator's diary. We have also requested copies of the standard operating procedures of the police marine unit RSS and the MRCC. And for the record that means the maritime rescue coordination center in for the force. We have requested a copy of the movement diary for activities during the period of 18th of July to 23rd July pertinent to the maritime collision at Anse Cochon. We have requested copies of the ship's logs as well as boarding forms. These were supposed to have been submitted by Wednesday 7th October but\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C015","title":"Reading correction","text":"Asco → Anse Cochon. Explicit reference to the maritime collision location, repeatedly identified as Anse Cochon; not a district or an unrelated route landmark. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-010440","part":1,"ordinal":66,"timestamp":"01:04:40","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":30863,"char_end":31401,"raw_text":"- **[01:04:40]** we have not received any of those documents to date. I wanted to place that on record. >> Okay. Is there anything you wish to say on the statement by commission secretary >> in relation to the investigator's diary? I did receive a copy of that request and I provided another copy of the investigator's diary and as it pertains to Mr. Iranius Pascal statement when I read the request I noted that it said that the pages were numbered 48 and 48. So, I was of the opinion that it was a numbering error and not an error with\n","display_text":"we have not received any of those documents to date. I wanted to place that on record. >> Okay. Is there anything you wish to say on the statement by commission secretary >> in relation to the investigator's diary? I did receive a copy of that request and I provided another copy of the investigator's diary and as it pertains to Mr. Iranius Pascal statement when I read the request I noted that it said that the pages were numbered 48 and 48. So, I was of the opinion that it was a numbering error and not an error with\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-010520","part":1,"ordinal":67,"timestamp":"01:05:20","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"guard","char_start":31401,"char_end":31882,"raw_text":"- **[01:05:20]** the content of the of the of the um statement. Anything anything else? Yes. Well, um thank you Corporal Guard. you you can expect to hear from the commission further. Uh when most likely it would be when we have heard uh all of the witnesses, we would recall you as the investigating officer uh to to virtually have the last word at at least in relation to the police investigation of the matter. >> Okay, Mr. Chairman. >> Okay, thank you. We will have the uh the\n","display_text":"the content of the of the of the um statement. Anything anything else? Yes. Well, um thank you Corporal Guard. you you can expect to hear from the commission further. Uh when most likely it would be when we have heard uh all of the witnesses, we would recall you as the investigating officer uh to to virtually have the last word at at least in relation to the police investigation of the matter. >> Okay, Mr. Chairman. >> Okay, thank you. We will have the uh the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You may you may step down. >> Thank you, Corporal. You can step down. >> The next witness this morning, chair and commissioners, is Miss Roxan Bonapart. Yeah. Go ahead. Just come here. Just parts and bon part. do solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. >> Okay. >> Yes. Before Miss Bonapart commences her evidence, it would be appropriate if other witnesses uh would step outside of the chamber at this time. And just so that you\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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But before doing so, um\n","display_text":"understand, this would be usual court procedure. A witness giving evidence, another witness to be called later on to give evidence on the same subject matter. It is not considered appropriate for the witness to first hear what evidence somebody else is giving and then come and give evidence afterwards. So it is normal protocol that when one witness is giving evidence, any witness who has not already given evidence should step outside uh until that evidence is concluded. Once you have completed giving your evidence, you can stay throughout. But before doing so, um\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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It is, as I said, really Uh the two captains should be should probably state in that all of what happened directly concerned them and just like the the parties in in a court proceeding the parties would remain although the witnesses\n","display_text":"the the value of your evidence can be lessened by the fact that you heard the evidence of another witness on the same subject matter. I don't know if that's clearly understood. If anybody doesn't clearly understand, let me know. It is, as I said, really Uh the two captains should be should probably state in that all of what happened directly concerned them and just like the the parties in in a court proceeding the parties would remain although the witnesses\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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They can remain uh during the the testimony of the other witnesses. you identify the the two persons who have remained. >> Yeah. So these were the two persons who kept in the boat. Council, could you please identify yourself? I'm sorry I didn't hear your last words. >> Yes. And you are representing the uh Yes. Okay. And you do not have counsel in the matter.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-011019","part":1,"ordinal":72,"timestamp":"01:10:19","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":33915,"char_end":34457,"raw_text":"- **[01:10:19]** You're not represented by a lawyer. And is that you are okay with that proceeding without a lawyer in this matter? Because if you if you wanted to have a lawyer, you would be allowed to have a lawyer just as uh Mr. Nicholas has a lawyer, you are entitled to have a lawyer in the same way. So I am alerting you to that fact and it is for you to decide whether you are comfortable proceeding as is or whether you would require to be assisted by a lawyer uh throughout the remainder of these proceedings. So you wish to proceed\n","display_text":"You're not represented by a lawyer. And is that you are okay with that proceeding without a lawyer in this matter? Because if you if you wanted to have a lawyer, you would be allowed to have a lawyer just as uh Mr. Nicholas has a lawyer, you are entitled to have a lawyer in the same way. So I am alerting you to that fact and it is for you to decide whether you are comfortable proceeding as is or whether you would require to be assisted by a lawyer uh throughout the remainder of these proceedings. So you wish to proceed\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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And just to add one thing though, you are you are still entitled at a later\n","display_text":"yes without you engaging a lawyer in the matter. just need to be sure of that. That is your right. I'm not telling you you you must engage a lawyer. But I'm letting you know that you have a right to do so. And um and if you wish to do so, you would be accommodating through doing. But if you wish to proceed without a lawyer, then you are also entitled to do so. Is that clear? I begun. Very well. And just to add one thing though, you are you are still entitled at a later\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Yes.\n","display_text":"stage to decide I now want the lawyer. In other words, having said no now, it doesn't mean that you are bound by that answer throughout the remainder of the proceedings. If at any stage based on evidence given, statements made, you think it would best serve your interest to have legal representation, you are entitled to inform the the commission at that time through the the secretary of the commission, Miss Joseph. You are entitled to inform her that you now wish to have a lawyer to to assist you in this matter. Very well. Yes.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So Miss Bonapart if you can state your name, your address, your occupation. My name is Roxan Bonapat. I'm from Crestland Soufrière and I work at a at the call center as a call center representative. Where's the detail? In there. Where's the detail? Did you give a statement to the police? Uh before >> the moment is too too\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C016","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufre → Soufrière. Repeated phonetic transcription of Soufrière in the same departure, return, home-town or port-inspection context; place spelling only. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-011349","part":1,"ordinal":76,"timestamp":"01:13:49","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":35931,"char_end":36441,"raw_text":"- **[01:13:49]** >> uh before you you commence your evidence Mapart I I have been informed that one of the the witnesses who I addressed earlier on may have been more comfortable if I had addressed him in what is normally referred to as our mother tongue. And for the benefit of that witness and I trust all of us have sufficient familiarity with the cre language so that we can equally understand uh what what is being said. No, still repeat. Still repeated. Still repeated. comfort. Very. Yes, Miss Bonapad,\n","display_text":">> uh before you you commence your evidence Mapart I I have been informed that one of the the witnesses who I addressed earlier on may have been more comfortable if I had addressed him in what is normally referred to as our mother tongue. And for the benefit of that witness and I trust all of us have sufficient familiarity with the cre language so that we can equally understand uh what what is being said. No, still repeat. Still repeated. Still repeated. comfort. Very. Yes, Miss Bonapad,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-011513","part":1,"ordinal":77,"timestamp":"01:15:13","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":36441,"char_end":36831,"raw_text":"- **[01:15:13]** you have been shown a copy of the statement which you gave to the police on the 24th of July, 2026. >> Yes. >> And are you satisfied that what is in the statement accurately reflects what you did say to the police on the 24th of July? >> Yes. Do you wish to and you is this you satisfied that the statement is true and correct? >> Yes. >> Do you wish to add anything alter\n","display_text":"you have been shown a copy of the statement which you gave to the police on the 24th of July, 2026. >> Yes. >> And are you satisfied that what is in the statement accurately reflects what you did say to the police on the 24th of July? >> Yes. Do you wish to and you is this you satisfied that the statement is true and correct? >> Yes. >> Do you wish to add anything alter\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Miss Bangat uh in your statement to the police officer and that is on page three of\n","display_text":"anything uh from the statement that you have given and which you read again this morning? >> No. >> You do not wish to add anything to alter anything. you are uh satisfied that the statement represents the truth as you heard it as you saw it on the night of 18th July 2026 at Anse Cochon in the court of Anse La Raye. >> Yes. Very well. Yep. Miss Bangat uh in your statement to the police officer and that is on page three of\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C017","title":"Reading correction","text":"Asco → Anse Cochon. Explicit reference to the maritime collision location, repeatedly identified as Anse Cochon; not a district or an unrelated route landmark. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P1-C018","title":"Reading correction","text":"answering → Anse La Raye. Formal question repeats the collision bay followed by its quarter/district; correcting only the district name, leaving other wording intact. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-011647","part":1,"ordinal":79,"timestamp":"01:16:47","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":37264,"char_end":37723,"raw_text":"- **[01:16:47]** your statement. you said to the police. I noticed that no one on the boat was wearing life jackets. I told him that I don't know how to swim, so I need a life jacket. He replied to me that I am safe with him. >> You recall saying so to the police? >> Yes. Did you at any point during the trip see life jackets above that vessel? >> I cannot recall. And when you answer I cannot recall. Are you saying that you do not remember whether you saw\n","display_text":"your statement. you said to the police. I noticed that no one on the boat was wearing life jackets. I told him that I don't know how to swim, so I need a life jacket. He replied to me that I am safe with him. >> You recall saying so to the police? >> Yes. Did you at any point during the trip see life jackets above that vessel? >> I cannot recall. And when you answer I cannot recall. Are you saying that you do not remember whether you saw\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So I cannot\n","display_text":"or you did not see? Well, I can only remember I received one after the accident like while we were in the water but on the boat itself I cannot recall seeing any the question that ACP defraus asked you secondarily is important that whether you are saying that um that I may or may not have seen any but I do not now recall or whether you're you're saying that on the night in question you you saw uh various things but you do not recall that there were there were any life jackets? >> Yes, I saw various things. So I cannot\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Miss Bonapart, today you have said to\n","display_text":"recall that they were life jackets in my sight at the time while we were on the boat. Again, just to interpose um are you in a position to say though that I never saw anyone wearing a life jacket? >> Yes, I remember saying that. >> And that is the correct position. You >> you you there was nobody that you saw was wearing a life jacket on that night >> on the on the boat I was on. No, >> sorry to interpose, but that >> that is quite fine, Mr. Chairman. Miss Bonapart, today you have said to\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Are you in a position to tell this commission Who handed you the life jacket? >> No, I don't remember who Heat up here.\n","display_text":"the commission that you did not see life jackets on the vessel itself, but after the accident you got one while you were in the water. >> Yes. >> Do you know where that life jacket came from? >> Um, well, I cannot recall, but someone handed it to me. I don't remember who. Are you in a position to tell this commission Who handed you the life jacket? >> No, I don't remember who Heat up here.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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That's all for me for now, Mr. Ch. >> That's it. >> No, no, no, no. >> Morning, Mr. Bonapart. Um, on page two of your statement, you noted and I quote, I I read from your witness statement. Myself and my friends boarded the boat and we left Soufrière. Tyrone continued driving. He was driving at a moderate speed. After a minute of driving, Dylan told him that he would take over. He said that Tyrone does not\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C019","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufre → Soufrière. Repeated phonetic transcription of Soufrière in the same departure, return, home-town or port-inspection context; place spelling only. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-012216","part":1,"ordinal":84,"timestamp":"01:22:16","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":39634,"char_end":40164,"raw_text":"- **[01:22:16]** know how to push that boat and that he would show him how to do it. When Dylan took over, he started driving very fast. I asked him to stop so I could secure my phones in my bag, which I did. When he started back, he continued driving fast. So my question is, can you describe or recollect the speed at which he was going? What do you deem as fast? >> Well, fast would be that faster than the normal speed I know when I already bought that boat. >> So, I was just comparing it to other times I boughted the boat.\n","display_text":"know how to push that boat and that he would show him how to do it. When Dylan took over, he started driving very fast. I asked him to stop so I could secure my phones in my bag, which I did. When he started back, he continued driving fast. So my question is, can you describe or recollect the speed at which he was going? What do you deem as fast? >> Well, fast would be that faster than the normal speed I know when I already bought that boat. >> So, I was just comparing it to other times I boughted the boat.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-012256","part":1,"ordinal":85,"timestamp":"01:22:56","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":40164,"char_end":40675,"raw_text":"- **[01:22:56]** >> So, it was beyond the normal speed. >> Yeah. >> And could you describe for want of a better word the behavior of the boat during that speed? Well, it was going fast like to the point like the front of the boat was um like it was blocking my vision. So, I wouldn't be able to see the front like in front of the boat itself. >> When you say blocking your view, >> like being seated, you would not be able to see in front of what's coming in front of you. And do you recall where on the vessel\n","display_text":">> So, it was beyond the normal speed. >> Yeah. >> And could you describe for want of a better word the behavior of the boat during that speed? Well, it was going fast like to the point like the front of the boat was um like it was blocking my vision. So, I wouldn't be able to see the front like in front of the boat itself. >> When you say blocking your view, >> like being seated, you would not be able to see in front of what's coming in front of you. And do you recall where on the vessel\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You said the second row after the captain >> with the captain at the back and then the bench is in front. >> Oh, you're moving towards the bow. >> So from the back.\n","display_text":"you were seated at the time when the bow was blocking your vision? >> The second row after the captain. >> Yeah. >> The second row after the captain. Sorry to interpose. That's what you're saying. You were seated. >> Yes. Like the second bench. >> That's behind the captain. >> No, in front. You said the second row after the captain >> with the captain at the back and then the bench is in front. >> Oh, you're moving towards the bow. >> So from the back.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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And where were the other passengers located? >> Well, two were next to me. There were three on the bench at the back of me and two on the bench in front. >> Two on the bench in front of you? >> Yes. >> Do you recall what they were doing while the vessel was going at that speed?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-012441","part":1,"ordinal":88,"timestamp":"01:24:41","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":41547,"char_end":41975,"raw_text":"- **[01:24:41]** >> Seating. >> They were all seated. >> Yeah. At that moment, were you able to identify the person who was designated to to be the lookout on the vessel? >> Well, no. I did not at that time I did not know anything about the supposed to have a lookout. >> You do not recall or you just didn't it it did not matter to you? >> Well, it did not matter to me. One final question for me. When you boarded the vessel,\n","display_text":">> Seating. >> They were all seated. >> Yeah. At that moment, were you able to identify the person who was designated to to be the lookout on the vessel? >> Well, no. I did not at that time I did not know anything about the supposed to have a lookout. >> You do not recall or you just didn't it it did not matter to you? >> Well, it did not matter to me. One final question for me. When you boarded the vessel,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I put it in the bag, so I cannot recall.\n","display_text":"do you recall being given any safety briefings or instructions? >> No. >> None whatsoever from >> No. >> The captain. Thank you. That's all. Miss Bonapart, in your witness statement at page 2, you said that Dylan came to pick me up at my house in Crescent Lands a few minutes after 11:00 p.m. Um, do you recall the actual time that the boat left Soufrière? No, I cannot recall because I had the phone. I put it in the bag, so I cannot recall.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C020","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufare → Soufrière. Repeated phonetic transcription of Soufrière in the same departure, return, home-town or port-inspection context; place spelling only. 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"}]},{"id":"P1-012721","part":1,"ordinal":91,"timestamp":"01:27:21","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":42904,"char_end":43423,"raw_text":"- **[01:27:21]** see any other vessels or lights? >> All right. What? What did you answer? >> Immediately before the impact, did she see any other lights? >> What did she answer? >> She said no. Do you recall who gave you assistance after the accident? >> Um, are you asking about like who transported us from the water? >> Yes. So, what happened after the impact as per your memory? Um well while we were in the water we were screaming for help. We saw one boat pass but um they did not stop and then another came. So\n","display_text":"see any other vessels or lights? >> All right. What? What did you answer? >> Immediately before the impact, did she see any other lights? >> What did she answer? >> She said no. Do you recall who gave you assistance after the accident? >> Um, are you asking about like who transported us from the water? >> Yes. So, what happened after the impact as per your memory? Um well while we were in the water we were screaming for help. We saw one boat pass but um they did not stop and then another came. So\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-012806","part":1,"ordinal":92,"timestamp":"01:28:06","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":43423,"char_end":43942,"raw_text":"- **[01:28:06]** one of the guys had his phone so he started flashing the light and that's when he came and we noticed it was um a friend of us from Baron Drive. So then he we boarded the boat. He bring us down to Apart from observing whether or not there were life jackets on the boat and apart from being told of any instruction, safety instructions, did you observe any safety equipment on the boat? >> Well, I'm not sure what the safety equipment on a boat would be. So, I >> So, what did you observe like when you\n","display_text":"one of the guys had his phone so he started flashing the light and that's when he came and we noticed it was um a friend of us from Baron Drive. So then he we boarded the boat. He bring us down to Apart from observing whether or not there were life jackets on the boat and apart from being told of any instruction, safety instructions, did you observe any safety equipment on the boat? >> Well, I'm not sure what the safety equipment on a boat would be. So, I >> So, what did you observe like when you\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Apart from there being passengers on board, um, did you observe anything? >> No. Well, not that I was looking for anything else. These are all my questions. I I want to go back to a question that ACPD Freight has asked you about life jackets and and what you remember. In your statement to the police, you said, \"I noticed that no one on the boat was wearing a life jacket.\" This is not an I don't know. This is I noticed that no one was wearing a life jacket. So,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Is that something you will stand by that statement or is your evidence that I do not know where where there are anyone who is wearing a dive jacket because there's a difference between the two and I just want to make it clear that the record reflects what you are saying whether that is at the time what I saw no one was wearing a\n","display_text":"I'm a little unsure about your I do not know or or I think I do not remember. Yes, I think I do not remember is what you uh indicated. But in your statement you said you noticed that no one was wearing a life jacket. Is that something you will stand by that statement or is your evidence that I do not know where where there are anyone who is wearing a dive jacket because there's a difference between the two and I just want to make it clear that the record reflects what you are saying whether that is at the time what I saw no one was wearing a\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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What you can say as a fact is that no one on the boat that night was wearing a\n","display_text":"life jacket or whether it was I cannot recall whether anyone was wearing a life jacket that that is important and I think I think you need to think about it and let us know which one it is. >> Well, I noticed no one had life jackets, but he asked me if I saw life jackets on the boat. I said I cannot recall if they were on the boat itself, but I said I no one had life jackets on them. >> All right. So, your evidence is that you do not know, you cannot recall whether there were life jackets on the boat. What you can say as a fact is that no one on the boat that night was wearing a\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Good morning. on page two of your report and I quote what you gave to the police. I noticed the boat coming towards the dock. It was a white and red boat. You also stated that there were no lights on the boat. Is that correct? >> Yes. And you further stated that if there were, you would have seen it. >> Yes.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-013209","part":1,"ordinal":97,"timestamp":"01:32:09","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":46023,"char_end":46448,"raw_text":"- **[01:32:09]** >> What lights were you looking at? Any particular color? Any >> um but I from what I can recall it would be like a red and green or if it's a red and blue but it's supposed to have like two colors. >> Okay. Red and green usually red and green navigation. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Thank you. You further went to say on that same on the lower part of that statement in regard to the speed the boat was traveling.\n","display_text":">> What lights were you looking at? Any particular color? Any >> um but I from what I can recall it would be like a red and green or if it's a red and blue but it's supposed to have like two colors. >> Okay. Red and green usually red and green navigation. >> Yes. >> Right. >> Thank you. You further went to say on that same on the lower part of that statement in regard to the speed the boat was traveling.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So, the the current wasn't it wasn't calm.\n","display_text":"You heard someone said in creole take it easy which means the person would have said what >> okay thank you. And what happened then? Well, he continued >> the same speed. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, it leads us now to a very important part of your statement on page three. You said the sea was very rough. Is that correct? >> Well, it was the weather was a kind of we like it was raining previously. So, the the current wasn't it wasn't calm.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-013324","part":1,"ordinal":99,"timestamp":"01:33:24","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":46907,"char_end":47386,"raw_text":"- **[01:33:24]** >> Right. And you further stated that it was cloudy and dark and you could not see properly what was in front of you. >> Yeah, >> that is correct. So with that being said, we go down to the lower part of your statement where you said that this was the fastest you have ever been on a boat. Is that correct? >> On that boat? Yes. >> On that boat. And you stated further that the boat I want to read exactly what you said. While we were traveling on the boat, the\n","display_text":">> Right. And you further stated that it was cloudy and dark and you could not see properly what was in front of you. >> Yeah, >> that is correct. So with that being said, we go down to the lower part of your statement where you said that this was the fastest you have ever been on a boat. Is that correct? >> On that boat? Yes. >> On that boat. And you stated further that the boat I want to read exactly what you said. While we were traveling on the boat, the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So at the time of the impact\n","display_text":"boat kept flying out of the water. Can you explain that to us please? Um well with the speed um I would say that he was flying out of the water because I felt like we were bumping up and down on the seat and that's when I asked to stop so I could have put the phones away in the back and he gave me a coat because I tell him I was feeling cold. >> Okay. And shortly thereafter you all commence and you felt yourself in the water. >> Yeah, that's all I could have remembered. So at the time of the impact\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You have explained to us that the that the boat was traveling fast,\n","display_text":"would it be safe to say that the boat was traveling at that same speed in and out of the water? >> Um well from there I don't remember anything. I >> before before the impact before >> the last thing I remembered was after I said the thing about the life jacket from then I don't have any memory from since after I remember being in the water. >> Okay. I want to take you just before the being in the water. You have explained to us that the that the boat was traveling fast,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I don't I cannot recall it going left or\n","display_text":"it was rainy, the sea was slightly rough and visibility was poor, which means you could not have seen much in front of you. That's correct. >> Yes. >> Right. So, I would like you to guide us through whether or not the boat was traveling straight or it was in a zigzag motion or something. Give us a clear description of what happened just before the impact. Please. >> From what I recall, the boat was traveling straight. I don't I cannot recall it going left or\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Just straight. >> Straight. >> Yeah. with the speed and the visibility was poor and the next thing you remember you were in the water. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um were there any other vessel traveling in the same direction with you with your the vessel you are on board at the time? >> Not that I noticed. >> Just you all going up from Soufrière >> from what I can recall. Yes. >> Right. But you also stated that\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C021","title":"Reading correction","text":"so far → Soufrière. Local dialogue explicitly concerns the Soufrière departure/return or local port checks; correcting the place-name fragment only. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-013635","part":1,"ordinal":104,"timestamp":"01:36:35","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":49328,"char_end":49868,"raw_text":"- **[01:36:35]** immediately or shortly after the accident, a vessel passed. Was it in the same direction heading north or heading south? The one that did not see you. >> Um, south was heading to Suf. >> Sufi. Yeah, >> but it did not see you. How close did it pass to the >> Um, it wasn't that close, but it was a distance where we could have actually see that there were persons on board. Um, would it be from wall to wall of this room or a little further? >> Yeah, you could say from wall to wall >> from the front end to the back end of\n","display_text":"immediately or shortly after the accident, a vessel passed. Was it in the same direction heading north or heading south? The one that did not see you. >> Um, south was heading to Soufrière. >> Soufrière. Yeah, >> but it did not see you. How close did it pass to the >> Um, it wasn't that close, but it was a distance where we could have actually see that there were persons on board. Um, would it be from wall to wall of this room or a little further? >> Yeah, you could say from wall to wall >> from the front end to the back end of\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C022","title":"Reading correction","text":"Suf → Soufrière. Local dialogue explicitly concerns the Soufrière departure/return or local port checks; correcting the place-name fragment only. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P1-C023","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufi → Soufrière. Repeated phonetic transcription of Soufrière in the same departure, return, home-town or port-inspection context; place spelling only. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-013710","part":1,"ordinal":105,"timestamp":"01:37:10","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":49868,"char_end":50246,"raw_text":"- **[01:37:10]** it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That would have been roughly 15 m. 15 to 20 m roughly. Yeah. And um my other question to was how soon after or the best of your ability, how long after or how soon after the impact were you rescued out of the water? Well, it felt like hours, but I was told that it was only minutes. >> Minutes? >> Yeah, but I don't know how long. It felt\n","display_text":"it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That would have been roughly 15 m. 15 to 20 m roughly. Yeah. And um my other question to was how soon after or the best of your ability, how long after or how soon after the impact were you rescued out of the water? Well, it felt like hours, but I was told that it was only minutes. >> Minutes? >> Yeah, but I don't know how long. It felt\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-013803","part":1,"ordinal":106,"timestamp":"01:38:03","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":50246,"char_end":50626,"raw_text":"- **[01:38:03]** like hours to me. >> Okay, thank you. That's all for now. I want to go back to pre the pre-inccident conditions. Um, the crew you mentioned at the time that Tyrone was driving, correct? >> Yes. When we boarded, >> uh, what what was his behavior? Did he look tired? Was he under the influence? Was he alert while at the stern? How would you describe his behavior?\n","display_text":"like hours to me. >> Okay, thank you. That's all for now. I want to go back to pre the pre-inccident conditions. Um, the crew you mentioned at the time that Tyrone was driving, correct? >> Yes. When we boarded, >> uh, what what was his behavior? Did he look tired? Was he under the influence? Was he alert while at the stern? How would you describe his behavior?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Thank you. >> You you said that when you when you first saw the boat from the waterfront in Soufrière coming towards you with um with Dylan and and is it Tyran? with Dylan and Tyran on board. You said from then there were no lights on the boat. >> Yes. >> But you you and your friends nonetheless boarded the boat. >> Yes.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C024","title":"Reading correction","text":"Suare → Soufrière. Repeated phonetic transcription of Soufrière in the same departure, return, home-town or port-inspection context; place spelling only. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-013937","part":1,"ordinal":108,"timestamp":"01:39:37","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":51017,"char_end":51542,"raw_text":"- **[01:39:37]** Why did you feel it okay to board a boat at night to to drive from Suare to to Gro which did not have lights >> because it's not the first time that we traveled with Dan at night by boat >> without lights? >> No, it well it had light before. >> Yeah, but that's what I'm asking you. You you were about to board a boat to go from Sufra to Rosal. The boat didn't have lights and yet you and your friends boarded that boat unlit to head to to Gary. I'm just trying to understand what you you gave your evidence\n","display_text":"Why did you feel it okay to board a boat at night to to drive from Soufrière to to Gros Islet which did not have lights >> because it's not the first time that we traveled with Dan at night by boat >> without lights? >> No, it well it had light before. >> Yeah, but that's what I'm asking you. You you were about to board a boat to go from Soufrière to Gros Islet. The boat didn't have lights and yet you and your friends boarded that boat unlit to head to to Gros Islet. I'm just trying to understand what you you gave your evidence\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C025","title":"Reading correction","text":"Suare → Soufrière. 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Anything caused you to have behaved in that way?. User resolves destination and explicitly separates/punctuates the following question. "}]},{"id":"P1-014058","part":1,"ordinal":110,"timestamp":"01:40:58","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":52056,"char_end":52473,"raw_text":"- **[01:40:58]** voyage uh just before the impact you you again noticed that the boat had no lights or up to then the boats still had no lights. >> Yes, it had no lights. >> And you asked Dylan for a life jacket and he told you, \"No, don't worry. You're safe with me.\" >> Yes. And yet you continued on the boat with no lights, with no life jacket, speeding, cloudy, dark. Why? I don't know. 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Um, Miss Bonapart, just for our understanding, you said that you were holding on to the boat and after the impact, you realized that the piece of the vessel, the boat you were holding on to was no longer attached to the boat. That's after the impact. That's correct. >> Yes. >> What became of that that piece of Did you do anything with it? Did anybody take it from you? No, we were all holding on to it.\n","display_text":"destination. >> Very well. Yep. Um, Miss Bonapart, just for our understanding, you said that you were holding on to the boat and after the impact, you realized that the piece of the vessel, the boat you were holding on to was no longer attached to the boat. That's after the impact. That's correct. >> Yes. >> What became of that that piece of Did you do anything with it? Did anybody take it from you? No, we were all holding on to it.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So before the impact, what part of the boat were you holding on to? while I was seated on the left side of the boat. So, I was leaning onto the left side at the time. Um, I had my arms on the on the left side of the boat. So, I'm not sure if it was the same side that I was holding on to in the water. Okay. Any other questions? Miss Bonapat, again I want to take you back to page three of your statement and you made two particular statements in relation\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I could not have seen anything in front of me beside the\n","display_text":"to your ability to see ahead of you and and and one is it was also very cloudy and dark. I could not see properly in front of me. Lower down. So you attributing there your inability to see ahead of you was as a result of the weather conditions at the time. It was cloudy and dark. >> Yes. >> And lower down you say we were traveling so fast that the front of the boat was constantly in the air. I could not have seen anything in front of me beside the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Oh, because you seem to have jumped a bit and gone back to your ability to see. So, so tell us all in one statement what what all of what caused your inability to see ahead of you. tell us in one continuous statement. >> So on the date of giving my statement, I was asked to describe what the weather was like >> and that is why I said it was cloudy and\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-014508","part":1,"ordinal":116,"timestamp":"01:45:08","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":54852,"char_end":55386,"raw_text":"- **[01:45:08]** dark at the time which means I was not able to see everywhere clearly because I was asked to describe where exactly I was located at the time in the water. So I was informing the officer that I was not able to see clearly because of the weather condition. and he asked if I was able to see any oncoming vessel in front and I said no because since we were going fast the front part of the boat was um obstructing my view. >> Thank you very much Miss Bonov. That's that's all from me Mr. Chairman. I want to turn to to\n","display_text":"dark at the time which means I was not able to see everywhere clearly because I was asked to describe where exactly I was located at the time in the water. So I was informing the officer that I was not able to see clearly because of the weather condition. and he asked if I was able to see any oncoming vessel in front and I said no because since we were going fast the front part of the boat was um obstructing my view. >> Thank you very much Miss Bonov. That's that's all from me Mr. Chairman. I want to turn to to\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I mean, I suppose it's not your fault because there's no microphone. >> I was hoping that we would have had uh\n","display_text":"the other witnesses in particular the two witnesses who were told that they could remain if they wish. Miss Bonapart has given certain evidence that especially council is present on behalf of Mr. Nicholas, whether anything that Miss Bonapart has said in giving her evidence gives rise to issues that you would wish to clarify by questions to her Your voice is a little low. I mean, I suppose it's not your fault because there's no microphone. >> I was hoping that we would have had uh\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Closer to the >> Oh, come closer to the >> Yes. I was saying I was hoping that we would have had some rules from the commission as it relates to the proceedings because of course you as a question and I was a bit tentative as it relates to whether I should respond. >> You keep dropping your voice. Oh >> if I have difficulty hearing you I suspect nobody at the back is >> you're not hearing. >> Fair enough. Understood.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-014729","part":1,"ordinal":119,"timestamp":"01:47:29","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":56381,"char_end":56825,"raw_text":"- **[01:47:29]** >> Okay. >> The volume was low that's why. >> Okay. >> Yes. So chairman, I was saying um I was hoping um that I we would have had at least some rules in relation to the management of the proceedings and um hence the reason why I was a bit tentative um in whether I should be the one responding or the the witness. >> Well, he said you said you're representing. >> Yes, I am. I am. However, >> in the normal course of things, a\n","display_text":">> Okay. >> The volume was low that's why. >> Okay. >> Yes. So chairman, I was saying um I was hoping um that I we would have had at least some rules in relation to the management of the proceedings and um hence the reason why I was a bit tentative um in whether I should be the one responding or the the witness. >> Well, he said you said you're representing. >> Yes, I am. I am. However, >> in the normal course of things, a\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I just looked at the act and section 9 of the act specifically spoke to their rules and\n","display_text":"witness who is represented by a council, that council would be the one asking questions that that would be the normal course of things. And if there is a departure from that procedure, then one would expect that in that case, one had to be told. But the procedure that is being used is one that one would imagine that you're very familiar with. >> Um yes indeed I am. Um however it um it's an inquiry and I want to uh of course respect the the the management of the proceedings. I just looked at the act and section 9 of the act specifically spoke to their rules and\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So >> that's all I wanted to say. >> Yes. In the light of all that you have said and read, do you wish to ask any questions of the witness? >> No. My lord. evidence that may that may impact on the position of your client? >> No, no, no, Mr. Chairman. >> No, not at this point. >> Okay. And you say not at this point. Are you therefore asking to reserve your right at a later stage in the proceedings to ask questions of Miss Bonapart because we would need to give appropriate directions to Miss Bonapart\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Spooky. tell me otherwise, I will still say what\n","display_text":"in terms of whether she may be required at a later stage to return to give evidence and in particular to be questioned by by the by other witnesses or council representing them. >> We will not be requiring a Mr. Chairman. >> Very well. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> And and with that, I can take it that that Mr. Nicholas or his council uh do not require to question this one. >> You are correct, Mr. Chair. >> Thank you. Spooky. tell me otherwise, I will still say what\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You have a right at this stage to ask any questions of Miss Bonapart in relation to anything that she may have said which you have questions about concerning exactly what happened on that night. Okay. Okay. So, Messi. Okay. Very well. Uh, Miss Bonabat, any other? Yeah, >> I just have one more question. Um, when Dylan took over from Tyrone,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-015156","part":1,"ordinal":124,"timestamp":"01:51:56","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":58843,"char_end":59325,"raw_text":"- **[01:51:56]** where was Tyrone situated? Did you see him having any conversations with Dylan? Um, or was he seated? Did he sit on the boat after Dylan took over? >> He was seated on the bench in front of me. in front of you. >> Yeah. >> But you did not observe him having any discussions with Dylan or looking out into the water and telling him anything? >> No, I did not observe that. >> Okay, thanks. Yes, I noticed that there was a lady seated at the back, very well-dressed,\n","display_text":"where was Tyrone situated? Did you see him having any conversations with Dylan? Um, or was he seated? Did he sit on the boat after Dylan took over? >> He was seated on the bench in front of me. in front of you. >> Yeah. >> But you did not observe him having any discussions with Dylan or looking out into the water and telling him anything? >> No, I did not observe that. >> Okay, thanks. Yes, I noticed that there was a lady seated at the back, very well-dressed,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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And you were a witness from whom a statement was was taken? >> Yes. >> And was she a witness? Was she a passenger? She was a passenger. No, I am the mother of my favorite. Heat. Heat. Heat.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-015533","part":1,"ordinal":127,"timestamp":"01:55:33","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"bonapart","char_start":60223,"char_end":60786,"raw_text":"- **[01:55:33]** I've consulted with the other commissioners and the legal council and they you you were not present on the night that this transpired. So you are not in a position to give evidence as to >> No. >> No, no, no. Him, please. When I speak, you listen. when you speak, I'll listen. U you are not in a position to give evidence as to what transpired on that night, but you wish to ask a question that may concern the events of that night. It's just that I wanted to hear his response based on when you asked me whether he had any um thing to say about\n","display_text":"I've consulted with the other commissioners and the legal council and they you you were not present on the night that this transpired. So you are not in a position to give evidence as to >> No. >> No, no, no. Him, please. When I speak, you listen. when you speak, I'll listen. U you are not in a position to give evidence as to what transpired on that night, but you wish to ask a question that may concern the events of that night. It's just that I wanted to hear his response based on when you asked me whether he had any um thing to say about\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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It was put to both uh council and to to the the witness and it came out clearly that no qu it was not desired\n","display_text":"what had um stated but the lawyer had not permitted me or given me a chance to answer. So I wanted to hear his response. That's that's all I would ask. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Well, just to be clear, um he is represented by a lawyer or he is here present with a lawyer who who would consult with his client and determine uh from what his client says whether there any questions that his client wishes to ask. It was put to both uh council and to to the the witness and it came out clearly that no qu it was not desired\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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The all the\n","display_text":"for any questions to be asked either by or on behalf of Mr. Nicholas and that is as I indicated that is his right. He has a right to ask a question or he has a right not to ask a question. He has chosen to exercise the right not to ask the question. Yes. Okay. Um, any other questions for Miss Bonapart or Okay. >> Thank you, Miss Bonapart. You can step down. >> But just be aware of the fact you have concluded your evidence. The all the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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If anything that transpires in subsequent proceedings raises an issue on which you can assist the commission the commission then you may be recalled uh to do so and just to be clear I think I've said it already but I still want to emphasize particularly when I'm telling\n","display_text":"commissioners have asked you questions and the the secretary uh Mr. Mr. Pascal and Mr. Hippollet. Mr. Pascal and Mr. Hippollet have both declined the opportunity to ask you questions. However, be aware that the commission still reserves the the right to recall you. If anything that transpires in subsequent proceedings raises an issue on which you can assist the commission the commission then you may be recalled uh to do so and just to be clear I think I've said it already but I still want to emphasize particularly when I'm telling\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Okay. Thank you, Miss\n","display_text":"you that you may be recalled the purpose of questions to you is not to um cast any aspersions on anything you did or did not do that night. It is simply to put before the commission all of the relevant information that is available. So again, if you are recalled, do not think that that that somebody's picking on you or targeting you or anything. Your role is to assist the commission in terms of what transpired that evening. And we have no other objective other than to get from you the what you see, what you heard, what you experienced on that night. Okay. Thank you, Miss\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Um, chair, we we have two other witnesses from the Ocean Angel vessel. Um, however, council has indicated that bearing in mind his client's um medical situation that perhaps we can allow him to give his witness testimony. There's only one other person who was on that same vessel with him, which is Elias. And Elias is outside. So >> Elias is present. >> Yes. So I'm asking leave to allow um Dylan Nicholas to give his testimony bearing in mind his situation. He's not able to stay up upright for too long.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-015949","part":1,"ordinal":133,"timestamp":"01:59:49","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":63455,"char_end":63948,"raw_text":"- **[01:59:49]** >> Yes. I would want to hear from his lawyer. Um whether that is having consulted with your client whether that is your client's preferred position to give evidence now rather than to wait for anybody else including uh one of the persons who who was a passenger and who I believe is his cousin. um whether he he wishes despite all of that to give his evidence now rather than to wait uh for for Elas Nicholas or anybody else give >> Yes. Very well. very quickly. They say hi.\n","display_text":">> Yes. I would want to hear from his lawyer. Um whether that is having consulted with your client whether that is your client's preferred position to give evidence now rather than to wait for anybody else including uh one of the persons who who was a passenger and who I believe is his cousin. um whether he he wishes despite all of that to give his evidence now rather than to wait uh for for Elas Nicholas or anybody else give >> Yes. Very well. very quickly. They say hi.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-020111","part":1,"ordinal":134,"timestamp":"02:01:11","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":63948,"char_end":64345,"raw_text":"- **[02:01:11]** Hi, Dylan Nicholas. >> I am >> I Dylan Nicholas. >> I Dylan Nicholas >> do solemnly swear >> to tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth >> and nothing but the truth. >> So help me God. Help me God. True. Help me God. Can I push? It's not going forward. >> Good afternoon, chairman. Uh we will first you will give your evidence and um any one of the commissioners or the\n","display_text":"Hi, Dylan Nicholas. >> I am >> I Dylan Nicholas. >> I Dylan Nicholas >> do solemnly swear >> to tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth >> and nothing but the truth. >> So help me God. Help me God. True. Help me God. Can I push? It's not going forward. >> Good afternoon, chairman. Uh we will first you will give your evidence and um any one of the commissioners or the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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We are a commission of inquiry set up by the government, by the\n","display_text":"secretary of the commission legal council may ask you questions following your your own uh giving of your evidence. I want to make it clear to you that you you are here to assist the commission to indicate what you saw, what you heard, what you did on the night in question and anything arising from or resulting from that. Um, we are not concerned with any offense or offenses that you may or may not have committed. That is not our role. We are not the police. We are a commission of inquiry set up by the government, by the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Well, I have seen a statement which I'm told was given to you to to read before you uh before we started the proceedings this morning. Is that\n","display_text":"Angel books. Did you on the 8th of September 2026 give a statement to the police as to the incident which occurred on 18th July 2026? Did you give a statement to the police on the 8th of September? I did give a statement to the police. However, my memory does not serve me right as to the date cuz I've been short enough memory back and forth. >> Okay. Well, I have seen a statement which I'm told was given to you to to read before you uh before we started the proceedings this morning. Is that\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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The statement uh was taken by by Corporal 153 God and that statement was given by you on the 8th of September and certified by you as being true and correct. >> Yes, chairman. Are you standing by the truth and correctness of the statement that this represents what happened on that night to the best of your recollection? >> Yes, I am.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-020509","part":1,"ordinal":139,"timestamp":"02:05:09","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":66316,"char_end":66747,"raw_text":"- **[02:05:09]** >> Okay. Is there having read the statement is there anything you would wish to alter? Anything you would wish to change in the statement? Anything you would need to add to what you said to Corporal Guard? uh on the 6 on the 8th of September 2026. >> Not at this moment. >> You heard the evidence of Miss Roxan Bonapart uh given just a short while ago. >> Yes, Chairman. And I take it that nothing she said in her\n","display_text":">> Okay. Is there having read the statement is there anything you would wish to alter? Anything you would wish to change in the statement? Anything you would need to add to what you said to Corporal Guard? uh on the 6 on the 8th of September 2026. >> Not at this moment. >> You heard the evidence of Miss Roxan Bonapart uh given just a short while ago. >> Yes, Chairman. And I take it that nothing she said in her\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Uh either me or any of the commissioners or legal counsel to the the commission may at this time ask questions of you. Good afternoon, Mr. Nicholas. >> Good afternoon, Mr. DJ. >> How are you feeling? >> Good. >> Okay. So, I have a series of questions for\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-020707","part":1,"ordinal":141,"timestamp":"02:07:07","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":67153,"char_end":67575,"raw_text":"- **[02:07:07]** you. Um, I just wanted to start off with, um, how long have you been a boat captain? >> Um, over 10 years. >> 10 years. >> Yes. But acquire my license, which is my boat master's license. Uh I would say I'm not sure to require a date but I would say 3 4 years ago. And and what level boat license captain do you have? >> Grade two. And do you know the details of what grade two boat captain license allows\n","display_text":"you. Um, I just wanted to start off with, um, how long have you been a boat captain? >> Um, over 10 years. >> 10 years. >> Yes. But acquire my license, which is my boat master's license. Uh I would say I'm not sure to require a date but I would say 3 4 years ago. And and what level boat license captain do you have? >> Grade two. And do you know the details of what grade two boat captain license allows\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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One is not due to uh unwanted\n","display_text":"you to do? co as far as I know coastal waters co okay so so presently the vessel ocean angel am I correct in assuming that is part of a boat talk company >> that's correct >> and how many vessels does that boat talk company have >> there's four vessels actually um freezing operation. One is not due to uh unwanted\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-020840","part":1,"ordinal":143,"timestamp":"02:08:40","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":67907,"char_end":68322,"raw_text":"- **[02:08:40]** trough pass by in 2023 that caused the damage of one of the vessels. So according to your statement the on the night of this incident you were the sole captain of this vessel >> at the time of the incident. Yes. >> But but the entire evening were you the sole captain? >> No. Upon departing Sufre, uh Tyrone was the captain while I stood away LS and fenders and took over the helm at Ansmobile. So\n","display_text":"trough pass by in 2023 that caused the damage of one of the vessels. So according to your statement the on the night of this incident you were the sole captain of this vessel >> at the time of the incident. Yes. >> But but the entire evening were you the sole captain? >> No. Upon departing Soufrière, uh Tyrone was the captain while I stood away LS and fenders and took over the helm at Anse Mamin. So\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Can you describe the speed, direction, and the behavior of the vessel when you\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C034","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufra → Soufrière. Repeated phonetic transcription of Soufrière in the same departure, return, home-town or port-inspection context; place spelling only. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P1-C035","title":"Reading correction","text":"an SMAN → Anse Mamin. Repeated reference to the same Ocean Angel helm-transfer location north of Soufrière; phonetic variants recur in the handover discussion. 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Based on the weather report, the sea was a little choppy. >> Yes, >> visibility was poor. >> Visibility poor. I wouldn't say it was partly cloudy, but I wouldn't say visibility was poor. Given that it's not my first time,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-021133","part":1,"ordinal":147,"timestamp":"02:11:33","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":69568,"char_end":70000,"raw_text":"- **[02:11:33]** >> can you repeat that? I said given that it's not my first time traveling at night, I considered it's partly cloudy, but saying that visibility was poor on my take, I wouldn't say that. >> So, how was the visibility? >> It was moderate. >> Moderate. 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How are you doing? >> Good day, Mr. Kry. I'm good. Good. Um I believe it it is taken that you have a valid boat masters or captain license. >> Yes. >> So you would be familiar with the rules of the road or as we call the navigational rules, international rules\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-021325","part":1,"ordinal":149,"timestamp":"02:13:25","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":70400,"char_end":70759,"raw_text":"- **[02:13:25]** of the road. >> Yes. In which three factors are very important when it comes to operating a vessel and that would be safe speed, lookout and restricted visibility. >> Yes. Being a certified boat captain, would you agree that you would have taken everything into consideration, especially when it comes to rule number two? And rule number two\n","display_text":"of the road. >> Yes. In which three factors are very important when it comes to operating a vessel and that would be safe speed, lookout and restricted visibility. >> Yes. Being a certified boat captain, would you agree that you would have taken everything into consideration, especially when it comes to rule number two? And rule number two\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So would it be why\n","display_text":"would indicate that the owner, the captain, the master, the crew of a vessel shall take all necessary precaution and if necessary go outside of those international rules to avoid a collision. In taking that into consideration, of course, you would have to refer back to restricted visibility, how dark it was on the night or even if it is daytime, you may have haze, fog, snow. Otherwise, in St. Lucia, no snow and your lighting, your sea condition and all the lookout. So would it be why\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Did the lookout report seeing anything ahead of you prior to the accident? >> No. Nothing. Did you as a captain took any course? Cause meaning stabbed which is the right. >> Yes.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-021534","part":1,"ordinal":152,"timestamp":"02:15:34","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":71639,"char_end":72125,"raw_text":"- **[02:15:34]** >> Or port to the left any time prior minutes before the accident. Upon approaching when seeing that navigation light which is red and green, I alter course to my port side to my starboard side that starboard side. Sorry. >> You alter cost. You saw a red and green >> straight on my bow and altered cost onto my starboard side. >> Okay. Okay. So having seen that red and green, you saw it or your your lookout? >> I saw it. >> You saw it, but the lookout never saw it.\n","display_text":">> Or port to the left any time prior minutes before the accident. Upon approaching when seeing that navigation light which is red and green, I alter course to my port side to my starboard side that starboard side. Sorry. >> You alter cost. You saw a red and green >> straight on my bow and altered cost onto my starboard side. >> Okay. Okay. So having seen that red and green, you saw it or your your lookout? >> I saw it. >> You saw it, but the lookout never saw it.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So it is the responsibility of the lookout to report to the captain what he or she may see. Exactly. >> Especially the red and green which is the navigation lights. >> Yes. >> Right. If you saw a white light which means you would have been approaching a vessel from the stone. >> From the stern. That is correct. >> So your lookout never reported the red and green.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Half of the room.\n","display_text":">> No. >> You saw it yourself. >> I saw it myself. >> So it is correct according to the rules of the road international laws of the sea that you would have read stabbed which means you would have passed on the port side of the other vessel which is the red. >> That's correct. >> That is correct. How far from that vessel were you when you spotted the the red and green the nav lights? >> Just give an average the length of the room. Half of the room.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-021717","part":1,"ordinal":155,"timestamp":"02:17:17","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":73052,"char_end":73487,"raw_text":"- **[02:17:17]** >> No, no. Was further than that for >> it was further than the length of the room. >> Yeah. >> Um if you Mr. If I may go outside of this room, if we were on the street, would you say two poles length, three poles length, half a pole, utility pole? That is just give us a clear picture. Free pole's length. >> Free pole's length. That would have been okay. So we get that picture and free length. When you saw the red\n","display_text":">> No, no. Was further than that for >> it was further than the length of the room. >> Yeah. >> Um if you Mr. If I may go outside of this room, if we were on the street, would you say two poles length, three poles length, half a pole, utility pole? That is just give us a clear picture. Free pole's length. >> Free pole's length. That would have been okay. So we get that picture and free length. When you saw the red\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So, there was no communication between you and the lookout at that time? >> Absolutely not. >> No. And what speed were you traveling at at that time? >> It was anywhere between 3,000 to 5 3,000 to 4,500 RPM cuz I had to be adjusting speed. All depends on the waves that I approach.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So myself which is the captain, Tyrone\n","display_text":"So it would be safe to say that you were traveling at least 25 to 30 knots. >> Yeah, about that. >> More than that with a 200 horsepower. >> Yes. >> It would have given you an approximate 25 between 25 to 35 knots. >> That would be correct. >> Yeah. Okay. My other question to you is how many passengers were on your vessel at the time? >> It's nine passengers. So myself which is the captain, Tyrone\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-021907","part":1,"ordinal":158,"timestamp":"02:19:07","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":74306,"char_end":74723,"raw_text":"- **[02:19:07]** which is the first mate two and seven passengers. Tyrone was the cru seven passengers makes nine. >> Nine. >> Yes. So to the best of your judgment, you had nine passengers. Um just just guide us through minutes before the accident the impact that is. Um you've head to the right which is your stubborn side. >> Yes. >> When you saw the light. >> Yes. >> And then there was an impact. How long after?\n","display_text":"which is the first mate two and seven passengers. Tyrone was the cru seven passengers makes nine. >> Nine. >> Yes. So to the best of your judgment, you had nine passengers. Um just just guide us through minutes before the accident the impact that is. Um you've head to the right which is your stubborn side. >> Yes. >> When you saw the light. >> Yes. >> And then there was an impact. How long after?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Cuz it would give me 15 minutes to leave from where I took over the hem onto where I got into the accident due to the C condition. >> Sorry. >> Bigger pattern. what I said >> approximately 15 minutes cuz the time from Anse Mamin onto where I got into the collision that's the time frame it would take me\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C036","title":"Reading correction","text":"an SME → Anse Mamin. Repeated reference to the same Ocean Angel helm-transfer location north of Soufrière; phonetic variants recur in the handover discussion. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-022023","part":1,"ordinal":160,"timestamp":"02:20:23","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":75148,"char_end":75625,"raw_text":"- **[02:20:23]** to get to that spot giving fact in consideration of the sea conditions the sea condition okay were there any any other vessel in the vincinity in the area nearby by Can you hear me? >> Yes, just just my good. >> Okay, I can slow down because I know you're in in some pain. So, >> can you repeat yourself, please? >> Okay. Were there any any other vessel in the immediate area of the accident slightly before or just before or just after the the impact? >> No.\n","display_text":"to get to that spot giving fact in consideration of the sea conditions the sea condition okay were there any any other vessel in the vincinity in the area nearby by Can you hear me? >> Yes, just just my good. >> Okay, I can slow down because I know you're in in some pain. So, >> can you repeat yourself, please? >> Okay. Were there any any other vessel in the immediate area of the accident slightly before or just before or just after the the impact? >> No.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-022109","part":1,"ordinal":161,"timestamp":"02:21:09","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":75625,"char_end":76029,"raw_text":"- **[02:21:09]** to my law knowledge note. >> Um I will allow another commissioner too. I just need to >> No problem. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um, did you report to the lighthouse when you were leaving or your intention that evening? >> Not at all. >> Say again. >> Not at all. >> You did not. >> No, I didn't. 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So would it be safe to to say that based on the speed that you were traveling and the speed of your vessel that is >> the distance you saw the navigation lights of the approaching vessel. >> Yes. the course of action you took and the impact that there would have been some inconsistency because the distance traveled by the speed of your vessel and the time obviously in navigation terms which you would have done the course um at this time does not seems to be consistent.\n","display_text":"Okay. So would it be safe to to say that based on the speed that you were traveling and the speed of your vessel that is >> the distance you saw the navigation lights of the approaching vessel. >> Yes. the course of action you took and the impact that there would have been some inconsistency because the distance traveled by the speed of your vessel and the time obviously in navigation terms which you would have done the course um at this time does not seems to be consistent.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-022329","part":1,"ordinal":164,"timestamp":"02:23:29","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":77056,"char_end":77454,"raw_text":"- **[02:23:29]** >> Repeat that please. You gave an approximate distance of where you may have seen by night the um nav lights of the other vessel. The vessel approaching. Yes. The red and the green. >> Yes. >> Which you clearly identify you saw a navigation light coming. >> Yes. the speed at which you are traveling with a 200 horsepower approximately 4,000 if I'm correct to 4,5 >> no 3,500 RPM\n","display_text":">> Repeat that please. You gave an approximate distance of where you may have seen by night the um nav lights of the other vessel. The vessel approaching. Yes. The red and the green. >> Yes. >> Which you clearly identify you saw a navigation light coming. >> Yes. the speed at which you are traveling with a 200 horsepower approximately 4,000 if I'm correct to 4,5 >> no 3,500 RPM\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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If you divide the 75 ft by the 20 knots, it would not take you 15 minutes to get there. >> But\n","display_text":"least 25 to 35 based on your adjustments on speed depend on the wave. >> Yeah, depends on the wave, >> right? >> So three pools length um commissioners or Mr. Chair if you may guide me um on the streets would have been roughly about uh 60 to 75 ft away if I'm correct. 75 ft away. If you divide the 75 ft by the 20 knots, it would not take you 15 minutes to get there. >> But\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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How far off the land, the mass of land were you during that accident? >> Traveling, sorry. Before the accident, how far off shore? >> Between two to 300 ft around there. >> Two to 300 ft from the shore. >> From the shore. >> Shoreline. So the the the other question I I would like to some clarification on. Do you know what side of your vessel came into contact with the other vessel? It would be my my starboard cuz when when I realized\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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And that was my memory served me right on my starboard side cuz I clearly see my fenders and everything was in that side. >> So you you are saying that the the other vessel would have hit you on your stubborn side. >> Yes. >> But would you be surprised that the to know if I may, Mr. Chair, would you be surprised to know that the impact based on both vessels would indicate that your\n","display_text":"when I saw the light the first time, the second time I saw the light was when it was on top of my vessel already. And that was my memory served me right on my starboard side cuz I clearly see my fenders and everything was in that side. >> So you you are saying that the the other vessel would have hit you on your stubborn side. >> Yes. >> But would you be surprised that the to know if I may, Mr. Chair, would you be surprised to know that the impact based on both vessels would indicate that your\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I haven't seen the vessel, so I wouldn't know. But as I said, if my memory served me right from the direction when I saw the light, it could have so it was on my starboard side. So in layman terms for those persons who are trying to figure out the navigation language that we are speaking your vessel got hit on the left side and the other vessel the right side is damaged. So which clearly indicate it was not a head-on collision but rather a crossing. >> It wasn't\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-023005","part":1,"ordinal":174,"timestamp":"02:30:05","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":81701,"char_end":82210,"raw_text":"- **[02:30:05]** >> crossing what? I believe it wasn't a head-on collision. I pictured it at four five degree angle across. >> Yes. So you would have navigation terms. You would have a crossing situation resulting in a collision. If you go in across each other, you see my red or green, we violate the laws. So we have a crossing situation. A head-on collision is where the you have >> both bowels together. >> Bow almost together. >> Yeah. Or if you have an overtaking situation where you may hit each other\n","display_text":">> crossing what? I believe it wasn't a head-on collision. I pictured it at four five degree angle across. >> Yes. So you would have navigation terms. You would have a crossing situation resulting in a collision. If you go in across each other, you see my red or green, we violate the laws. So we have a crossing situation. A head-on collision is where the you have >> both bowels together. >> Bow almost together. >> Yeah. Or if you have an overtaking situation where you may hit each other\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-023039","part":1,"ordinal":175,"timestamp":"02:30:39","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":82210,"char_end":82615,"raw_text":"- **[02:30:39]** sideways or if you are going a stern which you the the the stern or the back of your vessel where the engine is attached would run into. So these are the four scenarios. >> Yes. >> In maritime accident. So clearly we go back and I want to take you step by step. I can slow down if you wish, but navigation wise, if the law permits you to do any deviation and I can read into that so that\n","display_text":"sideways or if you are going a stern which you the the the stern or the back of your vessel where the engine is attached would run into. So these are the four scenarios. >> Yes. >> In maritime accident. So clearly we go back and I want to take you step by step. I can slow down if you wish, but navigation wise, if the law permits you to do any deviation and I can read into that so that\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You would have fed\n","display_text":"we are clear as to what happened the the night and the rules would have indicated that you will take any measure too. You shall not me but you shall take any measure to avoid a collision. But the only exception to those rules is where immediate danger is present which means you will veer which means you should have v to your port side sharply to your port side because of the close proximity. It would not have allow you enough time or sufficient time to ve starboard side under ordinary circumstances. You would have fed\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So I that's how I normally\n","display_text":"sharply to your port side and that vessel would have passed clearly of your starboard side resulting in no accident. >> Yes. >> So the picture >> I said yes. So the course of action, it would be safe to say that the course of action you took based on your judgment resulted in the accident. >> I wouldn't say that because upon me taking that action, I'm not sure if the other driver is looking uh if they're have a good lookout or if they're keeping track of their surroundings. So I that's how I normally\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Life jackets were on there.\n","display_text":"ste my boat, right? I don't wait until it gets to a point where it has to go to a collision and someone has to give way. So from especially during the night from time I would see the light from my judgment I would give way and not wait until I get close. >> So did you or did you not have any navigation light on? >> I had prior to the accident everything was accounted for. I said everything was accounted for. >> Vessel was seworthy. Navigation lights were on there. Safety equipments were on there. Life jackets were on there.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So it is clear that you did not\n","display_text":">> On the vessel or on the individuals on the passengers and >> passengers had no life vessel. >> They had no life jackets. >> No. But you have a responsibility as a boat captain, especially in times of foul weather, restricted visibility. Um, and if you have a lot of vessels in the area, for example, in St. Lucia, what we call a heavy tourist day, yeah, >> a boat rides and all of that, you have a responsibility to ensure that everybody have a life jacket on in the event of a mishap. So it is clear that you did not\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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In >> fact, you think no one had a life jacket on? >> Yeah, no one had a life jacket on the boat. >> But you had life jackets on board enough? >> Yes, there was 14 life jackets on board. >> Did you have a life jacket on you? >> On me? >> Yes. >> No.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-023430","part":1,"ordinal":181,"timestamp":"02:34:30","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":85115,"char_end":85619,"raw_text":"- **[02:34:30]** >> As the captain? No. >> Did you have any other safety equipment as required by the >> As I mentioned a while ago, everything was accounted for. I had life jackets, VHF radio, first aid kit, everything that you need prior to your inspection was on that vessel on that day. >> Just a quick question. So you you had life jackets on and other safety equipment. >> Yes. >> But you did not do a safety briefing on the vessel or to your best knowledge yes or no there was no safety briefing.\n","display_text":">> As the captain? No. >> Did you have any other safety equipment as required by the >> As I mentioned a while ago, everything was accounted for. I had life jackets, VHF radio, first aid kit, everything that you need prior to your inspection was on that vessel on that day. >> Just a quick question. So you you had life jackets on and other safety equipment. >> Yes. >> But you did not do a safety briefing on the vessel or to your best knowledge yes or no there was no safety briefing.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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To my best knowledge as I said when on the boat apart from leaving there with Tyrone at the stern there was at the him there was no safety briefing. So as the captain >> upon me taking on there was also no safety briefing. >> So as a captain you had life jackets, you had all safety equipment. >> Yes. >> Is there a reason why there was no safety briefing? >> No, I wouldn't say there's a reason why there was not.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I'm asking you whether that's something you would normally do before leaving port with with passengers on >> Yeah. >> Is that something you would normally do?\n","display_text":">> What was that? >> Is that something you would normally do? >> Big Madden. >> Is that something you would normally do? Do a safety briefing before you leave uh port with with passengers? Yeah, I would say that I don't do it that much. >> I'm not asking you whether it's something you think you should do. I'm asking you whether that's something you would normally do before leaving port with with passengers on >> Yeah. >> Is that something you would normally do?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Any particular reason why that's something you should have done? You had all of the equipment on board, but you you chose not to do it? Well, I would not say it's because of me not being at the M cuz even as a crew member, I would have to do it. So, no, there is no reason why I would say that. >> Sorry, I can't. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Nicholas. Good afternoon\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-023656","part":1,"ordinal":185,"timestamp":"02:36:56","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":87009,"char_end":87522,"raw_text":"- **[02:36:56]** >> and let me thank you for availing yourself to be of assistance to to the commission. Uh I am going to ask you some questions and I need you to understand the questions before you answer. One, at the time of the accident, was your vessel fitted with navigation lights? >> Yes, it was. >> Were these lights operational? Yes. >> And at the time of the accident, were these lights on? >> At the time of the accident? Yes. >> Or during the journey leading up to the accident, were these lights on?\n","display_text":">> and let me thank you for availing yourself to be of assistance to to the commission. Uh I am going to ask you some questions and I need you to understand the questions before you answer. One, at the time of the accident, was your vessel fitted with navigation lights? >> Yes, it was. >> Were these lights operational? Yes. >> And at the time of the accident, were these lights on? >> At the time of the accident? Yes. >> Or during the journey leading up to the accident, were these lights on?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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When I took over the lights was on Before ACP, the phrases continues. You heard Miss Bonapart say that the lights were not on. I heard she say, but as I said to you, allow me to speak. Can I go ahead? >> Yes, go ahead. >> So, as I said to you, she said that cuz apart as I I stated earlier upon me get we getting on the boat and leaving Soufrière, he was at the him there were no lights. The lights were not turned on apart from we leaving port. So,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C038","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufra → Soufrière. Repeated phonetic transcription of Soufrière in the same departure, return, home-town or port-inspection context; place spelling only. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-023825","part":1,"ordinal":187,"timestamp":"02:38:25","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":88005,"char_end":88513,"raw_text":"- **[02:38:25]** >> so you're saying when you left port on that night, the lights were not on. >> Navigation light was not on at that time. >> So, at what at what stage did they get? >> I think when I took over to him, I turned on the navigation light switch. >> So, you're saying during the period that the boat was being driven by um is it Tyron Port? 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Only then you turned the lights on. >> Yeah. >> But you were >> cuz it was not on at all at time cuz after I took this after I took the him, I could have seen it cuz my still light is not on obviously. But you would have been aware before you turned them on. You would have been aware that they were not on >> before I turned them on. If I would have been aware >> that they were not on. >> Yeah. Yeah.\n","display_text":"Kyan Paul. Only then you turned the lights on. >> Yeah. >> But you were >> cuz it was not on at all at time cuz after I took this after I took the him, I could have seen it cuz my still light is not on obviously. But you would have been aware before you turned them on. You would have been aware that they were not on >> before I turned them on. If I would have been aware >> that they were not on. >> Yeah. Yeah.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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And you didn't bother to do anything about it until you took over control of the board. >> Yes. >> You have testified earlier that the vessel was equipped with life jackets. >> Yes.\n","display_text":">> But you as the the owner of the boat and and you you were aware of the fact that the boat was being driven late at night without the lights on, without navigation lights on >> in that moment. Yes, I was awake. And you didn't bother to do anything about it until you took over control of the board. >> Yes. >> You have testified earlier that the vessel was equipped with life jackets. >> Yes.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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How many? >> If my memory serves me right, it was one at that time cuz that's the only person I saw was Roxson shouting for help and saying that she cannot swim and I provided her with that life vest.\n","display_text":">> How many life jackets you say? >> 14. in your statement to the police. Before I ask you that on on that night after the collision, how many life jackets were deployed? How many did you use? How many did you issue to to victims to persons involved in the accident out of the 14? How many? >> If my memory serves me right, it was one at that time cuz that's the only person I saw was Roxson shouting for help and saying that she cannot swim and I provided her with that life vest.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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How long after the impact did you get that life jacket to Miss Roxan Bunn after? >> How many minutes? >> Um 5 minutes for the most I would say. >> 5 minutes at most. Yeah,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-024202","part":1,"ordinal":192,"timestamp":"02:42:02","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":90209,"char_end":90663,"raw_text":"- **[02:42:02]** >> that's upon me. That's upon me floating back onto the top of the water. Me getting up to the top of the water. >> Good. So, you estimate about 5 minutes you would have gotten a life jacket to Miss Bonapat. >> Yes. >> What became? So, you're now accounting for yourself and Miss Bonapat. That's two. What became of the other seven passengers on that boat? >> Upon that, I was in the water seeing where I could find persons or anything\n","display_text":">> that's upon me. That's upon me floating back onto the top of the water. Me getting up to the top of the water. >> Good. So, you estimate about 5 minutes you would have gotten a life jacket to Miss Bonapat. >> Yes. >> What became? So, you're now accounting for yourself and Miss Bonapat. That's two. What became of the other seven passengers on that boat? >> Upon that, I was in the water seeing where I could find persons or anything\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Then I phoned\n","display_text":"and she was the only one that I saw at that moment and I heard asking for help at that moment. >> Why would you not have seen other persons? I wouldn't know. To your recollection, was there any rescue vessel near the scene prior or before giving Miss Bonapad the life jacket? It's after I given her the life jacket, I made a few calls which I called Marine Police. after issuing another life jacket. Then I phoned\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So at that time live vest is not to say the live vest will attach to the boat. live vest who\n","display_text":"um down back in Soufrière to let them know I was involving an accident and I went back into the water in search of other passengers. I left my phone with the other captain of uh the other vessel. Would it not have been prudent to deploy as many of the life jackets as were available at that time? It was a fight flight mode honestly, you know. So me not seeing anyone else in the water and me cuz the boat actually cut in half. So at that time live vest is not to say the live vest will attach to the boat. live vest who\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C041","title":"Reading correction","text":"Suare → Soufrière. 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So I took the life vest and hand it over to her. >> Did you say that the life jackets were floating on the water? >> Yeah, cuz the bow section where the life jackets is stored. The boat was cut into half and all that was opened up. So live vest were floating up on the water. >> Okay. But you would have said to the police in your statement. You would have said to the police in your statement that um\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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But why would you have to go back\n","display_text":"when you heard Miss Bonapart's call for assistance pardon, >> you would have said to the police in your statement that when you heard Miss Bonapat screaming, >> Yeah. >> she was asking you for a life jacket. She told me she could not swim. >> Yes. >> I went back under the water and retrieved the life jacket from the boat which was over overturned at the time. >> Yes, the boat was overturned. >> Good. But why would you have to go back\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So, I I don't even know cuz at the time I give this statement, it was also very frustrating and demanding cuz many questions were asked to me times in many different ways after being 4 hours in an investigation. given the fact of my injuries and stuff as I explained to you. >> Are you saying your statement there were\n","display_text":"into the overturned boat for a life jacket if the life jackets were floating on the water? This was this was my statement at that time. You know, honestly speaking, I had some injuries. So, I I don't even know cuz at the time I give this statement, it was also very frustrating and demanding cuz many questions were asked to me times in many different ways after being 4 hours in an investigation. given the fact of my injuries and stuff as I explained to you. >> Are you saying your statement there were\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I'm trying to understand your last >> I would say I may have not still be in the right state of mind when giving the statement >> but >> cuz I did make that >> being now in the right state of mind because you've given your evidence very very clearly given now in the you're in the right state of mind and you saw the\n","display_text":"incorrect uh statements you made? >> Pardon? >> Are you saying there were incorrect statements contained in that statement which you gave to the police? I'm trying to understand your last >> I would say I may have not still be in the right state of mind when giving the statement >> but >> cuz I did make that >> being now in the right state of mind because you've given your evidence very very clearly given now in the you're in the right state of mind and you saw the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Yeah. >> And I asked you whether there was anything you wish to correct or to add and you said no. But you're now suggesting that there were incorrect statements made there. >> I'm not saying there were incorrect statements being made. What I'm saying is that I may have not been in the right state of mind at that time. So given that >> because you were not in the correct state of mind at the time, are you saying that you said things which may\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-024703","part":1,"ordinal":200,"timestamp":"02:47:03","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":94084,"char_end":94477,"raw_text":"- **[02:47:03]** not necessarily have been correct? I'm just trying to understand. >> Yeah. Precisely. Yes. >> But you had the opportunity today to correct that. >> Yes. Precisely. >> And you declined to do so. >> Precisely. Yes. >> Thank you, Mr. Nicholas. >> You're welcome. >> Uh, I want to go back to the safety equipment. Yeah. >> Did you have any flare guns in that list? >> Flare guns?\n","display_text":"not necessarily have been correct? I'm just trying to understand. >> Yeah. Precisely. Yes. >> But you had the opportunity today to correct that. >> Yes. Precisely. >> And you declined to do so. >> Precisely. Yes. >> Thank you, Mr. Nicholas. >> You're welcome. >> Uh, I want to go back to the safety equipment. Yeah. >> Did you have any flare guns in that list? >> Flare guns?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Handheld flare? >> Why didn't you deploy >> thing you did have them? >> Yes, I did have handheld flare. >> Yeah. >> Oh, handheld flare. Okay. >> Why didn't you deploy a flare right after the impact? I had no access to the hand flare cuz all that was stored in the cabin of the vessel. >> Along with the life jackets. >> Yes. >> And a moment ago, you said while you were in the water,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Water resistance I would say.\n","display_text":"you reached out to the marine police. >> Yes. >> That's while you were swimming, accessing the life jackets, and calling the marine police at the same time. >> Yes. Can you just think about what you're saying yes to? You were on the phone in the water diving for the life jackets and also >> not diving for the life jackets. The live I was getting the life jacket from the water. My phone is waterproof. Water resistance I would say.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-024849","part":1,"ordinal":203,"timestamp":"02:48:49","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":95354,"char_end":95811,"raw_text":"- **[02:48:49]** So I phone them. I have the phone in one hands and I'm retrieving the life jacket because at that time that's the only help I could receive. >> So as a captain with a level two license. >> Yeah. >> If you recall your training, what training did you get specific to the deploying of players? Madam, >> do you recall your training as a captain that you received when you got your permit to apply license? >> No, I don't recall. >> Excuse me.\n","display_text":"So I phone them. I have the phone in one hands and I'm retrieving the life jacket because at that time that's the only help I could receive. >> So as a captain with a level two license. >> Yeah. >> If you recall your training, what training did you get specific to the deploying of players? Madam, >> do you recall your training as a captain that you received when you got your permit to apply license? >> No, I don't recall. >> Excuse me.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Thank you. Yeah. A a few things. Um, Mr. Nicholas, you said that your your navigation lights, you turned them on when you took over control of the boat from from Tyrant Falls. >> Yes. >> Did you hear Miss Bonapart say that she did not that the lights were not on and that if they were on she would have seen them? >> I didn't. When she said that prior to her statement? Yeah, she said that in her statement and she said it and she\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-025012","part":1,"ordinal":205,"timestamp":"02:50:12","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":96309,"char_end":96809,"raw_text":"- **[02:50:12]** said it today. >> Okay. But how? Um, yes, she said that. However, sitting in the boat, you won't be able to see as a passenger the navigation light to the front. >> Do you know that other people also said so that night that your board? >> There were lots of allegations that night. So, I was not bothered with what was being said. So why would everybody be telling lies about you? >> They get padded. >> Why would everybody be lying adversely to you that saying that you didn't have\n","display_text":"said it today. >> Okay. But how? Um, yes, she said that. However, sitting in the boat, you won't be able to see as a passenger the navigation light to the front. >> Do you know that other people also said so that night that your board? >> There were lots of allegations that night. So, I was not bothered with what was being said. So why would everybody be telling lies about you? >> They get padded. >> Why would everybody be lying adversely to you that saying that you didn't have\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Anything to anybody that caused them to want to tell lies about you? >> I'm not by the persons that happened. I'm not liked by many and it was all about a pair of friends. >> But Roxan was your friend. Roxan. Roxan came to you as a friend asking you your assistance for to get somebody to take her back and you said, \"No, go with y'all.\" >> It was It was an opinion. She said she didn't see light from the dock. >> No, she didn't say it was an opinion. She said\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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That is at the time that the the\n","display_text":">> that's an opinion for me. >> She said if the lights were on, she would have seen them. And that's >> that's from the dock. She said from the dock. Cuz I listened carefully. You said upon she getting on the boat from the dock. She said if the lights were on, she would have seen them upon getting on the boat from the dock. She said at the time, she's talking now about the time of the collision. She said at the time I could not have seen any lights on the boat. If the lights were on I would have been able to see it. That is at the time that the the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So she's clearly saying that at the time there were no lights on the\n","display_text":"collision took place. She was the other thing she was saying then she um she asked you for the life jacket because she could said she couldn't swim. You replied that you were safe. she was safe with you and that she said at that time I could not have seen any lights on the boat. If the lights were on I would have been able to see them. We were traveling fast at the front of the boat was constantly in the air and so on and so on and so on down to the the crash and the and what transpired thereafter. So she's clearly saying that at the time there were no lights on the\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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She said she could not have seen any lights and she says if the lights were on I would have been able to see them. Translated that means there were no lights on the boat. >> No, she said if there were lights on the boat she would have seen them right. >> Yes. >> How would she be able to detect that if my bow light you would have seen my bow light cuz speaking from >> that was a question you should have asked her when you said you were not asking me. It's still an opinion cuz she said at the time.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-025357","part":1,"ordinal":210,"timestamp":"02:53:57","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":99011,"char_end":99475,"raw_text":"- **[02:53:57]** >> Yeah. No, no, no. She said there are two occasions when she saw no lights. One was when the boat left >> coming in. Yeah. >> She said at that time there were no life. Yes. >> And she's also saying at the time of the collision, >> she did not see any lights. And if that there were lights, she would have seen them. >> At the time of the collision, right? Meaning that's when the collision occurred, right? >> No. Well, just before it occurred.\n","display_text":">> Yeah. No, no, no. She said there are two occasions when she saw no lights. One was when the boat left >> coming in. Yeah. >> She said at that time there were no life. Yes. >> And she's also saying at the time of the collision, >> she did not see any lights. And if that there were lights, she would have seen them. >> At the time of the collision, right? Meaning that's when the collision occurred, right? >> No. Well, just before it occurred.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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But now you are saying that the things she said were not correct or that\n","display_text":">> Just before it occurred. That's what I'm saying. She would still have to be able to detect my bow light, which from where she was sitting, she would not see my bow light. >> My My problem with your answer there, Mr. Nicholas, is that she said these things seated right where you are now. >> Yes. >> I asked you whether there were there was anything you wanted to ask her, anything about what she said that you wanted to to raise a question about, and you said no. But now you are saying that the things she said were not correct or that\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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That was for her to tell you,\n","display_text":"she said that there were no lies but she could not see whether there were lies or not. The concern is that is precisely why you were given an opportunity to ask any question of her. If she's saying something that you know is not correct and which can affect you or which impacts on what you have said, that is the whole purpose of your having an opportunity to ask her a question. So I'm a little I'm a little confused as to why you you virtually want to ask me the question. Why is it how could she have seen if so and so? That was for her to tell you,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Just a minute to do so or you wanted a longer time to do? >> Just one minute. >> Very well. Proceed. There's a very little Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. You wish to continue now? >> Yeah. You wish to you ready to continue? Okay. >> Yes. So you you were going to answer my question in terms of um\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-025838","part":1,"ordinal":214,"timestamp":"02:58:38","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":101029,"char_end":101606,"raw_text":"- **[02:58:38]** in terms of she said you saying certain things. Miss Bonapart said things which are different and on a very crucial issue as to whether there were lights on the boat at the time or just before the collision. She said that you had the opportunity to ask her questions about that you did not. And now you are saying well no she she couldn't tell or where she was seated something or the bow something like that that why it is she may have said what she said which you had an opportunity to question her about. now asking you to give some explanation as to this.\n","display_text":"in terms of she said you saying certain things. Miss Bonapart said things which are different and on a very crucial issue as to whether there were lights on the boat at the time or just before the collision. She said that you had the opportunity to ask her questions about that you did not. And now you are saying well no she she couldn't tell or where she was seated something or the bow something like that that why it is she may have said what she said which you had an opportunity to question her about. now asking you to give some explanation as to this.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I\n","display_text":">> Well, to be honest, I came I honestly came here to be truthful as I go ahead with my oath, right? It's nothing but the truth that I'm saying. I understand whoever would give statements or whatsoever. I'm not saying that what someone might have saw is not true cuz that's what they saw, right? So I'm not going to deny what they saw, but within me myself and what I knew and the necessary actions that I took, I knew that my light was on. I knew I was up to date. So if that's what she said, that's her take on it. I\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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She said I saw no lights and if there were lights I would have seen\n","display_text":"won't defend that. >> But you agree that both of you cannot be right. It's either the lights were on or the lights were not on. That if said the lights were not on and you say the lights were on. I mean somebody has to be speaking an untruth or has to be saying something incorrect. It is not possible for both of you all to be right. As you said from the time you took over the boat you turned on the lights. She said that up to you know she's leading up to when the accident happened. She said I saw no lights and if there were lights I would have seen\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You are saying one thing, Miss Bonapart is saying something\n","display_text":"them. So both of you cannot be right. Now I'm if I I'm not asking you to to let's put it that way to incriminate yourself. And if you have any reason why you you do not you believe that answer can can incriminate you and I'm sure your lawyer would explain if you require then you are not let me then you are not you can be free to say well you do not wish to answer any particular question because the answer to which may be uh prejuditial to you. I'm saying you have that right, but as long as you don't exercise that right. You are saying one thing, Miss Bonapart is saying something\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You had the opportunity to ask her questions about what she said, which you're now saying are incorrect. You you chose not to do so. And I'm just asking you to explain explain that to the commission. >> As I said, I'm being truthful with you. right to Mr. Chairman, my lights were on at that time. At the time she said she didn't see the light, then okay, that's what she didn't see at that time. But within me, my lights were on and that's what I would stick with. >> Um, did you did you consume any substance\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I'm talking\n","display_text":"apart from maybe water and juice before that trip? into your question but you let me do it. >> I don't consume. >> You can disengage your mic anytime you're talking to your lawyer. I don't want to hear what's conversations. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> No, I didn't. >> You didn't have anything to drink. >> I had a coffee and a water. That's it. Didn't you have two cocktails at least >> before I get here? >> No, no, no. Sorry, sorry. I'm talking\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So I\n","display_text":"about the before you the trip on the boat. >> Oh, I'm not hearing you clearly, so that's what I was saying. >> Yeah. No, no, no. I'm asking you prior to taking over the boat, prior to driving the boat on that night, did you have did you consume any >> I was at dinner and I had two cocktails at dinner. just for my um non-rinker benefit. I don't What? When you say two cocktails, what do you mean? I I don't have any. So I\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Still um\n","display_text":">> It was kind of a Shandi like stuff, you know. >> I see. >> Yeah. >> Nothing that should cause you not to know whether your lights are on or not. >> No, no, not at all. I'm not a heavy drinker. It was only reason why I had two cocktail. I was there with some repeated clients at dinner. I had one cocktail prior to be having my dinner and one after, but that's it. Sorry. Still um\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I won't deny that.\n","display_text":"you were in answer to a question from I believe the question came from Mr. Frederick that um you said you were I'm not I'm not sure whether it's Mr. Frederick or Mr. Leas but you said you were aware that you should have been in touch with the lighthouse in terms of that you were leaving that where you were going and so on that you were required to be in touch with the lighthouse on that >> truthfully Mr. the chairman. Yes, cuz that's required. I won't deny that.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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And you're you're using you're making contact or not making contact with the lighthouse? >> No. Why did you just by the way why did you have 14 um life jackets? Isn't the maximum capacity of your boat 12? >> I always keep extra. >> You always keep extras. >> Yeah. >> So you have your full compliment plus extra but you use none. >> Make a pattern. You had your full\n","display_text":"maritime unit, the uh maritime division at Port Authority? Any you have ever been questioned about that? And you're you're using you're making contact or not making contact with the lighthouse? >> No. Why did you just by the way why did you have 14 um life jackets? Isn't the maximum capacity of your boat 12? >> I always keep extra. >> You always keep extras. >> Yeah. >> So you have your full compliment plus extra but you use none. >> Make a pattern. You had your full\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So, you're not assisted or by the the presence of navigation lights in terms of being able to see an oncoming vessel with or without navigation lights on that oncoming vessel, you would see you would see it heading in your direction. >> Yes. And would you would you say that you would see it a sufficient distance away to allow you to ve away from it? >> Make a pattern.\n","display_text":">> You would have still been able to see it? >> Yes, I would. >> Okay. So, you're not assisted or by the the presence of navigation lights in terms of being able to see an oncoming vessel with or without navigation lights on that oncoming vessel, you would see you would see it heading in your direction. >> Yes. And would you would you say that you would see it a sufficient distance away to allow you to ve away from it? >> Make a pattern.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Same\n","display_text":">> Would you say that you would have seen it a sufficient distance away between where you were and when you saw it? You'd have seen it a sufficient distance away to have enabled you to avoid a collision with it. >> Yes. >> But you were not a you did not do so that night. You were not able that night to avoid a collision even though you said you saw the the light. >> Yeah, I saw the light and I gave way which I was supposed to cuz remember I said earlier on I don't wait till it's going to happen from a distance. Same\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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The boat was not going up and down and and in the water as was said by at least one of the witness. >> When you mean up and down means any vessel you're driving underwater in\n","display_text":"way it would be if I like when I see a fishing boat there without any lights, I would give way long before I even get close to it. The minute I see it, I'll give way already. Are you are you saying are you maintaining that you were not driving at an excessive speed that that night? >> No, I was not driving at excessive speed. The boat was not going up and down and and in the water as was said by at least one of the witness. >> When you mean up and down means any vessel you're driving underwater in\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I don't feel comfortable if anyone else if not my brothers taking over my him to re go that distance. >> But is that the reason you gave for for taking over the boys?\n","display_text":"these small vessels you and you will find it going I would not say up and down but when it rides the waves and goes down that's normal in the water that's normal. Did you Why did you take over control of the boat from Tyrant? >> Cuz I'm bear the captain license and I'm the one who always runs my boat during the night. I don't feel comfortable if anyone else if not my brothers taking over my him to re go that distance. >> But is that the reason you gave for for taking over the boys?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Tyran did not You said that Tyran did not know how to push the boat. Remember saying that? >> Said that to whom? to Tyron uh that you did not you you don't know how to push the boat. >> No, I don't remember. >> You didn't say that?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-031035","part":1,"ordinal":233,"timestamp":"03:10:35","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":110460,"char_end":110897,"raw_text":"- **[03:10:35]** >> No, I didn't. I don't remember. >> Would you say that when Tyrone was driving the boat, he was at a moderate speed? >> Same speed as me. Okay. >> Which is moderate or not? Nobody said that. >> Yes. I I asked you whether Taran was driving at a moderate speed. You said same speed as you. >> Yeah. >> Does that mean it was a moderate speed or for me >> not a moderate speed? >> Pardon? Does that mean it was a moderate\n","display_text":">> No, I didn't. I don't remember. >> Would you say that when Tyrone was driving the boat, he was at a moderate speed? >> Same speed as me. Okay. >> Which is moderate or not? Nobody said that. >> Yes. I I asked you whether Taran was driving at a moderate speed. You said same speed as you. >> Yeah. >> Does that mean it was a moderate speed or for me >> not a moderate speed? >> Pardon? Does that mean it was a moderate\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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It's moderate speed. >> Did Roxan ask you to slow down? >> No. No one asked me to. >> No one asked you to slow down. Yeah. Um I have two small excerpts I want to read to you very short which you would be familiar with and I have three questions I would ask after having\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-031225","part":1,"ordinal":235,"timestamp":"03:12:25","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":111278,"char_end":111672,"raw_text":"- **[03:12:25]** you been a boat captain or you have obtained a legal boat captain Captain license. >> Yes. >> The law require that the lights, navigational lights on a vessel be displayed from sunset to sunrise. Not a particular time, but as soon as the sun begin to disappear and until it surface the following day or whatever time after. So that is one. Second to that I want to take you to\n","display_text":"you been a boat captain or you have obtained a legal boat captain Captain license. >> Yes. >> The law require that the lights, navigational lights on a vessel be displayed from sunset to sunrise. Not a particular time, but as soon as the sun begin to disappear and until it surface the following day or whatever time after. So that is one. Second to that I want to take you to\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So the question I now put to you is one You indicated to\n","display_text":"lookout which indicates that every vessel must obtain a constant lookout by sound by sight and by hearing at all and all other available means to evaluate the solution the situation and the risk of a collision that is a requirement of law. And thirdly, safe speed. Every vessel shall shall, which means there's no exception to it, always travel at a safe speed so that it can take a proper action to stop to avoid a collision or to ver to avoid a collision. So the question I now put to you is one You indicated to\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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At the time you ate because I would have asked you whether or not you ate or you drunk anything that would have impaired your judgment and you said no. >> Yes. >> Okay. So the question the second question is that you insist that it was dark and your lights were on and Miss Roxan could not have seen your lights or did not. So I am saying to you in restricted a bit restricted visibility if it is very dark\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You indicated sorry that the the the lighthouse you occasionally do do call the lighthouse calls but also\n","display_text":"based on what you would have learned and the navigation rules except if it was raining excessively you would still see the reflection of the red and green over the surface of the water. You cannot avoid that. >> You would see it. >> So Mr. Roxson would have been in a position to say that she saw reflection red or green based on where she was sitting. And thirdly, that the this commission could always indicate. You indicated sorry that the the the lighthouse you occasionally do do call the lighthouse calls but also\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So let us go through the lighthouse for the the configuration of\n","display_text":"this commission can indicate from the log which is kept at the lighthouse whether or not you have ever made a call in terms of your transit. Yes, remember I said I do make calls upon me leaving Port Castries but I rarely do calls upon leaving port Soufrière. So you could also verify with the port house with um the lighthouse as to whether that vessel or me particularly make calls to them a port upon leaving Port Castries or at any port at any time. >> Right. So let us go through the lighthouse for the the configuration of\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C054","title":"Reading correction","text":"podcast trees → Port Castries. Repeated contrast between routine calls when leaving Port Castries with cruise passengers and calls when leaving Soufrière. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P1-C055","title":"Reading correction","text":"surfer → Soufrière. Repeated Port Castries / Soufrière lighthouse-call contrast; preserving the existing word port. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P1-C056","title":"Reading correction","text":"portries → Port Castries. Repeated contrast between routine calls when leaving Port Castries with cruise passengers and calls when leaving Soufrière. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-031614","part":1,"ordinal":240,"timestamp":"03:16:14","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":113767,"char_end":114276,"raw_text":"- **[03:16:14]** your vessel. Where on your vessel are your nav lights located? Were they located where? >> To the to the very edge of the bow. >> To the edge of the bow. >> Yeah. So it's round. So it's mounted right kind of in the midsection to the edge >> to the midsection. So my barrel is typically like that. So the nav light is mounted right at the edge there >> on the two sides of it. >> Yeah. Right at the edge. It's typically like that. Right at the edge. >> Okay. And that part of the boat is what\n","display_text":"your vessel. Where on your vessel are your nav lights located? Were they located where? >> To the to the very edge of the bow. >> To the edge of the bow. >> Yeah. So it's round. So it's mounted right kind of in the midsection to the edge >> to the midsection. So my barrel is typically like that. So the nav light is mounted right at the edge there >> on the two sides of it. >> Yeah. Right at the edge. It's typically like that. Right at the edge. >> Okay. And that part of the boat is what\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So I am still I am still in the same vein asking or saying to you that the passengers on the vessel >> Yes. >> during that trip they would have seen if there were any lights based on the dark of the night and the reflection of the water they would have seen. Any response to Mr. Frederick? I'm >> not. >> Yes. Any response m Mr. Frederick is\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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In fact, navigational rules would dictate that those lights are visible up to 3 miles, three nautical miles.\n","display_text":"asking you whether based on all of what you said that day a passenger on the the the boat would have seen if there were navigation lights on. >> Well, if you know about the water, yes, you would. >> No. >> But if you're unfamiliar, >> no. I I am still saying to you, >> yeah, >> the darker the night, the brighter the lights. In fact, navigational rules would dictate that those lights are visible up to 3 miles, three nautical miles.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So if you at um just put it off hes abai and the person is atosha >> you would be able to see >> you would be able to see it give an approximate distance right >> so I am yet to understand how you were 200 ft away from a vessel >> not away from the vessel I said I'm two to 300 ft away from the shorine >> from the shore from the shoreline\n","display_text":"So, somebody being 3 mi away from you would have seen your navigation lights. >> 3 miles away from me, facing my bow. >> Your bow. >> Exactly. So if you at um just put it off Hess, Buckeye, and the person is Anse Cochon >> you would be able to see >> you would be able to see it give an approximate distance right >> so I am yet to understand how you were 200 ft away from a vessel >> not away from the vessel I said I'm two to 300 ft away from the shorine >> from the shore from the shoreline\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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The response omits at before Anse Cochon; do not silently insert it."}]},{"id":"P1-031842","part":1,"ordinal":244,"timestamp":"03:18:42","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":115618,"char_end":116084,"raw_text":"- **[03:18:42]** So you had never given a distance. You were away from the vessel when you saw the time that you saw the light. I thought you did that. >> You said >> No, I >> you said free pose length. >> Yeah, just free pose length >> which is approximate to the same >> 300 ft. >> Okay, we take 300 ft because by night the judgment might be slightly different. Okay. So I am still saying to you that time, speed, distance, these are the navigation fac navigation\n","display_text":"So you had never given a distance. You were away from the vessel when you saw the time that you saw the light. I thought you did that. >> You said >> No, I >> you said free pose length. >> Yeah, just free pose length >> which is approximate to the same >> 300 ft. >> Okay, we take 300 ft because by night the judgment might be slightly different. Okay. So I am still saying to you that time, speed, distance, these are the navigation fac navigation\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-031911","part":1,"ordinal":245,"timestamp":"03:19:11","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":116084,"char_end":116583,"raw_text":"- **[03:19:11]** factors to determine what happened. So the 300 ft if you divide it by the 25 knots you were traveling, it would give you approximate 5 minutes or less to react. And the last question I wanted to ask you out of that, what prompted you to put on your lights just ahead of the impact? Was there any reason that you felt you need to put your lights on ahead of the impact? As I said earlier on, when I got to the hymn, my stone light wasn't on. So automatically, I know that my live my\n","display_text":"factors to determine what happened. So the 300 ft if you divide it by the 25 knots you were traveling, it would give you approximate 5 minutes or less to react. And the last question I wanted to ask you out of that, what prompted you to put on your lights just ahead of the impact? Was there any reason that you felt you need to put your lights on ahead of the impact? As I said earlier on, when I got to the hymn, my stone light wasn't on. So automatically, I know that my live my\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So that's the reason why I turned it on. >> Your love lights was >> upon me taking this him my stern light cuz I I'm to the back right. I'm able to see my stern light. So I realized it was not on. So here's the reason why I turned the switch on. >> How long before the impact? I'm trying to get this. >> No, no. I I said earlier on when I took the hem from Tyrone, I turned on my light. >> It's not directly before the impact. I turn me\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-032024","part":1,"ordinal":247,"timestamp":"03:20:24","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":117056,"char_end":117621,"raw_text":"- **[03:20:24]** >> how long? Give me an approximate time. >> Like I said earlier on, as I said, the same distance I'll take from answer me to one's question would be in 15 minutes. So yeah, about 15 minutes there. >> No, but we have established that based on the speed you gave to this commission that the mass is inaccurate. >> Yeah, I totally understand. I totally understand. And there are other factors which I believe commissioner DD would have asked you in a minute to indicate that it it's just not adding up sir. So what we're trying to do is to establish\n","display_text":">> how long? Give me an approximate time. >> Like I said earlier on, as I said, the same distance I'll take from Anse Mamin to Anse Cochon would be in 15 minutes. So yeah, about 15 minutes there. >> No, but we have established that based on the speed you gave to this commission that the mass is inaccurate. >> Yeah, I totally understand. I totally understand. And there are other factors which I believe commissioner DD would have asked you in a minute to indicate that it it's just not adding up sir. So what we're trying to do is to establish\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C057","title":"Reading correction","text":"answer me → Anse Mamin. Captain restates his claimed 15-minute interval from the helm-transfer location to the collision bay; correcting the repeated departure landmark only. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P1-C058","title":"Reading correction","text":"one's question → Anse Cochon. Captain repeats the same helm-transfer-to-collision route and interval described earlier; correcting the collision-bay name only. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-032057","part":1,"ordinal":248,"timestamp":"03:20:57","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":117621,"char_end":117973,"raw_text":"- **[03:20:57]** a straight line. So from leaving the port you admitted leaving portra which is a port of call >> that your lights were off. You admitted. >> Yes. You admitted taking over from the other person. >> Yes. >> Right. You admitted that the sea was choppy. >> Yes. >> You also admitted that the visibility was you were was poor. >> Moderate.\n","display_text":"a straight line. So from leaving the port you admitted leaving port Soufrière which is a port of call >> that your lights were off. You admitted. >> Yes. You admitted taking over from the other person. >> Yes. >> Right. You admitted that the sea was choppy. >> Yes. >> You also admitted that the visibility was you were was poor. >> Moderate.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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And to the layman on the on out there, they can simply divide the the time you travel, the speed you travel by the distance you travel, and the time. And if I must put it closer to you, the distance from Supre to the point of the accident by the speed that you were traveling still give another picture which we have\n","display_text":"We we understand that. But we are putting a picture together where the time, the distance traveled and the speed is not adding up. And you are a boat captain. And I think it would be clear the language that we speak. And to the layman on the on out there, they can simply divide the the time you travel, the speed you travel by the distance you travel, and the time. And if I must put it closer to you, the distance from Soufrière to the point of the accident by the speed that you were traveling still give another picture which we have\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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It would not have taken it would not take much time >> like 5 minutes 10 minutes >> pardon >> like you maybe I should ask >> I to Mr. Kenji I totally understand >> just a minute in terms of clarifying from him whether you say it would take 5 minutes or 10 minutes. >> Yes. So what I need you to give us on um\n","display_text":"not even delve in which means you would have taken no time from Soufrière to the point of the accident. We can calculate that it is very easy from the time you departed Soufrière to the time of the accident. It would not have taken it would not take much time >> like 5 minutes 10 minutes >> pardon >> like you maybe I should ask >> I to Mr. Kenji I totally understand >> just a minute in terms of clarifying from him whether you say it would take 5 minutes or 10 minutes. >> Yes. So what I need you to give us on um\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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What I need you to give us a clear indication how long you think you took from Sufre Port Sufre where you left your final departure from Port Sufre to the point in which the impact give us a clear indication of how much time you took from that call it point A to point B. with C condition 20 minutes that's what I'll say that's my recollection of it >> so then again\n","display_text":"may I counel? >> Yeah yeah yeah. >> Thank you. What I need you to give us a clear indication how long you think you took from Soufrière Port Soufrière where you left your final departure from Port Soufrière to the point in which the impact give us a clear indication of how much time you took from that call it point A to point B. with C condition 20 minutes that's what I'll say that's my recollection of it >> so then again\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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"},{"id":"D1-V2-C020","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"no the distance from it is not moving suan as no they're not moving there's two → no the distance from, it is not moving, Soufrière and Anse Cochon, they're not moving there's two. User reconstructs the phrase identifying the two stationary places; collapse pasted double spaces, preserve surrounding source turn markers. "}]},{"id":"P1-032404","part":1,"ordinal":253,"timestamp":"03:24:04","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":119929,"char_end":120342,"raw_text":"- **[03:24:04]** >> two two points of land that remain forever distance from su again >> I don't know the distance from su >> no an approximate distance just >> I don't know >> you say 5 miles 10 miles >> I don't know >> you didn't know then No, I'm saying in fairness to you. You saying I don't know. I don't. >> Okay. So, if we calculate the distance from Sufre to Aosa, the point of the accident, and you took\n","display_text":">> two two points of land that remain forever unless if there’s an earthquake, distance from, >> say again >> I don't know the distance from Soufrière to Anse Cochon >> no an approximate distance just >> I don't know >> you say 5 miles 10 miles >> I don't know >> you didn't know then No, I'm saying in fairness to you. You saying I don't know. I don't. >> Okay. So, if we calculate the distance from Soufrière to Anse Cochon, the point of the accident, and you took\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C067","title":"Reading correction","text":"su → Soufrière. 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No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1-V2-C021","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"two two points of land that remain forever distance from Soufrière again >> I don't know the distance from Soufrière >> no an approximate distance → two two points of land that remain forever unless if there’s an earthquake, distance from, >> say again >> I don't know the distance from Soufrière to Anse Cochon >> no an approximate distance. User adds earthquake phrase, supplies say again as a separate turn, and completes distance endpoint. This is a user-supplied reconstruction beyond place-name correction, not independently audio-verified here. Preserve full word distance from source; copied response ends distanc… only because review context was truncated. Adds substantive words and one >> separator at user direction; this is explicitly exempt from prior baseline assumption of unchanged speaker separators. No speaker identity is inferred."}]},{"id":"P1-032432","part":1,"ordinal":254,"timestamp":"03:24:32","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":120342,"char_end":120742,"raw_text":"- **[03:24:32]** it say 15 minutes, council >> 20 >> 20 minutes. >> Yeah. >> So, 20 minutes. If you divide the distance from Suare to Aos at 20 minutes, which means you were making much more. is simple maths which means you were pushing that vessel above the 4,000 RPMs. It's simple to calculate. It would have been way above the speed that you're indicating to take that that amount of time. >> No.\n","display_text":"it say 15 minutes, council >> 20 >> 20 minutes. >> Yeah. >> So, 20 minutes. If you divide the distance from Soufrière to Anse Cochon at 20 minutes, which means you were making much more. is simple maths which means you were pushing that vessel above the 4,000 RPMs. It's simple to calculate. It would have been way above the speed that you're indicating to take that that amount of time. >> No.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C071","title":"Reading correction","text":"Suare → Soufrière. Repeated phonetic transcription of Soufrière in the same departure, return, home-town or port-inspection context; place spelling only. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P1-C072","title":"Reading correction","text":"Aos → Anse Cochon. Explicit reference to the maritime collision location, repeatedly identified as Anse Cochon; not a district or an unrelated route landmark. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-032508","part":1,"ordinal":255,"timestamp":"03:25:08","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":120742,"char_end":121115,"raw_text":"- **[03:25:08]** To me, no. I'm not denying the fact that whatever you said I do understand but to me no. >> Yes. I just have a few questions regarding your certificate of inspection. >> Yes. On your certificate of inspection, there's one listed for minimum crew, and that's Graham Matthew. >> Yes. >> I take it the night in question, Graham Matthew was not on the vessel.\n","display_text":"To me, no. I'm not denying the fact that whatever you said I do understand but to me no. >> Yes. I just have a few questions regarding your certificate of inspection. >> Yes. On your certificate of inspection, there's one listed for minimum crew, and that's Graham Matthew. >> Yes. >> I take it the night in question, Graham Matthew was not on the vessel.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-032549","part":1,"ordinal":256,"timestamp":"03:25:49","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":121115,"char_end":121540,"raw_text":"- **[03:25:49]** >> No. >> But are you aware underneath that name on your certificate, it says, \"The manning of this vessel shall not change regardless of the passengers on board.\" >> No, I'm not aware. You know what that means? >> No. >> Again, you are familiar with your certificate of inspection from Slasper. >> Yes. >> On the certificate, it has listed minimum certified crew and it names that person as Graham Matthew.\n","display_text":">> No. >> But are you aware underneath that name on your certificate, it says, \"The manning of this vessel shall not change regardless of the passengers on board.\" >> No, I'm not aware. You know what that means? >> No. >> Again, you are familiar with your certificate of inspection from Slasper. >> Yes. >> On the certificate, it has listed minimum certified crew and it names that person as Graham Matthew.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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And you're confirming that the night in question, Graham Matthew, was not on the vessel? >> No, he wasn't. >> So, as a certified level two captain, you are aware that Tyrone should not have been driving your vessel. And this was one of the reasons why as I explained to chairman early on I took over when he asked me of the two reasons. >> But you are the captain of the vessel.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-032705","part":1,"ordinal":258,"timestamp":"03:27:05","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":121945,"char_end":122380,"raw_text":"- **[03:27:05]** You are in charge. >> I understand >> you are aware of that. >> I am aware. But doesn't that mean like Okay. Yes, I am aware. No. So would you say the night in question you displayed poor judgment in allowing Tyrone to be at the end of the vessel up until an SM a customary. Um, that's what we all do. So, I didn't I was not aware that I breached any law pertaining to that. >> I don't think you're speaking on behalf\n","display_text":"You are in charge. >> I understand >> you are aware of that. >> I am aware. But doesn't that mean like Okay. Yes, I am aware. No. So would you say the night in question you displayed poor judgment in allowing Tyrone to be at the end of the vessel up until Anse Mamin a customary. Um, that's what we all do. So, I didn't I was not aware that I breached any law pertaining to that. >> I don't think you're speaking on behalf\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I must ask you, is that your signature? >> Signature of inspection? >> Yeah.\n","display_text":"of you all. You're speaking as >> behalf of myself. >> Yeah. So you you're confirming that it was poor judgment, but it's something you do often. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's his signature. doesn't signature. >> Your certificate of inspection bears a signature as of the 23rd of January 2026. I must ask you, is that your signature? >> Signature of inspection? >> Yeah.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-032855","part":1,"ordinal":260,"timestamp":"03:28:55","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":122763,"char_end":123113,"raw_text":"- **[03:28:55]** >> No, I don't have it. >> I'm not sure. I don't >> Yeah. Would it help if you saw the the certificate in terms of >> Yeah, I would be able to if I saw the certificate was not Okay. No, it's not my signature. So, you're confirming that the signature on this certificate of inspection signed the 23rd of the 1st of 2026 is not yours.\n","display_text":">> No, I don't have it. >> I'm not sure. I don't >> Yeah. Would it help if you saw the the certificate in terms of >> Yeah, I would be able to if I saw the certificate was not Okay. No, it's not my signature. So, you're confirming that the signature on this certificate of inspection signed the 23rd of the 1st of 2026 is not yours.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Were you were you ever spoken to by anyone from the maritime division of the St. Louis St. Lucia NC ports authority? Did anyone speak to you about the the accident? >> No sir. No chairman. Uh, has anyone from the maritime division of the port authority spoken to you at any time about your use of the vehicle and what you had on it and what you didn't have on it and what you should have had on it? >> No chairman.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Yeah. >> And and just to be clear I'm talking about Slasper and not the marine unit of\n","display_text":">> So, there would not normally be any interaction between you and anyone from the from the port authority apart from when you actually renewing your license. I would not say that when sometimes if they're based in Soufrière and they doing a check and stuff they will check on the vessel. >> So there have been checks done by Slasper personnel um during the course of let's say the last year the last two years. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And and just to be clear I'm talking about Slasper and not the marine unit of\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C074","title":"Reading correction","text":"Su → Soufrière. Local dialogue explicitly concerns the Soufrière departure/return or local port checks; correcting the place-name fragment only. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-033147","part":1,"ordinal":263,"timestamp":"03:31:47","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":124108,"char_end":124492,"raw_text":"- **[03:31:47]** police force. >> Yes. SLAS. >> Okay. >> It's uh ATN and Joseph. >> I beg your pardon. It's Mr. Aten and Joseph who normally runs the checks. >> And about how often would these checks be done? >> I would say the presence in Sufra has been very huge as of this year honestly. So four times a week they would be >> four times a week they would actually check your boat.\n","display_text":"police force. >> Yes. SLAS. >> Okay. >> It's uh ATN and Joseph. >> I beg your pardon. It's Mr. Aten and Joseph who normally runs the checks. >> And about how often would these checks be done? >> I would say the presence in Soufrière has been very huge as of this year honestly. So four times a week they would be >> four times a week they would actually check your boat.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C075","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufra → Soufrière. Repeated phonetic transcription of Soufrière in the same departure, return, home-town or port-inspection context; place spelling only. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-033215","part":1,"ordinal":264,"timestamp":"03:32:15","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":124492,"char_end":125059,"raw_text":"- **[03:32:15]** >> Not my boat. Not my boat. But >> but no, but how often would they check your boat? whenever they in suen they have a chance to cuz it's not a matter of they just coming directly to me they would be on the docks on whichever vessel dog they make sure that that vessel is in >> well that vessel is se I should say >> and is that periodic or is that just spasmodic that okay every 2 months every 3 months they would do that or is it just okay we do that today but we don't necessarily do it next month or the month After I'm just trying to ascertain\n","display_text":">> Not my boat. Not my boat. But >> but no, but how often would they check your boat? whenever they in Soufrière they have a chance to cuz it's not a matter of they just coming directly to me they would be on the docks on whichever vessel dog they make sure that that vessel is in >> well that vessel is se I should say >> and is that periodic or is that just spasmodic that okay every 2 months every 3 months they would do that or is it just okay we do that today but we don't necessarily do it next month or the month After I'm just trying to ascertain\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C076","title":"Reading correction","text":"suen → Soufrière. Local dialogue explicitly concerns the Soufrière departure/return or local port checks; correcting the place-name fragment only. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-033252","part":1,"ordinal":265,"timestamp":"03:32:52","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":125059,"char_end":125627,"raw_text":"- **[03:32:52]** whether it is those inspections are periodic or spasmodic meaning every definitive period of 2 months or 3 months or 4 months or it just happens when they there and they feel like inspecting it whether it was whether the last inspection was 1 month ago or one year ago that they're doing it at that time without any you know pattern of every two months every 3 months. I'm just trying to understand from you what interaction do you have with the maritime division of the ports the St. Lucia NC ports authority it's frequency in relation to your boat.\n","display_text":"whether it is those inspections are periodic or spasmodic meaning every definitive period of 2 months or 3 months or 4 months or it just happens when they there and they feel like inspecting it whether it was whether the last inspection was 1 month ago or one year ago that they're doing it at that time without any you know pattern of every two months every 3 months. I'm just trying to understand from you what interaction do you have with the maritime division of the ports the St. Lucia NC ports authority it's frequency in relation to your boat.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I just need to be clear on that. >> You asked me do right earlier on you asked me do Slasper have any personnel\n","display_text":">> Well my boat inspection I only go one every year. >> Yes. >> So upon I renew it to upon a month or two before it expires just apply for renewal. Yeah. >> Yeah. But I'm just trying to You're not really answering me in terms of you said there there are inspections done by Slasper sometimes on your boat. Is that what you're saying or is that not what you're saying? I just need to be clear on that. >> You asked me do right earlier on you asked me do Slasper have any personnel\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So that is it that inspections\n","display_text":"or do I have any in >> No, not whether they have any personnel. I'm asking you whether there are periodic checks or or now and then every week, every month or or no particular time, but sometimes Slasper, the maritime division of Slasper does inspections on your boat. This is not anything accusing you of anything, you know. >> No, I'm not saying you're accusing. I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from, right? Cuz they do an inspection on my vessel once every year, right? So that is it that inspections\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I would not know if they visit my vessel as to which months or how many times per month cuz there's many vessel and I'm not always out on the vessels.\n","display_text":"are done once every year not that dur between that year that every month or every other month for every 3 months that inspections are done. >> I wouldn't know that. >> Sorry, let me finish. Are you saying that these inspections are only done once a year or otherwise? I know they do it once on my vessel in order upon my vessel being renewal date to expiring date within that year period. I would not know if they visit my vessel as to which months or how many times per month cuz there's many vessel and I'm not always out on the vessels.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Does the are there inspections done by the marine units? >> They all do to be honest with you, but bringing back to what I said earlier on, I would not know how often they do it with my vessels, but they both play the part. >> Very well. >> The same question from Justice Michel. How often have you encountered Slasper or the marine police while on the waters?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C077","title":"Reading correction","text":"Michelle → Michel. User-confirmed spelling of Chief Commissioner Mario Michel; every occurrence here addresses or identifies the chair. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-033608","part":1,"ordinal":270,"timestamp":"03:36:08","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":127673,"char_end":127971,"raw_text":"- **[03:36:08]** >> Rarely? >> Really? >> When you say rarely, once every year, once every 3 years. >> It would be. >> Yeah. Once every year. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Nicholas. Um, who is registered? Who is the certified crew member registered to your vessel? Ocean Angel 3. >> Graham Matthew. >> Yes.\n","display_text":">> Rarely? >> Really? >> When you say rarely, once every year, once every 3 years. >> It would be. >> Yeah. Once every year. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Nicholas. Um, who is registered? Who is the certified crew member registered to your vessel? Ocean Angel 3. >> Graham Matthew. >> Yes.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Are you also aware that Graham Matthew is also registered as the boat master for Kazula Jr.? >> I was aware of that last minute. >> You were aware of that last minute. >> Last minute you said last minute last minute. >> Sorry, I didn't. >> Last minute. Last moment. >> Last minute. Okay. >> Last moment to be exact. Last moment. So if if Graham Matthew is registered as crew on your vessel, >> Yeah.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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But if if he is the boat master on one vessel and is also supposed to be the crew of another vessel, a crew member of another vessel, that must not change according to the law that the persons registered to that vessel are the ones to manage at all\n","display_text":">> and registered as the boat master on Kazula Jr. >> Yes. >> If we follow the letter of the law to a T, these two vessels should not be operating together. I don't know about that, but I do understand. But if if he is the boat master on one vessel and is also supposed to be the crew of another vessel, a crew member of another vessel, that must not change according to the law that the persons registered to that vessel are the ones to manage at all\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So if he is registered as a boat master to Kazula Jr. and registered as crew to Ocean Angel 3. I will ask you again. It means therefore that these two vessels ought not to be operating together. As it's pertaining to the law, I do understand which I was not aware of. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> Um Mr. Nicholas, what pre-eparture safety checks do you normally conduct prior to departure?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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That's what I normally do. And did you do that on the night of the 18th of July? >> As I said earlier on, no. >> No, I didn't. >> Oh. >> And where was Tyrone positioned as your lookout? >> To the bow. >> To the back.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-033927","part":1,"ordinal":275,"timestamp":"03:39:27","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":129721,"char_end":130179,"raw_text":"- **[03:39:27]** >> The bow which is the front of the boat. And did he report anything to you during the course of his lookout? >> No, he didn't. >> Prior to departure, did you read the weather advisory given by the Met Office? >> I didn't. >> Were you aware of any small craft advisory reports prior to the departure? >> No. And could you describe what the weather conditions were earlier on during the day prior to departure? Was it raining? Was it sunny?\n","display_text":">> The bow which is the front of the boat. And did he report anything to you during the course of his lookout? >> No, he didn't. >> Prior to departure, did you read the weather advisory given by the Met Office? >> I didn't. >> Were you aware of any small craft advisory reports prior to the departure? >> No. And could you describe what the weather conditions were earlier on during the day prior to departure? Was it raining? Was it sunny?\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Prior to\n","display_text":">> When you mean during the day, are you taking it back um to the morning, the afternoon, or >> during the course of the day? What was the weather like in leading into the night? >> Well, during the course of the day, it was all sunny. During the night, it started pouring a bit. During the night it started to pour. >> Yeah. >> And you said in your witness statement that you didn't feel or hear the impact. You just remember being in the water. Prior to\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Would you act differently if the passengers on your boat are tourists as opposed to if they Don't do that. Don't do that, please. It's not Don't do that. Um, yes. Would you would your actions be different if there were nine tourists on\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-034141","part":1,"ordinal":278,"timestamp":"03:41:41","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":131034,"char_end":131495,"raw_text":"- **[03:41:41]** board your your boat? Would you more likely have provided them with live vests or alert them to the fact that they're live vests available and so on? Do you do you follow certain protocols with your let's just say tourists as opposed to what you would do if you're your folks from Sufare? And I'm not asking you any question to embarrass you, to toriminate you. Just a straight question. >> Yeah, >> you're fine. >> Well, as far as I know, uh,\n","display_text":"board your your boat? Would you more likely have provided them with live vests or alert them to the fact that they're live vests available and so on? Do you do you follow certain protocols with your let's just say tourists as opposed to what you would do if you're your folks from Soufrière? And I'm not asking you any question to embarrass you, to toriminate you. Just a straight question. >> Yeah, >> you're fine. >> Well, as far as I know, uh,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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If there were >> tourists, yeah, I mean, >> if there were tourists, nine tourists on board your passengers on board your vehicle, are you more likely to have gone through with them the safety routines and tell them that there are life jackets and and available and if they wish to have a life jacket, one would be provided. Would you more likely\n","display_text":"pertaining well to me, not the law, right? Pertaining to what I did and my actions, not I'm speaking not the law. I would have been acting the same if they were clients on my vessel. >> No, not clients. If there were >> tourists, yeah, I mean, >> if there were tourists, nine tourists on board your passengers on board your vehicle, are you more likely to have gone through with them the safety routines and tell them that there are life jackets and and available and if they wish to have a life jacket, one would be provided. Would you more likely\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Um, that there\n","display_text":"do that with with with tourists rather than with as I say your people from Soufrière? >> Not at all times. No, >> not at all times. But you would do it sometimes. I just just trying to understand the culture that okay I operate a water taxi service. I have you know nine tourists on board the vehicle. Okay. On board the vessel. You are to do this. You are to do that. their life jackets on their seat and so on and so on, but that you would react differently if it were, you know, just regular regular folks like you. Um, that there\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C079","title":"Reading correction","text":"suare → Soufrière. 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Just a >> a straightforward question. >> No, I wouldn't. So you would act you would have your nine tourists on board your your vessel and you would not give them you would not go over with them the various safety routines and safety devices and and let them know that there are life jackets which they which they can use or should use during the voyage. You are not likely to do that. >> Not at all times. I'll have to content myself with that\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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If there are are tourists on board that you would ensure that you\n","display_text":"answer because when I ask you whether you're likely to do something, you you qualify you're likely or not likely. But that's the answer you wish to give and and I don't know that I have a choice. But >> yeah, I'm just being honest with you cuz >> yes, I I want you if there is certain times I do it and certain times I'm not, I would not say to you that I don't. Whereas if there are certain times that I do it, you know, >> so I just understand the culture. >> Yeah. Yeah. If there are are tourists on board that you would ensure that you\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I'm just drawing something to your attention because of your level of competency because it is clear that you are captain a boat captain. you have a license at Slasper and based on the discussion\n","display_text":"explain this and that to them, but if it is local people that you would not necessarily do those same things. Just trying to understand not not implicate you in any way. >> Yes. I said sometimes >> I will have to live with that answer. Any other questions? Yeah. >> Yes sir. I'm just drawing something to your attention because of your level of competency because it is clear that you are captain a boat captain. you have a license at Slasper and based on the discussion\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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And in conclusion to that, it says that your responsibility and I want to take my time slowly to explain to us for our understanding\n","display_text":"earlier with um Commissioner Defrightes, I would like to bring to your attention of the responsibility of a captain. as you would have learned by reason of law that these laws apply to all vessels on the high sea and all waters connected therein which are navigable which means which a vessel can navigate through. >> Yes. And in conclusion to that, it says that your responsibility and I want to take my time slowly to explain to us for our understanding\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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And in those circumstances, in complying or constring with those\n","display_text":"as rule number two says and I quote, \"Nothing in these rules shall exonerate any vessel or the owner, the master or the crew from the consequ quences of any neglect to comply with the rules of the road which are the international navigation rules which applies under our shipping act. The neglect of any precautionary measure which may have been taken by the ordinary practice of seammanship to avoid a collision. And in those circumstances, in complying or constring with those\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So I am bringing it to our understanding one the information you would agree with me that the information that you have supplied to the relevant authority on that which is Slasper that the person who is your crew as Mr. Defus would have\n","display_text":"rules, due regard shall be taken to all dangers of navigation or collision and any special circumstances, including the limitation of the vessels involved to make a proper departure from those rules to avoid a collision. So I am bringing it to our understanding one the information you would agree with me that the information that you have supplied to the relevant authority on that which is Slasper that the person who is your crew as Mr. Defus would have\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Mr. Was The gentleman,\n","display_text":"indicated to you is also a boat captain and the boat in itself Kazola was out without the registered captain. Is that correct? So you're correct. Right. In addition to that, based on what you have explained to us that your crew, your your your registered crew personnel was not the person on board and somebody you so choose to without informing the relevant authority except if I'm taken if I'm not taken by error that that individual was sick at the time. Was he sick at the time? Mr. Was The gentleman,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Your certificate clearly indicates >> indicated that\n","display_text":">> Mr. Matthew. >> Mr. Matthew is was Mr. Matthew sick at the time or >> I'm not sure, >> but he was by reason of law he should have been on your vessel. >> As I said, I totally agree with you. I'm not doubting that. It was not to my knowledge that I knew. So, sir, >> I I still I still beg to differ. You are a board captain. >> I understand what you said. I understand. Your certificate clearly indicates >> indicated that\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Uh I want to go back to your I want to go back to your years of\n","display_text":">> that so and to the best of our knowledge in the maritime domain every boat owner would have signed certain documents indicating that Slasper had inspected their vessel and do the entire works in order to get a certificate. So I am saying to you that you are aware of who your captain should have not your captain but your crew registered crew member should have been. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> Thank you. Uh I want to go back to your I want to go back to your years of\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So, >> just by the way, did you say 10 years earlier? >> Yeah, I've been driving before that. You asked how long I was a boat captain. So, I've been staring boats way before that. >> So, you've been in the business close to 10 years, but 6 years as a captain. >> Yeah.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-035033","part":1,"ordinal":291,"timestamp":"03:50:33","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":137477,"char_end":137950,"raw_text":"- **[03:50:33]** That's correct. >> So, is it customary for you to provide nighttime services during festivities such as carnival and jazz? >> Well, that's how I do my living. So, it's my occupation. Yes. >> So, the response is yes. >> Yeah, I do it. Yes. So during the carnival season for example, how many activities would you transfer persons to on an average >> between how many activities? Uh so there's sometimes there's four activities taking place. So within these\n","display_text":"That's correct. >> So, is it customary for you to provide nighttime services during festivities such as carnival and jazz? >> Well, that's how I do my living. So, it's my occupation. Yes. >> So, the response is yes. >> Yeah, I do it. Yes. So during the carnival season for example, how many activities would you transfer persons to on an average >> between how many activities? Uh so there's sometimes there's four activities taking place. So within these\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So you would transport them to and from? >> Yes. >> And these are the hours between sun set and after midnight. >> Yeah, it goes somewhere later than that. >> And is it also customary for you to be on the waters into early morning? >> Yeah. >> So what? Give me an average in terms of timeline. If you transported a a group of persons to an event, let's say at 8:00,\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-035205","part":1,"ordinal":293,"timestamp":"03:52:05","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":138386,"char_end":138762,"raw_text":"- **[03:52:05]** what is the latest time that you have picked them up and brought them back to Sufra? >> 2:30 in the morning. >> Yeah. And during that time, have you ever been stopped, approached by Slasper or the Marine Police? >> Not that I recall. >> What's that? >> Not that I can recall of. And as a captain, do you think these hours are okay for you to be on the waters\n","display_text":"what is the latest time that you have picked them up and brought them back to Soufrière? >> 2:30 in the morning. >> Yeah. And during that time, have you ever been stopped, approached by Slasper or the Marine Police? >> Not that I recall. >> What's that? >> Not that I can recall of. And as a captain, do you think these hours are okay for you to be on the waters\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C080","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufra → Soufrière. 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Well, as long as I'm consider my boots sea worthy, I would say for me it would be okay cuz that's sometimes during the day I don't do anything and if that's the only tour that I have during the night, I mean that's how I survive. So for me, yeah. >> And my final question, what do you do while you are waiting to transfer these persons back to Soufrière? >> I sleep on the boat, try and get some rest.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P1-C081","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufra → Soufrière. Repeated phonetic transcription of Soufrière in the same departure, return, home-town or port-inspection context; place spelling only. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P1-035321","part":1,"ordinal":295,"timestamp":"03:53:21","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":139227,"char_end":139754,"raw_text":"- **[03:53:21]** >> You try to get some rest. So, it's normal for you to feel fatigue during that these festive seasons. >> Well, try and get enough rest cuz you know you're there, they're out 6 7 hours. So, you don't want to be up all that time and then to take them back home, you're not able to, you know, you're not fit enough to I should say. So, with me gaining four to 5 hours of rest upon in day returning back, I would be okay to take them across with them. So you you wait on the vessel and you sleep there. >> Yeah.\n","display_text":">> You try to get some rest. So, it's normal for you to feel fatigue during that these festive seasons. >> Well, try and get enough rest cuz you know you're there, they're out 6 7 hours. So, you don't want to be up all that time and then to take them back home, you're not able to, you know, you're not fit enough to I should say. So, with me gaining four to 5 hours of rest upon in day returning back, I would be okay to take them across with them. So you you wait on the vessel and you sleep there. >> Yeah.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-035353","part":1,"ordinal":296,"timestamp":"03:53:53","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"dylan","char_start":139754,"char_end":140183,"raw_text":"- **[03:53:53]** >> Okay. Thank you. Yes. Before I I release you so to speak, Mr. Hippolit, are there any questions you wish to ask of Mr. Nicholas? No. Okay, Mr. Nicholas, uh, thank you for for your evidence. It was very detailed. Um, um, there is always the possibility that you may be recalled if something arises that the commission wishes to hear you further on, but at this time you are discharged. Um, and you are free to\n","display_text":">> Okay. Thank you. Yes. Before I I release you so to speak, Mr. Hippolit, are there any questions you wish to ask of Mr. Nicholas? No. Okay, Mr. Nicholas, uh, thank you for for your evidence. It was very detailed. Um, um, there is always the possibility that you may be recalled if something arises that the commission wishes to hear you further on, but at this time you are discharged. Um, and you are free to\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You are free to remain for the afternoon proceedings or to leave at your pleasure. >> One minute. Just >> can I have a word with my council? >> Sure. Go right ahead. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chair, how much time do you wish to >> Just a minute there. Sorry. M Mr. Nicholas, was there something you wish to say? >> No, that's it. Mr. Chan. >> Yeah.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P1-035630","part":1,"ordinal":298,"timestamp":"03:56:30","timestamp_type":"source recording offset, not time of day","section":"p1close","char_start":140642,"char_end":141136,"raw_text":"- **[03:56:30]** >> How much time do you wish do you propose for lunch? >> Um, >> so I can make appropriate arrangements. >> 45 minutes. Good enough. 30 minutes. 45 minutes. 1 hour, >> half an hour. >> And she said 30, 30, 45 or 60. Okay, we will take the lunch and recess now and we'll resume at 3:00 subject to I think you would wish to say something to um the witnesses or >> Yeah. So, I would like to engage the witnesses privately. So, I'll have a discussion with them because I'm mindful\n","display_text":">> How much time do you wish do you propose for lunch? >> Um, >> so I can make appropriate arrangements. >> 45 minutes. Good enough. 30 minutes. 45 minutes. 1 hour, >> half an hour. >> And she said 30, 30, 45 or 60. Okay, we will take the lunch and recess now and we'll resume at 3:00 subject to I think you would wish to say something to um the witnesses or >> Yeah. So, I would like to engage the witnesses privately. So, I'll have a discussion with them because I'm mindful\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Then the we're adjourned until 3:00 this afternoon. >> Thank you chair.\n","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":[],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-001","part":2,"ordinal":1,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":43,"char_end":1097,"first_asr_turn":1,"last_asr_turn":20,"raw_text":"witnesses and other members of the public. We're about to resume further inquiries this afternoon with additional witnesses. At this time, I would like to call Mr. Elias Nicholas to the stand and to be sworn in. You can just come here and just repeat after me. >> I Elias Nicholas >> do solemnly so >> do solemnly swear >> to tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth >> and nothing but the truth. So help me God. >> So help me God. >> You okay? You can bring it forward a little bit more. You comfortable? Yeah. address and occupation. I'm Elias Nicholas. I'm from Suare. Bridge Street. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm from Bridge Street. >> Bridge Street. >> Yeah. >> Your occupation? >> I'm a fisherman. Did you ever give a statement to the police in relation to this matter? >> No sir. >> Any reason why you didn't give a statement? >> But I didn't see the officer to come and check me. >> No officer ever came to check you for a statement? >> No. You remember Saturday 18th July 2026? And on the night of Saturday 18th July 2026, did you go somewhere? ","display_text":"witnesses and other members of the public. We're about to resume further inquiries this afternoon with additional witnesses. At this time, I would like to call Mr. Elias Nicholas to the stand and to be sworn in. You can just come here and just repeat after me. >> I Elias Nicholas >> do solemnly so >> do solemnly swear >> to tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth >> and nothing but the truth. So help me God. >> So help me God. >> You okay? You can bring it forward a little bit more. You comfortable? Yeah. address and occupation. I'm Elias Nicholas. I'm from Soufrière. Bridge Street. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm from Bridge Street. >> Bridge Street. >> Yeah. >> Your occupation? >> I'm a fisherman. Did you ever give a statement to the police in relation to this matter? >> No sir. >> Any reason why you didn't give a statement? >> But I didn't see the officer to come and check me. >> No officer ever came to check you for a statement? >> No. You remember Saturday 18th July 2026? And on the night of Saturday 18th July 2026, did you go somewhere? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":1097,"char_end":2097,"first_asr_turn":21,"last_asr_turn":43,"raw_text":">> Pardon, sir. >> On the night of 18th July 2026, did you go somewhere on a boat? >> Yes, sir. And >> could you tell us where and when you boarded that boat? I bought it on the um on board on the jetty in Suare. And about what time was that? >> Around after 10. So I on sometime after 1000 p.m. on Saturday 18th July 2026 I boarded a boat. What was the name of the boat? >> Ocean free. And where where was the boat headed to when you boarded it? Do you know who were the persons on board Ocean 3 at the time that you boarded it? >> Yes, sister. >> And and who were those persons? >> They were Tyron. Sorry. Tyrone, >> myself. >> Yes. >> Um, Roxson, Debbie, >> and I do the girl from school. I don't know the name. I don't know the name. >> You said a girl from Shiselle. >> Yeah. >> Uhhuh. >> And that Bradley. >> Sorry. What was that last name you mentioned? >> Bradley. >> Bradley. B R A D L E Y. >> Bradley. Yes, >> they are Na'vi. And no one that died even forget his name. >> Mali. Mali. Mali. ","display_text":">> Pardon, sir. >> On the night of 18th July 2026, did you go somewhere on a boat? >> Yes, sir. And >> could you tell us where and when you boarded that boat? I bought it on the um on board on the jetty in Soufrière. And about what time was that? >> Around after 10. So I on sometime after 1000 p.m. on Saturday 18th July 2026 I boarded a boat. What was the name of the boat? >> Ocean free. And where where was the boat headed to when you boarded it? Do you know who were the persons on board Ocean 3 at the time that you boarded it? >> Yes, mister. >> And and who were those persons? >> They were Tyron. Sorry. Tyrone, >> myself. >> Yes. >> Um, Roxson, Debbie, >> and I do the girl from Choiseul. I don't know the name. I don't know the name. >> You said a girl from Choiseul. >> Yeah. >> Uhhuh. >> And that Bradley. >> Sorry. What was that last name you mentioned? >> Bradley. >> Bradley. B R A D L E Y. >> Bradley. Yes, >> they are Na'vi. And no one that died even forget his name. >> Mali. Mali. Mali. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0021","P2-U0022","P2-U0023","P2-U0024","P2-U0025","P2-U0026","P2-U0027","P2-U0028","P2-U0029","P2-U0030","P2-U0031","P2-U0032","P2-U0033","P2-U0034","P2-U0035","P2-U0036","P2-U0037","P2-U0038","P2-U0039","P2-U0040","P2-U0041","P2-U0042","P2-U0043"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P2-C002","title":"Reading correction","text":"Suare → Soufrière. 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Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":2097,"char_end":3116,"first_asr_turn":44,"last_asr_turn":70,"raw_text":">> Mali. >> Yeah. >> What about Tyran? >> Yeah, that's the first name. >> Oh, you mentioned Tyran. Yes. So it was Tyron, Roxan, Debbie, >> Bradley, Marvi, Marley, a girl from Shazelle whose name you do not know. >> Yes. >> And you and who else? >> Um, the captain Are you related to Dylan? >> Yes, sir. >> You all carry the same surname. Nicholas. >> Yeah. >> What? What are you to him? >> His fifth cousin. Now, can you tell us what happened after you boarded the boat sometime after 1000 p.m. on Saturday, 18th July, 2026? >> Well, when you left the PL that night, T was um captaining the boat. >> I I'll need you to speak just a little slower. >> All right. >> So, when you boarded the boat? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And when you left um when you left the pier, Tyran was the captain. >> Yeah. >> Yes. So Tyran was the captain at the time he boarded. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And after a while Dan arm decided to ask him to come captain the boat. So Dan took over. >> So Tyran was captain and the boat traveled some distance. ","display_text":">> Mali. >> Yeah. >> What about Tyran? >> Yeah, that's the first name. >> Oh, you mentioned Tyran. Yes. So it was Tyron, Roxan, Debbie, >> Bradley, Marvi, Marley, a girl from Choiseul whose name you do not know. >> Yes. >> And you and who else? >> Um, the captain Are you related to Dylan? >> Yes, sir. >> You all carry the same surname. Nicholas. >> Yeah. >> What? What are you to him? >> His fifth cousin. Now, can you tell us what happened after you boarded the boat sometime after 1000 p.m. on Saturday, 18th July, 2026? >> Well, when you left the PL that night, T was um captaining the boat. >> I I'll need you to speak just a little slower. >> All right. >> So, when you boarded the boat? >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And when you left um when you left the pier, Tyran was the captain. >> Yeah. >> Yes. So Tyran was the captain at the time he boarded. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And after a while Dan arm decided to ask him to come captain the boat. So Dan took over. >> So Tyran was captain and the boat traveled some distance. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":3116,"char_end":4246,"first_asr_turn":71,"last_asr_turn":86,"raw_text":">> Yeah. >> Before Dan took over. >> Yes. >> So you're saying when you boarded the boat, Tyran was the captain? >> Yeah. at the time after he had driven the boat. Do you know about how long he was in control of the boat before >> before Dylan took over? No. >> So after he had driven the boat for some time or for some distance. >> Yeah. For some distance. >> You say Dylan took over the control of the boat. Uh, did Dylan say anything before taking control of the boat? >> Oh, okay. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. He tell him, \"Captain, let me show you how to cap.\" >> He said, \"What? Sorry. Let me captain, I will show you how to cap.\" Show how to show >> captain. How to stand boot? How to cap? >> Show how to what? Cap. >> Cap. Yeah. >> Ah, okay. And what did you understand Dylan to mean by let me show you how to cap? >> What do you understood Dylan to mean when he told Tyran, \"Let me show you how to cap.\" Like how I see it like he showed him like he better than him. Was there a difference in the way the boat was being driven when it was being driven by Tyron and when it was being driven? driven by Dylan. Was there a difference? ","display_text":">> Yeah. >> Before Dan took over. >> Yes. >> So you're saying when you boarded the boat, Tyran was the captain? >> Yeah. at the time after he had driven the boat. Do you know about how long he was in control of the boat before >> before Dylan took over? No. >> So after he had driven the boat for some time or for some distance. >> Yeah. For some distance. >> You say Dylan took over the control of the boat. Uh, did Dylan say anything before taking control of the boat? >> Oh, okay. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. He tell him, \"Captain, let me show you how to cap.\" >> He said, \"What? Sorry. 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Did you notice any lights on the boat? >> No. I noticed any light on the board, mister. You're a fisherman. You're familiar with with going out at sea in watercraft. What if there were lights on the boat? Would you have seen them? >> Yes, sir. So Dylan was driving fast. There were no lights on the boat. What was the next thing that happened? We >> go for a good while. >> I'm sorry. >> It go for a good while. >> Yes. >> And after I just I a lot of noise. >> Yes. And when I check myself, I check I I I see water. The book cap size already. Yeah. Yes. So when you check yourself, you realize that you in the sea water. The boat capsized >> already. >> Could you swim? >> Yes, sir. >> And you were in the water. The boat capsized. >> Yeah. >> You're a swimmer. What did you do next? I saw a life jacket. I grabbed it one time. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You grabbed it and >> I grabbed it with my left hands and I hold Did you see anybody in the water at that time? You outside the boat, you grab the the um the life jacket and you're using it to to float. Uh, you held on to it. Yeah. >> Did Sorry. >> Yeah, that's when I um went up on top of the boat and sit down on it capsized. >> You went on top of the same boat, Ocean Angel. >> Yeah, it was capsized. I I couldn't sit down on it. So you're on top of Ocean Angel. >> Yeah. >> Which has capsized. You're there. You have a a life jacket. Did you see anybody else in the water at that time? >> Yes, sir. >> Who did you see in the water? I couldn't see the face. >> So you saw a person or persons in the water? ","display_text":">> And where did you see that life jacket? >> Yeah. Close to the boat. >> Close to your boat. Close to Ocean Angel. >> Ocean Angel. Yeah. And it was outside the boat floating in the water. >> Floating in the water. 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What what is the next thing that happened? >> After a while come and sit down on on ocean >> after a while other persons came to sit down on on the boat. >> Yeah. Do you recognize any of those persons? >> I I can't remember. >> You cannot remember or or were you not able to recognize? >> Um I had a I had a blue M too. I had a holy night. So ","display_text":">> Person in the water. >> I beg your pardon? >> I said I saw persons in the water. >> One person, two person. >> No, more than one. >> More than one person. >> Yeah. >> But you wouldn't be able to say whether it's two or three. >> Yeah. >> And you weren't able to make out the people who were in the water. >> No. Did you hear the persons saying anything, shouting anything, screaming anything? Did you hear any? >> I heard someone was shouting, \"Help! Help!\" Does it sound like a male voice or a female voice? >> A male voice. >> Yeah. That was the only person you could have heard speaking or saying anything. >> Yes sir. >> So what happened next? This male voice is shouting help help you seated on the boat. What what is the next thing that happened? >> After a while come and sit down on on ocean >> after a while other persons came to sit down on on the boat. >> Yeah. Do you recognize any of those persons? >> I I can't remember. >> You cannot remember or or were you not able to recognize? >> Um I had a I had a blue M too. I had a holy night. So ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So, what next happened? You and other persons seated on top of Ocean Angel. >> Yeah. >> Um which was sinking. You didn't see any other boat. What what next happened? >> After a good while, we saw boat coming towards us. You say after a while. Can you give any indication as to whether that means 5 minutes after, 10 minutes after? >> Around 15 minutes after >> about 15 minutes after. And when that boat came about 15 minutes after it came towards you all. >> Yeah. >> What happened? Did you all go onto the boat? >> Um they put me on board. And when you see the the captain on the next bird that come and rescue us. Did they also put the other persons? >> They put Davi and them too. Just just the two of us. So, are you sure it was Debbie? ","display_text":">> So you do not remember who were the other persons on the boat? No. >> That's the other person who came and sit on the boat where you were. 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Yeah. >> So on the boat that took you all to Canry's. >> Yeah. >> It was just the captain of the boat. >> The captain and you had somebody go with him. >> So it was the captain of the boat. One other person. You and Debbie's body. >> Yeah. That's what I see. So when you they took us to Canaries, what happened after you all got to Canaries? >> They dropped us on by the jetty in Canaries and they called for the ambulance. They called for an ambulance. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> And after that I just knock out. I didn't know nothing again. >> So you don't know whether the ambulance came? >> I didn't know when I open my eyes. I in super hospital. >> So after they dropped you all by the jetty, they call an ambulance and the next thing you know is that you are the super hospital. Yes. Soon. So you have you have no idea what happened between after they drop you all to to Canaries and you get into the Safari hospital. You don't know how you got there or anything like that? 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I didn't know nothing again. >> So you don't know whether the ambulance came? >> I didn't know when I open my eyes. I in Soufrière hospital. >> So after they dropped you all by the jetty, they call an ambulance and the next thing you know is that you are the Soufrière hospital. Yes. Soon. So you have you have no idea what happened between after they drop you all to to Canaries and you get into the Soufrière hospital. You don't know how you got there or anything like that? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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"}]},{"id":"P2-010","part":2,"ordinal":10,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":9725,"char_end":10727,"first_asr_turn":179,"last_asr_turn":195,"raw_text":">> No. Did you say you knocked out? Yeah, >> knocked out. When you got to the Sufi hospital, anything of note that that you saw other persons there? I saw other persons there. >> Other persons who were in the accident. >> Yeah. But there was an onboard good ocean angel. Did you sustain injury as a result of the board collision? I >> had a broken leg, my left leg. Which leg? >> The left one. >> Anything else you want to say to us? >> I had a word in my head, too. Did you have to do surgery as a result? >> Yes, sir. >> Where was the surgery? On your head or on your leg or both? >> My leg. >> Surgery was on your leg. Yeah. Yes. 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So when the boat came to rescue you, Debbie was already aboard. >> I too sure. >> What's that? >> I'm not too sure about that. >> You're not too sure. So after you were placed on the boat, you were sitting on the capsized boat. That's what you said. >> I was sleeping. >> You were sleeping. >> Yeah. >> Ah, I heard sitting. >> No, sitting. No, I have a broken leg. I couldn't I couldn't see. >> Sorry, I didn't get what you saying there. >> I had a broken leg. I couldn't sit. I was sleeping on both the boat. >> On board which boat? >> The boat that couldn't rescue us? I mean after you were rescued you fell asleep because ACPD Frasers is asking you when you were s you were sitting on the the top of the sunk boat. That's so the capsized boat. >> The cupsiz boat. >> Uhhuh. How were you on that capsiz boat? >> Is your pardon? >> The capsized boat. Were you lying down or sitting on? >> I was sitting down. >> You were sitting down on the capsiz boat on the side. 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Yeah. >> At what point did you realize that Debbie was also on the rescue boat? >> When I opened my eyes. >> When you open your eyes, where? >> On both the boat that rescue us. >> On both the boat that rescued us. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you are not sure whether you got onto the boat first or Debbie? >> Oh, Debbie. Yeah. So Dylan took over the captaincy of the boat. Dylan starts to drive the boat. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. You said you were seated on the >> the bow on on the left side. >> On the left side of the bow. >> Yeah, that different side. >> Could you have seen ahead of you? >> No, sir. >> Why? >> The bows too high. I couldn't see. So you're seated on the bow. That's what you're saying. >> Yeah. Not on the B. Sit on the in front of the bow. They have a front seat. >> Okay. So you are seated >> on top of the bar sitting down. >> Okay. >> No. On the seat on the seat front. Yeah. ","display_text":">> Right. Then you said the rescue boat came. >> Yeah. The rescue boat came >> and they put you on the rescue boat. Yeah. >> At what point did you realize that Debbie was also on the rescue boat? >> When I opened my eyes. >> When you open your eyes, where? >> On both the boat that rescue us. >> On both the boat that rescued us. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you are not sure whether you got onto the boat first or Debbie? >> Oh, Debbie. Yeah. So Dylan took over the captaincy of the boat. Dylan starts to drive the boat. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. You said you were seated on the >> the bow on on the left side. >> On the left side of the bow. >> Yeah, that different side. >> Could you have seen ahead of you? >> No, sir. >> Why? >> The bows too high. I couldn't see. So you're seated on the bow. That's what you're saying. >> Yeah. Not on the B. Sit on the in front of the bow. They have a front seat. >> Okay. So you are seated >> on top of the bar sitting down. >> Okay. >> No. On the seat on the seat front. Yeah. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So if that same boat was not moving, it was just sitting there floating there on the water and not moving and you seated in the same position that you were, would you have seen ahead of you? I had to push my to see. >> You would have to push yourself. >> Have to stay focused forward so I wouldn't see nothing. >> That's even if the boat was just >> Yes. Just just there. Yeah. >> Okay. Did you at all ever see an on the lights of an oncoming vessel? Did you ever see the lights of a vessel coming towards the vessel you were on? >> No, sir. Did you hear? >> I didn't hear nothing. 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I I I didn't know if anybody was watching for the captain. You said there were two of us. Two of you in front. >> Yeah. >> Who was the other person? >> Tyron. Was he How was he in the vessel? You were sitting in the vessel. What was What was Tyrone doing? >> He was sitting on the vessel, too. >> Was he sitting next to you? >> Yes, sir. Was there anybody ahead of you? Was there anybody in front of you on time? >> No. So, there's the two of us that are in front. Thank you, Mr. Nicholas. Okay. Mr. Nicholas, good afternoon. >> Afternoon madam. >> You indicate said that Tyrone was initially operating the vessel before Dylan took over. Um, could you tell us approximately where Dylan took over the vessel? Do you remember when I passed on there by there? And you stated that Dylan was traveling faster than Tyrone. ","display_text":">> it wasn't me I didn't know I don't know it wasn't It wasn't you. >> No. >> Was there a lookout? Was there somebody watching for the captain? >> I didn't know if the next guy beside me was watching. I didn't know. >> No, I am asking you. Was there someone watching out towards the front for the captain? >> I know. I just thought the two of us were in front. I I I didn't know if anybody was watching for the captain. You said there were two of us. Two of you in front. >> Yeah. >> Who was the other person? >> Tyron. Was he How was he in the vessel? You were sitting in the vessel. What was What was Tyrone doing? >> He was sitting on the vessel, too. >> Was he sitting next to you? >> Yes, sir. Was there anybody ahead of you? Was there anybody in front of you on time? >> No. So, there's the two of us that are in front. Thank you, Mr. Nicholas. Okay. Mr. Nicholas, good afternoon. >> Afternoon madam. >> You indicated that Tyrone was initially operating the vessel before Dylan took over. Um, could you tell us approximately where Dylan took over the vessel? 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Preserve the supplied sentence and existing speaker boundaries. "}]},{"id":"P2-016","part":2,"ordinal":16,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":16235,"char_end":17295,"first_asr_turn":281,"last_asr_turn":294,"raw_text":">> Yes, ma did. >> What made you conclude that he was driving faster? >> But I saw the boat was going more faster when Dylan had it than Tyrone. >> The boat was going >> faster when had it than Tyrone. And would you say that the speed affected the stability of the boat? Pardon? >> Did you say would you say that the speed that Dylan was traveling at, did it affect the stability of the boat? Was the boat more unstable when Dylan was driving versus when Tyrone? >> It was more stable. >> It was more unstable. And did you feel safe traveling at this speed that Dylan? >> No, I wasn't feeling safe. Am I really to be honest with you? >> Did you express concerns to Dylan? >> Did you express any concerns with the speed? No, I didn't tell nothing. >> Did anyone on board express any concerns about the speed he was operating? >> Only um only the the the girls was telling him um Dan um slow down. We can only the girls the girls was telling him um Dan, you're going too fast. We cannot swim. Yeah. >> You were telling him you're going too fast. We cannot swim. ","display_text":">> Yes, ma did. >> What made you conclude that he was driving faster? >> But I saw the boat was going more faster when Dylan had it than Tyrone. >> The boat was going >> faster when had it than Tyrone. And would you say that the speed affected the stability of the boat? Pardon? >> Did you say would you say that the speed that Dylan was traveling at, did it affect the stability of the boat? Was the boat more unstable when Dylan was driving versus when Tyrone? >> It was more stable. >> It was more unstable. And did you feel safe traveling at this speed that Dylan? >> No, I wasn't feeling safe. Am I really to be honest with you? >> Did you express concerns to Dylan? >> Did you express any concerns with the speed? No, I didn't tell nothing. >> Did anyone on board express any concerns about the speed he was operating? >> Only um only the the the girls was telling him um Dan um slow down. We can only the girls the girls was telling him um Dan, you're going too fast. We cannot swim. Yeah. >> You were telling him you're going too fast. We cannot swim. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You also say here that you did not observe any lights on Ocean Angel. Did you observe whether there were any navigation lights when he left when the boat left the port of Sufare? >> No lights, my lady. Did you observe whether the lights were switched on at any time during the journey? >> No, my lady. >> Did you see lights from any other vessel at any point in time? >> No, madam. No. Were there any circumstances which made it difficult for you to see far ahead? >> The bar was too high. I couldn't see. >> What about the weather? >> The weather wasn't too bad. Did you hear anyone shout or give any warning before the collision? >> Did you hear anyone on the boat give any warnings before the collision? ","display_text":">> We cannot swim. Yeah. >> When you say the girls, can you clarify who? >> Debbie Roxson and I don't know the other girl name. >> Is it the young lady from Choiseul? >> Yes, my lady. And when he told when they told Dylan to reduce on his speed, did he listen? >> No, he did not. >> Did he provide any response? >> We didn't say anything. You also say here that you did not observe any lights on Ocean Angel. Did you observe whether there were any navigation lights when he left when the boat left the port of Soufrière? >> No lights, my lady. Did you observe whether the lights were switched on at any time during the journey? >> No, my lady. >> Did you see lights from any other vessel at any point in time? >> No, madam. No. Were there any circumstances which made it difficult for you to see far ahead? >> The bar was too high. I couldn't see. >> What about the weather? >> The weather wasn't too bad. Did you hear anyone shout or give any warning before the collision? >> Did you hear anyone on the boat give any warnings before the collision? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P2-018","part":2,"ordinal":18,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":18339,"char_end":19369,"first_asr_turn":311,"last_asr_turn":324,"raw_text":">> Nothing like that. Something like that. Did you observe at any time whether Dylan attempted to change his direction or reduce the speed of the vessel? >> No. And directly prior to the collision, did you see any other lights on any other boats? >> No, my lady. >> Did you observe whether there were any life jackets on board the boat at any point in time before the collision? >> No, I didn't check that. beg your pardon? >> I didn't check that. I didn't see before boarding the Ocean Angel. Did you observe whether Dylan consumed any alcoholic beverages? >> I'm not too sure about automatically. Mhm. When Dylan took over, did Tyrone have any objections? No, >> these are all my questions. Thank you. >> Yeah, thank you too. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Nicholas. >> Good afternoon, sir. >> I have a few questions for you. Um, when you boarded the vessel at the Sufred dock, were you given any safety briefing when you got on the boat? >> Nothing like that, sir? Nothing like that? No. >> No. Were you given a life jacket to put on? ","display_text":">> Nothing like that. Something like that. Did you observe at any time whether Dylan attempted to change his direction or reduce the speed of the vessel? >> No. And directly prior to the collision, did you see any other lights on any other boats? >> No, my lady. >> Did you observe whether there were any life jackets on board the boat at any point in time before the collision? >> No, I didn't check that. beg your pardon? >> I didn't check that. I didn't see before boarding the Ocean Angel. Did you observe whether Dylan consumed any alcoholic beverages? >> I'm not too sure about automatically. Mhm. 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Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":20373,"char_end":21809,"first_asr_turn":348,"last_asr_turn":365,"raw_text":">> The VHF. the the radio? >> No, sir. >> So, you did not observe Dylan having any communication with the VHF? >> No. >> Okay. Have you been on that vessel before? >> No sir. >> So, this was your first time on Ocean Angel? Yeah. >> And you're a fisherman? >> Yes sir. Do you often time travel at night on such vessels? >> Do you travel on vessels from Sufra often at night? >> No sir. >> So you're normally in by sunset? >> Yes sir. >> A final question. Um, how would you describe the crew, which is the captain and the lookout, the first mate? How would you describe them? Were they tired? Were they under the influence of alcohol? Were they alert? >> Um, I didn't know, sir. I come and get all them people on board the boat. I don't know if they want the alcohol or I'm drinking alcohol. Okay. >> Thank you. Good day, Mr. Nicholas. How are you? >> Not too bad, mister. >> Thank you. I'm good. Um, I just want you to take us slowly from Sufre to Ascos on your own time. We have listened to you. I think we have a fairly good understanding as to what you have said. But even before that I would like to ask you one question because it is very important to understand that also. Um prior to going on the trip or even during the passage from Sufre to the point of the accident, did you eat or did you drink anything that would have caused you to see or hear things differently from normal? I didn't eat anything. I didn't drink anything. ","display_text":">> The VHF. the the radio? >> No, sir. >> So, you did not observe Dylan having any communication with the VHF? >> No. >> Okay. Have you been on that vessel before? >> No sir. >> So, this was your first time on Ocean Angel? Yeah. >> And you're a fisherman? >> Yes sir. Do you often time travel at night on such vessels? >> Do you travel on vessels from Soufrière often at night? >> No sir. >> So you're normally in by sunset? >> Yes sir. >> A final question. Um, how would you describe the crew, which is the captain and the lookout, the first mate? How would you describe them? Were they tired? Were they under the influence of alcohol? Were they alert? >> Um, I didn't know, sir. I come and get all them people on board the boat. I don't know if they want the alcohol or I'm drinking alcohol. Okay. >> Thank you. Good day, Mr. Nicholas. How are you? >> Not too bad, mister. >> Thank you. I'm good. Um, I just want you to take us slowly from Soufrière to Anse Cochon on your own time. We have listened to you. I think we have a fairly good understanding as to what you have said. But even before that I would like to ask you one question because it is very important to understand that also. 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Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":21809,"char_end":22844,"first_asr_turn":366,"last_asr_turn":381,"raw_text":">> You didn't drink anything or eat anything >> that would have impaired your judgment? >> No. >> Okay. So, let's take us slowly because you said the sea in terms of the sea condition, you said it was not bad, but it was choppy. >> Yeah. So my first question to you is to explain Choppy in terms of you being a seasoned fisherman. Is it a case where you were bouncing or there was just a slight movement? >> Bouncing. >> Bouncing. Yeah. >> Good. Would you as an captain a fisherman? >> Would you have a fisherman? Not a captain. >> Say again. >> I'm a fisherman, not a captain. >> Not a captain. Uh very well. So we have that. So would you have allowed yourself to be driven by somebody whether daytime or night time with the sea condition being what it was? Would you have allowed somebody to drive you this time of day? The sun is out but the sea is choppy the way it was. Would you have allowed somebody to drive a boat with you on board that way? >> Yes, sir. >> You would? >> Yeah. >> You were comfortable with it during the day? ","display_text":">> You didn't drink anything or eat anything >> that would have impaired your judgment? >> No. >> Okay. So, let's take us slowly because you said the sea in terms of the sea condition, you said it was not bad, but it was choppy. >> Yeah. So my first question to you is to explain Choppy in terms of you being a seasoned fisherman. Is it a case where you were bouncing or there was just a slight movement? >> Bouncing. >> Bouncing. Yeah. >> Good. Would you as an captain a fisherman? >> Would you have a fisherman? Not a captain. >> Say again. >> I'm a fisherman, not a captain. >> Not a captain. Uh very well. So we have that. So would you have allowed yourself to be driven by somebody whether daytime or night time with the sea condition being what it was? Would you have allowed somebody to drive you this time of day? The sun is out but the sea is choppy the way it was. Would you have allowed somebody to drive a boat with you on board that way? >> Yes, sir. >> You would? >> Yeah. >> You were comfortable with it during the day? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0366","P2-U0367","P2-U0368","P2-U0369","P2-U0370","P2-U0371","P2-U0372","P2-U0373","P2-U0374","P2-U0375","P2-U0376","P2-U0377","P2-U0378","P2-U0379","P2-U0380","P2-U0381"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-022","part":2,"ordinal":22,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":22844,"char_end":24117,"first_asr_turn":382,"last_asr_turn":395,"raw_text":">> During the day? Yeah. >> During the night? >> No, I wouldn't take it. >> Okay. >> God know he was ever so choppy out there. >> I wouldn't take it. >> Okay. So, Commissioner Dretes asked you earlier on in terms of seeing a head and we all understand that the configuration of the boat, the way the boat was built that you may not see ahead if you have a high bow. What I need to know is whether you saw anybody on board the boat you on board which was Ocean Angel. Yes, >> Angel. standing or sitting and relaying any conversation with the captain as to what he or she would have seen ahead of Ocean Angel. Was there anybody? >> Nobody sir. >> So it would be fair to say that there was not a lookout. Okay. >> Would it also be fair with your experience? Would it also be fair to say that there was no lights whatsoever? Whether white, red, or green on the boat? >> No type of light. >> No lights. >> Thank you. So my question now to give me a fair idea to give us a fair idea of the passage from Sufre to the point of the accident in your own judgment. How long did you think that boat ocean angel took from Sufre when it left to the point of the accident in terms of minutes? Just think, take your time. 3 days, 1 hour. Just give us your own. Leave it on 20 minutes too. ","display_text":">> During the day? Yeah. >> During the night? >> No, I wouldn't take it. >> Okay. >> God know he was ever so choppy out there. >> I wouldn't take it. >> Okay. So, Commissioner Dretes asked you earlier on in terms of seeing a head and we all understand that the configuration of the boat, the way the boat was built that you may not see ahead if you have a high bow. What I need to know is whether you saw anybody on board the boat you on board which was Ocean Angel. Yes, >> Angel. standing or sitting and relaying any conversation with the captain as to what he or she would have seen ahead of Ocean Angel. Was there anybody? >> Nobody sir. >> So it would be fair to say that there was not a lookout. Okay. >> Would it also be fair with your experience? Would it also be fair to say that there was no lights whatsoever? Whether white, red, or green on the boat? >> No type of light. >> No lights. >> Thank you. So my question now to give me a fair idea to give us a fair idea of the passage from Soufrière to the point of the accident in your own judgment. How long did you think that boat ocean angel took from Soufrière when it left to the point of the accident in terms of minutes? Just think, take your time. 3 days, 1 hour. Just give us your own. Leave it on 20 minutes too. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P2-023","part":2,"ordinal":23,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":24117,"char_end":25176,"first_asr_turn":396,"last_asr_turn":411,"raw_text":">> 20 minutes >> from the PF. >> 20 minutes. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. You also stated that you saw a life jacket floating. In fact, you saw life jackets floating. >> You took one. >> Yeah. and then you you try to assist yourself because of the pain to go onto the other uh >> the boat that was floating nearby. So my question to you is what was the captain of Ocean Angel doing at that point? >> I was fishing now I was looking forward I I I I couldn't watch the back to see him. >> Did you see him if he was sitting down? I I don't know if he was sitting or standing. >> I didn't understand what you just said. I didn't understand you. >> I don't know if he was sitting down or standing up at the time. >> Okay. >> Now, after the accident, you were in the water. Something the accident happened. So, you took 20 minutes from Sufre to Asco. Then there was the accident, right? >> We just taking it slowly stages. After the accident, did you see the captain of Ocean Angel doing anything in the water? >> He had his stone and I you were trying to call somebody. ","display_text":">> 20 minutes >> from the PF. >> 20 minutes. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. You also stated that you saw a life jacket floating. In fact, you saw life jackets floating. >> You took one. >> Yeah. and then you you try to assist yourself because of the pain to go onto the other uh >> the boat that was floating nearby. So my question to you is what was the captain of Ocean Angel doing at that point? >> I was fishing now I was looking forward I I I I couldn't watch the back to see him. >> Did you see him if he was sitting down? I I don't know if he was sitting or standing. >> I didn't understand what you just said. I didn't understand you. >> I don't know if he was sitting down or standing up at the time. >> Okay. >> Now, after the accident, you were in the water. Something the accident happened. So, you took 20 minutes from Soufrière to Anse Cochon. Then there was the accident, right? >> We just taking it slowly stages. After the accident, did you see the captain of Ocean Angel doing anything in the water? >> He had his stone and I you were trying to call somebody. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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But how many other persons or how many other vessels during your rescue was in that area? I already see our vessels and the one that come and save us for for a while. >> Say that again. I understand. >> I have seen my vessel I come on board and the one that come and save us. >> Okay. So in your own judgment as a fisher, how far from the land do you believe that you were at the point of the accident? Not too sure. Mr. ","display_text":">> Did you see anybody else? >> That's around you. >> That's when it was on top of the bow of the boat when it capsized. >> And at that point, it would be safe. Would you agree that it would be safe to say that there were persons calling for help in the water? >> I heard one voice calling for help. >> One voice, >> but he was on the boat making some calls. >> That's correct. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. My other question would have been in terms of Debbie, but as you explained, you were not sure what time she came on board. Her body came on board. >> Yeah. or whether it was before after you and we understood you had a a gash on the head. So, we kind of understand that. But how many other persons or how many other vessels during your rescue was in that area? I already see our vessels and the one that come and save us for for a while. >> Say that again. I understand. >> I have seen my vessel I come on board and the one that come and save us. >> Okay. So in your own judgment as a fisher, how far from the land do you believe that you were at the point of the accident? Not too sure. Mr. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Did you ask the captain to do anything in terms of his speed before the accident? >> No sir. >> Other than the girls, did any the two ladies? Sorry. If did anybody ask the captain to do anything in terms of adjusting his speed or going faster or stop? >> No worry. Nothing like that. before just before the accident or the impact so to speak, did you notice or did you feel the captain did anything with the vessel? Go left, go right, slow down the speed. >> Nothing that I just had a a loud noise. You didn't go left or right. Just a loud noise. >> Okay. And based on where you were sitting, you could just take your time. You were sitting on the port side, which would have been the left side of the vessel. In your own judgment, in your own words, would you feel that those vessels went straight on or there was a slight knock from sideways? ","display_text":">> Can you give us in terms of reference to utility poles, right? The poles on the street. Can you tell us how far if is 3400 poles? Just give us an idea. >> I couldn't even well see the show. >> Say again. >> I couldn't well see the sh >> But you were not sure the actual distance. Yeah. >> But you could you have seen the shore? >> I could have seen but not that close. >> Okay. Did you ask the captain to do anything in terms of his speed before the accident? >> No sir. >> Other than the girls, did any the two ladies? Sorry. If did anybody ask the captain to do anything in terms of adjusting his speed or going faster or stop? >> No worry. Nothing like that. before just before the accident or the impact so to speak, did you notice or did you feel the captain did anything with the vessel? Go left, go right, slow down the speed. >> Nothing that I just had a a loud noise. You didn't go left or right. Just a loud noise. >> Okay. And based on where you were sitting, you could just take your time. You were sitting on the port side, which would have been the left side of the vessel. In your own judgment, in your own words, would you feel that those vessels went straight on or there was a slight knock from sideways? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0426","P2-U0427","P2-U0428","P2-U0429","P2-U0430","P2-U0431","P2-U0432","P2-U0433","P2-U0434","P2-U0435","P2-U0436","P2-U0437","P2-U0438"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-026","part":2,"ordinal":26,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":27494,"char_end":28568,"first_asr_turn":439,"last_asr_turn":451,"raw_text":">> For myself, I was a a sideways thing. >> Sideways near where you were sitting. >> It was head on probably I would have died too. >> If it was head on, you believe you would have died? >> Because I was at the front. So in your fair judgment, you are comfortable to say that the impact would have been on the left side near where you were sitting. >> No, I think I I think it's on the right side. If it was on the left side, I would have be dead. >> Not directly on >> Sorry. You saying you were on the right side or the left? >> I was on the left side. >> You on the left side. >> You're on the left side. >> Yeah. So the do you believe again that if that vessel was going slower maybe the accident would have been avoided? >> Yeah. Yes sir. Yes sir. And my other question maybe not the final was during the voyage between Sufre and Aosha was the captain or anybody else consuming anything that would have caused their judgment to be different. Was the captain drinking water? Was he drinking apple juice or anything? Nobody wasn't drinking anything. No nothing like that ","display_text":">> For myself, I was a a sideways thing. >> Sideways near where you were sitting. >> It was head on probably I would have died too. >> If it was head on, you believe you would have died? >> Because I was at the front. So in your fair judgment, you are comfortable to say that the impact would have been on the left side near where you were sitting. >> No, I think I I think it's on the right side. If it was on the left side, I would have be dead. >> Not directly on >> Sorry. You saying you were on the right side or the left? >> I was on the left side. >> You on the left side. >> You're on the left side. >> Yeah. So the do you believe again that if that vessel was going slower maybe the accident would have been avoided? >> Yeah. Yes sir. Yes sir. And my other question maybe not the final was during the voyage between Soufrière and Anse Cochon was the captain or anybody else consuming anything that would have caused their judgment to be different. Was the captain drinking water? Was he drinking apple juice or anything? Nobody wasn't drinking anything. No nothing like that ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0439","P2-U0440","P2-U0441","P2-U0442","P2-U0443","P2-U0444","P2-U0445","P2-U0446","P2-U0447","P2-U0448","P2-U0449","P2-U0450","P2-U0451"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P2-C022","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufre → Soufrière. Same southern departure/return port repeatedly identified in this account; phonetic transcription variant of Soufrière. No route or timing claim changed. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P2-C023","title":"Reading correction","text":"Aosha → Anse Cochon. 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Are you sure that everyone because based on my writing I think you may have said seven of you eight of you left so >> yeah eight >> eight yes >> you sure it was eight and not 10 or a bigger figure >> it too >> eight >> so you sure that all those persons were accounted for after the accident again they were found. All persons were found after the accident. Are you sure? >> Um I don't know sir because all them time I was in hospital I didn't know anything going to happen again. So you were hospitalized after the accident >> because um they drop dropped me and Debbie and shot first and I didn't I didn't know for the rest and when I went into super hospital I see one to other set of partners there from the next boat. So how long after did you find out that there were other persons who may have lost their lives? In the hospital you ","display_text":">> or eating anything. >> Eating nothing. Not even smoking. >> Okay. >> So, are you sure that everybody who left on the vessel was accounted for after the accident or to date? >> Pardon sir. >> Say again. >> Pardon? Are you sure that everyone because based on my writing I think you may have said seven of you eight of you left so >> yeah eight >> eight yes >> you sure it was eight and not 10 or a bigger figure >> it too >> eight >> so you sure that all those persons were accounted for after the accident again they were found. All persons were found after the accident. Are you sure? >> Um I don't know sir because all them time I was in hospital I didn't know anything going to happen again. So you were hospitalized after the accident >> because um they drop dropped me and Debbie and shot first and I didn't I didn't know for the rest and when I went into Soufrière hospital I see one to other set of partners there from the next boat. So how long after did you find out that there were other persons who may have lost their lives? In the hospital you ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0452","P2-U0453","P2-U0454","P2-U0455","P2-U0456","P2-U0457","P2-U0458","P2-U0459","P2-U0460","P2-U0461","P2-U0462","P2-U0463","P2-U0464","P2-U0465","P2-U0466"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P2-C024","title":"Reading correction","text":"super → Soufrière. Repeated descriptions of the same post-rescue hospital arrival; adjacent Safari/Sufi and repeated hospital references identify Soufrière. Hospital-word spelling only; testimony and later surgical transfer preserved. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P2-028","part":2,"ordinal":28,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":29623,"char_end":30716,"first_asr_turn":467,"last_asr_turn":477,"raw_text":">> second please >> in the hospital. Okay you I had four people die but even the same night I heard that the next day when I wake up. Yeah. But B, so my my understanding of the rules engaging the sea, would it be safe to say that you were a passenger or a crew member of the vessel? >> You >> I was a passenger. >> Passenger. >> Not a crew member. >> So you were not working with the captain at the time. You were just riding. So it's it's important that we establish that you were not or you were a crew or passenger on the vessel. It's important and you use the term moderate with the first driver, sorry, the first captain. He was driving moderate I think you said. >> Yeah. More. >> And then the other one took over and then he went in your own description very fast. >> Yeah. Very fast. >> So could you describe moderate in terms of being on board? You very familiar with the sea. Could you describe moderate to us at least the speed in your own language so that we can understand? My the what I remember from your language is Tyran was going easy on the boat but Dylan was going faster. ","display_text":">> second please >> in the hospital. Okay you I had four people die but even the same night I heard that the next day when I wake up. Yeah. But B, so my my understanding of the rules engaging the sea, would it be safe to say that you were a passenger or a crew member of the vessel? >> You >> I was a passenger. >> Passenger. >> Not a crew member. >> So you were not working with the captain at the time. You were just riding. So it's it's important that we establish that you were not or you were a crew or passenger on the vessel. It's important and you use the term moderate with the first driver, sorry, the first captain. He was driving moderate I think you said. >> Yeah. More. >> And then the other one took over and then he went in your own description very fast. >> Yeah. Very fast. >> So could you describe moderate in terms of being on board? You very familiar with the sea. Could you describe moderate to us at least the speed in your own language so that we can understand? My the what I remember from your language is Tyran was going easy on the boat but Dylan was going faster. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0467","P2-U0468","P2-U0469","P2-U0470","P2-U0471","P2-U0472","P2-U0473","P2-U0474","P2-U0475","P2-U0476","P2-U0477"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-029","part":2,"ordinal":29,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":30716,"char_end":31786,"first_asr_turn":478,"last_asr_turn":491,"raw_text":">> Yes, >> that's what you said. >> Yes, sir. >> So, I I believe to to report Mr. Frederick's question. What then would you mean by Tyson was going easy on the boat? Because you didn't say moderate, you said easy. >> He was going slower tying. He was going slower the boat. >> Slower that you could have managed what was happening. >> Yes. >> In terms of the speed and the bounce and all of that. So you were not jumping off the seats. It was not slamming. It was manageable. You could have a work with that. And then the word that in your own words you said he will show him how to cap. And cap is the the local term for captain, right? >> Yes sir. >> So he will show him how to cap and then the speed. >> Okay. >> Fast speed. fast speed. And how long after the cap really begin when the speed came did the accident occurred in just give me an estimated time? Yes. >> How long after he took the boat from the first captain >> and to show him how to cap? How long after did the accident happen? minutes in terms of minutes. Sorry. Okay. Okay. So, let me you left sufra. ","display_text":">> Yes, >> that's what you said. >> Yes, sir. >> So, I I believe to to report Mr. Frederick's question. What then would you mean by Tyson was going easy on the boat? Because you didn't say moderate, you said easy. >> He was going slower tying. He was going slower the boat. >> Slower that you could have managed what was happening. >> Yes. >> In terms of the speed and the bounce and all of that. So you were not jumping off the seats. It was not slamming. It was manageable. You could have a work with that. And then the word that in your own words you said he will show him how to cap. And cap is the the local term for captain, right? >> Yes sir. >> So he will show him how to cap and then the speed. >> Okay. >> Fast speed. fast speed. And how long after the cap really begin when the speed came did the accident occurred in just give me an estimated time? Yes. >> How long after he took the boat from the first captain >> and to show him how to cap? How long after did the accident happen? minutes in terms of minutes. Sorry. Okay. Okay. So, let me, you left Soufrière. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0478","P2-U0479","P2-U0480","P2-U0481","P2-U0482","P2-U0483","P2-U0484","P2-U0485","P2-U0486","P2-U0487","P2-U0488","P2-U0489","P2-U0490","P2-U0491"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P2-C025","title":"Reading correction","text":"sufra → Soufrière. Same southern departure/return port repeatedly identified in this account; phonetic transcription variant of Soufrière. No route or timing claim changed. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1-V2-C030","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"So, let me you left Soufrière. → So, let me, you left Soufrière.. Reviewer inserted a comma after me. Retain established accented Soufrière spelling rather than treating unaccented copied text as a new change. "}]},{"id":"P2-030","part":2,"ordinal":30,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":31786,"char_end":32998,"first_asr_turn":492,"last_asr_turn":500,"raw_text":">> Yes. Then you have an Shassley you have um the different points Canaries let's just put it as Betty then you have Canaries as you go along going up north so at what point did he took the the boat from the first captain >> it's Afton Shass >> Afton Shass >> so the first captain took it from Sufre went around the cove yes >> and then when you get the stretch to come straight up. He took it from him. >> So between Anshass that is outside of the reef correct to the point of the accident. How many minutes you think that may have taken before the accident from taking the boat to the accident? How many minutes? around 15 16 minutes sir >> 15 >> 16 minutes >> so it would be fair to say that the would you agree that from the supra jetti to go round to anastas It took the first captain just a little over 5 minutes. Correct? That would be almost one/3 of the distance you travel if we if we look at it that way. And the other 2/3 of the of the um the journey, the route would have been completed in 15 minutes 15 16 minutes with the sea condition not being as calm as it was inside Port Sufre which is usually kind of controlled. So it would be fair to say that that that boat was flying. You agree with me? ","display_text":">> Yes. Then you have Anse Chastanet you have um the different points Canaries let's just put it as Betty then you have Canaries as you go along going up north so at what point did he took the the boat from the first captain >> that’s after Anse Chastanet >> Afton Shass >> so the first captain took it from Soufrière went around the cove yes >> and then when you get the stretch to come straight up. He took it from him. >> So between Anse Chastanet that is outside of the reef correct to the point of the accident. How many minutes you think that may have taken before the accident from taking the boat to the accident? How many minutes? around 15 16 minutes sir >> 15 >> 16 minutes >> so it would be fair to say that the, would you agree that from the Soufrière jetty to go round to Anse Chastanet It took the first captain just a little over 5 minutes. Correct? That would be almost 1/3 of the distance you travel if we if we look at it that way. And the other 2/3 of the of the um the journey, the route would have been completed in 15 minutes 15 16 minutes with the sea condition not being as calm as it was inside Port Soufrière which is usually kind of controlled. So it would be fair to say that that that boat was flying. You agree with me? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0492","P2-U0493","P2-U0494","P2-U0495","P2-U0496","P2-U0497","P2-U0498","P2-U0499","P2-U0500"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P2-C026","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufre → Soufrière. Same southern departure/return port repeatedly identified in this account; phonetic transcription variant of Soufrière. No route or timing claim changed. 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"},{"id":"D1-V2-C033","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"So between Anshass → So between Anse Chastanet. Both overlapping responses agree on the later landmark name. Apply once. "},{"id":"D1-V2-C034","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"so it would be fair to say that the would you agree → so it would be fair to say that the, would you agree. Reviewer inserted a comma to retain the examiner’s restart without rewriting it. "},{"id":"D1-V2-C035","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"Soufrière jetti to go round to anastas → Soufrière jetty to go round to Anse Chastanet. Reviewer corrected the jetty spelling and landmark. Retain the v1 accented Soufrière spelling. "},{"id":"D1-V2-C036","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"almost one/3 of the distance → almost 1/3 of the distance. Reviewer standardized one/3 to 1/3. This changes numeral tokenization, not the stated fraction or any journey time. "},{"id":"D1-R22","title":"Review item still open","text":"First reply corrected to that’s after Anse Chastanet. The second repetition is held because R23 includes an additional After. The overlapping R23 response includes After in the second reply, while R22 omits it. Neither copied context should silently win."},{"id":"D1-R23","title":"Review item still open","text":"The later between Anse Chastanet reference applied. The shared second reply remains held pending the After question. Second reply requires deciding Anse Chastanet versus After Anse Chastanet. Retain original Afton Shass at that single held location in this conservative patch proposal."}]},{"id":"P2-031","part":2,"ordinal":31,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":32998,"char_end":34140,"first_asr_turn":501,"last_asr_turn":522,"raw_text":">> Yes sir. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Mr. Nicholas, I have one question for you. When the second captain took over and was captain in the vessel, were you frightened for your life? >> Not really. Yes, sir. >> Was that >> Not really, mister? Not not really. >> You weren't? >> Really? So it was the the vessel was not going fast enough for you as a fisherman >> to be frightened. >> It was going fast for me, but I didn't I had no problem. >> Are you a good swimmer? >> Yes, sir. >> Why didn't you put on a life jacket? >> I wasn't on my mind. It wasn't on my mind. >> What was on your mind? >> Your life jacket? It was on my mind. >> What was on your mind? >> To reach go >> to reach the party. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Just to be clear in terms of numbers, you you did say what you said amounted to there were a total of nine persons on board the boat. Eight persons. >> I from the my count it was eight plus you let let's go over the names you get. The boat was headed to Galilee when I boarded it. Tyrone 1, Roxan 2, Debbie 3, A Girl from Shiselle 4, Bradley 5, Marvin 6, Molly 7, or Marley 7, sorry, the captain 8, and I nine. ","display_text":">> Yes sir. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Mr. Nicholas, I have one question for you. When the second captain took over and was captain in the vessel, were you frightened for your life? >> Not really. Yes, sir. >> Was that >> Not really, mister? Not not really. >> You weren't? >> Really? So it was the the vessel was not going fast enough for you as a fisherman >> to be frightened. >> It was going fast for me, but I didn't I had no problem. >> Are you a good swimmer? >> Yes, sir. >> Why didn't you put on a life jacket? >> I wasn't on my mind. It wasn't on my mind. >> What was on your mind? >> Your life jacket? It was on my mind. >> What was on your mind? >> To reach go >> to reach the party. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Just to be clear in terms of numbers, you you did say what you said amounted to there were a total of nine persons on board the boat. Eight persons. >> I from the my count it was eight plus you let let's go over the names you get. The boat was headed to Gros Islet when I boarded it. Tyrone 1, Roxan 2, Debbie 3, A Girl from Choiseul 4, Bradley 5, Marvin 6, Molly 7, or Marley 7, sorry, the captain 8, and I nine. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P2-032","part":2,"ordinal":32,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":34140,"char_end":35153,"first_asr_turn":523,"last_asr_turn":542,"raw_text":">> Yes, that's that's what you told us. It amounted to nine people. You and eight other people on board. Yeah. I mean, a while ago you said eight or whatever, but from what you said, it totals nine people. So, just just to make sure, Tyran was on the boat. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Roxan was on the boat. >> Yeah. >> Debbie was on the boat. >> Yeah. >> There was a a a lady from Shiselle whose name you do not know. >> Yeah. >> Bradley was on the boat. >> That's right. >> Mi was on the boat. >> Mali was on the boat. >> Yeah. >> The captain was on the boat. That's Dylan. Dylan and you on the boat. Yeah, that's night. Believe me, that's nine. You said I'm looking for the note where I had it. You said that you never told Dylan to slow down. >> No. >> You also said nobody ever did. >> Nobody. >> But you had said something a little different earlier. You had said the three girls >> told him to slow down. You remember saying that? I can look for the specific place for you. I remember. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yes. ","display_text":">> Yes, that's that's what you told us. It amounted to nine people. You and eight other people on board. Yeah. I mean, a while ago you said eight or whatever, but from what you said, it totals nine people. So, just just to make sure, Tyran was on the boat. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Roxan was on the boat. >> Yeah. >> Debbie was on the boat. >> Yeah. >> There was a a a lady from Choiseul whose name you do not know. >> Yeah. >> Bradley was on the boat. >> That's right. >> Mi was on the boat. >> Mali was on the boat. >> Yeah. >> The captain was on the boat. That's Dylan. Dylan and you on the boat. Yeah, that's night. Believe me, that's nine. You said I'm looking for the note where I had it. You said that you never told Dylan to slow down. >> No. >> You also said nobody ever did. >> Nobody. >> But you had said something a little different earlier. You had said the three girls >> told him to slow down. You remember saying that? I can look for the specific place for you. I remember. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Yes. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0523","P2-U0524","P2-U0525","P2-U0526","P2-U0527","P2-U0528","P2-U0529","P2-U0530","P2-U0531","P2-U0532","P2-U0533","P2-U0534","P2-U0535","P2-U0536","P2-U0537","P2-U0538","P2-U0539","P2-U0540","P2-U0541","P2-U0542"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P2-C031","title":"Reading correction","text":"Shiselle → Choiseul. Repeated phonetic variants for the same unnamed female passenger’s home locality; clear Choiseul place-name spelling, without identifying the passenger. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P2-033","part":2,"ordinal":33,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"elias","char_start":35153,"char_end":36183,"first_asr_turn":543,"last_asr_turn":547,"raw_text":">> Yeah. So, you did say that you didn't complain about speed, but the three girls, as you put it, the three ladies who were on the boat, they complained about speed. Yes. And you also said that after they did that, you said Dylan didn't listen. By which I understood you to mean he did not take heed. He did not when they said so, he did not slow down as a result of them saying so. In fact, he didn't say anything. He just continued at his speed. That's what I understood you to be saying when you gave your evidence earlier on. Is that correct? >> That's good. >> Okay. Because you said you put it a little differently when you answering questions, but I think these were the clarifications I had. Anything anybody else wants to ask? Yeah. Nothing. Nothing. Uh, very much, Mr. Nicholas. It appeared to me that you were trying your best to remember as much as possible what happened. Uh I I got that impression. You were trying your best. >> Thank you. >> And you were trying to avoid saying anything that you were not sure of. ","display_text":">> Yeah. So, you did say that you didn't complain about speed, but the three girls, as you put it, the three ladies who were on the boat, they complained about speed. Yes. And you also said that after they did that, you said Dylan didn't listen. By which I understood you to mean he did not take heed. He did not when they said so, he did not slow down as a result of them saying so. In fact, he didn't say anything. He just continued at his speed. That's what I understood you to be saying when you gave your evidence earlier on. Is that correct? >> That's good. >> Okay. Because you said you put it a little differently when you answering questions, but I think these were the clarifications I had. Anything anybody else wants to ask? Yeah. Nothing. Nothing. Uh, very much, Mr. Nicholas. It appeared to me that you were trying your best to remember as much as possible what happened. Uh I I got that impression. You were trying your best. >> Thank you. >> And you were trying to avoid saying anything that you were not sure of. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So chair, we have two more witnesses, Mr. Arinus Pascal and Mr. Tyson Hippolit. Mr. Mr. Hillet is already here. >> Ireanius Pascal and so Mr. Hippilit is he was the captain of Kaza. >> I'm sorry I didn't get I'm sorry >> Mr. Hipp. So the next two persons were from the other vessel Kaza Jr. >> And are they both here? >> Yes. >> And Mr. Irreaneous passenger. >> He's seated outside. >> Uh just just remind me he was passenger or crew. >> He's a owner of >> Ah okay. Yes. Yes. I remember now. >> Yes. >> Yes. So Mr. Hippo I think we should do him first or do This ","display_text":">> So at the you what you have said to us is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. >> Yes. >> And is there anything you wish to add to what you have said? No, Mr. >> Okay. And uh Mr. Hipplet, is there anything you would like to ask Mr. Nicholas? No. >> Okay. You may step down. >> All right. Thank you. >> And as I said to other witnesses, it is always possible that you may be recalled. Not likely, but possible. Yes, sir. Okay. So chair, we have two more witnesses, Mr. Arinus Pascal and Mr. Tyson Hippolit. Mr. Mr. Hillet is already here. >> Ireanius Pascal and so Mr. Hippilit is he was the captain of Kaza. >> I'm sorry I didn't get I'm sorry >> Mr. Hipp. So the next two persons were from the other vessel Kaza Jr. >> And are they both here? >> Yes. >> And Mr. Irreaneous passenger. >> He's seated outside. >> Uh just just remind me he was passenger or crew. >> He's a owner of >> Ah okay. Yes. Yes. I remember now. >> Yes. >> Yes. So Mr. Hippo I think we should do him first or do This ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Uh Mr. If you can you state your name, >> your occupation and your address? >> Did you on the 21st of July 2026 give a statement to the police about what happened on the night of of Saturday 18th July 2026? >> Yes, sir. Were you shown a copy of that statement today? >> Yeah. >> And does the statement accurately reflect what you said to to the police officer on that day? >> Mhm. >> Yes. Yes, sir. Yeah. >> And you wish to stand by that statement as being true and correct? Is there anything you wish to add to the statement that you made? >> Nope. You you left Soure at about 300 p.m. on 18th July 2026 to head to Gillate. Mhm. And you were the captain of the boat on that trip. >> Chair, excuse me. Just for the purposes of the records, I'd prefer if you spoke into the microphone so I can capture your your response on record. So don't just shake your head. ","display_text":">> I Tyson Hippy >> do solemnly swear >> solemnly swear >> to tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth >> and nothing but the truth. So help me God. Remember that Mr. The hipplet is very tongue. Sorry. No, the way you said that you see I have good understanding. >> Okay. He has been sworn. Okay. Yes. Uh Mr. If you can you state your name, >> your occupation and your address? >> Did you on the 21st of July 2026 give a statement to the police about what happened on the night of of Saturday 18th July 2026? >> Yes, sir. Were you shown a copy of that statement today? >> Yeah. >> And does the statement accurately reflect what you said to to the police officer on that day? >> Mhm. >> Yes. Yes, sir. Yeah. >> And you wish to stand by that statement as being true and correct? Is there anything you wish to add to the statement that you made? >> Nope. You you left Soufrière at about 300 p.m. on 18th July 2026 to head to Gros Islet. Mhm. And you were the captain of the boat on that trip. >> Chair, excuse me. Just for the purposes of the records, I'd prefer if you spoke into the microphone so I can capture your your response on record. So don't just shake your head. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0567","P2-U0568","P2-U0569","P2-U0570","P2-U0571","P2-U0572","P2-U0573","P2-U0574","P2-U0575","P2-U0576","P2-U0577","P2-U0578","P2-U0579","P2-U0580","P2-U0581","P2-U0582","P2-U0583"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P2-C032","title":"Reading correction","text":"Soure → Soufrière. Same southern departure/return port repeatedly identified in this account; phonetic transcription variant of Soufrière. No route or timing claim changed. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P2-C033","title":"Reading correction","text":"Gillate → Gros Islet. Northbound destination and return origin in the clearly established Soufrière–Gros Islet trip. Phonetic transcription variant; no narrower landing site inferred. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P2-036","part":2,"ordinal":36,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":38365,"char_end":39598,"first_asr_turn":584,"last_asr_turn":598,"raw_text":">> Yes. Thank you. Huh? So on the way back from Gile back to Sufra. There were nine of you on the boat headed back to Sufra. >> Yep. >> And that boat was Kazola Jr. Mhm. Yes. Yes, sir. >> Did you captain the boat on the way back? >> Well, up and down. >> I beg your pardon? >> On the way up and on the way down. >> Very well. >> Yeah. Did you have a license to operate the boat JR? >> Yeah. Well, not his boat, but I have a license. Not well, the license doesn't say if you have to operate which particular boat. So, I have a license, but how to operate this boat? The license that you have, the license that you have, was it a license that was valid until July? I'm coming, sir. >> I I I don't know when last I look into that. So, >> just just a minute. Was it a license that expired on the 18th of July, 2015? >> I don't know. If you see the license, would you recognize it? >> Maybe. Anybody have a copy? I will show you a boat license and tell me if you recognize it as your license. Mhm. >> So that was that's the license that you had for the boat to operate the boat. And do you recognize that it expired on the 18th of July 2015? So, do you agree that that means for 11 years you've been driving around boats with no license? ","display_text":">> Yes. Thank you. Huh? So on the way back from Gros Islet back to Soufrière. There were nine of you on the boat headed back to Soufrière. >> Yep. >> And that boat was Kazola Jr. Mhm. Yes. Yes, sir. >> Did you captain the boat on the way back? >> Well, up and down. >> I beg your pardon? >> On the way up and on the way down. >> Very well. >> Yeah. Did you have a license to operate the boat JR? >> Yeah. Well, not his boat, but I have a license. Not well, the license doesn't say if you have to operate which particular boat. So, I have a license, but how to operate this boat? The license that you have, the license that you have, was it a license that was valid until July? I'm coming, sir. >> I I I don't know when last I look into that. So, >> just just a minute. Was it a license that expired on the 18th of July, 2015? >> I don't know. If you see the license, would you recognize it? >> Maybe. Anybody have a copy? I will show you a boat license and tell me if you recognize it as your license. Mhm. >> So that was that's the license that you had for the boat to operate the boat. And do you recognize that it expired on the 18th of July 2015? So, do you agree that that means for 11 years you've been driving around boats with no license? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0584","P2-U0585","P2-U0586","P2-U0587","P2-U0588","P2-U0589","P2-U0590","P2-U0591","P2-U0592","P2-U0593","P2-U0594","P2-U0595","P2-U0596","P2-U0597","P2-U0598"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P2-C034","title":"Reading correction","text":"Gile → Gros Islet. Northbound destination and return origin in the clearly established Soufrière–Gros Islet trip. Phonetic transcription variant; no narrower landing site inferred. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P2-C035","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufra → Soufrière. Same southern departure/return port repeatedly identified in this account; phonetic transcription variant of Soufrière. No route or timing claim changed. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P2-C036","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufra → Soufrière. Same southern departure/return port repeatedly identified in this account; phonetic transcription variant of Soufrière. No route or timing claim changed. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P2-037","part":2,"ordinal":37,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":39598,"char_end":40614,"first_asr_turn":599,"last_asr_turn":619,"raw_text":">> No, that's why that's why I wasn't paying it because I don't I not driving boats with I not driving boats. >> So, from 2015 to now, you have not been driving boats. >> No, no, no. Boats operating. I don't mind going. >> I beg your pardon. >> Speak speak into the mic. >> No, no, >> but you were driving one >> mine as a fisherman. >> No, no. I'm talking about you were driving you were driving that boat on the night of of Friday of Saturday 18th July. >> Mhm. >> Yes. It was the first time you had driven a boat in in 11 years apart from your fishing boat. >> Yeah. >> It was the first time. >> Yeah. No, no, no. I don't drive other boats anyway. I beg your pardon? >> I don't drive the bus, but this time I'm sir. >> Okay. I think probably no other boat than my boat. >> So for 11 years, the only time you drove a boat apart from your fishing boat >> was on the night of 18th of July. >> Well, I only drove this boat maybe three three to four times. >> You drove it >> about four times. about three I would say ","display_text":">> No, that's why that's why I wasn't paying it because I don't I not driving boats with I not driving boats. >> So, from 2015 to now, you have not been driving boats. >> No, no, no. Boats operating. I don't mind going. >> I beg your pardon. >> Speak speak into the mic. >> No, no, >> but you were driving one >> mine as a fisherman. >> No, no. I'm talking about you were driving you were driving that boat on the night of of Friday of Saturday 18th July. >> Mhm. >> Yes. It was the first time you had driven a boat in in 11 years apart from your fishing boat. >> Yeah. >> It was the first time. >> Yeah. No, no, no. I don't drive other boats anyway. I beg your pardon? >> I don't drive the bus, but this time I'm sir. >> Okay. I think probably no other boat than my boat. >> So for 11 years, the only time you drove a boat apart from your fishing boat >> was on the night of 18th of July. >> Well, I only drove this boat maybe three three to four times. >> You drove it >> about four times. about three I would say ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0599","P2-U0600","P2-U0601","P2-U0602","P2-U0603","P2-U0604","P2-U0605","P2-U0606","P2-U0607","P2-U0608","P2-U0609","P2-U0610","P2-U0611","P2-U0612","P2-U0613","P2-U0614","P2-U0615","P2-U0616","P2-U0617","P2-U0618","P2-U0619"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-038","part":2,"ordinal":38,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":40614,"char_end":41691,"first_asr_turn":620,"last_asr_turn":638,"raw_text":">> about three or four times. Yeah. >> In 11 years. >> Yep. >> Yes. And apart from driving his boat about three or four times in 11 years, there's no other boat you were driving. Let me finish ask you the question so that you show when what you're answering is what I'm asking. So you are saying that between the 18th of July 2015 and the 18th of July 2026 a period of exactly 11 years that during those 11 years apart from driving your fishing boat you drove Gazola Kazola JR about three or four times and you drove no other boat during those 11 years. Interesting. On that night, while you were engrossing, were you consuming alcohol? >> Yeah. What the hell? At least free pizza. >> I beg your pardon? >> At least. At least three pon. Three to four. >> At least. >> At least. Yeah. Three. >> At least what? >> Three pito. >> At least three p. >> What about four? >> Maybe four. >> Maybe. Maybe four. Yeah. Maybe >> could be five as well. >> No. >> So, let me see. Maybe four. Not five. >> Okay. And apart from maybe four beers, four pich were you drinking any other alcohol? ","display_text":">> about three or four times. Yeah. >> In 11 years. >> Yep. >> Yes. And apart from driving his boat about three or four times in 11 years, there's no other boat you were driving. Let me finish ask you the question so that you show when what you're answering is what I'm asking. So you are saying that between the 18th of July 2015 and the 18th of July 2026 a period of exactly 11 years that during those 11 years apart from driving your fishing boat you drove Cazorla Jr. about three or four times and you drove no other boat during those 11 years. Interesting. On that night, while you were in Gros Islet, were you consuming alcohol? >> Yeah. What I had? At least three Piton. >> I beg your pardon? >> At least. At least three Piton. Three to four. >> At least. >> At least. Yeah. Three. >> At least what? >> Three pito. >> At least three p. >> What about four? >> Maybe four. >> Maybe. Maybe four. Yeah. Maybe >> could be five as well. >> No. >> So, let me see. Maybe four. Not five. >> Okay. And apart from maybe four beers, four pich were you drinking any other alcohol? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0620","P2-U0621","P2-U0622","P2-U0623","P2-U0624","P2-U0625","P2-U0626","P2-U0627","P2-U0628","P2-U0629","P2-U0630","P2-U0631","P2-U0632","P2-U0633","P2-U0634","P2-U0635","P2-U0636","P2-U0637","P2-U0638"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1-V2-C037","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"Gazola Kazola JR → Cazorla Jr.. 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Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":41691,"char_end":42843,"first_asr_turn":639,"last_asr_turn":649,"raw_text":">> No, I don't drink any other alcohol. Yes. You don't drink any other? >> No. >> Okay. The owner of the boat said that he had made at least four rounds of drinks. for for you and the others who were with you at the time at least 4 hours for each of one at least one bear for each of each of you. >> Mhm. >> Would is that is that a a correct statement? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so you agree that that Irene Inas had bought at least four bears for each one of you. He also said that apart from that, y'all were there and y'all may have been drinking other alcohol apart from the four bears that he he gave to each of y'all. Would that be correct? >> I don't know. I only drink pizza and I only add I don't drink any other alcohol. I don't know. >> So, you're not sure whether you had drinks apart from the four pit or that? No, >> nothing. Just Just the four. Just the four people. >> Just the four. I think I know what happened. Miss Joseph, I gave you my statement for um for officer guard. I don't think I got it back cuz I've been looking for my statement from for Irene Paul and I don't seem to have it. And I recall giving it for um for Yes. Anyway, ","display_text":">> No, I don't drink any other alcohol. Yes. You don't drink any other? >> No. >> Okay. The owner of the boat said that he had made at least four rounds of drinks. for for you and the others who were with you at the time at least 4 hours for each of one at least one bear for each of each of you. >> Mhm. >> Would is that is that a a correct statement? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, so you agree that that Irene Inas had bought at least four bears for each one of you. He also said that apart from that, y'all were there and y'all may have been drinking other alcohol apart from the four bears that he he gave to each of y'all. Would that be correct? >> I don't know. I only drink pizza and I only add I don't drink any other alcohol. I don't know. >> So, you're not sure whether you had drinks apart from the four pit or that? No, >> nothing. Just Just the four. Just the four people. >> Just the four. I think I know what happened. Miss Joseph, I gave you my statement for um for officer guard. I don't think I got it back cuz I've been looking for my statement from for Irene Paul and I don't seem to have it. And I recall giving it for um for Yes. Anyway, ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0639","P2-U0640","P2-U0641","P2-U0642","P2-U0643","P2-U0644","P2-U0645","P2-U0646","P2-U0647","P2-U0648","P2-U0649"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-040","part":2,"ordinal":40,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":42843,"char_end":43917,"first_asr_turn":650,"last_asr_turn":666,"raw_text":">> I think you gave it to the officer to show him maybe, but not to me. >> Okay. >> I've never seen the full um statement. >> Okay. Very well. So, but you are agreeing that you had at least four pure bears. >> Mhm. But you are saying that apart from those four Peter Bears, you did not have any other alcoholic beverage. >> Well, I only drink I'm a bear drinker boss. I only drink bears. I don't drink any other things than be that's it. >> So upon consuming four bears, you does it do anything to you? >> No, man. >> Nothing? >> No. So why you waste your money buying bears? >> Huh? >> So why are you wasting your money buying beers if it's not making any difference? >> No, but that's what I like. That's what I drink most. What do you like? >> Juice. >> Well, you drink juice then. >> Yeah. So you're saying that you can drink four bears and you just you're able to >> you're able to drive a boat with nine people on board and don't get into any accidents or anything. anything. Yeah, I love this very Mr. Good day. How are you? Come on. Okay. Captain Lu Podial DP 2016. ","display_text":">> I think you gave it to the officer to show him maybe, but not to me. >> Okay. >> I've never seen the full um statement. >> Okay. Very well. So, but you are agreeing that you had at least four pure bears. >> Mhm. But you are saying that apart from those four Peter Bears, you did not have any other alcoholic beverage. >> Well, I only drink I'm a bear drinker boss. I only drink bears. I don't drink any other things than be that's it. >> So upon consuming four bears, you does it do anything to you? >> No, man. >> Nothing? >> No. So why you waste your money buying bears? >> Huh? >> So why are you wasting your money buying beers if it's not making any difference? >> No, but that's what I like. That's what I drink most. What do you like? >> Juice. >> Well, you drink juice then. >> Yeah. So you're saying that you can drink four bears and you just you're able to >> you're able to drive a boat with nine people on board and don't get into any accidents or anything. anything. Yeah, I love this very Mr. Good day. How are you? Come on. Okay. Captain Lu Podial DP 2016. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0650","P2-U0651","P2-U0652","P2-U0653","P2-U0654","P2-U0655","P2-U0656","P2-U0657","P2-U0658","P2-U0659","P2-U0660","P2-U0661","P2-U0662","P2-U0663","P2-U0664","P2-U0665","P2-U0666"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-041","part":2,"ordinal":41,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":43917,"char_end":44918,"first_asr_turn":667,"last_asr_turn":675,"raw_text":">> Mhm. May we see the chairman commission that OP 2026 Six. Yeah. Yellow toe. May serve that listen party. district. as some of your idea key captain. Yeah. Key speed. What speed were you traveling on? Key 150 horsepower. I'll see 3,000 RPM 4,000 150 horsepower. 150 horsepower 3,000 35 4,000 what you get maybe roughly let me say 20 24 knots about roughly so 4,000 or 35 at least >> so not go this >> RPM in RPM >> RPM 3,000 RPM 35 roughly since 24 20 24 >> 20 to 24 >> and that well that's what I under 150 horsepower at least Moon. Okay. Kimita roughly 45. 50 minutes 45 because speed 4,000 at least 45. Okay. Right. Okay. life jacket. Don't sell yourself. life jacket. Mhm. Amen. Life jacket. Oh, you prefer me English. Okay. Okay. So, Navigation lights. Navigation light on 100% sure. >> 100% sure. So you want to go in English now? I can go. >> We can continue. So before the accident, did you see any other lights in the area you were navigating? >> No, only the lights. Only the show lights. ","display_text":">> Mhm. May we see the chairman commission that OP 2026 Six. Yeah. Yellow toe. May serve that listen party. district. as some of your idea key captain. Yeah. Key speed. What speed were you traveling on? Key 150 horsepower. I'll see 3,000 RPM 4,000 150 horsepower. 150 horsepower 3,000 35 4,000 what you get maybe roughly let me say 20 24 knots about roughly so 4,000 or 35 at least >> so not go this >> RPM in RPM >> RPM 3,000 RPM 35 roughly since 24 20 24 >> 20 to 24 >> and that well that's what I under 150 horsepower at least Moon. Okay. Kimita roughly 45. 50 minutes 45 because speed 4,000 at least 45. Okay. Right. Okay. life jacket. Don't sell yourself. life jacket. Mhm. Amen. Life jacket. Oh, you prefer me English. Okay. Okay. So, Navigation lights. Navigation light on 100% sure. >> 100% sure. So you want to go in English now? I can go. >> We can continue. So before the accident, did you see any other lights in the area you were navigating? >> No, only the lights. Only the show lights. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0667","P2-U0668","P2-U0669","P2-U0670","P2-U0671","P2-U0672","P2-U0673","P2-U0674","P2-U0675"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-042","part":2,"ordinal":42,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":44918,"char_end":45980,"first_asr_turn":676,"last_asr_turn":691,"raw_text":">> Only the shore lights. >> How far from the shore were you? by direct line utility poles. >> Yes. Just use reference to >> free utility poles. >> Mr. DJ, you know um you know exactly where it is by direct to shoreline. What you think >> your judgment? That's what we ask. >> At least that's what I say. >> So you say free utility poles at least. It could have been more but >> could have been more but kind of Yeah. Okay, thank you. So my next question to you is were there any other vessel? Okay. So, how dark was it and what was the weather like on that night? >> Weather visibility was all right. Good weather was good. Delta Delta stars bel. >> Was the moon out? >> Yeah, Delta. >> Okay. But if the moon was out, you would have seen the wash. I bought this because no see. >> Okay. >> But since you spoke about slow down. All right. The rules engage that if the rules concerning safe speed indicate that if you are traveling and the visibility Mhm. >> We just So my next question is at the point of the accident, what did you do after you felt the impact? ","display_text":">> Only the shore lights. >> How far from the shore were you? by direct line utility poles. >> Yes. Just use reference to >> free utility poles. >> Mr. DJ, you know um you know exactly where it is by direct to shoreline. What you think >> your judgment? That's what we ask. >> At least that's what I say. >> So you say free utility poles at least. It could have been more but >> could have been more but kind of Yeah. Okay, thank you. So my next question to you is were there any other vessel? Okay. So, how dark was it and what was the weather like on that night? >> Weather visibility was all right. Good weather was good. Delta Delta stars bel. >> Was the moon out? >> Yeah, Delta. >> Okay. But if the moon was out, you would have seen the wash. I bought this because no see. >> Okay. >> But since you spoke about slow down. All right. The rules engage that if the rules concerning safe speed indicate that if you are traveling and the visibility Mhm. >> We just So my next question is at the point of the accident, what did you do after you felt the impact? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0676","P2-U0677","P2-U0678","P2-U0679","P2-U0680","P2-U0681","P2-U0682","P2-U0683","P2-U0684","P2-U0685","P2-U0686","P2-U0687","P2-U0688","P2-U0689","P2-U0690","P2-U0691"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-043","part":2,"ordinal":43,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":45980,"char_end":47005,"first_asr_turn":692,"last_asr_turn":709,"raw_text":">> I mean, you mean the minute it happened? >> Yes. What did you do immediately? >> I guess well, I was the one that put the boat in again. I was down to put the boat in neutral but in neutral for sure yours in neutral. >> Yeah. As soon as f neutral one time that's it here. I sleep the same place. Put the boat in neutral and just stay the same place behind my wheel. That's it. >> Did you call anybody? >> No. People call. >> Second place. >> People call but I didn't call anyone. >> Do you have a phone? You mean if people call me? >> No call. Did you make a call? Who did you call? You in an accident? >> No, no, no. My all I My phone was in the cabin in the um how do you say it? >> The cons the steering box. >> The console. >> Yeah, it was in the console. Yeah. >> Did you make any attempts to call anybody? >> No. >> Any particular reason why you didn't? >> Because people was calling for help. in by rescue the minute I the minute I put the boat in neutral I'll say seconds after I fell in water and saved two lives ","display_text":">> I mean, you mean the minute it happened? >> Yes. What did you do immediately? >> I guess well, I was the one that put the boat in again. I was down to put the boat in neutral but in neutral for sure yours in neutral. >> Yeah. As soon as f neutral one time that's it here. I sleep the same place. Put the boat in neutral and just stay the same place behind my wheel. That's it. >> Did you call anybody? >> No. People call. >> Second place. >> People call but I didn't call anyone. >> Do you have a phone? You mean if people call me? >> No call. Did you make a call? Who did you call? You in an accident? >> No, no, no. My all I My phone was in the cabin in the um how do you say it? >> The cons the steering box. >> The console. >> Yeah, it was in the console. Yeah. >> Did you make any attempts to call anybody? >> No. >> Any particular reason why you didn't? >> Because people was calling for help. in by rescue the minute I the minute I put the boat in neutral I'll say seconds after I fell in water and saved two lives ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":47005,"char_end":48204,"first_asr_turn":710,"last_asr_turn":721,"raw_text":">> okay so that is what I was asking what did you do immediately after you you and you said you excuse you said you jump into the water to rescue persons >> did you have a lookout on your vessel >> on which one >> on your vessel the vessel that you were captain in did you have a lookout Yeah. >> Did the lookout see anything? >> No. >> So there was communication between you and your lookout and nothing was seen. >> Nothing was seen. >> Did you account for everybody that was on your vessel? >> Okay. So nephew noch So okay for me lighthouse for me pilot boat for Noitor. Okay. Huh? Well, all right. there. >> Messi, >> Mr. Hibolit, the captain before you, he answered the same thing to the commission that you just answered that he did not call the lighthouse. You said you did not call the lighthouse. Tell this commission in practice what happens. I mean give us a general sense. You you you travel on other boats. You you you captain boats yourself. Tell tell us what what happens when you you as a fisherman leave. You leaving Sufre to go out fishing or you leaving the pot of Sufre to another pot with people on board. What do you do? What do other captains do? Tell us what really happens. ","display_text":">> okay so that is what I was asking what did you do immediately after you you and you said you excuse you said you jump into the water to rescue persons >> did you have a lookout on your vessel >> on which one >> on your vessel the vessel that you were captain in did you have a lookout Yeah. >> Did the lookout see anything? >> No. >> So there was communication between you and your lookout and nothing was seen. >> Nothing was seen. >> Did you account for everybody that was on your vessel? >> Okay. So nephew noch So okay for me lighthouse for me pilot boat for Noitor. Okay. Huh? Well, all right. there. >> Messi, >> Mr. Hibolit, the captain before you, he answered the same thing to the commission that you just answered that he did not call the lighthouse. You said you did not call the lighthouse. Tell this commission in practice what happens. I mean give us a general sense. You you you travel on other boats. You you you captain boats yourself. Tell tell us what what happens when you you as a fisherman leave. You leaving Soufrière to go out fishing or you leaving the pot of Soufrière to another pot with people on board. What do you do? What do other captains do? Tell us what really happens. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":48204,"char_end":49383,"first_asr_turn":722,"last_asr_turn":732,"raw_text":">> You mean do we call somebody let them know that we leaving or coming? Yeah. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do you all do that in general or do you know whether other boat captains do that or it is >> I don't think I don't think much of us do it you know boss I I don't know I don't know for some reason you see that VGM lighthouse most people do that is the people that in cast race >> that's most captains >> but most of you know that you should do >> you should >> but you all just don't do it >> I don't know for some reason they don't do it >> they don't I'm But a lot of them a lot of us >> But as far as you know whether fishermanmen or or boat captains with taxi the the boat water taxi as far as you know they don't call the lighthouse. >> No we don't we don't that one we we we don't follow that one. Definitely a lot of us don't follow that one calling VG light whatever we don't >> okay thank you Mr. Thank you Mr. Hippolit. Would you be surprised that there is sufficient evidence to show that you have been operating vessels within the port of Sufre other than the day of the accident? Would you be surprised? But from my boat other vessels like ","display_text":">> You mean do we call somebody let them know that we leaving or coming? Yeah. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do you all do that in general or do you know whether other boat captains do that or it is >> I don't think I don't think much of us do it you know boss I I don't know I don't know for some reason you see that Vigie lighthouse most people do that is the people that in Castries >> that's most captains >> but most of you know that you should do >> you should >> but you all just don't do it >> I don't know for some reason they don't do it >> they don't I'm But a lot of them a lot of us >> But as far as you know whether fishermanmen or or boat captains with taxi the the boat water taxi as far as you know they don't call the lighthouse. >> No we don't we don't that one we we we don't follow that one. Definitely a lot of us don't follow that one calling Vigie light whatever we don't >> okay thank you Mr. Thank you Mr. Hippolit. 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Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":49383,"char_end":50403,"first_asr_turn":733,"last_asr_turn":744,"raw_text":">> you've been operating listen well >> before the day of the accident on 2016 Mr. Chairman, when the license expired 2015, would you be surprised that there is sufficient evidence >> that you have been operating within the port of Sufre another vessel? Well, I don't surprise so I'll not be surprised. You'll not be surprised. >> I will not be surprised but I not I try. >> Okay. >> No building evidence >> that between surprise 15 operate. surprise my surprise. >> No, you know that I remember well for the after 11 years. I think I have my book for 10 years now. Probably two and a half. But you will agree with me that you have been approached on renewing your license between 2015 and July 18th, 2026 to make an effort to renew your license. And you did not. >> No, we're not arguing. I am saying that you were approached between 2015 and 20 and July 20 sorry July 18th 2026 to renew your license and you did not >> I don't understand sign language if I don't remember? >> You don't remember? >> From 2016 to 2018. ","display_text":">> you've been operating listen well >> before the day of the accident on 2016 Mr. Chairman, when the license expired 2015, would you be surprised that there is sufficient evidence >> that you have been operating within the port of Soufrière another vessel? Well, I don't surprise so I'll not be surprised. You'll not be surprised. >> I will not be surprised but I not I try. >> Okay. >> No building evidence >> that between surprise 15 operate. surprise my surprise. >> No, you know that I remember well for the after 11 years. I think I have my book for 10 years now. Probably two and a half. But you will agree with me that you have been approached on renewing your license between 2015 and July 18th, 2026 to make an effort to renew your license. And you did not. >> No, we're not arguing. I am saying that you were approached between 2015 and 20 and July 20 sorry July 18th 2026 to renew your license and you did not >> I don't understand sign language if I don't remember? >> You don't remember? >> From 2016 to 2018. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0733","P2-U0734","P2-U0735","P2-U0736","P2-U0737","P2-U0738","P2-U0739","P2-U0740","P2-U0741","P2-U0742","P2-U0743","P2-U0744"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P2-C042","title":"Reading correction","text":"Sufre → Soufrière. Same southern departure/return port repeatedly identified in this account; phonetic transcription variant of Soufrière. No route or timing claim changed. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P2-047","part":2,"ordinal":47,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":50403,"char_end":51498,"first_asr_turn":745,"last_asr_turn":751,"raw_text":">> Yes. >> So what did I get charged or something like that for operating So listen. Mhm. Fore. Yo, mini. Let me just ask. I want to understand something from you. You seem to be suggesting that you do not need a license to drive your fishing boat. Is that what you're suggesting? Well, >> because you keep saying you don't have a license, but you only drive your fishing boat. >> Yeah. Well, so don't not a fishing um license you need to operate a fishing boat. >> That's what I'm asking. Is that is that what you're trying to tell the commission? >> Yeah. that you you apart from this boat which were you which you were operating on the night of the accident. You seem to be suggesting because you mostly operate your fishing vessel that you have not been paying that captain's license. Is that what you're saying? >> Mhm. And when you answered that you were not surprised, you would not be surprised. If you were shown evidence that you have driven other vessels, what what what are you saying? Are you saying you're not surprised that people will say something like that or you and explain? ","display_text":">> Yes. >> So what did I get charged or something like that for operating So listen. Mhm. Fore. Yo, mini. Let me just ask. I want to understand something from you. You seem to be suggesting that you do not need a license to drive your fishing boat. Is that what you're suggesting? Well, >> because you keep saying you don't have a license, but you only drive your fishing boat. >> Yeah. Well, so don't not a fishing um license you need to operate a fishing boat. >> That's what I'm asking. Is that is that what you're trying to tell the commission? >> Yeah. that you you apart from this boat which were you which you were operating on the night of the accident. You seem to be suggesting because you mostly operate your fishing vessel that you have not been paying that captain's license. Is that what you're saying? >> Mhm. And when you answered that you were not surprised, you would not be surprised. If you were shown evidence that you have driven other vessels, what what what are you saying? Are you saying you're not surprised that people will say something like that or you and explain? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0745","P2-U0746","P2-U0747","P2-U0748","P2-U0749","P2-U0750","P2-U0751"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-048","part":2,"ordinal":48,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":51498,"char_end":52708,"first_asr_turn":752,"last_asr_turn":760,"raw_text":">> Well, I'm not surprised if you all have it as proof showing that I already drive other boats. if you'll have it. >> Oh, you will not be surprised if we have it as proof. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> My my final question to you at this time, Mr. Hippolit, is to ask you if you remember how much it is to pay your annual license. You don't remember? Should I remind him, Mr. chairman or should I based on the provisions of the law for you it's only $5 per year. So we are yet to understand why from 2016 to renew 2016 to 2011 um now is 11 years right? >> What's $5? >> How much for the license that is expired? the >> the one that is expired. How much is it? >> So the government made provisions to give concession and all of that just to ensure and I'm speaking about the government of St. Lucia through your what you do for a living. You your livelihood would have given you concession for $5 I believe to renew the license and you have not done so in 11 years. So, are you saying in 11 years you have not been able to make $55 to renew your license at all in 11 years? I don't understand that one yet. So, you'll have to you get me there. That one you'll have to I don't quite understand that one year. ","display_text":">> Well, I'm not surprised if you all have it as proof showing that I already drive other boats. if you'll have it. >> Oh, you will not be surprised if we have it as proof. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> My my final question to you at this time, Mr. Hippolit, is to ask you if you remember how much it is to pay your annual license. You don't remember? Should I remind him, Mr. chairman or should I based on the provisions of the law for you it's only $5 per year. So we are yet to understand why from 2016 to renew 2016 to 2011 um now is 11 years right? >> What's $5? >> How much for the license that is expired? the >> the one that is expired. How much is it? >> So the government made provisions to give concession and all of that just to ensure and I'm speaking about the government of St. Lucia through your what you do for a living. You your livelihood would have given you concession for $5 I believe to renew the license and you have not done so in 11 years. So, are you saying in 11 years you have not been able to make $55 to renew your license at all in 11 years? I don't understand that one yet. So, you'll have to you get me there. That one you'll have to I don't quite understand that one year. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0752","P2-U0753","P2-U0754","P2-U0755","P2-U0756","P2-U0757","P2-U0758","P2-U0759","P2-U0760"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-049","part":2,"ordinal":49,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":52708,"char_end":53858,"first_asr_turn":761,"last_asr_turn":769,"raw_text":">> It it goes back to the issue of >> again >> you have your your license to operate a boat expired on the 18th of July 2015. We've shown you the documents. You accept that? >> Yeah. >> And it is being also put to you that between then 11 years ago when your license expired and now you have been driving passenger boats during that period. Yes. I mean that between Janu July of 2015 and now you have been driving boats. You have been doing boats. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I tell you I was driving my boat. >> No, no, no. We're not talking about your fishing boat. >> Talking about other boats. >> Yes. That you have been driving boats in those 11 years, although you do not have a license to do so. I I mean, you you are saying everything else but yes, but everything you're saying suggests that that is so, but you're just not saying yes, that is so. >> Well, yes. So, yes, you agree that you've been driving boats without a license. Yes. And that um Kaz Kazora Kaza or Kazora? Kaza JR is not the only boat that you have driven in the last 11 years. The only passenger boat that you've driven in the last 11 years. You have driven other boats. Well, ","display_text":">> It it goes back to the issue of >> again >> you have your your license to operate a boat expired on the 18th of July 2015. We've shown you the documents. You accept that? >> Yeah. >> And it is being also put to you that between then 11 years ago when your license expired and now you have been driving passenger boats during that period. Yes. I mean that between Janu July of 2015 and now you have been driving boats. You have been doing boats. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I tell you I was driving my boat. >> No, no, no. We're not talking about your fishing boat. >> Talking about other boats. >> Yes. That you have been driving boats in those 11 years, although you do not have a license to do so. I I mean, you you are saying everything else but yes, but everything you're saying suggests that that is so, but you're just not saying yes, that is so. >> Well, yes. So, yes, you agree that you've been driving boats without a license. Yes. And that um Kaz Kazora Kaza or Kazora? Kaza JR is not the only boat that you have driven in the last 11 years. The only passenger boat that you've driven in the last 11 years. You have driven other boats. Well, ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0761","P2-U0762","P2-U0763","P2-U0764","P2-U0765","P2-U0766","P2-U0767","P2-U0768","P2-U0769"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-050","part":2,"ordinal":50,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":53858,"char_end":54892,"first_asr_turn":770,"last_asr_turn":779,"raw_text":">> surprise me like you said. Let me know. >> No, I didn't. >> Yes. Yes. But I'm not quite sure which other boats. So, >> you're not quite sure, but you're not denying that you drove other boats. >> We're not looking to convict you of anything else. We're looking to find out the facts. >> You have a license which expired in 2015. That is 11 years ago. there. We we know that you drove Kazula according to you for about three or four times. We also are putting into you that you you drove other boats as well during those 11 years. >> Yes. >> Yep. And was has anybody from the port authority, the maritime division of the port authority or from the marine unit of the police force approached you in those 11 years about the fact that you are operating boats without the appropriate license? >> Well, not not that I can remember. >> You can't remember being approached by anybody from the maritime unit of the port author St. Toucha NC ports Authority. You don't remember ever being approached in 11 years about your expired license? ","display_text":">> surprise me like you said. Let me know. >> No, I didn't. >> Yes. Yes. But I'm not quite sure which other boats. So, >> you're not quite sure, but you're not denying that you drove other boats. >> We're not looking to convict you of anything else. We're looking to find out the facts. >> You have a license which expired in 2015. That is 11 years ago. there. We we know that you drove Kazula according to you for about three or four times. We also are putting into you that you you drove other boats as well during those 11 years. >> Yes. >> Yep. And was has anybody from the port authority, the maritime division of the port authority or from the marine unit of the police force approached you in those 11 years about the fact that you are operating boats without the appropriate license? >> Well, not not that I can remember. >> You can't remember being approached by anybody from the maritime unit of the port author St. Toucha NC ports Authority. You don't remember ever being approached in 11 years about your expired license? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P2-U0770","P2-U0771","P2-U0772","P2-U0773","P2-U0774","P2-U0775","P2-U0776","P2-U0777","P2-U0778","P2-U0779"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P2-051","part":2,"ordinal":51,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"tyson","char_start":54892,"char_end":57114,"first_asr_turn":780,"last_asr_turn":784,"raw_text":">> Nope. >> And do you you don't remember being approached in 11 years by anybody from the police marine unit about your expired license? >> Very well. Well, let me just take the opportunity to to just put one statement to you that was made by your employer, the boat owner, that I would have purchased at least four pet bears each for Leester, Nile, and Tyson. They had they had their own monies and would have purchased their own drinks as well. That's what that's what Mr. Ireina Pascal said in his statement that he bought four drinks for each of you. Four beers for each of you and that apart from that you'll your own monies and were buying drinks as well. >> Well, I didn't buy any other drinks. Don't need a foil. >> Very well. Anything else? Anything else? No. Yes, at this point uh that concludes the the your evidence at this time. Bear in mind that it is possible that you may be recalled um to give to respond to other questions that the commission may find it necessary to put to you. So it is possible that you may be recalled and I want you to clearly bear in mind here that we are not this is not about prosecuting you. There might be there might be a a a police officer here but he is here in his capacity as a a senior police officer who can assist with the what the work that the commission is doing. But we are not the police. We are not trying to ask you questions so that charges can be brought against you. This is not the role of this commission. So it's important that you understand that. So you do not have to bob and weave and duck and so on in answering questions. Our role is to get the information as to what happened. So as I indicated, you may be called back if the need arises for you to give uh further evidence in the matter. Uh any questions that you had for Mr. Hippolip? Okay, you may step down. All right. Thank you, Miss Joseph. He's a short recess. After this, we only have one more witness for the day, but we have to take a short recess for no more than about 10 minutes because one of the commissioners has a matter to attend to. So, you will remain here or anywhere within the precincts and be back in 10 minutes to to take your evidence. Okay. So, we recess for 10 minutes.\n","display_text":">> Nope. >> And do you you don't remember being approached in 11 years by anybody from the police marine unit about your expired license? >> Very well. Well, let me just take the opportunity to to just put one statement to you that was made by your employer, the boat owner, that I would have purchased at least four pet bears each for Leester, Nile, and Tyson. They had they had their own monies and would have purchased their own drinks as well. That's what that's what Mr. Ireina Pascal said in his statement that he bought four drinks for each of you. Four beers for each of you and that apart from that you'll your own monies and were buying drinks as well. >> Well, I didn't buy any other drinks. Don't need a foil. >> Very well. Anything else? Anything else? No. Yes, at this point uh that concludes the the your evidence at this time. Bear in mind that it is possible that you may be recalled um to give to respond to other questions that the commission may find it necessary to put to you. So it is possible that you may be recalled and I want you to clearly bear in mind here that we are not this is not about prosecuting you. There might be there might be a a a police officer here but he is here in his capacity as a a senior police officer who can assist with the what the work that the commission is doing. But we are not the police. We are not trying to ask you questions so that charges can be brought against you. This is not the role of this commission. So it's important that you understand that. So you do not have to bob and weave and duck and so on in answering questions. Our role is to get the information as to what happened. So as I indicated, you may be called back if the need arises for you to give uh further evidence in the matter. 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Do not infer one.","section":"pascalopening","char_start":44,"char_end":1185,"first_asr_turn":1,"last_asr_turn":18,"raw_text":"Mr. Chair, when you're ready. Okay. Is it supposed to go this Just repeat that to me. Is Irene That's your Okay. I Inas Pascal. >> I I Pascal. >> Do solemnly swear. >> Oh, do swallow me swear >> to tell the whole truth. >> To tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth. >> And nothing but the truth. >> So help me God. Remember that one. Yeah. Hey, can I address? >> Yes. Come closer. >> Your attention on that of commissioners. Mr. Pascal has indicated that he has a slight um hearing loss in >> Yeah, I have a little hearing problem to the left. So, >> so we would need to speak up just to ensure that he can hear clearly. Are you hearing me loudly and clearly? >> Yes, I do. >> Okay. Can you state your name, your address, and your occupation? >> Um, my name Ireneius Pascal from Bridge Street Sofur, and I'm a tour operator by profession. Did you on the 19th of July 2026 give a statement to the police as to what transpired on the 18th of July 2026? >> Yes, I did. >> Were you shown a copy of this statement this morning? Yes, I do. Well, um it was supposed to be four pages, but I received two pages of it, but I do have a copy ","display_text":"Mr. Chair, when you're ready. Okay. Is it supposed to go this Just repeat that to me. Is Irene That's your Okay. I Inas Pascal. >> I I Pascal. >> Do solemnly swear. >> Oh, do swallow me swear >> to tell the whole truth. >> To tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth. >> And nothing but the truth. >> So help me God. Remember that one. Yeah. Hey, can I address? >> Yes. Come closer. >> Your attention on that of commissioners. Mr. Pascal has indicated that he has a slight um hearing loss in >> Yeah, I have a little hearing problem to the left. So, >> so we would need to speak up just to ensure that he can hear clearly. Are you hearing me loudly and clearly? >> Yes, I do. >> Okay. Can you state your name, your address, and your occupation? >> Um, my name Ireneius Pascal from Bridge Street Soufrière, and I'm a tour operator by profession. Did you on the 19th of July 2026 give a statement to the police as to what transpired on the 18th of July 2026? >> Yes, I did. >> Were you shown a copy of this statement this morning? Yes, I do. Well, um it was supposed to be four pages, but I received two pages of it, but I do have a copy ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Do not infer one.","section":"pascalopening","char_start":1185,"char_end":2201,"first_asr_turn":19,"last_asr_turn":40,"raw_text":">> um with all four. >> Yeah, I have a copy. >> Very well. >> Yes. And you you have read the statement and you're satisfied that it is true and correct? >> Yes, I did. >> Okay. And you wish it to be used uh by this commission? >> Repeat yourself. And you wish it to be used by this commission as evidence? >> Yes. >> Having read the statement, is there anything you need to add to need you need to alter? >> No. >> You're you're satisfied with the statement as >> as read by you? >> Yes, I do. >> Very well. body want to start off with him. Anybody want to start off with him? Okay. Um, Mr. Pascal, the four commissioners and the legal council will be asking you questions on your statement and on what transpired on the 18th of July, 2026. >> Noted. >> Good evening, Mr. Pascal. >> Good evening. Um so just for clarity you are self-employed. >> Yes I do. >> Um what aspect in the boating industry are you involved in? >> Um tourist. Tourism. >> Tourism. So the vessel is >> you I'm the owner of the vessel as well. ","display_text":">> um with all four. >> Yeah, I have a copy. >> Very well. >> Yes. And you you have read the statement and you're satisfied that it is true and correct? >> Yes, I did. >> Okay. And you wish it to be used uh by this commission? >> Repeat yourself. And you wish it to be used by this commission as evidence? >> Yes. >> Having read the statement, is there anything you need to add to need you need to alter? >> No. >> You're you're satisfied with the statement as >> as read by you? >> Yes, I do. >> Very well. body want to start off with him. Anybody want to start off with him? Okay. Um, Mr. Pascal, the four commissioners and the legal council will be asking you questions on your statement and on what transpired on the 18th of July, 2026. >> Noted. >> Good evening, Mr. Pascal. >> Good evening. Um so just for clarity you are self-employed. >> Yes I do. >> Um what aspect in the boating industry are you involved in? >> Um tourist. Tourism. >> Tourism. So the vessel is >> you I'm the owner of the vessel as well. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Are you Do you also have a captain's license? >> Make your pardon. >> Do you also have a captain's license? >> No, I don't have. >> And what kind of touristic boating events is your boat involved in? >> Um well, we specialize in both. um how would I say um fishing troops like London seats. >> London seats. >> Yeah, I specialize in London. I mean, >> and do you have a full-time captain? >> Yes, I do. >> Um and on the the date the 18th of July 2026, >> he wasn't available. >> He was not available. No. >> So, what arrangements did you make in his place? >> Well, I found out that it was because it was a planned event. The whole thing that happened, it was planned because, you know, Connival have a calendar of events coming, you know. So, we plan ahead and decided to go, but you know, he was supposed to be the captain, but the day of the event, he took his boat, which is a um a day, and he went out to the event on his own. So you know I had left with no choice. Um Tyson was you know among the plans as well. So he just decided to you know captain the boat on that night. ","display_text":">> Owner. I'm the owner of Kazola Jr. >> Mhm. Are you Do you also have a captain's license? >> Make your pardon. >> Do you also have a captain's license? >> No, I don't have. >> And what kind of touristic boating events is your boat involved in? >> Um well, we specialize in both. um how would I say um fishing troops like London seats. >> London seats. >> Yeah, I specialize in London. I mean, >> and do you have a full-time captain? >> Yes, I do. >> Um and on the the date the 18th of July 2026, >> he wasn't available. >> He was not available. No. >> So, what arrangements did you make in his place? >> Well, I found out that it was because it was a planned event. The whole thing that happened, it was planned because, you know, Connival have a calendar of events coming, you know. 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Do not infer one.","section":"pascalopening","char_start":3328,"char_end":4374,"first_asr_turn":57,"last_asr_turn":70,"raw_text":">> So the captain you used on the day of the 18th of July 2026 is a captain you usually use or this was the first time? No, he's basically I've used him a few times, you know, but the day of the the event, he's not my um how would I say it? He's not my um my worker. He don't work for me. I just use him time to time. The the night of the the event, I use him. >> When you say a few times in over a season of 10 months, how often do you use his services? >> Rarely, I use him cuz he's not my captain. He's not my captain. I really use him. Like, you know, I don't really use him. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> So, on the day in question, >> were you on the vessel? >> Yes, I was. >> And as the owner, as the owner, are you aware of the process in having guests on your vessel >> or the protocol? Repeat yourself. >> The protocol. Are you aware of the protocols of having guests on your vessel during tours? >> Yes, I do. >> So, can you confirm whether safety briefings were done? >> None. None of none of safety briefings was given. Is there a reason why? ","display_text":">> So the captain you used on the day of the 18th of July 2026 is a captain you usually use or this was the first time? No, he's basically I've used him a few times, you know, but the day of the the event, he's not my um how would I say it? He's not my um my worker. He don't work for me. I just use him time to time. The the night of the the event, I use him. >> When you say a few times in over a season of 10 months, how often do you use his services? >> Rarely, I use him cuz he's not my captain. He's not my captain. I really use him. Like, you know, I don't really use him. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> So, on the day in question, >> were you on the vessel? >> Yes, I was. >> And as the owner, as the owner, are you aware of the process in having guests on your vessel >> or the protocol? Repeat yourself. >> The protocol. Are you aware of the protocols of having guests on your vessel during tours? >> Yes, I do. >> So, can you confirm whether safety briefings were done? >> None. None of none of safety briefings was given. Is there a reason why? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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We don't brief you know especially when it's not commercial use like you know using for guests and it's locals we just do things you know so that's >> so when you have organized tours >> Mhm. >> for tourists do you do safety briefings? >> Yes. So I do cuz I'm the saleserson at the beach and I conduct everything. So basically when I go out of guests I'll tell them that live vest is mandatory especially when you're doing snorkeling. So I'd brief them accordingly and tell them what cuz also on my boat there's a big sign at the front where it's stated um live vest is mandatory as well. >> Okay. So you do safety briefings for tourists, but for localized events, >> Yeah. >> you do not have safety briefings. ","display_text":">> Well, I believe that's just a a weeping like we don't really, you know, take serious, you know, us. So that's why I think that's the purpose of that to, you know, reinforce those stuff and for us to do the things the right way cuz I could be honest with you. If I'm being honest with you, the majority, we don't do that. We don't brief you know especially when it's not commercial use like you know using for guests and it's locals we just do things you know so that's >> so when you have organized tours >> Mhm. >> for tourists do you do safety briefings? >> Yes. So I do cuz I'm the saleserson at the beach and I conduct everything. So basically when I go out of guests I'll tell them that live vest is mandatory especially when you're doing snorkeling. So I'd brief them accordingly and tell them what cuz also on my boat there's a big sign at the front where it's stated um live vest is mandatory as well. >> Okay. So you do safety briefings for tourists, but for localized events, >> Yeah. >> you do not have safety briefings. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Now, I'm seeing you all have some new laws in terms of having license for crew. >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you just said. I said there's a new protocol with having a license for crew and with that being said that you know my my guys who works for me I have two captain works for me but I don't have none of them doesn't have a a crew license. >> You have two captains working for you? >> Yeah two captains >> but none of them have >> a crew license because they have a they have a a license to captain the boat. >> Okay. So, who was the designated lookout person on the vessel >> on the night ","display_text":">> We didn't we didn't do that at all that day. >> Okay. And as the owner of the vessel, do you have a designated lookout person on your vessel? Well, yes, cuz I do have my captain and crew which work for me as well. I have a captain and crew. Well, I keep I I have a few guys who works for me as well, you know, but I have a valid captain license holder who's captain in my boat and um a crew member. Now, I'm seeing you all have some new laws in terms of having license for crew. >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you just said. I said there's a new protocol with having a license for crew and with that being said that you know my my guys who works for me I have two captain works for me but I don't have none of them doesn't have a a crew license. >> You have two captains working for you? >> Yeah two captains >> but none of them have >> a crew license because they have a they have a a license to captain the boat. >> Okay. So, who was the designated lookout person on the vessel >> on the night ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Jel something. Yeah. >> So Mado was the local >> person on the way back to Sufra. >> On the way head coming down from the north heading >> leaving the north to go to our destination Sufra. Mada was the person looking out on that night. >> And the night in question, were all the systems on your vessel working? >> Um, to be honest with you, I do have my VHF radio, which wasn't been used that night. Captain didn't use it. Nobody use it. Um, I do have my live vest. I have my um fire extinguishers and my lights front and back. So the night it just wasn't at use. We didn't tell anyone like the light off to inform the light off that we were coming. None of that happened. ","display_text":">> on the night 18th of July 2026? >> We did not um to be honest with you, I had no lookout because it was, you know, as I said, it was a day we just go and just go have fun. We never know it would happen like that. So, I didn't have a um lookout person when we were leaving. But on the way back, we had one which was one of the guys that you know follow us on the way back. >> And who was that? >> Mado. >> Yeah. His name is Jel. Jel something. Yeah. >> So Mado was the local >> person on the way back to Soufrière. >> On the way head coming down from the north heading >> leaving the north to go to our destination Soufrière. Mada was the person looking out on that night. >> And the night in question, were all the systems on your vessel working? >> Um, to be honest with you, I do have my VHF radio, which wasn't been used that night. Captain didn't use it. Nobody use it. Um, I do have my live vest. I have my um fire extinguishers and my lights front and back. So the night it just wasn't at use. We didn't tell anyone like the light off to inform the light off that we were coming. None of that happened. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P3-008","part":3,"ordinal":8,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalopening","char_start":7514,"char_end":8664,"first_asr_turn":99,"last_asr_turn":109,"raw_text":">> So the night in question, your navigational aids on the vessel were working but not used >> properly worked and it was at use from the time we left. >> Okay. And the VHF was working. >> It was working. We didn't use >> we didn't use it. But as I said, it's not a me thing. I'm not just trying and you know, it's not a me thing. It's something I think majority of us honestly have a habit of doing like we don't really inform the light. >> Okay. >> Which we supposed to we don't do it. It's just a we thing. And I think that's the reason why you all are here to enforce on the law on doing that. So >> So you confirmed there was no safety briefings. >> No safety briefing. >> Are you aware whether or not life jackets were issued on that night? >> And I'm being honest with you. As I said, no live vest were issued at the time, but one individual asked for a live vest minutes before the collision. And I don't even know what led him to ask for that live at that time because I'm going to be honest, he would be one of the persons being un alive. He asked for the live vest 10 minutes before the collision. And that's Mr. Roman. Mr. Roman William. ","display_text":">> So the night in question, your navigational aids on the vessel were working but not used >> properly worked and it was at use from the time we left. >> Okay. And the VHF was working. >> It was working. We didn't use >> we didn't use it. But as I said, it's not a me thing. I'm not just trying and you know, it's not a me thing. It's something I think majority of us honestly have a habit of doing like we don't really inform the light. >> Okay. >> Which we supposed to we don't do it. It's just a we thing. And I think that's the reason why you all are here to enforce on the law on doing that. So >> So you confirmed there was no safety briefings. >> No safety briefing. >> Are you aware whether or not life jackets were issued on that night? >> And I'm being honest with you. As I said, no live vest were issued at the time, but one individual asked for a live vest minutes before the collision. And I don't even know what led him to ask for that live at that time because I'm going to be honest, he would be one of the persons being un alive. He asked for the live vest 10 minutes before the collision. And that's Mr. Roman. Mr. Roman William. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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But I do brief my guests about life vest and stuff >> among the safety equipment. Is do you have a any a flare gun and flares? >> Um being honest um the night we didn't have any flares on board. In terms of standard oper operating procedures, do you normally review the marine or the weather forecast before you venture out on your vessel? >> Repeat yourself. >> As part of your SOPs, your standard operating procedures. >> Mhm. Do you normally get a copy of the marine or weather report before your vessel ventures out? >> Well, um, again for my guest, I always check weather forecast because sometimes it could affect it could affect my tours as well. So, I just look out for that. But I didn't look out when we have locals. I don't I don't really do that. ","display_text":">> So on your touristic tours, when you do the tours with the tourists, >> Yeah. >> do you issue life jackets? >> Yeah, we do. We do. There's some that's the same thing as well. Some of us with me, as I said, I I do my brief my my safety briefing with my guests. Some of them decide they don't want it. They're safe without it. So, you know, we can force them to wait. You understand? But I do brief my guests about life vest and stuff >> among the safety equipment. Is do you have a any a flare gun and flares? >> Um being honest um the night we didn't have any flares on board. In terms of standard oper operating procedures, do you normally review the marine or the weather forecast before you venture out on your vessel? >> Repeat yourself. >> As part of your SOPs, your standard operating procedures. >> Mhm. Do you normally get a copy of the marine or weather report before your vessel ventures out? >> Well, um, again for my guest, I always check weather forecast because sometimes it could affect it could affect my tours as well. So, I just look out for that. But I didn't look out when we have locals. I don't I don't really do that. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0110","P3-U0111","P3-U0112","P3-U0113","P3-U0114","P3-U0115","P3-U0116","P3-U0117","P3-U0118","P3-U0119"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-010","part":3,"ordinal":10,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalopening","char_start":9808,"char_end":10924,"first_asr_turn":120,"last_asr_turn":123,"raw_text":">> So, do you consider locals your guests? Well, we it wasn't as I said if um if I'm operating commotionally commercially I'll say yes they're my guest but you know in that event but we heading out to a party I wouldn't say they are guest >> so what was the weather like that night that day and night >> well day in the day it was good um well the sea was kind of choppy >> Mhm. In the day, the weather was okay in the day, but the night it was kind of dark, you know, some dark clouds, you know. Um, also she was choppy. And at one point, I'm being honest cuz it's only the trophy. All right. when we were leaving um Rodney or Gile um captain was you know going a little more than moderate all right and I had to stop him and I have people that could attest to that I had to tell him that you know take it easy because it's kind of choppy and you can't ride those wave with speed cuz you know it could we have nine of us on board it could cause you know even without coll co colliding with anybody body it could just sink sometime take a wave so I had to call on on him and tell him you know he has to take it easy ","display_text":">> So, do you consider locals your guests? Well, we it wasn't as I said if um if I'm operating commotionally commercially I'll say yes they're my guest but you know in that event but we heading out to a party I wouldn't say they are guest >> so what was the weather like that night that day and night >> well day in the day it was good um well the sea was kind of choppy >> Mhm. In the day, the weather was okay in the day, but the night it was kind of dark, you know, some dark clouds, you know. Um, also she was choppy. And at one point, I'm being honest cuz it's only the trophy. All right. when we were leaving um Rodney or Gros Islet um captain was you know going a little more than moderate all right and I had to stop him and I have people that could attest to that I had to tell him that you know take it easy because it's kind of choppy and you can't ride those wave with speed cuz you know it could we have nine of us on board it could cause you know even without coll co colliding with anybody body it could just sink sometime take a wave so I had to call on on him and tell him you know he has to take it easy ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0120","P3-U0121","P3-U0122","P3-U0123"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P3-C004","title":"Reading correction","text":"Gile → Gros Islet. 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Do not infer one.","section":"pascalopening","char_start":10924,"char_end":11927,"first_asr_turn":124,"last_asr_turn":132,"raw_text":">> and who was the captain at the time >> it was Tyson Tyson captain go and come back >> and that's Tyson Hippolith >> Tyson Hippolith yeah >> during the course of that evening did you consume any alcoholic beverages >> yes I did yes I and I could clearly remember what I was consuming that night. >> And did you consume any alcohol with your captain? >> No. Well, I was the one who I purchased as I said clearly in my statement that I purchase um like three four bears for each of them cuz you know when I go out I always you know take care I I I'm the one who spending you know so you know everything was on me. So, I bought like three or four rounds of drinks which was bez. And I had like a glass like glass of um I think it was Bonte and Cranberry that night. Yeah, Bonte and Cranberry I had that night. I only had maybe three four glass. I not a heavy drinker. I drink occasionally. But it's normal if you go out with your captains while on a tour that you buy drinks for them. >> They go pardon. ","display_text":">> and who was the captain at the time >> it was Tyson Tyson captain go and come back >> and that's Tyson Hippolith >> Tyson Hippolith yeah >> during the course of that evening did you consume any alcoholic beverages >> yes I did yes I and I could clearly remember what I was consuming that night. >> And did you consume any alcohol with your captain? >> No. Well, I was the one who I purchased as I said clearly in my statement that I purchase um like three four bears for each of them cuz you know when I go out I always you know take care I I I'm the one who spending you know so you know everything was on me. So, I bought like three or four rounds of drinks which was bez. And I had like a glass like glass of um I think it was Bonte and Cranberry that night. Yeah, Bonte and Cranberry I had that night. I only had maybe three four glass. I not a heavy drinker. I drink occasionally. But it's normal if you go out with your captains while on a tour that you buy drinks for them. >> They go pardon. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0124","P3-U0125","P3-U0126","P3-U0127","P3-U0128","P3-U0129","P3-U0130","P3-U0131","P3-U0132"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-012","part":3,"ordinal":12,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalopening","char_start":11927,"char_end":12987,"first_asr_turn":133,"last_asr_turn":141,"raw_text":">> I said, is it normal >> when you go out on tours with your captain that you buy alcoholic beverages for them? >> No, not all the time. There's a place and time for all that. As I said, that night it was a event. We went to a event and we went and, you know, have a good time. But in still having a good time, I was vigilant because as I said, I I was the one buying the drinks. So, you know, I we didn't consume too many cuz I know what it could do when you're drinking and driving. >> So, I just have two more questions. Um, >> no problem. >> Is it normal for you to extend these services during the festive season, for example, carnival, jazz, etc. Do you normally do these tours at night? >> Yes, I do. >> And how late do you stay on the water? >> Well, to be honest, as I say, I'm the owner, so I basically don't really navigate at night. I usually send my captain and crew to do the work and I just stay back. So, I don't really navigate at night. So what's the normal time they would stay out extending these services into the night or early morning? ","display_text":">> I said, is it normal >> when you go out on tours with your captain that you buy alcoholic beverages for them? >> No, not all the time. There's a place and time for all that. As I said, that night it was a event. We went to a event and we went and, you know, have a good time. But in still having a good time, I was vigilant because as I said, I I was the one buying the drinks. So, you know, I we didn't consume too many cuz I know what it could do when you're drinking and driving. >> So, I just have two more questions. Um, >> no problem. >> Is it normal for you to extend these services during the festive season, for example, carnival, jazz, etc. Do you normally do these tours at night? >> Yes, I do. >> And how late do you stay on the water? >> Well, to be honest, as I say, I'm the owner, so I basically don't really navigate at night. I usually send my captain and crew to do the work and I just stay back. So, I don't really navigate at night. So what's the normal time they would stay out extending these services into the night or early morning? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0133","P3-U0134","P3-U0135","P3-U0136","P3-U0137","P3-U0138","P3-U0139","P3-U0140","P3-U0141"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-013","part":3,"ordinal":13,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalopening","char_start":12987,"char_end":14329,"first_asr_turn":142,"last_asr_turn":152,"raw_text":">> Well, it depend on what time the events done. >> Yeah. So 2 3 4 in the morning. >> 2 in the morning. Sometime most events is 2:00 in the morning, you know, 3:00 in the morning, you know, it depend. And what's the frequency of you being stopped underwater by SLASPA or the marine police when engaging in these services? >> Um, I've never encountered any anyone never encountered any stops from the marine police when doing those. >> So they've never stopped you on the water and asked for license. No, I think I've stopped maybe once cuz you know I do things as I should. So I don't think you know I've been stopped of more than once or twice. >> Sure. >> Just a minute. Not more than once or twice in two weeks or in 2 years or or 20 years? >> Take a pattern. >> When you say you've been stopped not more than once or twice, >> is that once or twice in a week? once or twice in a year once or twice every five years. >> If my business has been in operation like the boat business has been in operation for like four or five years, I'll definitely see maybe not four or five years maybe twice I've been stopped or once. I don't get myself in problem with the police. I do what I have to do in short on time, service on time. I do what I have to do on time. And anybody who knows me could attest to, you know, me taking care of my business. ","display_text":">> Well, it depend on what time the events done. >> Yeah. So 2 3 4 in the morning. >> 2 in the morning. Sometime most events is 2:00 in the morning, you know, 3:00 in the morning, you know, it depend. And what's the frequency of you being stopped underwater by SLASPA or the marine police when engaging in these services? >> Um, I've never encountered any anyone never encountered any stops from the marine police when doing those. >> So they've never stopped you on the water and asked for license. No, I think I've stopped maybe once cuz you know I do things as I should. So I don't think you know I've been stopped of more than once or twice. >> Sure. >> Just a minute. Not more than once or twice in two weeks or in 2 years or or 20 years? >> Take a pattern. >> When you say you've been stopped not more than once or twice, >> is that once or twice in a week? once or twice in a year once or twice every five years. >> If my business has been in operation like the boat business has been in operation for like four or five years, I'll definitely see maybe not four or five years maybe twice I've been stopped or once. I don't get myself in problem with the police. I do what I have to do in short on time, service on time. I do what I have to do on time. And anybody who knows me could attest to, you know, me taking care of my business. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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And where I was seated, you know, I could have just seen dark clouds and like um how you call that lights from the shoreline and choppy like see was choppy but visibility wise like it was kind of dark. So it was dark but it was you could have still see a bit a little bit visible as well but >> the weather was dark. >> Yeah. Low visibility. >> Yeah. >> A bit of shoreline. And then what happened in terms of the impact? Just describe your Well, the impact to be honest. As I said, I've I can have a little hearing problem. So, I only heard a sound. I don't know how loud it was cuz you know when you have a little air problem you might not hear it as normal as the next person but I just heard a noise and then you know I was shift to other seat and that was it. ","display_text":">> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And the final question from me, can you just summarize briefly the series of events right before the incident? Um >> what you remember in terms of visual in terms of visibility? >> Oh, the night of the event. >> Yeah. The of the incident. >> The day of the incident. >> Yeah. >> Like you mean like um visibility wise? >> Yes. >> Well, as I said, it was dark to be honest with you. And where I was seated, you know, I could have just seen dark clouds and like um how you call that lights from the shoreline and choppy like see was choppy but visibility wise like it was kind of dark. So it was dark but it was you could have still see a bit a little bit visible as well but >> the weather was dark. >> Yeah. Low visibility. >> Yeah. >> A bit of shoreline. And then what happened in terms of the impact? Just describe your Well, the impact to be honest. As I said, I've I can have a little hearing problem. So, I only heard a sound. I don't know how loud it was cuz you know when you have a little air problem you might not hear it as normal as the next person but I just heard a noise and then you know I was shift to other seat and that was it. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0153","P3-U0154","P3-U0155","P3-U0156","P3-U0157","P3-U0158","P3-U0159","P3-U0160","P3-U0161","P3-U0162","P3-U0163","P3-U0164","P3-U0165","P3-U0166","P3-U0167"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-015","part":3,"ordinal":15,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":15495,"char_end":16546,"first_asr_turn":168,"last_asr_turn":173,"raw_text":">> Thank you. >> You're welcome. And be before um ACPD freighters asked you some questions. I just want to understand >> can you project your voice a bit? >> Yes. I just want to understand you said that you know you don't get into problems with the law and so on and so on and you know you are a good law-abiding citizen. I got the impression that's what you were saying. >> No not I try and I try and do things just as I should you know to not get myself in problems. You know sometimes you you fall short there and there but you know I always try my best to do what I have to do. But were you aware of the fact that you were employing somebody to to captain a boat who whose license expired 11 years ago? >> But I'm being honest with you. I know this guy for a while and I know he's been driving boats. So I'm making assumption that he has a license. You understand? And as I said the night it wasn't him was supposed to drive my boat. So you're saying you know he drives boats. Does Can I take that? You mean you know he drives passenger boats for ","display_text":">> Thank you. >> You're welcome. And be before um ACPD freighters asked you some questions. I just want to understand >> can you project your voice a bit? >> Yes. I just want to understand you said that you know you don't get into problems with the law and so on and so on and you know you are a good law-abiding citizen. I got the impression that's what you were saying. >> No not I try and I try and do things just as I should you know to not get myself in problems. You know sometimes you you fall short there and there but you know I always try my best to do what I have to do. But were you aware of the fact that you were employing somebody to to captain a boat who whose license expired 11 years ago? >> But I'm being honest with you. I know this guy for a while and I know he's been driving boats. So I'm making assumption that he has a license. You understand? And as I said the night it wasn't him was supposed to drive my boat. So you're saying you know he drives boats. Does Can I take that? You mean you know he drives passenger boats for ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0168","P3-U0169","P3-U0170","P3-U0171","P3-U0172","P3-U0173"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-016","part":3,"ordinal":16,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":16546,"char_end":17659,"first_asr_turn":174,"last_asr_turn":185,"raw_text":">> No, his boat. He has his boat and I know him for I know Tyson from Donkeers cuz we stay in the same area. >> So I know him driving. >> He a fishing boat or a passenger boat? >> Oh, >> he has a fishing boat or a passenger boat? >> He has a fishing boat presently. I don't know how long he has it for but before the passion before his boat I know him to captain like um Exodus I don't know if you know about those company um Exodus that's for Tom and them >> that's back then like years maybe have decades >> that's before 2015 when he was >> well I don't I to be honest with you I don't know I as I said I just know him to captain those boats which I know is licensed boats that operate in the tourist industry so I'm assuming He do has a license. >> So I'm trying to understand you you know him to be regularly captaining these um passenger boats. You know him to be regularly captaining these boats. Why you thought he must have a license? >> Repeat yourself. >> You know is it that you're saying that he know you know he regularly captaining these passenger boats and therefore you thought he had a license? ","display_text":">> No, his boat. He has his boat and I know him for I know Tyson from Donkeers cuz we stay in the same area. >> So I know him driving. >> He a fishing boat or a passenger boat? >> Oh, >> he has a fishing boat or a passenger boat? >> He has a fishing boat presently. I don't know how long he has it for but before the passion before his boat I know him to captain like um Exodus I don't know if you know about those company um Exodus that's for Tom and them >> that's back then like years maybe have decades >> that's before 2015 when he was >> well I don't I to be honest with you I don't know I as I said I just know him to captain those boats which I know is licensed boats that operate in the tourist industry so I'm assuming He do has a license. >> So I'm trying to understand you you know him to be regularly captaining these um passenger boats. You know him to be regularly captaining these boats. Why you thought he must have a license? >> Repeat yourself. >> You know is it that you're saying that he know you know he regularly captaining these passenger boats and therefore you thought he had a license? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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But I'm telling you, apart from his boat, cuz he drive his boat, he has his fishing boat where he go to sea. And I could see that, you know, apart from his boat, I haven't seen him drive any other boat to be honest with you. >> Yet you put him in charge of carrying nine passengers on your boat. >> Yeah. >> Cuz as I said, I know him to be driving boats. >> Yeah. what you said since he had his fishing boat, you hardly see driving boat. >> The guy's a guy's, as I said, the guy is well known for driving boats. I've known him for decades. As I said, he's drive boats bigger than what I gave him. So, he's more than capable than bringing those passengers cuz he's he drive boats bigger than my boat. Double engine, center console. ","display_text":">> Yes. And how regularly would you say he captains boats? >> Well, as I said, that's don't care. That's like decades ago. But presently, as he owns his boat, I could attest that I haven't seen him drive a boat apart from his boat. That's what I could say. I haven't seen if he does it. Maybe at the moment, I didn't see. But I'm telling you, apart from his boat, cuz he drive his boat, he has his fishing boat where he go to sea. And I could see that, you know, apart from his boat, I haven't seen him drive any other boat to be honest with you. >> Yet you put him in charge of carrying nine passengers on your boat. >> Yeah. >> Cuz as I said, I know him to be driving boats. >> Yeah. what you said since he had his fishing boat, you hardly see driving boat. >> The guy's a guy's, as I said, the guy is well known for driving boats. I've known him for decades. As I said, he's drive boats bigger than what I gave him. So, he's more than capable than bringing those passengers cuz he's he drive boats bigger than my boat. Double engine, center console. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So I left with no choice and then we use him. He went. He's not my captain. >> And it never occurred to you to find out whether he's licensed to be on the water driving a boat like that. Never occurred to you to to do any checks or to inquire whether he's licensed to do what you were asking him to do. >> I've never made any check on whether he can do it. But from my knowledge, what I've seen, I gave him the benefit of the doubt that I know he can. So, as I said, that's what happened the night. And yeah, >> Mr. Pascal, you said at some point you would have asked Tyson to take it easy because you felt with the sea conditions he was operating a bit too fast. ","display_text":">> Yeah. But for 11 years he was doing so without the legal authorization to do so. And you have engaged him without him having the legal authorization to be engaged in what you engaged him to do. Well, I wasn't a That's what I'm saying. I wasn't aware cuz he's not my captain. He's not my personal captain. I don't use him. I don't use him. As I tell you, the night it just happened that the other guy took his boat and went to the event. So I left with no choice and then we use him. He went. He's not my captain. >> And it never occurred to you to find out whether he's licensed to be on the water driving a boat like that. Never occurred to you to to do any checks or to inquire whether he's licensed to do what you were asking him to do. >> I've never made any check on whether he can do it. But from my knowledge, what I've seen, I gave him the benefit of the doubt that I know he can. So, as I said, that's what happened the night. And yeah, >> Mr. Pascal, you said at some point you would have asked Tyson to take it easy because you felt with the sea conditions he was operating a bit too fast. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So it wasn't not it wasn't too far away from when we just left around Winjama area and about in terms of time about how long before the accident would you say that was? um be honest being honest from the time I told him not that we started driving he started driving at a more moderate speed so I think we took like maybe I'll say maybe close to an hour to reach before the the um the accident maybe 50 approximate 50 to an hour 50 minutes to an hour uh You indicated that one Mado would have been your lookout. >> Yes, I could attest to that. >> Where does the lookout usually place him or herself? Well, on that vessel, >> that specific individual, for some reason, I don't know, he loves sitting. There's I how would I explain it to the front of the boat, there's a seat before the bow, and there's a piece of stick, a line like this long. I think it's to to um adjust the boat or um make the boat like stronger, I think. So, they place a piece of fiberglass is seated right on top of that. So that's close to the top where he could see anything that come ","display_text":">> Yes, I did. >> Did he comply? >> Yes, he did immediately. Can you tell us by way of identifying a point a point along the shoreline a point along the coast where that would have happened? >> Um I'll say around Windjammer area live Windjammer. So it wasn't not it wasn't too far away from when we just left around Windjammer area and about in terms of time about how long before the accident would you say that was? um be honest being honest from the time I told him not that we started driving he started driving at a more moderate speed so I think we took like maybe I'll say maybe close to an hour to reach before the the um the accident maybe 50 approximate 50 to an hour 50 minutes to an hour uh You indicated that one Mado would have been your lookout. >> Yes, I could attest to that. >> Where does the lookout usually place him or herself? 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Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":21117,"char_end":22204,"first_asr_turn":204,"last_asr_turn":220,"raw_text":">> and I'm asking again during the journey >> and just prior to the accident was that where he was seated where you just described >> that's where he was seated from the time we left the port um Gul whatever the destination may And in your estimation, was could there have been anything impeding his view to the front? >> Repeat yourself. >> In your estimation, >> Mhm. >> is there any do you believe there could have been anything preventing him from seeing ahead? >> Um, no. where where he was seated. He could have seen anything. From your recollection, did Mado sound any warning to the captain of an oncoming vessel? >> No. Mr. Chair, um just for the record because I realize we are using aliases. Just for the record, I want to establish that Mado is one and the same as Janelle Butcher. >> His name >> Mado. You said his name is Mado. >> I want to establish that Mado and Janelle Butcher >> is one of the same person. >> He's the Janelle Butcher. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But you know Yeah. >> Yeah. So since you were using aliases, I just need for the record to establish that, please. ","display_text":">> and I'm asking again during the journey >> and just prior to the accident was that where he was seated where you just described >> that's where he was seated from the time we left the port um Gros Islet or Rodney Bay, whatever the destination may be. And in your estimation, was could there have been anything impeding his view to the front? >> Repeat yourself. >> In your estimation, >> Mhm. >> is there any do you believe there could have been anything preventing him from seeing ahead? >> Um, no. where where he was seated. He could have seen anything. 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Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":22204,"char_end":23221,"first_asr_turn":221,"last_asr_turn":232,"raw_text":">> Yeah, I don't know his government's name because you know what? And you say you are not a a boat captain? >> No, >> you do not hold a captain's license. >> No, only. Um, how experienced are you in terms of going out to sea during these commercial trips? >> How how often would you go out on your vessel during these commercial trips that you you >> I really go out on them as I said and and and unless it's an event I really want to go to and I plan on going to it, I wouldn't go. Now I want to I want to draw a distinction here. >> Yeah, no problem. >> Earlier you said that um the trip on the night in question was not commercial. >> Mhm. >> It was not a paid trip. Well, um, a two two or three. No, it was how would I say Taylor and her boyfriend, but Taylor was the person who gave me some funds for bringing them up. Because what what what the distinction I want to make, you said um you would sometimes or most times adhere to safety protocols such as briefings and the like. >> Mhm. >> When you have guests ","display_text":">> Yeah, I don't know his government's name because you know what? And you say you are not a a boat captain? >> No, >> you do not hold a captain's license. >> No, only. Um, how experienced are you in terms of going out to sea during these commercial trips? >> How how often would you go out on your vessel during these commercial trips that you you >> I really go out on them as I said and and and unless it's an event I really want to go to and I plan on going to it, I wouldn't go. Now I want to I want to draw a distinction here. >> Yeah, no problem. >> Earlier you said that um the trip on the night in question was not commercial. >> Mhm. >> It was not a paid trip. Well, um, a two two or three. 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Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":23221,"char_end":24247,"first_asr_turn":233,"last_asr_turn":257,"raw_text":">> Mhm. >> on on trips. >> Mhm. >> I take it that that's for money. >> Mhm. >> When you have people on board for money. >> It's not for money. It's just I >> Listen listen closely. >> The night in question. >> Yeah. You said that one of your main reasons for not adhering to safety protocols was because it was a trip for fun. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. Not not no. You have it all wrong. Not because of that. >> Not totally wrong about that. I didn't meant that that way. At no point in time I said such. >> Okay. You said if we were operating commercially, I would do protocols. >> Mhm. >> That night we were going out to party. So I did not use the protocols. >> Yeah. But I didn't meant it that way where you know I just don't do protocols for locals and I only do it for >> No, I am I'm still going to ask you. >> Mhm. >> If all the locals on your boat on that night >> had paid you >> Mhm. >> had paid you for taking them to Gilelay and back >> you collected fees from them. >> Mhm. >> Would you have done the protocol? ","display_text":">> Mhm. >> on on trips. >> Mhm. >> I take it that that's for money. >> Mhm. >> When you have people on board for money. >> It's not for money. It's just I >> Listen listen closely. >> The night in question. >> Yeah. You said that one of your main reasons for not adhering to safety protocols was because it was a trip for fun. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. Not not no. You have it all wrong. Not because of that. >> Not totally wrong about that. I didn't meant that that way. At no point in time I said such. >> Okay. 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Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":24247,"char_end":25288,"first_asr_turn":258,"last_asr_turn":261,"raw_text":">> No. That's what I'm saying. Why? >> Cuz you know, as I tell you, it's just just something we just don't do within ourselves. That's what I'm trying to say. I said it earlier on. Just like indicating the lighthouse, that's something. It's a a weing. We don't do it. It's there. We the laws are there, but we don't do it. Like it's just within us. We don't do it. The majority, I could say that we don't adhere to the um the lighthouse. We don't inform the lighthouse. We don't we don't we don't inform them. We don't do safety briefings. We don't put live vest on passengers. We don't that's that's just a we thing. So it's not just me. I'm just saying like just something we you know that's we just have as a habit. >> And let me take you back to the lookout. In your estimation, you say that the lookout was seated in a position where ought where he ought to have been able to see everything happening ahead. >> Um, that's that I cannot tell you, but I know where he was sitting. He could have seen anything that coming in front of you. ","display_text":">> No. That's what I'm saying. Why? >> Cuz you know, as I tell you, it's just just something we just don't do within ourselves. That's what I'm trying to say. I said it earlier on. Just like indicating the lighthouse, that's something. It's a a weing. We don't do it. It's there. We the laws are there, but we don't do it. Like it's just within us. We don't do it. The majority, I could say that we don't adhere to the um the lighthouse. We don't inform the lighthouse. We don't we don't we don't inform them. We don't do safety briefings. We don't put live vest on passengers. We don't that's that's just a we thing. So it's not just me. I'm just saying like just something we you know that's we just have as a habit. >> And let me take you back to the lookout. In your estimation, you say that the lookout was seated in a position where ought where he ought to have been able to see everything happening ahead. >> Um, that's that I cannot tell you, but I know where he was sitting. He could have seen anything that coming in front of you. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0258","P3-U0259","P3-U0260","P3-U0261"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-024","part":3,"ordinal":24,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":25288,"char_end":26399,"first_asr_turn":262,"last_asr_turn":278,"raw_text":">> Yes. >> Would would would you be able to explain at all? And you said he never gave any warning to the captain. >> Pick up Adam. >> You said he never gave any warning to the captain >> because he never saw nothing appro approaching. >> Good. Would you be able to explain at all why that was? So maybe just >> Would you be able to explain at all why? Have you had any discussion with him on that? Would you be able to explain at all why he saw nothing? >> I cannot answer that. >> You cannot answer that. Have you had any discussion with him on it? >> Oh, Janelle. >> Yes. >> No. >> But I will ask you, you have a lookout who gave no warning to the captain. Your vessel is involved in a boating collision. >> Mhm. where four persons have lost their lives unfortunately. >> Mhm. >> And as the lookout, you have not made it your business to find out from him what happened on that night, what he saw, what he did not see. >> Well, the captain the captain think the captain asked him, you know, was he able to see anything? He said he never saw anything. But not you. You didn't have that conversation with him. ","display_text":">> Yes. >> Would would would you be able to explain at all? And you said he never gave any warning to the captain. >> Pick up Adam. >> You said he never gave any warning to the captain >> because he never saw nothing appro approaching. >> Good. Would you be able to explain at all why that was? So maybe just >> Would you be able to explain at all why? Have you had any discussion with him on that? Would you be able to explain at all why he saw nothing? >> I cannot answer that. >> You cannot answer that. Have you had any discussion with him on it? >> Oh, Janelle. >> Yes. >> No. >> But I will ask you, you have a lookout who gave no warning to the captain. Your vessel is involved in a boating collision. >> Mhm. where four persons have lost their lives unfortunately. >> Mhm. >> And as the lookout, you have not made it your business to find out from him what happened on that night, what he saw, what he did not see. >> Well, the captain the captain think the captain asked him, you know, was he able to see anything? He said he never saw anything. But not you. You didn't have that conversation with him. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0262","P3-U0263","P3-U0264","P3-U0265","P3-U0266","P3-U0267","P3-U0268","P3-U0269","P3-U0270","P3-U0271","P3-U0272","P3-U0273","P3-U0274","P3-U0275","P3-U0276","P3-U0277","P3-U0278"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-025","part":3,"ordinal":25,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":26399,"char_end":27461,"first_asr_turn":279,"last_asr_turn":286,"raw_text":">> No, I haven't. No. From where you were seated on the vessel, how far ahead of you could you have seen? >> Repeat yourself. >> From where you were seated >> on the vessel, how far ahead of you could you have seen? Um, well, the bow of the boat and the lights on the shoreline, not at the front of me because I couldn't see where I'm seated. I can I can see anything at the front of me. >> So you could not see beyond the bow? >> No, I couldn't see nothing beyond the bow. In your experience as a boat owner, as one who has been out there on the sea on similar trips, um, is it a common thing or should I say, do you know of any other instances where a lookout would be in your estimation perfectly placed? to possibly see what was happening ahead yet did not. Do you know of any other such incidents? Is it something common >> what this incident happened? >> No. No. That a lookout can be perfectly positioned on the vessel yet not able to pick up danger ahead. Is that something for for some reason in in in maritime travel that can happen? That is possible. ","display_text":">> No, I haven't. No. From where you were seated on the vessel, how far ahead of you could you have seen? >> Repeat yourself. >> From where you were seated >> on the vessel, how far ahead of you could you have seen? Um, well, the bow of the boat and the lights on the shoreline, not at the front of me because I couldn't see where I'm seated. I can I can see anything at the front of me. >> So you could not see beyond the bow? >> No, I couldn't see nothing beyond the bow. In your experience as a boat owner, as one who has been out there on the sea on similar trips, um, is it a common thing or should I say, do you know of any other instances where a lookout would be in your estimation perfectly placed? to possibly see what was happening ahead yet did not. Do you know of any other such incidents? Is it something common >> what this incident happened? >> No. No. That a lookout can be perfectly positioned on the vessel yet not able to pick up danger ahead. Is that something for for some reason in in in maritime travel that can happen? That is possible. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0279","P3-U0280","P3-U0281","P3-U0282","P3-U0283","P3-U0284","P3-U0285","P3-U0286"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-026","part":3,"ordinal":26,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":27461,"char_end":28476,"first_asr_turn":287,"last_asr_turn":295,"raw_text":">> Well, in the day in the daytime, well, in the night time, if person doesn't have a light that nowhere a lookout could see something that's coming, it doesn't have a light. >> But would that also not depend on visibility? Well, as I said, it was the visibility was a little a little poor as well, but it was enough to see. Was enough to see because as I said, I was seeing on the shoreline just that it was just dark that day. The visibility was enough to see. It was clear enough to see. But I'm asking have have you ever performed the role of a lookout? >> Um yes I before I become a boat owner have >> um at night around that same time. >> Daytime. >> Only daytime. >> Daytime. Yeah. Yeah. Can you describe the impact in terms of force? Well, as I said, in terms of force, I cannot answer that based on my hearing problem. So, as I said earlier on, I just heard a I heard a sound. I don't know how loud it was. >> Okay. So, let me let me ask you the question another way. >> So, the two vessels have collided. ","display_text":">> Well, in the day in the daytime, well, in the night time, if person doesn't have a light that nowhere a lookout could see something that's coming, it doesn't have a light. >> But would that also not depend on visibility? Well, as I said, it was the visibility was a little a little poor as well, but it was enough to see. Was enough to see because as I said, I was seeing on the shoreline just that it was just dark that day. The visibility was enough to see. It was clear enough to see. But I'm asking have have you ever performed the role of a lookout? >> Um yes I before I become a boat owner have >> um at night around that same time. >> Daytime. >> Only daytime. >> Daytime. Yeah. Yeah. Can you describe the impact in terms of force? Well, as I said, in terms of force, I cannot answer that based on my hearing problem. So, as I said earlier on, I just heard a I heard a sound. I don't know how loud it was. >> Okay. So, let me let me ask you the question another way. >> So, the two vessels have collided. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I I >> no but I I can just say because from where I was seated I was seated right um in front of the captain the seat in front of the console that's where I was seated after the impact I flew over onto the second seat. So just a seat apart from where I was seated. So you could just imagine the impact what that would send me over. >> Is that a seat forward or a sit back? >> No, a seat forward. >> A seat forward. We have the second seat. So after you asked your captain to slow down a near wind jammer, you said he complied. >> Yeah. Yeah, he did. He did. Did he at any point after that compliance after he slowed down? >> Mhm. >> Did he at any point increase his speed again? >> No, he didn't. Even um at the time when I tell him slow down, he did he he did slow down. And there was a next there was a next um how would I say that? There's a next time we had to stop to take the live vest for one of the guys that asked for the live vest. And that person would have asked for the life vest after you asked the captain to slow down. ","display_text":">> Mhm. >> How how heavy was you? I'm sure you would have jolted. You would have jerked. >> Yeah. I >> How how how heavy was that from your standpoint? >> And what rate you looking at like >> I don't know. You tell me. I I >> no but I I can just say because from where I was seated I was seated right um in front of the captain the seat in front of the console that's where I was seated after the impact I flew over onto the second seat. So just a seat apart from where I was seated. So you could just imagine the impact what that would send me over. >> Is that a seat forward or a sit back? >> No, a seat forward. >> A seat forward. We have the second seat. So after you asked your captain to slow down a near Windjammer, you said he complied. >> Yeah. Yeah, he did. He did. Did he at any point after that compliance after he slowed down? >> Mhm. >> Did he at any point increase his speed again? >> No, he didn't. Even um at the time when I tell him slow down, he did he he did slow down. And there was a next there was a next um how would I say that? There's a next time we had to stop to take the live vest for one of the guys that asked for the live vest. And that person would have asked for the life vest after you asked the captain to slow down. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0296","P3-U0297","P3-U0298","P3-U0299","P3-U0300","P3-U0301","P3-U0302","P3-U0303","P3-U0304","P3-U0305","P3-U0306","P3-U0307","P3-U0308","P3-U0309"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P3-C009","title":"Reading correction","text":"wind jammer → Windjammer. 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It was his girlfriend that asked me for the live saw him which was Taylor. >> What's the girlfriend's name? >> Taylor River. >> Taylor. >> Taylor. Yeah. Heat. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Pascal. >> You're welcome. >> Yeah, Mr. Excuse me. I want to come back to to the issue of the person who captained your boat and what you did or did not do. >> Mhm. I am concerned about the fact that you had somebody captain in your boat carrying nine persons on board the boat whose captain's license expired 9 11 years ago. >> Mhm. And you did nothing to you did no sort of check or nothing to ascertain whether this person in whose hands you were putting nine persons had the authority to drive that boat. ","display_text":">> No, no, no, no. When I when I tell the captain slow down because of the swells of the sea, he didn't ask for it. You know, he asked for it maybe I'll say 10 20 minutes after. >> Yeah, that's what I'm asking. So, he would have asked for the life vest after you asked the captain to slow down >> after. Not immediately, but after. Yeah, after. >> It wasn't even the one who asked me for the live vest. It was his girlfriend that asked me for the live saw him which was Taylor. >> What's the girlfriend's name? >> Taylor River. >> Taylor. >> Taylor. Yeah. Heat. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Pascal. >> You're welcome. >> Yeah, Mr. Excuse me. I want to come back to to the issue of the person who captained your boat and what you did or did not do. >> Mhm. I am concerned about the fact that you had somebody captain in your boat carrying nine persons on board the boat whose captain's license expired 9 11 years ago. >> Mhm. And you did nothing to you did no sort of check or nothing to ascertain whether this person in whose hands you were putting nine persons had the authority to drive that boat. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0310","P3-U0311","P3-U0312","P3-U0313","P3-U0314","P3-U0315","P3-U0316","P3-U0317","P3-U0318","P3-U0319","P3-U0320","P3-U0321"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-029","part":3,"ordinal":29,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":30827,"char_end":31830,"first_asr_turn":322,"last_asr_turn":324,"raw_text":">> But what I'm saying is that I'm not aware that he doesn't have a license for period of time. You did nothing to ascertain to to ensure that before you put the lives of nine persons in the hands of this man that he was in fact qualified to captain a boat. Well, at at that time, as I said, it's you know, event we going to and it's not, you know, people we we um how would I say guess about you speak about this as if well, I mean, since it's a fat you're going to, >> it's it's not as if people's lives are involved in that. Four people died, you know, as a result of that collision. >> It's nothing to be taken lightly, you know, that yeah, we're just going to affect. So, that's okay. It's not okay. Security briefings and safety protocols. Safety briefings and protocols are to be carried out precisely to avoid what happened happening. It doesn't matter whether you're talking about tourists or persons you're doing chores from or your best friends and neighbors and family members. I understood ","display_text":">> But what I'm saying is that I'm not aware that he doesn't have a license for period of time. You did nothing to ascertain to to ensure that before you put the lives of nine persons in the hands of this man that he was in fact qualified to captain a boat. Well, at at that time, as I said, it's you know, event we going to and it's not, you know, people we we um how would I say guess about you speak about this as if well, I mean, since it's a fat you're going to, >> it's it's not as if people's lives are involved in that. Four people died, you know, as a result of that collision. >> It's nothing to be taken lightly, you know, that yeah, we're just going to affect. So, that's okay. It's not okay. Security briefings and safety protocols. Safety briefings and protocols are to be carried out precisely to avoid what happened happening. It doesn't matter whether you're talking about tourists or persons you're doing chores from or your best friends and neighbors and family members. I understood ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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He's not my captain. >> Yes, he was your captain on that night when you engaged him to entrust nine lives in his hands. He was your captain. You caused him to become your captain 11 years after he ceased to be legally entitled to do so. Also, you were purchasing alcoholic beverages no less than four for that person in whose hands you were going to entrust the nine lives. You also did not cause any security, any safety briefings or protocols to be followed. You also did not cause the nine people on board to to wear life live life jackets or even to make them aware that they should do so. Apart from one man who whose girlfriend said he couldn't swim and asked for a life vest for him. These are very very serious matters and I'm a little concerned that you seem to treat them as if we were just going to a fence. So that's okay. Four people died. ","display_text":">> what matters is that the lives of nine persons are on the line and you have you have engaged a person to captain the boat to carry those nine persons to and from um Soufrière and and Gros Islet without ascertaining whether that person was legally qualified to do so. >> Yes. But as I said earlier on, I understood clearly what you were saying. But the time, as I said, Tyson is not my captain. He's not my captain. >> Yes, he was your captain on that night when you engaged him to entrust nine lives in his hands. He was your captain. You caused him to become your captain 11 years after he ceased to be legally entitled to do so. Also, you were purchasing alcoholic beverages no less than four for that person in whose hands you were going to entrust the nine lives. You also did not cause any security, any safety briefings or protocols to be followed. You also did not cause the nine people on board to to wear life live life jackets or even to make them aware that they should do so. Apart from one man who whose girlfriend said he couldn't swim and asked for a life vest for him. These are very very serious matters and I'm a little concerned that you seem to treat them as if we were just going to a fence. So that's okay. Four people died. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0325","P3-U0326","P3-U0327"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P3-C010","title":"Reading correction","text":"Suare → Soufrière. Clear Soufrière place-name transcription error: the stated home town, southern end of the excursion, or local police station. This changes spelling only, not the claimed route or location. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1P3-C011","title":"Reading correction","text":"Gile → Gros Islet. Clear Gros Islet place-name transcription error in the repeatedly specified northern end of this round trip. The utterance’s uncertainty and surrounding wording are preserved. No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P3-031","part":3,"ordinal":31,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":33070,"char_end":34173,"first_asr_turn":328,"last_asr_turn":339,"raw_text":">> Yeah. You said that Mavado was seated in a position where he could see anything. >> Yeah, but I've seen what's coming ahead. If there is a a boat coming in the opposite direction coming directly towards your boat >> and with a lookout who could see anything ahead of him would he or should he not have seen that boat? uh with the visibility not being as I said it was a visibility for the night as I said I'm not sure for him if you could have seen it but he said he didn't see anything >> well you said that where he was seated he could see anything >> yeah he could have seen anything that come his way >> if that person had lights but there's no lights you cannot see anything >> so you're saying that if that oncoming boat had light, >> he would have been able to see it. >> And you're saying without that, >> without the boat having the navigation lights, >> he would not have been able to see it even as it approached your boat directly. >> Well, from where he was sitting, that question would have to be something you ask him because where he was seated, he alone could see what he could see. ","display_text":">> Yeah. You said that Mavado was seated in a position where he could see anything. >> Yeah, but I've seen what's coming ahead. If there is a a boat coming in the opposite direction coming directly towards your boat >> and with a lookout who could see anything ahead of him would he or should he not have seen that boat? uh with the visibility not being as I said it was a visibility for the night as I said I'm not sure for him if you could have seen it but he said he didn't see anything >> well you said that where he was seated he could see anything >> yeah he could have seen anything that come his way >> if that person had lights but there's no lights you cannot see anything >> so you're saying that if that oncoming boat had light, >> he would have been able to see it. >> And you're saying without that, >> without the boat having the navigation lights, >> he would not have been able to see it even as it approached your boat directly. >> Well, from where he was sitting, that question would have to be something you ask him because where he was seated, he alone could see what he could see. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0328","P3-U0329","P3-U0330","P3-U0331","P3-U0332","P3-U0333","P3-U0334","P3-U0335","P3-U0336","P3-U0337","P3-U0338","P3-U0339"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-032","part":3,"ordinal":32,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalvoyage","char_start":34173,"char_end":35197,"first_asr_turn":340,"last_asr_turn":361,"raw_text":">> Yeah. with you. I'm going on your statement. >> Mhm. >> That from where Mavado was sitting, >> he could see anything. >> Yeah. Because where he was, >> this is what you said. >> Mhm. >> Cuz where he was seated, um, well, let's let me refuse. I would assume he can see whatever's coming in front of him. I'll retract my statement. >> Okay. >> I would assume you'll be able to see what's coming ahead of him. And if the boat had navigation lights >> Mhm. >> you would say that there's no way he would not have seen it. >> No way. >> And if it did not have navigation lights and you had navigation lights >> and he was at that well pushed where he was, do you >> on the other boat? >> Do you believe that he may still have been able to see that other boat coming even without its navigation light? >> You mean like if he was on the other boat? >> No. No. He seated in a position on your boat. Mhm. >> where he can see anything. >> Mhm. >> I'm asking you whether even if that oncoming boat did not have navigation lights on, ","display_text":">> Yeah. with you. I'm going on your statement. >> Mhm. >> That from where Mavado was sitting, >> he could see anything. >> Yeah. Because where he was, >> this is what you said. >> Mhm. >> Cuz where he was seated, um, well, let's let me refuse. I would assume he can see whatever's coming in front of him. I'll retract my statement. >> Okay. >> I would assume you'll be able to see what's coming ahead of him. And if the boat had navigation lights >> Mhm. >> you would say that there's no way he would not have seen it. >> No way. >> And if it did not have navigation lights and you had navigation lights >> and he was at that well pushed where he was, do you >> on the other boat? >> Do you believe that he may still have been able to see that other boat coming even without its navigation light? >> You mean like if he was on the other boat? >> No. No. He seated in a position on your boat. Mhm. >> where he can see anything. >> Mhm. >> I'm asking you whether even if that oncoming boat did not have navigation lights on, ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So that question in regards to Mo I cannot answer it. Cannot answer it if he could have seen. I just know for sure where he was seated if there was any oncoming thing with lights he would have seen. >> So you've altered it really to say that that from where he was seated he could see any oncoming object with lights. >> With lights. But in terms of whether he might have seen that oncoming uh vessel without lights, you're saying that part >> I cannot answer. >> I cannot answer that because >> that's adequate. >> Yeah, >> Mr. Pascal, who is the registered B boat master for your vessel? Um, so with that being said, Daryl is my captain, registered captain, but I think the time I was supposed to reg um, how would I say it? Go to slasper, they was asking me for um, I think a grid two uh, grid two or grid grid three or grid two captain. And then at that point I end up um because I wanted to insure the boat. So I end up calling um Graham Mafra. Graham Mafra I could recall that I end up he has a higher grid than Dariel. So I end up putting him as the captain and I had um Darl as the crew. ","display_text":">> could he would he have discerned an oncoming uh object coming towards your boat? >> That from some distance away? >> That I cannot answer for you because as I said, he's the one that seen he could tell you what he could have possibly seen. But I know on that night it was a bit visible. So that question in regards to Mo I cannot answer it. Cannot answer it if he could have seen. I just know for sure where he was seated if there was any oncoming thing with lights he would have seen. >> So you've altered it really to say that that from where he was seated he could see any oncoming object with lights. >> With lights. But in terms of whether he might have seen that oncoming uh vessel without lights, you're saying that part >> I cannot answer. >> I cannot answer that because >> that's adequate. >> Yeah, >> Mr. Pascal, who is the registered B boat master for your vessel? Um, so with that being said, Daryl is my captain, registered captain, but I think the time I was supposed to reg um, how would I say it? Go to slasper, they was asking me for um, I think a grid two uh, grid two or grid grid three or grid two captain. And then at that point I end up um because I wanted to insure the boat. So I end up calling um Graham Mafra. Graham Mafra I could recall that I end up he has a higher grid than Dariel. So I end up putting him as the captain and I had um Darl as the crew. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Yes, that's >> so you used Graham Matthew. >> Yes. >> However, you continue to use Darl Paul who because of his the level of his license certification >> would not have been accepted as the boat captain. >> Mhm. >> You agree? >> Repeat yourself. >> I am saying you could not have registered Darl Paul >> as the boat captain. >> Yeah. because of the level of his certification. >> Yes, the captain. >> Is that correct? >> Yes. >> That that Slasper and the insurance would not accept Daryl Paul. >> No, no, not the insurance. The insurance accept him. It's just um Slasper. >> So, Slasper would not >> Slasper tell me um my captain need a um license certificate like a grade two or grade whatever. Okay, good. So, Darl Paul did not have that. ","display_text":">> Right. So, you said on the night of the incident? >> Mhm. >> Your regular captain could not go because he went with his own boat. >> Yeah, he went with his own boat. >> Who is your regular captain? >> Well, it's Darla. Daryl what? Daryl Paul. So you're saying in the statement just prior that you could not have registered and inshot the boat >> with Daryl because of his level boat license. Yes, that's >> so you used Graham Matthew. >> Yes. >> However, you continue to use Darl Paul who because of his the level of his license certification >> would not have been accepted as the boat captain. >> Mhm. >> You agree? >> Repeat yourself. >> I am saying you could not have registered Darl Paul >> as the boat captain. >> Yeah. because of the level of his certification. >> Yes, the captain. >> Is that correct? >> Yes. >> That that Slasper and the insurance would not accept Daryl Paul. >> No, no, not the insurance. The insurance accept him. It's just um Slasper. >> So, Slasper would not >> Slasper tell me um my captain need a um license certificate like a grade two or grade whatever. Okay, good. So, Darl Paul did not have that. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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But let's go again. >> He's certified and he could he could operate in the waters. >> Okay. So, why? >> They just asked me that. I don't know for what reason. They just tell me um my captain needs like a grid too, but he could operate in the waters. He could operate in the waters. So that is something we we that is something we need some clarity on, Mr. um >> Yes, you could you could clarify with them. He could operate in a waters. He's >> Yeah, but but he's still not registered as your boat captain. >> Repeat yourself. >> He's not registered as your boat captain. >> He's still he's not registered >> as your boat captain. Graham Matthew is the boat master, isn't he? >> Yes, he is. >> Graham Matthew, you have Darl Paul registered as crew. >> Yes, at the time. >> Therefore, >> Mhm. >> he cannot be your regular captain. ","display_text":">> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you used Graham Matthew >> Mhm. >> to get the boat registered. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> But yet continued with Darl Paul >> who is not certified. >> He's certified. >> Yeah. But let's go again. >> He's certified and he could he could operate in the waters. >> Okay. So, why? >> They just asked me that. I don't know for what reason. They just tell me um my captain needs like a grid too, but he could operate in the waters. He could operate in the waters. So that is something we we that is something we need some clarity on, Mr. um >> Yes, you could you could clarify with them. He could operate in a waters. He's >> Yeah, but but he's still not registered as your boat captain. >> Repeat yourself. >> He's not registered as your boat captain. >> He's still he's not registered >> as your boat captain. Graham Matthew is the boat master, isn't he? >> Yes, he is. >> Graham Matthew, you have Darl Paul registered as crew. >> Yes, at the time. >> Therefore, >> Mhm. >> he cannot be your regular captain. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0396","P3-U0397","P3-U0398","P3-U0399","P3-U0400","P3-U0401","P3-U0402","P3-U0403","P3-U0404","P3-U0405","P3-U0406","P3-U0407","P3-U0408","P3-U0409","P3-U0410","P3-U0411","P3-U0412","P3-U0413","P3-U0414","P3-U0415","P3-U0416","P3-U0417","P3-U0418","P3-U0419","P3-U0420","P3-U0421"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-036","part":3,"ordinal":36,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalcert","char_start":38747,"char_end":39800,"first_asr_turn":422,"last_asr_turn":433,"raw_text":">> And he is, >> but he's not registered as your boat captain. >> Yes, but he's not registered. But he's legit. He could still run in the water. I am still asking if he was legit why would Slasp refuse him. >> You asked that question to you would take that into um Slash bags them why that you all have to make that research. I don't know. I don't know for what reason they told me such >> yeah he has yeah he would >> that's not a question I could answer why. >> So yeah but Darl Mafi Darl Paul >> Paul has a boat license. Yeah, he's like, >> but not at a level that's last accepted. >> He he has a level three, I think. >> I don't know what level they accept you to drive at cuz I've never gone to a boat captain license, but I know for sure you do have a license. >> Okay, so it says Graham Matthew certified boat license grade 3 expiry date 289 2026. So it means therefore that what certified crew won. So it means therefore that whatever whatever level of certification that Darl Paul has is is lower or of lesser certification than Graham Matthew ","display_text":">> And he is, >> but he's not registered as your boat captain. >> Yes, but he's not registered. But he's legit. He could still run in the water. I am still asking if he was legit why would Slasp refuse him. >> You asked that question to you would take that into um Slash bags them why that you all have to make that research. I don't know. I don't know for what reason they told me such >> yeah he has yeah he would >> that's not a question I could answer why. >> So yeah but Darl Mafi Darl Paul >> Paul has a boat license. Yeah, he's like, >> but not at a level that's last accepted. >> He he has a level three, I think. >> I don't know what level they accept you to drive at cuz I've never gone to a boat captain license, but I know for sure you do have a license. >> Okay, so it says Graham Matthew certified boat license grade 3 expiry date 289 2026. So it means therefore that what certified crew won. So it means therefore that whatever whatever level of certification that Darl Paul has is is lower or of lesser certification than Graham Matthew ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I don't know. >> So I am still saying owing to the fact that Daryl Paul is not registered as your boat master. >> He cannot be your regular captain >> or should not be your regular captain or cannot be. I think I used the right term in the first instance. He cannot be your regular boat captain. >> Yep. >> Are you agreeing with me? >> That's the law and I agree. >> But I know once you have a a a captain like >> So So you are saying that Darl Paul has his own boat. >> Bigger P. >> Darl Paul has his own boat. >> Yeah, you do have a boat right now. >> He owns a boat. >> Yeah, he has. >> And he captains his boat. >> Well, yeah, he has a boat. You have seen him captain his own boat. >> Well, a dingy has how you call it those small mini boats. Those dingies. That's what ","display_text":">> but he can still operate. That's what I'm saying. My interest here is why would Slasper not have registered him as your boat master? >> But that question I cannot answer that question. You have to ask Slasper. They do the laws. I don't know. >> So I am still saying owing to the fact that Daryl Paul is not registered as your boat master. >> He cannot be your regular captain >> or should not be your regular captain or cannot be. I think I used the right term in the first instance. He cannot be your regular boat captain. >> Yep. >> Are you agreeing with me? >> That's the law and I agree. >> But I know once you have a a a captain like >> So So you are saying that Darl Paul has his own boat. >> Bigger P. >> Darl Paul has his own boat. >> Yeah, you do have a boat right now. >> He owns a boat. >> Yeah, he has. >> And he captains his boat. >> Well, yeah, he has a boat. You have seen him captain his own boat. >> Well, a dingy has how you call it those small mini boats. Those dingies. That's what ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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M no I know Darl has a license captain license. >> How would you know? >> Cuz he works for me is present. He had to present it to me for me to send to Slasper. I've registered my boat as Darl Paul as my captain with no issue with Slasper. I just just recently they just tell me that um Darl will need a higher grade or whatever they said. But I've always Daryl have been my captain for two three years with no issue. He's been the one on my insurance as the captain and you could check the files. >> And we and we talking about the same vessel. >> Yes. >> An upgrade to your vessel that would have caused you to ask him for an upgrading license. >> No, cuz Junior I haven't upgraded my boat. That's the only boat I've I've bought and that's the only boat I have right now. So how would it be upgraded? Daryl Paul have been my captain for two three years now. From the time I started operating, Daryl has been the one as the captain. So I don't that's why I try and understand ","display_text":">> So why is it? Well, I can't ask you that because we do not know. We need to see his certification now. Um I suspect very much the same as you did not know. Tyson did not have a valid license. You do not know of the licensing position of Darl Paul either. M no I know Darl has a license captain license. >> How would you know? >> Cuz he works for me is present. He had to present it to me for me to send to Slasper. I've registered my boat as Darl Paul as my captain with no issue with Slasper. I just just recently they just tell me that um Darl will need a higher grade or whatever they said. But I've always Daryl have been my captain for two three years with no issue. He's been the one on my insurance as the captain and you could check the files. >> And we and we talking about the same vessel. >> Yes. >> An upgrade to your vessel that would have caused you to ask him for an upgrading license. >> No, cuz Junior I haven't upgraded my boat. That's the only boat I've I've bought and that's the only boat I have right now. So how would it be upgraded? Daryl Paul have been my captain for two three years now. From the time I started operating, Daryl has been the one as the captain. So I don't that's why I try and understand ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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We're hearing from you >> and you are saying that Slasbar would not register him as your boat captain because he did not have the required level of certification. >> Well, that's well I that's what I assume. Yes, that's what they said. >> And yet despite Slasper not registering him as captain because he did not have the required level of certification, you engaged him as your captain. >> Yes. because he do have a license to operate and he has the license to operate in the waters as well. That's what I'm saying. >> Yes. But Slasper declined to register him as a boat captain. >> Mhm. >> Because he did not have the required level of certification. >> Mhm. >> That is what you have said. I have not I've not said so. But despite that you felt comfortable engaging him as a captain despite what Slasper which is the authority on those matters. ","display_text":">> did not register him as your captain as a captain because he he was not to the requisite grade. >> Well, >> isn't that what you said? Yes, that's what that's what they said. >> Yeah, that's what you told us. We haven't we haven't heard from Slasbar. We're hearing from you >> and you are saying that Slasbar would not register him as your boat captain because he did not have the required level of certification. >> Well, that's well I that's what I assume. Yes, that's what they said. >> And yet despite Slasper not registering him as captain because he did not have the required level of certification, you engaged him as your captain. >> Yes. because he do have a license to operate and he has the license to operate in the waters as well. That's what I'm saying. >> Yes. But Slasper declined to register him as a boat captain. >> Mhm. >> Because he did not have the required level of certification. >> Mhm. >> That is what you have said. I have not I've not said so. But despite that you felt comfortable engaging him as a captain despite what Slasper which is the authority on those matters. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0459","P3-U0460","P3-U0461","P3-U0462","P3-U0463","P3-U0464","P3-U0465","P3-U0466","P3-U0467","P3-U0468","P3-U0469","P3-U0470","P3-U0471"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-040","part":3,"ordinal":40,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalcert","char_start":43139,"char_end":44162,"first_asr_turn":472,"last_asr_turn":484,"raw_text":">> Let me let me add to that. >> Just just hold on. Despite what Slasper has said which is the authority on those matters. It's okay. I mean he's been driving your boat so it's okay. He can continue to do that notwithstanding that Slasper has declined to register him. >> Yes. >> I mean Mr. Pascal what I you have to take this thing very seriously you know. >> Yes but I am but what I'm >> like your livelihood might depend on it people lives might depend on it not livelihood lives >> and I I do happen to find you a little casual >> given the enormity of the situation that we're dealing with further question. So again, let me let me just warn you that Graham Matthews boat license has expired on the 28th of September this year. >> Mhm. I'm not aware of it. Yeah, I'm just telling you now >> cuz he's >> the the the the other discrepancy I notice here, the expiration date of your >> certificate of inspection is November 22nd, 2026, >> which is next month. But yet the boat license of the captain expires before that. ","display_text":">> Let me let me add to that. >> Just just hold on. Despite what Slasper has said which is the authority on those matters. It's okay. I mean he's been driving your boat so it's okay. He can continue to do that notwithstanding that Slasper has declined to register him. >> Yes. >> I mean Mr. Pascal what I you have to take this thing very seriously you know. >> Yes but I am but what I'm >> like your livelihood might depend on it people lives might depend on it not livelihood lives >> and I I do happen to find you a little casual >> given the enormity of the situation that we're dealing with further question. So again, let me let me just warn you that Graham Matthews boat license has expired on the 28th of September this year. >> Mhm. I'm not aware of it. Yeah, I'm just telling you now >> cuz he's >> the the the the other discrepancy I notice here, the expiration date of your >> certificate of inspection is November 22nd, 2026, >> which is next month. But yet the boat license of the captain expires before that. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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He never drives for me. >> So, Mr. In your estimation, can can that happen that the boat is allowed to be certified until but the captain >> it can happen? But it's like my it's it's like my car it's like my car being insured or they don't run commensurate. They don't usually they can't run commensurate. The >> driver's license expire can expire before the insurance. Yeah. But but you need to check on Mr. Louis on Mr. Graham Matthew. >> Make a pan. >> You need to check on Mr. Graham Matthew because his his license expired last month. >> You need to check on him. >> You the captain in your boat. >> But no, he Graham Charles. I used Graham Charles. I've never used Graham Charles to drive my boat. You just use his name to get your license. >> Yes. ","display_text":">> Mhm. The boat captain's license expired last month, September, but the his boat is licensed or certified until November 22nd, which is next month. >> But that's why I'm saying Graham, we just >> we use I just use Graham. Graham is not my captain. He never drives for me. >> So, Mr. In your estimation, can can that happen that the boat is allowed to be certified until but the captain >> it can happen? But it's like my it's it's like my car it's like my car being insured or they don't run commensurate. They don't usually they can't run commensurate. The >> driver's license expire can expire before the insurance. Yeah. But but you need to check on Mr. Louis on Mr. Graham Matthew. >> Make a pan. >> You need to check on Mr. Graham Matthew because his his license expired last month. >> You need to check on him. >> You the captain in your boat. >> But no, he Graham Charles. I used Graham Charles. I've never used Graham Charles to drive my boat. You just use his name to get your license. >> Yes. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So I have I have a bit of an interesting view into what you were discussing. But even before I go through my questions to you, I want to bring something to your attention. as the owner of a vessel. And by reason of law, there is a certain level of responsibility that you have on your hand being the owner of a vessel. And that law reads that nothing in those rules or the laws, excuse shall exonerate any vessel, the owner, the master, the crew, or the crew thereof from the neglect, the consequences of any neglect to comply with the law or the neglect of any precautionary measure. which may be required by the ordinary practice of seammanship and the special circumstances. So if I may bring you closer to what our chairman was trying to get from you and Commissioner Defrites is that you are fully aware as the owner of the vessel that the person in which you register the vessel to be the captain ","display_text":">> But you never use it. >> You never drive that boat. >> You never use him to actually do what you in the put on the the phone. just use his name. I, you know, I just use his name. I He never drive my boat. >> Thank you, Mr. Pascal. >> You're welcome. >> Good day, Mr. Pascal. How are you? How are you? >> I'm good. >> Okay. So I have I have a bit of an interesting view into what you were discussing. But even before I go through my questions to you, I want to bring something to your attention. as the owner of a vessel. And by reason of law, there is a certain level of responsibility that you have on your hand being the owner of a vessel. And that law reads that nothing in those rules or the laws, excuse shall exonerate any vessel, the owner, the master, the crew, or the crew thereof from the neglect, the consequences of any neglect to comply with the law or the neglect of any precautionary measure. which may be required by the ordinary practice of seammanship and the special circumstances. So if I may bring you closer to what our chairman was trying to get from you and Commissioner Defrites is that you are fully aware as the owner of the vessel that the person in which you register the vessel to be the captain ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0497","P3-U0498","P3-U0499","P3-U0500","P3-U0501","P3-U0502","P3-U0503","P3-U0504"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-043","part":3,"ordinal":43,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalcert","char_start":46396,"char_end":47405,"first_asr_turn":505,"last_asr_turn":519,"raw_text":">> Mhm. >> is not the one operating the vessel. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> I cannot hear you sir. Yes. Right. >> You are also aware that the person who is operating the vessel is not qualified to do so because the sole authority to give that responsibility is Flasper and he was denied. >> You are aware. >> I'm not aware of >> the person operating currently. You are aware that he's not the person because you use the other person to get through. >> Is that correct? >> Repeat. Repeat that statement. >> The person you have Just one second. Let me refer to the documents. Kazola Jr. know that Mr. Hippolit the registered captain. Thank you. according to the the paper from the St. Lucia and support authority the direct the division of maritime affairs right you Irenus Pascal have registered as the master of the vessel the person in charge of that vessel whose lives are dependent upon >> as Grum's Matthew Mhm. >> That's correct. >> Mhm. But you clearly stated that Mr. Matthew is >> important verbally. ","display_text":">> Mhm. >> is not the one operating the vessel. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> I cannot hear you sir. Yes. Right. >> You are also aware that the person who is operating the vessel is not qualified to do so because the sole authority to give that responsibility is Flasper and he was denied. >> You are aware. >> I'm not aware of >> the person operating currently. You are aware that he's not the person because you use the other person to get through. >> Is that correct? >> Repeat. Repeat that statement. >> The person you have Just one second. Let me refer to the documents. Kazola Jr. know that Mr. Hippolit the registered captain. Thank you. according to the the paper from the St. Lucia and support authority the direct the division of maritime affairs right you Irenus Pascal have registered as the master of the vessel the person in charge of that vessel whose lives are dependent upon >> as Grum's Matthew Mhm. >> That's correct. >> Mhm. But you clearly stated that Mr. Matthew is >> important verbally. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Yes, I am. >> You have on that same document stamped the 22nd of May, 2026, that the operator, the master, the person with the responsibility for the nine lives you had >> Mhm. >> on the vessel that night in question >> Mhm. >> was supposed to be Mr. Graham Graham Matthew. >> Mhm. >> Is that correct? >> Well, if that's what stated. Yes. No, that is what you have because your signature is also on that document, remember? >> Yes. >> And you had another individual operating the vessel >> which is not what you have the person you have as the master of the vessel. >> Understood? But you would also be aware that in so doing you would have according to the laws engaging the master the captain of a vessel that by doing so on the 18th of July 2026 that you would have endangered the life of all the sea users and resulting in the death of four individual. I'm listening. It was a question. I thought it you was continuous me. I didn't take it as a question. Thank you. So, I'm still going back to navigational terms with you and I believe Commissioner Defrites was trying to understand what you were not bringing out. Your vessel is equipped with a 115 horsepower 115 or 150. ","display_text":">> We need to hear. >> Oh, okay. Understood. >> Yeah, I understood. >> Right. So you have on the division of maritime affairs from the St. Lucia and support authority which is commonly called Slasper >> that you are the lawful owner of Kazola Jr. is that correct? Yes, I am. >> You have on that same document stamped the 22nd of May, 2026, that the operator, the master, the person with the responsibility for the nine lives you had >> Mhm. >> on the vessel that night in question >> Mhm. >> was supposed to be Mr. Graham Graham Matthew. >> Mhm. >> Is that correct? >> Well, if that's what stated. Yes. No, that is what you have because your signature is also on that document, remember? >> Yes. >> And you had another individual operating the vessel >> which is not what you have the person you have as the master of the vessel. >> Understood? But you would also be aware that in so doing you would have according to the laws engaging the master the captain of a vessel that by doing so on the 18th of July 2026 that you would have endangered the life of all the sea users and resulting in the death of four individual. I'm listening. It was a question. I thought it you was continuous me. I didn't take it as a question. Thank you. So, I'm still going back to navigational terms with you and I believe Commissioner Defrites was trying to understand what you were not bringing out. Your vessel is equipped with a 115 horsepower 115 or 150. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You didn't ask that question. You only asked after I told the guy to um um um take it easy. That's where that's the question you asked. You never asked me from the destination to the collision how long I took. >> We we are getting there. We getting there. What was that? I thought >> So for the purpose of this sitting, we would label um Rodney Bay as point A. >> Mhm. >> We would register the point of the collision as point B. >> Mhm. >> For clear guidance. So from point A to point B, how long did your vessel take to travel that distance? >> Um your own estimate. >> We left we left around a little like after 10 collision happened around 11:55. So I think we take like hour plus total to get to the collision cuz as I said we were going at a moderate speed. We we didn't have much speed. So from point A to point B, I'll say roughly an hour plus cuz we left Robo Grizzly ","display_text":">> 150 >> 150. >> Yes. >> You clearly indicated to commissioner defes that you took about 50. Just one second. 50 to an hour. >> 50 to 1 hour from when I tell the guy to stop. That's after not from the destination to the collision. >> So we for the records we want to indicate that >> from Windjammer to the collision. >> Yeah. You didn't ask that question. You only asked after I told the guy to um um um take it easy. That's where that's the question you asked. You never asked me from the destination to the collision how long I took. >> We we are getting there. We getting there. What was that? I thought >> So for the purpose of this sitting, we would label um Rodney Bay as point A. >> Mhm. >> We would register the point of the collision as point B. >> Mhm. >> For clear guidance. So from point A to point B, how long did your vessel take to travel that distance? >> Um your own estimate. >> We left we left around a little like after 10 collision happened around 11:55. So I think we take like hour plus total to get to the collision cuz as I said we were going at a moderate speed. We we didn't have much speed. So from point A to point B, I'll say roughly an hour plus cuz we left Rodney Bay – Gros Islet ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0537","P3-U0538","P3-U0539","P3-U0540","P3-U0541","P3-U0542","P3-U0543","P3-U0544","P3-U0545","P3-U0546","P3-U0547","P3-U0548","P3-U0549","P3-U0550","P3-U0551","P3-U0552"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[{"id":"D1P3-C012","title":"Reading correction","text":"win jama → Windjammer. Repeated phonetic rendering of Windjammer in the same witness’s slowdown/location discussion. Correct the landmark spelling without validating the witness’s timing or examiner’s inference. No independent audio verification."},{"id":"D1-V2-C043","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"Robo Grizzly → Rodney Bay – Gros Islet. Reviewer supplied the paired departure-place label. Preserve the dash as punctuation, not an invented spoken “or”. "}]},{"id":"P3-046","part":3,"ordinal":46,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalrescue","char_start":50048,"char_end":51070,"first_asr_turn":553,"last_asr_turn":570,"raw_text":">> for like after 10. After 10:00 >> closer to 11 or closer to >> Yeah, around like 10:45 there about 10:45 >> and the collision happened like 11:55. >> So that would be an hour >> like an hour plus approximately an hour plus >> including the stop. >> Yeah, including the stop and everything. So visibility was poor as you indicated. Yeah. >> But did you see it? >> Mhm. >> Did you see Furo rock? Barl O. You familiar with that area? >> Repeat yourself. >> There's a rock called Furo Rock or Barl Obif. It's the rock in the water between >> Well, where I was seated, you know, I'm a short individual. Where I was seated, I was seated right in front of the console. So I couldn't have seen much. you know, my focus I was just watching in front of my boat, you know, and sometimes I'd watch on the shoreline where I could have seen lights. >> Okay. So, you did not see that rock? >> I didn't. >> But would you you are familiar with that area? >> I'm aware of that. I know what you're talking the big rock outside of Brazil. ","display_text":">> for like after 10. After 10:00 >> closer to 11 or closer to >> Yeah, around like 10:45 there about 10:45 >> and the collision happened like 11:55. >> So that would be an hour >> like an hour plus approximately an hour plus >> including the stop. >> Yeah, including the stop and everything. So visibility was poor as you indicated. Yeah. >> But did you see it? >> Mhm. >> Did you see Furo rock? Labrellotte Bay You familiar with that area? >> Repeat yourself. >> There's a rock called Furo Rock or Barrel of Beef. It's the rock in the water between >> Well, where I was seated, you know, I'm a short individual. Where I was seated, I was seated right in front of the console. So I couldn't have seen much. you know, my focus I was just watching in front of my boat, you know, and sometimes I'd watch on the shoreline where I could have seen lights. >> Okay. So, you did not see that rock? >> I didn't. >> But would you you are familiar with that area? >> I'm aware of that. I know what you're talking the big rock outside of Gros Islet. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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Furo rock remains unresolved. Preserve the reviewer’s exact local punctuation; do not use the copied raw Barl Obif later in the excerpt to revert the existing Barrel of Beef correction. "},{"id":"D1-V2-C045","title":"Returned-review correction","text":"outside of Brazil. → outside of Gros Islet.. Reviewer identified Gros Islet. Do not revert the existing Windjammer correction in copied context. "},{"id":"D1-R29","title":"Review item still open","text":"Labrellotte Bay applied to the first bay fragment. Furo rock remains unresolved. This response does not resolve the precise rock-name spelling. R30 repeats old Barl O. only in copied context; it is not a deliberate rejection of R29’s explicit Labrellotte Bay edit."},{"id":"D1-R30","title":"Review item still open","text":"No new change because the response says Not sure about this. Furo Rock remains unresolved; the earlier logged Barrel of Beef spelling is retained. Furo Rock remains unresolved. Retain the previously logged v1 Barrel of Beef correction; do not replace it with tentative Barrel o’beif or copied Barl Obif."}]},{"id":"P3-047","part":3,"ordinal":47,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalrescue","char_start":51070,"char_end":52302,"first_asr_turn":571,"last_asr_turn":584,"raw_text":">> Outside of Win Jama that area just >> Yes, we pass >> between we pass to the shoreline like close to the shoreline. But this light, you did not see the rock, but the rock is fitted with a flashing light. >> I didn't see the I didn't see that rocket. And Slasper ensure that that light I think you have two flashes every 5 seconds to indicate the presence of the rock. It's what you call a navigational aid, but you did not see it. >> Well, I didn't. >> So, my other question to you, you did not see the rock, but you had Mr. your lookout. >> Mhm. >> Sitting almost on the bow. >> Mhm. >> Did he receive any major injury? >> Did he receive any >> any major injury as a result of the accident? Actually, >> um from what I saw, yeah, he had received some blows to his his knee. He had a um how you call that? Uh how you calling that? A crutch. He had a crutch. But those guys don't take those things serious. He he I saw he was in I saw he had some some some >> some injuries. So from what commissioner defes was asking you we were trying and we are still trying to establish how could someone sit at that point if you look at the magnitude. Have you seen your vessel since the accident? Have you seen your boat since the accident? ","display_text":">> Outside of Windjammer that area just >> Yes, we pass >> between we pass to the shoreline like close to the shoreline. But this light, you did not see the rock, but the rock is fitted with a flashing light. >> I didn't see the I didn't see that rocket. And Slasper ensure that that light I think you have two flashes every 5 seconds to indicate the presence of the rock. It's what you call a navigational aid, but you did not see it. >> Well, I didn't. >> So, my other question to you, you did not see the rock, but you had Mr. your lookout. >> Mhm. >> Sitting almost on the bow. >> Mhm. >> Did he receive any major injury? >> Did he receive any >> any major injury as a result of the accident? Actually, >> um from what I saw, yeah, he had received some blows to his his knee. He had a um how you call that? Uh how you calling that? A crutch. He had a crutch. But those guys don't take those things serious. He he I saw he was in I saw he had some some some >> some injuries. 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No independent audio verification."}]},{"id":"P3-048","part":3,"ordinal":48,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"pascalrescue","char_start":52302,"char_end":53336,"first_asr_turn":585,"last_asr_turn":595,"raw_text":">> Repeat yourself. >> Have you seen your boat since the accident? >> Yes I've seen Well, I've seen pictures. The boat itself. Have you seen it? >> Yeah, I've seen pictures. >> The boat. Have you seen the boat itself? The boat. The physical boat. >> Like which boat? My boat or your boat? >> Your boat. >> My boat. I've seen it on photo on on phone. >> But you've not seen the boat itself? >> No, I haven't gone to see the boat ever since. But if you look at the magnitude of the destruction or the the damage to the boat, the entire portion of the bow towards the starboard side, which is the Raj side, is damaged, which means your lookout would have received severe damage or possibly died during the collision. >> Well, on what side it was? He was on the left hand side. The impact was more like on the on the right hand side. He was on that side of the boat. They say that's the boat. He was on that side. All impact was there. He was one of the guys who flew outside of the boat. He was flew outside of the boat from the impact. ","display_text":">> Repeat yourself. >> Have you seen your boat since the accident? >> Yes I've seen Well, I've seen pictures. The boat itself. Have you seen it? >> Yeah, I've seen pictures. >> The boat. Have you seen the boat itself? The boat. The physical boat. >> Like which boat? My boat or your boat? >> Your boat. >> My boat. I've seen it on photo on on phone. >> But you've not seen the boat itself? >> No, I haven't gone to see the boat ever since. But if you look at the magnitude of the destruction or the the damage to the boat, the entire portion of the bow towards the starboard side, which is the Raj side, is damaged, which means your lookout would have received severe damage or possibly died during the collision. >> Well, on what side it was? He was on the left hand side. The impact was more like on the on the right hand side. He was on that side of the boat. They say that's the boat. He was on that side. All impact was there. He was one of the guys who flew outside of the boat. He was flew outside of the boat from the impact. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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You would have agree with me that you have failed with your responsibility to ask the lookout what did he see? Did he see anything or what happened? Well, as I said, I haven't asked him, but from what the cap the captain has been questioning him and he's been saying that he didn't see anything. That's what he's been saying. But for me to go and ask him any question, I haven't asked him any question. But the captain did. >> So I am speaking in the context of you as the owner of the vessel. >> Mhm. >> Because remember here four individual lost their lives. Mhm. >> And to me, from the 18th of July to now, it would be rather strange that you have not as your lookout anything concerning what he may have seen or not. July, August, September, October. Well, as I said, I heard cuz we always among each other and you know, sometimes the topic come ups and you know, so I've known you know what was being said. But for me see I asked him I have not but I've already heard like what transpired like if if he saw anything if he didn't see anything and you know what he's been saying he didn't see anything coming. ","display_text":">> But it it still does not give us the idea how he could have been seated in a specific area. >> Mhm. >> And would not have seen anything. And to compound the matter, you have not found it fit to ask him as the boat owner because that would have been your responsibility. >> Mhm. >> So would you say that you have failed in your responsibility? You would agree with me that you have >> I feel >> just wait. You would have agree with me that you have failed with your responsibility to ask the lookout what did he see? Did he see anything or what happened? Well, as I said, I haven't asked him, but from what the cap the captain has been questioning him and he's been saying that he didn't see anything. That's what he's been saying. But for me to go and ask him any question, I haven't asked him any question. But the captain did. >> So I am speaking in the context of you as the owner of the vessel. >> Mhm. >> Because remember here four individual lost their lives. Mhm. >> And to me, from the 18th of July to now, it would be rather strange that you have not as your lookout anything concerning what he may have seen or not. July, August, September, October. Well, as I said, I heard cuz we always among each other and you know, sometimes the topic come ups and you know, so I've known you know what was being said. But for me see I asked him I have not but I've already heard like what transpired like if if he saw anything if he didn't see anything and you know what he's been saying he didn't see anything coming. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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I've never said I've never said that. >> Okay. >> I've never never said boots traveling at whatever RPM. I haven't said that. I'm not the captain. >> So, you have no idea. Have you ever driven that vessel? >> Well, I've driven it. I've driven it, but I don't know how much RPM he was driving at that night. >> Because based on based on what based on what you're trying to describe here is that if you use the basic navigational calculations >> Mhm. >> the speed, the time, the distance is not matching. It's not >> like what speed and what that not matching. I haven't said anything about speed. I said the guy was driving at a moderate speed. Well, yes, we were driving at a moderate speed and that's the time we took. That's the time it happened. So maybe I might like the time phrase we left maybe might be wrong because I say approximately, you know, I wasn't cuz at the time that happened there sometimes you wouldn't check your time to see what time you left. It's just assuming like what time we left. So on my ends, you know, you cannot blame me because I at the moment when we left, I didn't check time. I just said, you know, we left around ","display_text":">> So we remain on navigational terms because the lookout failed. >> Mhm. >> The lights apparently did not assist. So I am going on basic navigational procedures with you. >> Mhm. If your vessel were traveling at how many RPMs did you say? >> I'm not sure. I'm not the captain to be honest. I didn't say how many RPM it was traveling. I've never said I've never said that. >> Okay. >> I've never never said boots traveling at whatever RPM. I haven't said that. I'm not the captain. >> So, you have no idea. Have you ever driven that vessel? >> Well, I've driven it. I've driven it, but I don't know how much RPM he was driving at that night. >> Because based on based on what based on what you're trying to describe here is that if you use the basic navigational calculations >> Mhm. >> the speed, the time, the distance is not matching. It's not >> like what speed and what that not matching. I haven't said anything about speed. I said the guy was driving at a moderate speed. Well, yes, we were driving at a moderate speed and that's the time we took. That's the time it happened. So maybe I might like the time phrase we left maybe might be wrong because I say approximately, you know, I wasn't cuz at the time that happened there sometimes you wouldn't check your time to see what time you left. It's just assuming like what time we left. So on my ends, you know, you cannot blame me because I at the moment when we left, I didn't check time. I just said, you know, we left around ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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If it's a direct ride sometimes from suare to run there depend on the water some it will take you maybe an hour 30 minutes hour 25 it depend how you moving what engine not behind you you understand it depend it depend how fast you going what stops you making so it depend So, and I'm still I I'm still telling you that the the time the distance times multiply time speed is distance. >> Distance. If you're an owner of a boat, this it's simple calculation. >> Mhm. If you travel from point A to point B at such a speed, it will take you that amount of time. >> Yeah. Well, as I said, where we left from point A, it was about that time. Approximately that time when we get to the place when the incident happened, most people say it was around 11:55. But I'm saying what I could assume how long we take from point A to point B, I'd say within the range of 50 to an hour. Around that. ","display_text":">> approximately 10:45. >> Yeah, around that time. So it could be. But would it would it always take you an hour, hour and 15 minutes from Gros Islet to Soufrière? >> Well, it depend on how you move. If it's a direct ride sometimes from Soufrière to Rodney Bay, there depend on the water some it will take you maybe an hour 30 minutes hour 25 it depend how you moving what engine not behind you you understand it depend it depend how fast you going what stops you making so it depend So, and I'm still I I'm still telling you that the the time the distance times multiply time speed is distance. >> Distance. If you're an owner of a boat, this it's simple calculation. >> Mhm. If you travel from point A to point B at such a speed, it will take you that amount of time. >> Yeah. Well, as I said, where we left from point A, it was about that time. Approximately that time when we get to the place when the incident happened, most people say it was around 11:55. 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Do not infer one.","section":"pascalrescue","char_start":57419,"char_end":58497,"first_asr_turn":626,"last_asr_turn":638,"raw_text":">> 50 to an hour. >> Yes. >> So what did you do immediately upon impact? >> Um >> as the owner of the vessel. >> Well um what happened? Tyson. Tyson end up going assist after we heard some help. >> What did you do? >> That's what I'm saying. >> You What did you do? >> I went behind the I went behind the stair. I went behind the stair and try and bring the boat closer to shore cuz there was still passengers on board. So my intention was to try and bring the boat closer. So I went behind the stair. um Jonel which is Movado went behind the um the engine because at the time the steering it wasn't turning like everything had already disconnected but the engine was still on so Jel Movado went on control but I wasn't putting too much speed because you know the power of the 150 so you know I went at a little speed to try and reach closer to shore you know but we did not reach too far the boat end Same. >> Did you try to reach anybody >> like call? >> Yes. Um, so when the boat sunk, I grab a live vest and then I swim to the nearest boat which was a a catamaran or yacht. ","display_text":">> 50 to an hour. >> Yes. >> So what did you do immediately upon impact? >> Um >> as the owner of the vessel. >> Well um what happened? Tyson. Tyson end up going assist after we heard some help. >> What did you do? >> That's what I'm saying. >> You What did you do? >> I went behind the I went behind the stair. I went behind the stair and try and bring the boat closer to shore cuz there was still passengers on board. So my intention was to try and bring the boat closer. So I went behind the stair. um Jonel which is Movado went behind the um the engine because at the time the steering it wasn't turning like everything had already disconnected but the engine was still on so Jel Movado went on control but I wasn't putting too much speed because you know the power of the 150 so you know I went at a little speed to try and reach closer to shore you know but we did not reach too far the boat end Same. >> Did you try to reach anybody >> like call? >> Yes. Um, so when the boat sunk, I grab a live vest and then I swim to the nearest boat which was a a catamaran or yacht. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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So yes, I did make calls. >> But as a boat owner, you would be you would be um you should be familiar with the first person you call is 999 911, the emergency services. So even if you call 999 or 911 and you explain to them what happened, they would pass you on to the marine unit, the ancillary suare police and so on. The emergency services is the first person you call because you have nine persons whose life is in danger, not your auntie. >> Yeah, but at the time at the time panic mode and and and that's the only number I could remember. I didn't remember no police >> 911 and 91. I'm just telling you you telling me that there at the moment but in the event the the moment that happening there sometimes panic you know you you traumatize you you think is is your closest person you'll think to call so I call my auntie that's who I thought of that's the number I remembered at the time I called my auntie Because what what is key for me based on what Commissioner DJ the chairman and um commissioner defes have asked you is in terms of the documentation and the processes that that have gone by the way. But still for that we are trying to have you understand or probably put it in the open that despite all of that it it seems to be very casual for you seems to be ","display_text":">> Okay. >> Or you may call it. >> Okay. Understood. >> Went to there. So that's it. >> No. No. In terms of did you try to reach anybody? They were not going into. >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So when I reached there, that's why I started making some calls. There was a guy with a phone. >> I called my auntie. First person I called was my auntie and tell her that happened. So yes, I did make calls. >> But as a boat owner, you would be you would be um you should be familiar with the first person you call is 999 911, the emergency services. So even if you call 999 or 911 and you explain to them what happened, they would pass you on to the marine unit, the Anse La Raye - Soufrière police and so on. The emergency services is the first person you call because you have nine persons whose life is in danger, not your auntie. >> Yeah, but at the time at the time panic mode and and and that's the only number I could remember. I didn't remember no police >> 911 and 91. 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I'm hoping that you did take note of a number of things that were put to you or questions asked of you because there are it you may have given the impression I'm sure unintentionally but you may have given the impression that you you were a little casual about this and there yeah I'm not casual about it >> and there is nothing casual in this situation I'm saying I I doubt if you intended to convey that but I'm telling you what came across to us there is that you were a little casual. You know, we do that with story. >> That's what you took it as. But no, ","display_text":">> very casual the the mood and all of that it seems to be I am not sure if I am mistaken in my interpretation of your composure but it seems to be a very casual one that like casual about the situation. >> Yes. >> Uh no, I wouldn't say such. >> I think um there may be other questions but um Mr. Chair probably at another One more. Yeah, thank you for your evidence. Um, I do know do hope that you've taken note of a number of things which which came from us. I'm hoping that you did take note of a number of things that were put to you or questions asked of you because there are it you may have given the impression I'm sure unintentionally but you may have given the impression that you you were a little casual about this and there yeah I'm not casual about it >> and there is nothing casual in this situation I'm saying I I doubt if you intended to convey that but I'm telling you what came across to us there is that you were a little casual. You know, we do that with story. >> That's what you took it as. But no, ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. 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As I indicated, not just we have we have the lives of four people who were lost as a result of the collision and we have a number of incidents that have taken place, maritime incidents and accidents. All of this opportunity is being taken to explore all of that and to see what it is that has been done wrong and right and how we can correct it. And you are a boat operator and you should more than any of us here be taking this situation very very seriously. >> The impact it can have on your livelihood and on the lives of others. And as I said, this is what you were giving off to us. Doesn't mean that as you sat there, that is what you intended. But in terms of the way in which you were answering questions, I'm just telling you, you were giving off, you know, let's use colloquial terms. You were giving off a vibe. That wasn't good. That wasn't cool. ","display_text":">> I I'm speaking I'm speaking and I'm telling you how you came across to the commission as being a little casual about the procedures that yes, you're supposed to do that, but we do that with with guests, but we don't do that uh with with with locals. Um yes. Well, that's the what you that's what you say, that's what the papers say. This is much more serious than that. As I indicated, not just we have we have the lives of four people who were lost as a result of the collision and we have a number of incidents that have taken place, maritime incidents and accidents. All of this opportunity is being taken to explore all of that and to see what it is that has been done wrong and right and how we can correct it. And you are a boat operator and you should more than any of us here be taking this situation very very seriously. >> The impact it can have on your livelihood and on the lives of others. And as I said, this is what you were giving off to us. Doesn't mean that as you sat there, that is what you intended. But in terms of the way in which you were answering questions, I'm just telling you, you were giving off, you know, let's use colloquial terms. You were giving off a vibe. That wasn't good. That wasn't cool. ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0655","P3-U0656"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-056","part":3,"ordinal":56,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. Do not infer one.","section":"p3close","char_start":62404,"char_end":64058,"first_asr_turn":657,"last_asr_turn":660,"raw_text":">> Yeah. >> No, but that's the honest truth. I You wanted me to lie about the whole situation. I just we clearly not understanding each other. >> Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm casual like I answering the things like you know I don't it's not like I don't care and I'm casual about it. I'm just being realistic about you know how everything happened and what happened. It's not like I I casual about that's what you take it but that's not what it is with me. >> Yeah. And I'm just telling you that that you were coming off in that way. That as much as I want to think that you did not intend to come off that way, that you were coming off that way. I say this for your your benefit, for your guidance, you're in a a business that that things are happening that can cause modes of operation, operational practices, procedures, regulations, legislation to be altered based on what happened. and what should have happened and what didn't happen and you you should take very seriously this incident not just for it and of itself but for the whole future of the business that you you involved in. So I want to I want to take the opportunity to tell you those things. you are a boat owner, a boat operator and what as I said what has happened not just what has happened in this incident is extremely serious but there are other things that have happened or not happened uh which this commission will address and is addressing so just be mindful of that as I said and and be very much aware that we're into some serious serious what is it pun intended okay is there anything you wanted to say to to the commission before you end your your evidence? ","display_text":">> Yeah. >> No, but that's the honest truth. I You wanted me to lie about the whole situation. I just we clearly not understanding each other. >> Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm casual like I answering the things like you know I don't it's not like I don't care and I'm casual about it. I'm just being realistic about you know how everything happened and what happened. It's not like I I casual about that's what you take it but that's not what it is with me. >> Yeah. And I'm just telling you that that you were coming off in that way. That as much as I want to think that you did not intend to come off that way, that you were coming off that way. I say this for your your benefit, for your guidance, you're in a a business that that things are happening that can cause modes of operation, operational practices, procedures, regulations, legislation to be altered based on what happened. and what should have happened and what didn't happen and you you should take very seriously this incident not just for it and of itself but for the whole future of the business that you you involved in. So I want to I want to take the opportunity to tell you those things. you are a boat owner, a boat operator and what as I said what has happened not just what has happened in this incident is extremely serious but there are other things that have happened or not happened uh which this commission will address and is addressing so just be mindful of that as I said and and be very much aware that we're into some serious serious what is it pun intended okay is there anything you wanted to say to to the commission before you end your your evidence? ","speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers. Examination-session label is an editorial inference, not a diarized speaker identification.","source_unit_ids":["P3-U0657","P3-U0658","P3-U0659","P3-U0660"],"day":1,"date":"2026-10-13","edition":"User-reviewed reading edition v2; original remains available.","annotations":[]},{"id":"P3-057","part":3,"ordinal":57,"timestamp":null,"timestamp_type":"No source timestamp supplied. 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Officer Hillodor, thank you. and the members of the public who have come in and those who are following the inquiry online. Thank you for joining us this morning. We are going to continue the proceedings as we ended yesterday in hearing witness testimony from a number of witnesses who were on this occasion aboard the vessel Cazorla Jr the number of persons who have come in to give witness testimony this morning chair. So we will commence um immediately.","display_text":"I'd also like to acknowledge our witnesses who have come to give testimony this morning. Officer Hillodor, thank you. and the members of the public who have come in and those who are following the inquiry online. Thank you for joining us this morning. We are going to continue the proceedings as we ended yesterday in hearing witness testimony from a number of witnesses who were on this occasion aboard the vessel Cazorla Jr the number of persons who have come in to give witness testimony this morning chair. So we will commence um immediately.","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A001","title":"Opening installment within the complete Day 2 record","text":"This part runs from the opening through the lunch recess at recording offset 02:10:43 and contains Taylor and Williams. Parts II and III are now included in this edition. The officer’s name rendered Hillodor remains unnormalized. 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First, could you state your name, address, and occupation? >> My name is Taylor Rivier. I live development Soufriere. And I >> You live where? >> New development. >> And I work as a spa receptionist. Now, please remember to always speak into the microphone so that we can all hear you clearly.","display_text":"we will have to proceed without a written document statement from her. Yeah. >> Very well. Yes. Good morning to you, Miss River. First, could you state your name, address, and occupation? >> My name is Taylor Rivier. I live development Soufriere. And I >> You live where? >> New development. >> And I work as a spa receptionist. 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Would you say that's normal? That's >> Yes, >> that's how you do it. Okay. So, you were looking at the stars and you recall what exactly happened? >> Uh, no. I just heard the noise whilst I was and then I was in the water. >> What kind of noise did you hear? >> It was a loud bang. >> A bang? >> Yes. >> Did you hear any crushing? Did you","display_text":"vessel bouncing up and down looking at the stars. Would you say that's normal? That's >> Yes, >> that's how you do it. Okay. So, you were looking at the stars and you recall what exactly happened? >> Uh, no. I just heard the noise whilst I was and then I was in the water. >> What kind of noise did you hear? >> It was a loud bang. >> A bang? >> Yes. >> Did you hear any crushing? 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Uh the talking was not throughout the entire journey. They were talking maybe once in a while. So there were few a few moments of silence. Did you observe um whether the captain was distracted by anything during the journey? >> No. >> Were you able to see any vessels in the water at any point? Any other vessels? Um, there might have been a yacht a distance away. And how were you able to identify that","display_text":"quiet trip. Could you explain exactly what you mean when you say a quiet trip? Uh the talking was not throughout the entire journey. They were talking maybe once in a while. So there were few a few moments of silence. Did you observe um whether the captain was distracted by anything during the journey? >> No. >> Were you able to see any vessels in the water at any point? Any other vessels? Um, there might have been a yacht a distance away. 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Thank you for taking time to come out to","display_text":"and you stated earlier that it was a normal practice not to wear a life jacket because you could have been you were able to swim. But you would agree that being able to swim doesn't necessarily protect you from injuries or unconsciousness following a collision from an accident. I agree. >> Was it your answer? >> I said I agree. That's all for me. Thank you. >> Good morning, Miss Rivier. How are you? >> Morning. I'm all right. >> Good. Thanks. Thank you for taking time to come out to","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P1-P0068","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":1,"ordinal":68,"timestamp":"01:05:59","section":"d2p1-taylor","char_start":27904,"char_end":28312,"raw_text":"- **[01:05:59]** discuss with us this morning and to give us some clear indication on what may have happened on the 18th of July this year. But even before I go into questioning, um I would like to just go through something you said earlier on and you quoted that it is not the first time that you've been out on a boat. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> And you can swim? >> Yes, I can. Have you ever been offered","display_text":"discuss with us this morning and to give us some clear indication on what may have happened on the 18th of July this year. But even before I go into questioning, um I would like to just go through something you said earlier on and you quoted that it is not the first time that you've been out on a boat. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> And you can swim? >> Yes, I can. Have you ever been offered","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P1-P0069","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":1,"ordinal":69,"timestamp":"01:06:39","section":"d2p1-taylor","char_start":28313,"char_end":28694,"raw_text":"- **[01:06:39]** a life jacket or a life vest by either the captain or the crew prior to this? Any on any particular boat ride before this one? >> Uh, yes. >> Did you wear it? >> No, >> you didn't. So, we're going to the 18th of July this year. How long? And you said it was a round trip from Soufriere to Gile. 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Yes. >> You also said that the gentleman who requested the life jacket, he put on that life jacket at what point in your judgment? What part of the land reference to? >> As in how many minutes into the trip? >> Yes. >> Probably 30 45 minutes into the trip. >> And that's sorry just to clarify that's the trip from Soufriere to Pigeon Point or the other way around? >> From Pigeon Point to Soufriere. from Pigeon","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A023","title":"Timing estimates cannot fix a position","text":"The jacket is placed approximately five minutes before impact, with varying estimates of elapsed voyage time. Taylor repeatedly says she cannot identify shoreline landmarks or the exact clock time. 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You said that the gentleman asked for a life jacket. >> Yes. >> And he was given a life jacket. >> Yes. >> So between Fusion Point and the impact, where did he ask for the life jacket? >> I will not be sure of the location. I can just tell you it was about 5 minutes before the accident. >> 5 minutes before the accident. Previously, I'm just bringing to your attention. Previously you said off Winjama","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A023","title":"Timing estimates cannot fix a position","text":"The jacket is placed approximately five minutes before impact, with varying estimates of elapsed voyage time. Taylor repeatedly says she cannot identify shoreline landmarks or the exact clock time. 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So it would clearly indicate that between being adjacent to ancillary and the impact that vessel would have traveled 5 minutes in that period of time. >> 5 minutes or less >> less than that. >> Yeah. So basically if you were to give me an idea in terms of on the street how many poles length just a rough idea from the time he received the jacket to the point of the the um accident >> I would not know","display_text":">> Yes. >> Right. So it would clearly indicate that between being adjacent to ancillary and the impact that vessel would have traveled 5 minutes in that period of time. >> 5 minutes or less >> less than that. >> Yeah. So basically if you were to give me an idea in terms of on the street how many poles length just a rough idea from the time he received the jacket to the point of the the um accident >> I would not know","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A030","title":"The guessed pole distance was withdrawn","text":"Anse La Raye (rendered ‘ancillary’) is introduced by the questioner. Taylor says she does not know the distance, guesses three or four poles only when pressed, and agrees the guess could be six or seven. The intervening clarification expressly says not to record three or four as fact. 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You say you can guess and can see about three or four. >> Your guess can also say six or seven. >> Yes, it can. Cuz I don't know the distance. >> So, you don't know what the distance was?","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A030","title":"The guessed pole distance was withdrawn","text":"Anse La Raye (rendered ‘ancillary’) is introduced by the questioner. Taylor says she does not know the distance, guesses three or four poles only when pressed, and agrees the guess could be six or seven. The intervening clarification expressly says not to record three or four as fact. 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I think we have established quite well this approximate speed and the time the boat travel from Gile to Ascosaw. We're now at the point of the impact and you're now in the water. Did you notice the captain or the owner of the vessel? What did you notice immediately after the impact? What were they doing?","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A030","title":"The guessed pole distance was withdrawn","text":"Anse La Raye (rendered ‘ancillary’) is introduced by the questioner. Taylor says she does not know the distance, guesses three or four poles only when pressed, and agrees the guess could be six or seven. The intervening clarification expressly says not to record three or four as fact. 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So you on the right side of Cazorla? >> Yes, he was in the middle. >> He was in the middle. But based on the description, okay, we can skip that because I think we kind of established that. I want to ask you some little questions and I want to take you through the motions of what","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A031","title":"A useful but limited seat relationship","text":"Taylor places Williams to her left, in the middle, while she was on the right. This supports a relative seating diagram. 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What was it doing? >> Um, it was drifting away, but the engine was off. >> Drifting west away from land or >> towards the shore? >> Towards the shore.","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A032","title":"Relative drift and later accounts of engine movement","text":"Taylor describes Cazorla drifting shoreward with its engine off. The questioner supplies wind/current direction and differing drift rates; these mechanisms are not measured evidence. Later witnesses give accounts of post-impact engine or vessel movement. 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But then ocean currents would predict that you are drifting away from land because the wind blow from east to west. >> Yes. The piece of boat was away from land. >> The piece of boat >> was further out. >> Further out.","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A032","title":"Relative drift and later accounts of engine movement","text":"Taylor describes Cazorla drifting shoreward with its engine off. The questioner supplies wind/current direction and differing drift rates; these mechanisms are not measured evidence. Later witnesses give accounts of post-impact engine or vessel movement. 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So you move towards it but closer to you. >> Yes. >> You understand fully the question that you ask. >> Yeah. So the rain always blow from east to west except in hurricane or other extraordinary times >> barely inland","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A032","title":"Relative drift and later accounts of engine movement","text":"Taylor describes Cazorla drifting shoreward with its engine off. The questioner supplies wind/current direction and differing drift rates; these mechanisms are not measured evidence. Later witnesses give accounts of post-impact engine or vessel movement. 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But since you were closer to the the wreckage, you decided to swim towards it. >> Yes. >> How many persons were on the wreckage in total when you got there? >> Including myself? >> Yes. >> I would say roughly five five or six. >> Five or six persons. >> Yeah.","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A032","title":"Relative drift and later accounts of engine movement","text":"Taylor describes Cazorla drifting shoreward with its engine off. The questioner supplies wind/current direction and differing drift rates; these mechanisms are not measured evidence. Later witnesses give accounts of post-impact engine or vessel movement. 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Did you see the marine police vessel there during that time? >> No. >> Not at all.","display_text":"of Miss Netor or the the other lady who unfortunately passed? >> Miss Neestor, >> you know her? >> I don't know her personally. >> So, are you sure the body that was recovered and taken a show with you was the body of Miss Netor or the other individual? I'm sure it was Miss Neestor. >> Okay. Did you see the marine police vessel there during that time? >> No. >> Not at all.","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A013","title":"The recovered woman's identity still needs reconciliation","text":"Taylor identifies ‘Z’ / ‘Miss Nestor,’ is unsure of the first name, and later says she is sure of Miss Nestor although she did not know her personally. The candidate is Mhakeida Nestor, known as Zee, using official spelling and public reporting. 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I can tell you for","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A035","title":"No observed rescue-vessel strike is established","text":"Taylor describes a very slow approach, people looking around, and no observed bang/contact. She later concedes a theoretical possibility after repeated questioning, including a ‘1%’ proposition and unspecified ‘other evidence.’ That concession is not eyewitness evidence that a rescue vessel hit anyone. The unidentified evidence is not available in this excerpt for independent evaluation.","related_ids":["D2P1-P0127"],"category":"evidence"}]},{"id":"D2P1-P0094","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":1,"ordinal":94,"timestamp":"01:21:08","section":"d2p1-taylor","char_start":38881,"char_end":39362,"raw_text":"- **[01:21:08]** sure. >> Okay. So, he was Let's go slow. He was approaching you rendering some assistance. That's correct. Approaching the piece of um Ocean Angel with five of you on board. So he was coming to help you all as best as he could. >> Yes. Do you think or are you sure that during that process moving through the wreckage it probably would be possible for that vessel to have come into contact with any of the other persons whether deceased or injured trying to rescue","display_text":"sure. >> Okay. So, he was Let's go slow. He was approaching you rendering some assistance. That's correct. Approaching the piece of um Ocean Angel with five of you on board. So he was coming to help you all as best as he could. >> Yes. 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Operate that vessel on his own before?","display_text":"agree with that or would you deny that it had lights on? >> I would not know. >> You would not know. >> No. Just one more question, Mr. Chair. Okay. >> Um, you are familiar with the owner of that vessel, Cazorla? >> Yes. >> Have he driven you on that vessel before? Have you he driven the vessel and you've been on board or have you seen him driven um drive that vessel before? Operate that vessel on his own before?","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A025","title":"Not seeing Ocean Angel does not establish unlit travel","text":"Taylor was looking at stars, could not see ahead from her seat and did not see Ocean Angel approach. At 01:26:23 she expressly says she would not know whether its lights were on. Read the earlier negative observation within that limitation. 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Uh there's a possibility that you may be recalled at some time if there's anything that arises after the uh other witnesses have given evidence. If there's anything that arises that requires us to get further information from you, you will be called for that purpose. Not not necessarily likely but possible and I just thought you needed to be alert to that fact. >> Sure. >> Very well. >> Um chair, bearing in mind Miss Rivier's","display_text":">> No. >> Very well. Uh there's a possibility that you may be recalled at some time if there's anything that arises after the uh other witnesses have given evidence. If there's anything that arises that requires us to get further information from you, you will be called for that purpose. 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The next afternoon. >> The afternoon of the 19th. >> Uh-huh. >> That's when I went home. >> Oh, you went home on the afternoon of the 19th. You had arrived at at Soufriere Hospital sometime during the early","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P1-P0135","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":1,"ordinal":135,"timestamp":"01:47:01","section":"d2p1-williams","char_start":56869,"char_end":57269,"raw_text":"- **[01:47:01]** morning hours >> and and then you left sometime in the afternoon. You were discharged sometime in the afternoon >> from St. Jud >> from St. Jude. >> Yes, cuz I went to St. Jude with Taylor. >> Okay. >> Yes. Anything else you want to tell us? >> No. >> Okay. The other commissioners will ask questions of you. I may come back to you. >> Nice. >> Good afternoon to you. Good afternoon.","display_text":"morning hours >> and and then you left sometime in the afternoon. You were discharged sometime in the afternoon >> from St. Jud >> from St. Jude. >> Yes, cuz I went to St. Jude with Taylor. >> Okay. >> Yes. Anything else you want to tell us? >> No. >> Okay. The other commissioners will ask questions of you. I may come back to you. >> Nice. >> Good afternoon to you. Good afternoon.","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A047","title":"Pickup, accompaniment and no claimed injury to Williams","text":"The ambiguous early ambulance wording is corrected within the exchange: Williams and Taylor left Canaries in a pickup. He later accompanied her to St Jude and expressly says he suffered no injury. 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None at all? >> No. >> You mentioned that you don't like the ocean? >> No. >> However, and you're not a swimmer, I'm correct. >> No. So when you boarded the vessel at 4:30 or so at Soufriere Jetty, you're not a swimmer and you have a fear","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A047","title":"Pickup, accompaniment and no claimed injury to Williams","text":"The ambiguous early ambulance wording is corrected within the exchange: Williams and Taylor left Canaries in a pickup. He later accompanied her to St Jude and expressly says he suffered no injury. 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You mentioned that the >> before you said you trusted them. What did you say? >> They are not new to this. They are not new to this. Like that's their they do water taxi and stuff. So well I know that because of the area they're from. That's what they mainly do in the area. So you trusted them because they in >> they're not new to the water. >> They are not new to the water. >> They're not new to the water. Okay. >> That's right. >> You made mention during","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P1-P0143","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":1,"ordinal":143,"timestamp":"01:51:32","section":"d2p1-williams","char_start":60218,"char_end":60587,"raw_text":"- **[01:51:32]** the journey back to Soufriere that the owner said these words to the captain. Take it easy. Not not so fast. He said, \"Take it easy.\" >> And what was the captain's response to that? >> I cannot recall what he said, but he did take it easy. >> But the captain Tyson took it easy from then on. What would have prompted the owner to tell the captain that?","display_text":"the journey back to Soufriere that the owner said these words to the captain. Take it easy. Not not so fast. He said, \"Take it easy.\" >> And what was the captain's response to that? >> I cannot recall what he said, but he did take it easy. >> But the captain Tyson took it easy from then on. 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Um, I have listened to your delivery this morning and I believe that Commissioner Defreitas was very thorough in terms of what he was asking, very open in terms of basic information that he was trying to have you relay. And even in his questions, I think they were professionally placed where we could have gotten the best out of it. But based on your answers,","display_text":">> Miss Mr. Williams. Good morning. >> Good afternoon. Good morning. >> Good afternoon. Oh, thank you. Um, I have listened to your delivery this morning and I believe that Commissioner Defreitas was very thorough in terms of what he was asking, very open in terms of basic information that he was trying to have you relay. And even in his questions, I think they were professionally placed where we could have gotten the best out of it. But based on your answers,","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P1-P0146","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":1,"ordinal":146,"timestamp":"01:53:49","section":"d2p1-williams","char_start":61504,"char_end":61981,"raw_text":"- **[01:53:49]** based on what you gave to this commission, I would like to bring you into the world of navigation which you probably is you're not too familiar as you said with that was your first. So just for your information, the distance between Soufriere and Pigeon Point is roughly 14 to 15 miles nautical miles or 26 to 27 kilometers. information. On average, a speedboat if it travel strict and it takes 30 to 45 minutes, it would have to travel between 20 to 30 knots,","display_text":"based on what you gave to this commission, I would like to bring you into the world of navigation which you probably is you're not too familiar as you said with that was your first. So just for your information, the distance between Soufriere and Pigeon Point is roughly 14 to 15 miles nautical miles or 26 to 27 kilometers. information. On average, a speedboat if it travel strict and it takes 30 to 45 minutes, it would have to travel between 20 to 30 knots,","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A050","title":"The numerical speed is a questioner's estimate, not a measurement","text":"Using the questioner's assumed 14–15 nautical miles, 45 minutes gives about 18.7–20 knots average, not ‘at least 30’; 30 minutes would give 28–30 knots, and 60 minutes 14–15 knots. The distance and timings are unverified. Even a valid whole-trip average would not establish collision speed after a reported slowdown and stop. 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It's very easy to do that based on what you may have experienced because you said you left at 4:30 approximate. >> Yeah. >> 4:30 in the afternoon. You all took about 45 minutes roughly to get there. That vessel would have to to push up at least 30 knots. So just imagine a vessel with so that vessel would have to travel at approximately 20 between 20 to 30 knots.","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A050","title":"The numerical speed is a questioner's estimate, not a measurement","text":"Using the questioner's assumed 14–15 nautical miles, 45 minutes gives about 18.7–20 knots average, not ‘at least 30’; 30 minutes would give 28–30 knots, and 60 minutes 14–15 knots. The distance and timings are unverified. Even a valid whole-trip average would not establish collision speed after a reported slowdown and stop. 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And then the next part of that is that the the captain has not the owner said to the captain, \"Take it easy or slow down.\" Yes. Would it not be correct? Would it be correct to say that you were not comfortable one with the speed, two, something told you that the captain would have seen something outside of the ordinary based on the sea condition, the speed to ask him to slow down. And thirdly,","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"D2P1-A048","title":"The witness repeatedly rejects the proposed motive","text":"Williams distinguishes his general fear of the ocean from the particular reason he asked for a jacket. He describes instinct/religious prompting, and does not accept the repeatedly proposed explanation that unsafe speed caused the request. 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You can read the phone and just say I your name and then >> I am I am Japan. >> So swear. >> Say it again. >> Do solemnly swear >> to tell the whole truth. >> to tell the whole truth >> and nothing but the truth. >> And nothing but the truth. >> So help me God. Mr. Chair, Mr. Edward has been given a copy of the witness statement that we received that was tabled before the\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-003","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":3,"timestamp":"00:03:52","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":928,"char_end":1399,"raw_text":"[00:03:52] commission. So he has had an opportunity to peruse that document. >> Before we start the questioning of Mr. Japier, I unfortunately I have to apologize twice in one day for a late start. But in fairness to the persons who have been here and and waiting, I believe they deserve an apology >> because we starting about 50 minutes later than the the time that we announced. >> Okay. >> I then want to have you to understand that this is in no way deliberate, no\n\n","display_text":"commission. So he has had an opportunity to peruse that document. >> Before we start the questioning of Mr. Japier, I unfortunately I have to apologize twice in one day for a late start. 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Uh crew first meet. >> Is there a particular boat on which you are the first mate? >> Uh Israel King both. >> I beg your pardon. Israel King Balls. >> And did you on the 21st day of July 2026 give a statement to the police? >> Yes. >> Did you were you given a copy of that statement to read?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-006","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":6,"timestamp":"00:06:21","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":2236,"char_end":2740,"raw_text":"[00:06:21] >> Yes. And are you satisfied that it is true and correct as to what you did say to the officer on the 21st of July 2026? >> Yes sir. >> Is there anything you wish to say to us at this stage before specific questions are put to you? >> Not really. So we are not going to go over everything you have in your statement. We have read your statement as you have and we're just going to ask you some questions arising from the statement but not so much to go through what you have already stated.\n\n","display_text":">> Yes. And are you satisfied that it is true and correct as to what you did say to the officer on the 21st of July 2026? >> Yes sir. >> Is there anything you wish to say to us at this stage before specific questions are put to you? >> Not really. So we are not going to go over everything you have in your statement. We have read your statement as you have and we're just going to ask you some questions arising from the statement but not so much to go through what you have already stated.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-007","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":7,"timestamp":"00:07:09","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":2740,"char_end":3091,"raw_text":"[00:07:09] >> Yeah no problem chairman. Okay. Good day, sir. How are you doing? >> I'm good. >> Good. >> Yeah. I just want to ask you a few questions now and then later on I I will lose a few additional. But first of all, you indicated that on the 18th of July this year you were on the vessel. >> Yeah. >> Which vessel were you on? >> Azola Junior.\n\n","display_text":">> Yeah no problem chairman. Okay. Good day, sir. How are you doing? >> I'm good. >> Good. >> Yeah. I just want to ask you a few questions now and then later on I I will lose a few additional. But first of all, you indicated that on the 18th of July this year you were on the vessel. >> Yeah. >> Which vessel were you on? >> Azola Junior.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-008","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":8,"timestamp":"00:08:19","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":3091,"char_end":3599,"raw_text":"[00:08:19] >> Azola Jr. You also stated that your occupation is a crew. Are you crew certified or you just do you have anything indicating that you're certified crew member? >> Uh I'm just working on it. >> So you are not so >> Okay. So you are not a certified crew person. You don't have a certificate. You don't have an ID. You are working towards becoming. >> Yeah. I have a um swing captain. Yeah. 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So which means you would know the responsibility of a captain or a crew member on a vessel >> but more crew it does >> I repeat would you you said you are a certified captain captain coxin the same thing coxwin >> right you have that certificate\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-010","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":10,"timestamp":"00:09:40","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":3974,"char_end":4345,"raw_text":"[00:09:40] >> yeah I have the certificate >> right so you would know the the responsibilities of a captain and also a crew member on a vessel. >> Yeah. >> So on the 18th of July 2026, did you travel on the Kazola from Sufre to Grill? >> No. So you only traveled from How did you end up on the vessel? >> I came up on the Friday. I went to the street party. 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I'll just go back down with them. >> So how did you get back to Sufra that evening? >> I went on Kazola Jr. >> Kazora Jr.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-012","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":12,"timestamp":"00:11:04","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":4780,"char_end":5154,"raw_text":"[00:11:04] >> Yeah. >> Where did you board that vessel? Uh in Rodney Bay next to the party. >> Next to the park. >> Yeah. >> At what time did you leave the park? >> I left like 20 11. That's the time me and Wabby left. >> You left Rodney Bay 20 11? >> Yeah. >> That's that's exactly 40 minutes before midnight. Correct. >> Yeah. Where were you sitting on Kazula? >> Where?\n\n","display_text":">> Yeah. >> Where did you board that vessel? Uh in Rodney Bay next to the party. >> Next to the park. >> Yeah. >> At what time did you leave the park? >> I left like 20 11. That's the time me and Wabby left. >> You left Rodney Bay 20 11? >> Yeah. >> That's that's exactly 40 minutes before midnight. Correct. >> Yeah. 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After a commissioner explains red-port/green-starboard, he agrees he sat on the red/port side. Later he again says right-hand side. This is not proof the actual boat’s lights were installed backwards. Use an unresolved side marker in seating diagrams. His colour terminology is unreliable even though he consistently reports that red and green lights were on.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-014","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":14,"timestamp":"00:12:12","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":5474,"char_end":5866,"raw_text":"[00:12:12] >> No. >> Was the vessel fitted with lights? >> Yes. >> Were the lights on? >> Yes. >> How did you know the lights were on? >> They were the red, which is the starboard and the port. They were on. So, they were had the bow. So what side was the green light? >> The green light is on the left side. >> On the left side? >> Yeah. Which is >> You sure about this? >> The port. Yeah.\n\n","display_text":">> No. >> Was the vessel fitted with lights? >> Yes. >> Were the lights on? >> Yes. >> How did you know the lights were on? >> They were the red, which is the starboard and the port. They were on. So, they were had the bow. So what side was the green light? >> The green light is on the left side. >> On the left side? >> Yeah. Which is >> You sure about this? >> The port. Yeah.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E02","title":"Cazorla side and navigation-light knowledge need separating","text":"Edward first says he sat on starboard, then reverses port/starboard light colours. After a commissioner explains red-port/green-starboard, he agrees he sat on the red/port side. Later he again says right-hand side. This is not proof the actual boat’s lights were installed backwards. Use an unresolved side marker in seating diagrams. His colour terminology is unreliable even though he consistently reports that red and green lights were on.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-015","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":15,"timestamp":"00:12:43","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":5866,"char_end":6226,"raw_text":"[00:12:43] >> The green light. You are you are captain. You also serve as crew which is okay legal. >> Yeah. >> But um and you sure that the green light which is the starboard side? Green light is the port. >> Green light is the port. >> Yeah. >> Red starboard. Is there a a special exam so to speak for the literature you're given? Because to the best of my\n\n","display_text":">> The green light. You are you are captain. You also serve as crew which is okay legal. >> Yeah. >> But um and you sure that the green light which is the starboard side? 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And the right side, which is green, is the opposite. >> As I see, it's a red and a green light. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So you were sitting on the side of the green or the red? >> The red. >> So which means you were sitting on the port side of the vessel. Is that correct?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E02","title":"Cazorla side and navigation-light knowledge need separating","text":"Edward first says he sat on starboard, then reverses port/starboard light colours. After a commissioner explains red-port/green-starboard, he agrees he sat on the red/port side. Later he again says right-hand side. This is not proof the actual boat’s lights were installed backwards. Use an unresolved side marker in seating diagrams. 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They call it the barello beef or furu rock with a white flashing light on top. >> Yeah. >> Did you see that rock that night? >> Yes. >> Was the light on? >> Yes. >> How dark was it? >> Didn't really thought of it, but I just see it had a light on. >> Okay. So between the the the point where you departed Rodney Bay\n\n","display_text":"rock or FA beach? >> Yeah, I familiar. No, it has a lights on it. Yeah. They call it the barello beef or furu rock with a white flashing light on top. >> Yeah. >> Did you see that rock that night? >> Yes. >> Was the light on? >> Yes. >> How dark was it? >> Didn't really thought of it, but I just see it had a light on. >> Okay. So between the the the point where you departed Rodney Bay\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-022","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":22,"timestamp":"00:17:21","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":8767,"char_end":9128,"raw_text":"[00:17:21] Gil that is to the point of the impact. How long do you believe that vessel that vessel took to travel? Minutes just a rough estimate. >> Estimate 25 30 minutes. >> 25 to 30 minutes. >> Yeah. Were you comfortable with the speed at which the vessel was traveling? >> Well, yes. Yes. >> Did you hear anyone ask to slow down? >> Yes, it was Kazola Jr.\n\n","display_text":"Gil that is to the point of the impact. How long do you believe that vessel that vessel took to travel? Minutes just a rough estimate. >> Estimate 25 30 minutes. >> 25 to 30 minutes. >> Yeah. Were you comfortable with the speed at which the vessel was traveling? >> Well, yes. Yes. >> Did you hear anyone ask to slow down? >> Yes, it was Kazola Jr.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-023","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":23,"timestamp":"00:18:10","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":9128,"char_end":9577,"raw_text":"[00:18:10] He told Tyson to slow down cuz he was going a little bit fast. >> Rolling side to side because the the se was bumpy I guess. Or the speed of the boat. >> Just the speed of the boat. Just a little. So in in my my my question to you is based on your based on your area of expertise as a captain and a crew member Did you feel that you had an obligation to intervene in what was happening or to say it was too fast? It was a bit too rough.\n\n","display_text":"He told Tyson to slow down cuz he was going a little bit fast. >> Rolling side to side because the the se was bumpy I guess. Or the speed of the boat. >> Just the speed of the boat. Just a little. So in in my my my question to you is based on your based on your area of expertise as a captain and a crew member Did you feel that you had an obligation to intervene in what was happening or to say it was too fast? It was a bit too rough.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-024","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":24,"timestamp":"00:19:12","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":9577,"char_end":10018,"raw_text":"[00:19:12] >> Yes, I could. >> Did you? >> I didn't tell him that cuz the um Kazola Jr. told him that. That's why >> no I am saying as a certified captain as a certified crew member knowing the responsibilities of a person with that qualification on a vessel. Did you at any time ask the person handling the vessel that captain to do otherwise? >> No. Okay. So it would be correct to say that that vessel took roughly 25 to 30 minutes from\n\n","display_text":">> Yes, I could. >> Did you? >> I didn't tell him that cuz the um Kazola Jr. told him that. That's why >> no I am saying as a certified captain as a certified crew member knowing the responsibilities of a person with that qualification on a vessel. Did you at any time ask the person handling the vessel that captain to do otherwise? >> No. Okay. So it would be correct to say that that vessel took roughly 25 to 30 minutes from\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-025","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":25,"timestamp":"00:19:53","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":10018,"char_end":10488,"raw_text":"[00:19:53] Gile to the point of the impact. >> Yep. Yes. >> What did you do or what did you what did you see prior to the impact? >> I didn't see anything. I just felt like a huge impact fly over the boats and I end up in the sea. >> And what happened after? I saw they were Taylor young lady and his and hus husband and they said like they want they were shouting for help. After that I saw the captain jump in the sea. He swim um towards me and after that I told him\n\n","display_text":"Gile to the point of the impact. >> Yep. Yes. >> What did you do or what did you what did you see prior to the impact? >> I didn't see anything. I just felt like a huge impact fly over the boats and I end up in the sea. >> And what happened after? I saw they were Taylor young lady and his and hus husband and they said like they want they were shouting for help. After that I saw the captain jump in the sea. He swim um towards me and after that I told him\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-026","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":26,"timestamp":"00:20:40","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":10488,"char_end":10940,"raw_text":"[00:20:40] there is um the people right there need some help and he went to help them out. So you would agree that the vessel was traveling too fast for the number of persons under sea condition that day in question. Well, depends on the sea of the level of the condition of the sea. I would say not really. The question was, would you agree that the vessel was traveling too fast? As a captain, would you agree that the vessel was traveling too fast\n\n","display_text":"there is um the people right there need some help and he went to help them out. So you would agree that the vessel was traveling too fast for the number of persons under sea condition that day in question. Well, depends on the sea of the level of the condition of the sea. I would say not really. The question was, would you agree that the vessel was traveling too fast? As a captain, would you agree that the vessel was traveling too fast\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-027","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":27,"timestamp":"00:21:29","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":10940,"char_end":11377,"raw_text":"[00:21:29] based on the number of persons on board, which would have been about nine based on the visibility that was impaired, restricted or the condition of the sea and the condition of the sea that day in question on the 18th of July? >> Yes, >> it was. >> Yes. should tell no >> be clear is yes what was I just want to be clear on what you saying yes to >> said about um >> come again say that >> you want me to repeat the question\n\n","display_text":"based on the number of persons on board, which would have been about nine based on the visibility that was impaired, restricted or the condition of the sea and the condition of the sea that day in question on the 18th of July? >> Yes, >> it was. >> Yes. should tell no >> be clear is yes what was I just want to be clear on what you saying yes to >> said about um >> come again say that >> you want me to repeat the question\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-028","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":28,"timestamp":"00:22:11","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":11377,"char_end":11844,"raw_text":"[00:22:11] >> so the question I asked you was as a captain as a qualified captain yourself you would agree do you agree that The vessel was traveling too fast based on the fact that it was dark, the condition of the sea, and the number of persons on board at the time. >> Yes, it was. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Edwards. >> Yeah. Good afternoon. >> Um, I want to revisit your certification just to confirm you are certified crew or certified boat\n\n","display_text":">> so the question I asked you was as a captain as a qualified captain yourself you would agree do you agree that The vessel was traveling too fast based on the fact that it was dark, the condition of the sea, and the number of persons on board at the time. >> Yes, it was. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Edwards. >> Yeah. Good afternoon. >> Um, I want to revisit your certification just to confirm you are certified crew or certified boat\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-029","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":29,"timestamp":"00:23:07","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":11844,"char_end":12197,"raw_text":"[00:23:07] captain. >> Well, I was certified for captain, but I wanted to go for crew for now. And do you have currently in your possession this certification issued by Slaspa? >> Yes. Working on it. >> You're working on which part of it? >> The crew license. But do you have any documentation from Slasper verifying what you are certified in? >> Yes.\n\n","display_text":"captain. >> Well, I was certified for captain, but I wanted to go for crew for now. And do you have currently in your possession this certification issued by Slaspa? >> Yes. Working on it. >> You're working on which part of it? >> The crew license. But do you have any documentation from Slasper verifying what you are certified in? >> Yes.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. The chair orders all relevant certificates/licences delivered to Soufrière police by noon Friday 16 October. His answers contain reversals even during the clarification. Publication should say the distinction was exposed and documents ordered, not claim independent verification of his legal licence status or the requirements for every class of vessel.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-030","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":30,"timestamp":"00:23:52","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":12197,"char_end":12631,"raw_text":"[00:23:52] >> And would you be able to make a copy available for us? >> No problem. Yeah. >> How soon can you make that available? Well, anytime soon. What's that? >> Anytime soon. I have a time. I could >> Do you have it on you right now? >> No. >> So soon, would you be able to make it available to us? By Friday, I have like a photo copy of >> Yes. You can check. Yeah. >> And when did you obtain this certification from Slasper?\n\n","display_text":">> And would you be able to make a copy available for us? >> No problem. Yeah. >> How soon can you make that available? Well, anytime soon. What's that? >> Anytime soon. I have a time. I could >> Do you have it on you right now? >> No. >> So soon, would you be able to make it available to us? By Friday, I have like a photo copy of >> Yes. You can check. Yeah. >> And when did you obtain this certification from Slasper?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-031","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":31,"timestamp":"00:24:39","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":12631,"char_end":12977,"raw_text":"[00:24:39] It was 2022. So in 2022, just 4 years ago, you had this certification from Slasper as for a boat captain. Correct. >> Yeah. And now you chose insert to be certified crew. >> Yes. So currently you are employed with Israel King boat tours. >> Yes. What exactly do you do on the boats for Israel King boat tours? >> I work in screw now.\n\n","display_text":"It was 2022. So in 2022, just 4 years ago, you had this certification from Slasper as for a boat captain. Correct. >> Yeah. And now you chose insert to be certified crew. >> Yes. So currently you are employed with Israel King boat tours. >> Yes. What exactly do you do on the boats for Israel King boat tours? >> I work in screw now.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. The chair orders all relevant certificates/licences delivered to Soufrière police by noon Friday 16 October. His answers contain reversals even during the clarification. Publication should say the distinction was exposed and documents ordered, not claim independent verification of his legal licence status or the requirements for every class of vessel.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-032","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":32,"timestamp":"00:25:28","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":12977,"char_end":13330,"raw_text":"[00:25:28] >> A screw. And your base where? >> Say that again. >> Where is the operation base? >> In Rodney Bay. >> In Rodney Bay or in the marina? >> In the marina. Okay, let's go back to the 18th of July 2026. When you boarded the vessel to head to Sufra, was there a safety briefing on the ball? >> No, sir. And at that time were you a passenger or\n\n","display_text":">> A screw. And your base where? >> Say that again. >> Where is the operation base? >> In Rodney Bay. >> In Rodney Bay or in the marina? >> In the marina. Okay, let's go back to the 18th of July 2026. When you boarded the vessel to head to Sufra, was there a safety briefing on the ball? >> No, sir. And at that time were you a passenger or\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-033","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":33,"timestamp":"00:26:20","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":13330,"char_end":13684,"raw_text":"[00:26:20] a crew? >> Passenger. >> So as a certified boat captain you can confirm upon boarding that there was no safety briefing. >> Yes sir. You as a certified boat captain. Why didn't you put on a life jacket? Well, I'm a very good swimmer, I could say. >> So, in your course during your work with Israel King Boat Tours, do you wear a life jacket?\n\n","display_text":"a crew? >> Passenger. >> So as a certified boat captain you can confirm upon boarding that there was no safety briefing. >> Yes sir. You as a certified boat captain. Why didn't you put on a life jacket? Well, I'm a very good swimmer, I could say. >> So, in your course during your work with Israel King Boat Tours, do you wear a life jacket?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-034","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":34,"timestamp":"00:27:03","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":13684,"char_end":14124,"raw_text":"[00:27:03] >> Yeah, sometimes. Not all times, but sometimes. >> How How often is sometimes? >> Well, when my mind tell me to hold it, I'll just hold it on. And how often does your mind tell you to put it on out of 10? >> Well, sometimes I would say six, seven times. >> Say that again. >> Seven times. >> So, seven times out of 10, your mind tells you to put on a life jacket. and and in your junior work with Israel King both boat tours,\n\n","display_text":">> Yeah, sometimes. Not all times, but sometimes. >> How How often is sometimes? >> Well, when my mind tell me to hold it, I'll just hold it on. And how often does your mind tell you to put it on out of 10? >> Well, sometimes I would say six, seven times. >> Say that again. >> Seven times. >> So, seven times out of 10, your mind tells you to put on a life jacket. and and in your junior work with Israel King both boat tours,\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-035","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":35,"timestamp":"00:27:39","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":14124,"char_end":14501,"raw_text":"[00:27:39] are there daily safety briefings before you go out? >> Yes, sir. >> And and how often does that take place? >> Every time. >> Yes, sir. >> Is there a reason why it's every time? Yes. >> And what's the reason? >> To always make sure like the clients know where everything is in case of our emergency. >> And who are normally the clients for these Israel boat tours?\n\n","display_text":"are there daily safety briefings before you go out? >> Yes, sir. >> And and how often does that take place? >> Every time. >> Yes, sir. >> Is there a reason why it's every time? Yes. >> And what's the reason? >> To always make sure like the clients know where everything is in case of our emergency. >> And who are normally the clients for these Israel boat tours?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-036","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":36,"timestamp":"00:28:19","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":14501,"char_end":14926,"raw_text":"[00:28:19] >> I don't know the clients. They get them from different places. >> What's that? >> I don't know the clients. They get them from different places. I just walking. So, are the clients normally tourists or nationals? >> Tourists. Okay. So, going back to the day you boarded the vessel heading to Sufra, you're a certified boat captain and on that day your mind told you not to wear a life jacket. Correct? >> Yes.\n\n","display_text":">> I don't know the clients. They get them from different places. >> What's that? >> I don't know the clients. They get them from different places. I just walking. So, are the clients normally tourists or nationals? >> Tourists. Okay. So, going back to the day you boarded the vessel heading to Sufra, you're a certified boat captain and on that day your mind told you not to wear a life jacket. Correct? >> Yes.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-037","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":37,"timestamp":"00:28:55","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":14926,"char_end":15325,"raw_text":"[00:28:55] >> Okay. What was the weather like? was a little dark. Couldn't see anything for me where I was sitting. >> Was it raining? >> No, it wasn't raining. What was the sea like? Just a little choppy. >> Choppy in terms of the waves or the way the vessel was moving? >> The waves. And can you recall the average speed the boat was heading? >> No. >> Oh. And who was captaining the boat at the\n\n","display_text":">> Okay. What was the weather like? was a little dark. Couldn't see anything for me where I was sitting. >> Was it raining? >> No, it wasn't raining. What was the sea like? 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Do you recall if there were any other crew members on the vessel assisting Captain Tyson? There was Janelle which is Morado. He was the first smith. >> He was the first. And where was he located on the vessel? >> He was at the bow looking out. >> Was he sitting or standing? >> He was sitting but he was looking out. >> Okay. So during the voyage\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-039","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":39,"timestamp":"00:30:26","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":15700,"char_end":16137,"raw_text":"[00:30:26] down to Sufra at any moment did did the vessel stop at all? Come again. During the voyage heading down to Sufra at any one point in time did the vessel stop at any one moment >> at Suare. So, so you traveled from Rodney Bay all the way to Sufra without stopping. Now they stop. 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I I drink a little compar and orange juice and after that is more water. I don't really drink. How much compari did you have prior to the voyage? >> I had one shot of compari and orange juice and after that is more water. >> So there was water on the vessel.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-042","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":42,"timestamp":"00:32:46","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":17054,"char_end":17532,"raw_text":"[00:32:46] >> No, I bought it uh at the party. >> Okay. So you mentioned that Mado was the first mate and he was sitting on the bow. >> Yes. I just took a ride from Rodney Bay to Sufria cuz I know Kazola Jr. We grew up together. So he gave me a ride from the party to cuz I was with one of my friends Wabi. He came from New York. So he wanted to have a good time. So I go with him. 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So would you say Mado was assisting Captain Tyson during the journey from Rodney Bay to Sufra?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-043","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":43,"timestamp":"00:33:32","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":17532,"char_end":17888,"raw_text":"[00:33:32] >> Yes, he was the one looking out. >> So he was the lookout person. >> Yes. And based on your recollection, can you confirm the visibility during that voyage? >> No. When you say no, no to can remember. >> You can't remember. >> Yeah. Is there anything about that night's voyage that you do remember? >> Well, I got a few injuries too that in\n\n","display_text":">> Yes, he was the one looking out. >> So he was the lookout person. >> Yes. And based on your recollection, can you confirm the visibility during that voyage? >> No. When you say no, no to can remember. >> You can't remember. >> Yeah. Is there anything about that night's voyage that you do remember? >> Well, I got a few injuries too that in\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-044","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":44,"timestamp":"00:34:23","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":17888,"char_end":18209,"raw_text":"[00:34:23] my forehead and my leg. >> And where on the vessel were you seated? >> I sit uh on the side. >> Which side? which is the right hand side. >> Right hand side. So to the best of your memory, can you briefly describe just before the accident what comes to mind? Nothing. 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I saw one of my friends\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-046","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":46,"timestamp":"00:36:01","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":18751,"char_end":19338,"raw_text":"[00:36:01] which is Wabby and was broken and the tip was ripped up ripped off and soon as we was heading back with the boat the boat just flip over with us and we had to just swim to one of the yachts and after that we had one of our friends he took us from the yacht and he bring us to Tikai. We stayed there hour and a half waiting for the ambulance. After that we had to call the next one of our friends from Sufre. They came to get us and they bring us to the hospital and there were ambulance waiting for us. While you were in the water, did you notice anybody with a life jacket?\n\n","display_text":"which is Wabby and was broken and the tip was ripped up ripped off and soon as we was heading back with the boat the boat just flip over with us and we had to just swim to one of the yachts and after that we had one of our friends he took us from the yacht and he bring us to Tikai. We stayed there hour and a half waiting for the ambulance. After that we had to call the next one of our friends from Sufre. They came to get us and they bring us to the hospital and there were ambulance waiting for us. While you were in the water, did you notice anybody with a life jacket?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-047","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":47,"timestamp":"00:36:46","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":19338,"char_end":19721,"raw_text":"[00:36:46] >> Only Taylor boyfriend I saw. >> And did you see any other life jackets in the water? I didn't really look out for that. I didn't see them. >> While in the water, did you make any phone calls? >> I lost my phone. >> Lost your phone? >> I didn't add anything. I lost everything. >> Thank you, Mr. Edwin. >> Yes. Mr. Edward, good afternoon. >> Yeah, good afternoon, sir.\n\n","display_text":">> Only Taylor boyfriend I saw. >> And did you see any other life jackets in the water? I didn't really look out for that. I didn't see them. >> While in the water, did you make any phone calls? >> I lost my phone. >> Lost your phone? >> I didn't add anything. I lost everything. >> Thank you, Mr. Edwin. >> Yes. Mr. Edward, good afternoon. >> Yeah, good afternoon, sir.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-048","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":48,"timestamp":"00:37:33","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":19721,"char_end":20152,"raw_text":"[00:37:33] >> You have admitted here today that you you did sign a statement which was recorded by the police. >> Yes, sir. I will ask you again. How many persons wore life jackets on the vessel that night? >> One of one of them which is boyfriend. >> Who was that? >> I don't know his name, but I know it's Taylor's boyfriend. >> Uh, are you telling us the absolute truth here today, Mr.? >> Yes, sir. It's nothing to lie about.\n\n","display_text":">> You have admitted here today that you you did sign a statement which was recorded by the police. >> Yes, sir. I will ask you again. How many persons wore life jackets on the vessel that night? >> One of one of them which is boyfriend. >> Who was that? >> I don't know his name, but I know it's Taylor's boyfriend. >> Uh, are you telling us the absolute truth here today, Mr.? >> Yes, sir. It's nothing to lie about.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E09","title":"Life-jacket wearer count differs from Edward’s police statement","text":"Edward’s oral evidence identifies only Taylor’s partner as wearing a life jacket. A commissioner reads his police statement as saying Taylor’s husband and about two others wore them. He attributes the earlier discrepancy to not remembering everything and maintains the one-wearer account. Present both versions. The quoted police statement is available here only through the hearing transcript; the underlying signed exhibit was not independently inspected.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-049","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":49,"timestamp":"00:38:11","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":20152,"char_end":20599,"raw_text":"[00:38:11] >> Let me let me take you back to your statement. On page two of your statement, I was seated on the second seat from the front of the boat and I could not see anything ahead of me. I am a very good swimmer and I forgot to put on a life jacket. Taylor's husband and about two other persons were the only ones wearing life jackets. >> Would you agree that you said so to the police? >> Yeah, it was still a boyfriend alone. >> Was that\n\n","display_text":">> Let me let me take you back to your statement. On page two of your statement, I was seated on the second seat from the front of the boat and I could not see anything ahead of me. I am a very good swimmer and I forgot to put on a life jacket. 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So when you said to the police in your statement that two other persons, Taylor's husband and about two other persons were the only ones wearing life jackets. >> Why? Why did you say so? >> Maybe I couldn't remember. It was I was fresh. I couldn't remember anything. I couldn't remember everything. >> So you couldn't remember everything. Yeah, cuz I know he's the only person that as for a live vest. >> So now you're saying that the only person who was wearing a live vest was\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E09","title":"Life-jacket wearer count differs from Edward’s police statement","text":"Edward’s oral evidence identifies only Taylor’s partner as wearing a life jacket. A commissioner reads his police statement as saying Taylor’s husband and about two others wore them. 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I just if like we go on a little, you know, like one of the boats call me to do like job few people like different places like locals and stuff. >> How often does that happen? >> Not really. >> Not really. More\n\n","display_text":"choice. I have to eat. So, I can stay there without doing anything. >> What? What kind of what kind of tours do you do at night? >> Well, I don't really do like different people that call me, you know. >> What kind of tours do you do at night? >> I don't really do tours. I just if like we go on a little, you know, like one of the boats call me to do like job few people like different places like locals and stuff. >> How often does that happen? >> Not really. >> Not really. More\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-054","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":54,"timestamp":"00:41:26","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":22447,"char_end":22836,"raw_text":"[00:41:26] afternoon I as well. >> More afternoon. >> Yeah. Again with your experience and what you would have seen of where Mouvado was on that boat, do you believe he was positioned to see ahead of him? >> Yes. and that he was in a position where he would have been able to warn the captain of any oncoming danger. >> I'm not too sure about that one. >> You're not too sure about what?\n\n","display_text":"afternoon I as well. >> More afternoon. >> Yeah. Again with your experience and what you would have seen of where Mouvado was on that boat, do you believe he was positioned to see ahead of him? >> Yes. and that he was in a position where he would have been able to warn the captain of any oncoming danger. >> I'm not too sure about that one. >> You're not too sure about what?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-055","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":55,"timestamp":"00:42:16","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":22836,"char_end":23328,"raw_text":"[00:42:16] >> About knowing if he sure to see at the front. I know he see at the front of him, but I'm not too sure if he sees anything. >> No, I'm asking you in your estimation. Yeah. >> Where he was positioned, >> was it one where he he possibly could have seen ahead of him, ahead of the vessel in your estimation? >> Yeah, should be. >> And and and you're saying if you were seated or in the same position that Mado was, do you think you would have been able to see ahead of the vessel?\n\n","display_text":">> About knowing if he sure to see at the front. I know he see at the front of him, but I'm not too sure if he sees anything. >> No, I'm asking you in your estimation. Yeah. >> Where he was positioned, >> was it one where he he possibly could have seen ahead of him, ahead of the vessel in your estimation? >> Yeah, should be. >> And and and you're saying if you were seated or in the same position that Mado was, do you think you would have been able to see ahead of the vessel?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-056","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":56,"timestamp":"00:42:52","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":23328,"char_end":23655,"raw_text":"[00:42:52] >> Yes, >> you would have. >> Yes. Have you played the role of lookout before? >> Yes. >> At night? >> Yes. >> You've played the role of look out at night? >> Yes. But not all times. Sometimes. >> No, I'm asking you. But you've played the role. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. 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I I would say couldn't see anything. >> Even if you were perfectly positioned as a lookout, if it was too dark, you would not see a vessel approaching without lights. >> If you don't have light, we won't see anything.\n\n","display_text":"on a vessel. >> Yeah. >> And you perfectly position to see ahead. What is the possibility of you seeing or having sight of a vessel approaching you? A vessel that did not have lights on. >> Well, the night we we were it was dark. I I would say couldn't see anything. >> Even if you were perfectly positioned as a lookout, if it was too dark, you would not see a vessel approaching without lights. >> If you don't have light, we won't see anything.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E10","title":"Glare explanation is Edward’s inference, not an observation by the bow passenger","text":"Edward says his own experience suggests close proximity to navigation lights can impair seeing ahead. He says Mavado told him he saw nothing approaching; Edward then supplies glare as his own explanation and confirms Mavado did not tell him that. Do not report navigation-light glare as the established reason the collision occurred or as Mavado’s explanation. 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You could see a little something like the white spot. >> You would have seen a white spot. >> Yeah. if it's all right. Yeah. >> And and if Mov was perfectly positioned that as that lookout like you say, um based on your experience as a lookout yourself, what is it on that night that may have prevented him from seeing the oncoming\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-059","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":59,"timestamp":"00:44:41","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":24609,"char_end":25067,"raw_text":"[00:44:41] vessel? Tell me some of the things that could have prevented him from seeing the oncoming vessel. Well, I would say the the lights. Yeah. >> The >> the lights sometime the lights prevent him from seeing. >> Which lights would prevent you from seeing? >> Put on the starboard lights in front of >> on your very vessel. >> Yeah. >> So So the port and starboard lights on the vessel that you are the lookout >> from can obscure your view or prevent\n\n","display_text":"vessel? Tell me some of the things that could have prevented him from seeing the oncoming vessel. Well, I would say the the lights. Yeah. >> The >> the lights sometime the lights prevent him from seeing. >> Which lights would prevent you from seeing? >> Put on the starboard lights in front of >> on your very vessel. >> Yeah. >> So So the port and starboard lights on the vessel that you are the lookout >> from can obscure your view or prevent\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E10","title":"Glare explanation is Edward’s inference, not an observation by the bow passenger","text":"Edward says his own experience suggests close proximity to navigation lights can impair seeing ahead. He says Mavado told him he saw nothing approaching; Edward then supplies glare as his own explanation and confirms Mavado did not tell him that. Do not report navigation-light glare as the established reason the collision occurred or as Mavado’s explanation. 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Um >> live the same place. >> And what what what has he told you about the oncoming vessel? >> Well, he told me he didn't say anything coming. >> He said he didn't see anything coming. by muffing was the reflection of the light prevent him from seeing. >> Did he tell you that? >> He didn't tell me nothing after that. >> No, I'm saying why would you think it\n\n","display_text":"accident? >> Yeah, we talk about that cuz we stay the same place. >> Okay. 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I just\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-068","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":68,"timestamp":"00:49:57","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":28623,"char_end":29069,"raw_text":"[00:49:57] want to do like the cost. >> So as of today's date you are not a certified boat captain? >> As yet I just have the like the swing. Your pardon? >> I have the swing which is the certificate. So are you aware that all vessels living ports must communicate to the lighthouse as to their intended destination and the number of passengers? >> Yes. Did you observe whether Tyson communicated with the lighthouse his departure from Gilelay?\n\n","display_text":"want to do like the cost. >> So as of today's date you are not a certified boat captain? >> As yet I just have the like the swing. Your pardon? >> I have the swing which is the certificate. So are you aware that all vessels living ports must communicate to the lighthouse as to their intended destination and the number of passengers? >> Yes. Did you observe whether Tyson communicated with the lighthouse his departure from Gilelay?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. The chair orders all relevant certificates/licences delivered to Soufrière police by noon Friday 16 October. 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The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. The chair orders all relevant certificates/licences delivered to Soufrière police by noon Friday 16 October. His answers contain reversals even during the clarification. Publication should say the distinction was exposed and documents ordered, not claim independent verification of his legal licence status or the requirements for every class of vessel.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-070","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":70,"timestamp":"00:51:44","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":29488,"char_end":29909,"raw_text":"[00:51:44] >> Yeah. >> But you are not a boot captain >> as yet. >> As in. >> Sorry, what was that answer? >> He's not a boot captain as yet. >> As yet? >> Yes. 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So, did you find it strange that there were no safety protocols given to the passengers prior to departure? >> I'm not too sure about it. >> No. Based on your experience and based on what it is that you're accustomed to or when you both crew on the boat that\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-071","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":71,"timestamp":"00:52:27","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":29909,"char_end":30371,"raw_text":"[00:52:27] you >> work on. Oh, yeah. Would you say that it was strange that >> on Jun >> there were no safety protocols given to the passengers prior to departure? >> I get picked up in Rodney Bay and know if they did like any you know briefing so I just ask him for a ride cuz one of my friends was on the boat already wi. So you did not bought the boat from its departure in Gile. >> From Gil to Sufare, but it came from Sufi, go up to Goile and it came back\n\n","display_text":"you >> work on. Oh, yeah. Would you say that it was strange that >> on Jun >> there were no safety protocols given to the passengers prior to departure? >> I get picked up in Rodney Bay and know if they did like any you know briefing so I just ask him for a ride cuz one of my friends was on the boat already wi. So you did not bought the boat from its departure in Gile. >> From Gil to Sufare, but it came from Sufi, go up to Goile and it came back\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-072","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":72,"timestamp":"00:53:02","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":30371,"char_end":30802,"raw_text":"[00:53:02] from >> No. So it left Pigeon Island. >> Yeah. >> So when it left Pigeon Island, now are you saying that it stopped Rodney Bay? >> Pigeon Island, that's where we were in the party, >> right? So I'm saying when y'all left the party? >> Yeah. >> Y'all boarded the boat? No safety protocols were given. I'm saying, did you find that strange that the captain gave no indications as to where the life jackets were? 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Come again. >> Prior to the night of the accident. >> Yeah. >> Have you ever traveled on Kazula Jr.? >> Not really. >> Not really. Yes or no? >> No. No. No. >> So, did you bring it to the attention of the captain or the crew that no safety\n\n","display_text":"the safety procedures prior to departure? >> No. >> And had you ever traveled on Kaza Jr. prior to the night of the 18th of July, 2026? Come again. >> Prior to the night of the accident. >> Yeah. >> Have you ever traveled on Kazula Jr.? >> Not really. >> Not really. Yes or no? >> No. No. No. >> So, did you bring it to the attention of the captain or the crew that no safety\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-074","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":74,"timestamp":"00:54:14","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":31190,"char_end":31619,"raw_text":"[00:54:14] protocols were given to the passengers? No. Did you observe whether Tyson consumed alcohol on the night of the 18th of July, 2020? >> No. >> Okay. So, you stated in your statement that the sea was a little rough that night, so Tyson sped up to ride the waves. Is that a normal course of action once their um waves are of that the captain speeds up? >> Yeah. >> And you stated that you forgot to put on a life jacket.\n\n","display_text":"protocols were given to the passengers? No. Did you observe whether Tyson consumed alcohol on the night of the 18th of July, 2020? >> No. >> Okay. So, you stated in your statement that the sea was a little rough that night, so Tyson sped up to ride the waves. Is that a normal course of action once their um waves are of that the captain speeds up? >> Yeah. >> And you stated that you forgot to put on a life jacket.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-075","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":75,"timestamp":"00:55:01","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":31619,"char_end":31952,"raw_text":"[00:55:01] >> So if a life jacket was offered to you prior to departure, would you have worn it? >> Yeah, I will take it. Did you hear anyone warn Tyson about any other oncoming vessels? >> No. >> Did you observe whether Tyson was looking ahead? >> Yes. >> Yes. 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You may have already, but >> on the right side of the >> Was your view been obstructed by any of the passengers? >> No. Since the visibility was poor, you were not concerned at all with the speed at which the boat was traveling? >> No. >> Did you know where the life jackets one bought the vessel? >> Yes.\n\n","display_text":"you tell us where exactly you were seated on the vessel? You may have already, but >> on the right side of the >> Was your view been obstructed by any of the passengers? >> No. Since the visibility was poor, you were not concerned at all with the speed at which the boat was traveling? >> No. >> Did you know where the life jackets one bought the vessel? >> Yes.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E02","title":"Cazorla side and navigation-light knowledge need separating","text":"Edward first says he sat on starboard, then reverses port/starboard light colours. After a commissioner explains red-port/green-starboard, he agrees he sat on the red/port side. Later he again says right-hand side. This is not proof the actual boat’s lights were installed backwards. Use an unresolved side marker in seating diagrams. His colour terminology is unreliable even though he consistently reports that red and green lights were on.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-077","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":77,"timestamp":"00:56:34","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":32327,"char_end":32755,"raw_text":"[00:56:34] You also stated that you felt an impact and you realized that the boat had collided with another vessel. Did you see any other vessel before the impact or did you see any lights of any other vessel? >> No. >> Did you hear any warning signals? >> No. Do you know what the emergency protocols are following a boat collision? >> Yes. >> Come again. Mhm. >> In your capacity as a crew and you said you did a swing cost.\n\n","display_text":"You also stated that you felt an impact and you realized that the boat had collided with another vessel. Did you see any other vessel before the impact or did you see any lights of any other vessel? >> No. >> Did you hear any warning signals? >> No. Do you know what the emergency protocols are following a boat collision? >> Yes. >> Come again. Mhm. >> In your capacity as a crew and you said you did a swing cost.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-078","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":78,"timestamp":"00:57:20","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":32755,"char_end":33206,"raw_text":"[00:57:20] >> Um so you're very familiar with the OC and what the protocols and procedures are. I'm saying as it relates to emergency protocols following a boat collision, are you aware of what they are? >> Yes. >> Can you just explain to us what you know to be the cause of action following a boat collision? >> The cause of action from >> Yeah. What what happens after an accident on sea? >> As I know, right? What are you supposed to do if a boat\n\n","display_text":">> Um so you're very familiar with the OC and what the protocols and procedures are. I'm saying as it relates to emergency protocols following a boat collision, are you aware of what they are? >> Yes. >> Can you just explain to us what you know to be the cause of action following a boat collision? >> The cause of action from >> Yeah. What what happens after an accident on sea? >> As I know, right? What are you supposed to do if a boat\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-079","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":79,"timestamp":"00:58:01","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":33206,"char_end":33587,"raw_text":"[00:58:01] that you're on >> is involved in an accident? >> I'm not too sure. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Mr. Edward, I'm coming back to you again based on a statement you gave the police. So, we are now looking at page two of your statement and I read, excuse. At that point, I realized that we had collided with another boat. Tyson jumped off the boat and saved Taylor and the\n\n","display_text":"that you're on >> is involved in an accident? >> I'm not too sure. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. Mr. Edward, I'm coming back to you again based on a statement you gave the police. So, we are now looking at page two of your statement and I read, excuse. At that point, I realized that we had collided with another boat. Tyson jumped off the boat and saved Taylor and the\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-080","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":80,"timestamp":"00:59:00","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":33587,"char_end":33990,"raw_text":"[00:59:00] husband. So, is it true that Tyson was the captain? >> Yes. >> Thank you. I swam back to the boat and went on board and saw Wabby had what appeared to be broken arm, a broken arm and his tooth. rip off from his gum. Mango realized that the boat was taken in water, so he drove it to shore, but it capsized. Is that correct? >> Yes, sir. >> My question to you very simple. as a boat captain.\n\n","display_text":"husband. So, is it true that Tyson was the captain? >> Yes. >> Thank you. I swam back to the boat and went on board and saw Wabby had what appeared to be broken arm, a broken arm and his tooth. rip off from his gum. Mango realized that the boat was taken in water, so he drove it to shore, but it capsized. Is that correct? >> Yes, sir. >> My question to you very simple. as a boat captain.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E14","title":"Rescue criticism exceeds what this witness can securely establish","text":"A commissioner challenges whether moving the damaged boat toward shore put property before people. Edward responds that people were still aboard, first gives inconsistent yes/no responses to claims the owner and bow passenger failed, and the chair intervenes before the exchange moves on. Do not turn the question’s claimed motive into fact. Movement, engine operation, onboard survivors and intention require reconstruction; avoid a headline saying they abandoned victims to save the boat.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"},{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B06","title":"Whether the damaged Cazorla was driven after impact remains unresolved","text":"Butcher’s police statement is read as describing reaching the steering, attempting to drive closer to shore, and the boat sinking when about two minutes from shore. Orally he says he did go to the steering but could not drive because the engine was off. Edward’s quoted statement attributes movement toward shore to Mango. Attempting to drive is not proof of powered movement. Two minutes from shore is not a measured distance. Preserve all accounts, and seek engine, damage, drift and rescue-position evidence.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-081","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":81,"timestamp":"00:59:44","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":33990,"char_end":34524,"raw_text":"[00:59:44] Do you believe that Mango should have stayed in the area as the owner of the boat knowing that he had nine passengers on board? >> Just before you answer, I understood from one of your answers that you said I have the certificate, but I'm not a boat captain. Are you a boat captain or are you not a boat captain? Yeah, I'm a boat captain, but when you have the card, you could start driving the boats. But if you don't have the card, you can operate the boat. >> So, are you a boat captain or >> Yeah, I'm a boat captain.\n\n","display_text":"Do you believe that Mango should have stayed in the area as the owner of the boat knowing that he had nine passengers on board? >> Just before you answer, I understood from one of your answers that you said I have the certificate, but I'm not a boat captain. Are you a boat captain or are you not a boat captain? Yeah, I'm a boat captain, but when you have the card, you could start driving the boats. But if you don't have the card, you can operate the boat. >> So, are you a boat captain or >> Yeah, I'm a boat captain.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E14","title":"Rescue criticism exceeds what this witness can securely establish","text":"A commissioner challenges whether moving the damaged boat toward shore put property before people. Edward responds that people were still aboard, first gives inconsistent yes/no responses to claims the owner and bow passenger failed, and the chair intervenes before the exchange moves on. Do not turn the question’s claimed motive into fact. Movement, engine operation, onboard survivors and intention require reconstruction; avoid a headline saying they abandoned victims to save the boat.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-082","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":82,"timestamp":"01:00:20","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":34524,"char_end":34986,"raw_text":"[01:00:20] >> Very well. >> One second, Mr. Chair. So, my question to you, Mr. Edward, as a boat captain, do you believe that Mango being involved in an accident as the owner of the boat, seeing the captain jump in the water trying to save persons? He chose rather to drive his boat away from the point of the accident to save it on the shore rather than saving persons. Do you believe in your fair judgment as a captain that was the right thing for him to do?\n\n","display_text":">> Very well. >> One second, Mr. Chair. So, my question to you, Mr. Edward, as a boat captain, do you believe that Mango being involved in an accident as the owner of the boat, seeing the captain jump in the water trying to save persons? He chose rather to drive his boat away from the point of the accident to save it on the shore rather than saving persons. Do you believe in your fair judgment as a captain that was the right thing for him to do?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E14","title":"Rescue criticism exceeds what this witness can securely establish","text":"A commissioner challenges whether moving the damaged boat toward shore put property before people. Edward responds that people were still aboard, first gives inconsistent yes/no responses to claims the owner and bow passenger failed, and the chair intervenes before the exchange moves on. Do not turn the question’s claimed motive into fact. Movement, engine operation, onboard survivors and intention require reconstruction; avoid a headline saying they abandoned victims to save the boat.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-083","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":83,"timestamp":"01:01:15","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":34986,"char_end":35478,"raw_text":"[01:01:15] I will say yes. >> You believe that it was the right thing for the owner of a boat to save the boat rather than to save persons in the water? >> Well, in the water, I would say in the water, it's much better saving them cuz in the boat, they in the boat already. Yes. >> If you were the captain of the vessel that evening, would you pay attention to the persons who were crying for help in the water or would you try to save your boat? >> I would um save the person in the water.\n\n","display_text":"I will say yes. >> You believe that it was the right thing for the owner of a boat to save the boat rather than to save persons in the water? >> Well, in the water, I would say in the water, it's much better saving them cuz in the boat, they in the boat already. Yes. >> If you were the captain of the vessel that evening, would you pay attention to the persons who were crying for help in the water or would you try to save your boat? >> I would um save the person in the water.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E14","title":"Rescue criticism exceeds what this witness can securely establish","text":"A commissioner challenges whether moving the damaged boat toward shore put property before people. Edward responds that people were still aboard, first gives inconsistent yes/no responses to claims the owner and bow passenger failed, and the chair intervenes before the exchange moves on. Do not turn the question’s claimed motive into fact. Movement, engine operation, onboard survivors and intention require reconstruction; avoid a headline saying they abandoned victims to save the boat.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-084","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":84,"timestamp":"01:01:56","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":35478,"char_end":36022,"raw_text":"[01:01:56] >> But you realize that the owner of Mango did the opposite. There were persons in the water and in your own statement you said he drove the boat to the shore. >> Yeah, there was still there still a couple of people on the boat still. You also indicated that you and a few other persons swam to a nearby boat. >> Yeah. As a captain of a boat, a certified captain in which you indicated, don't you believe it would have made reasonable sense, I use the word reasonable sense to try to locate life jackets to give persons because you\n\n","display_text":">> But you realize that the owner of Mango did the opposite. There were persons in the water and in your own statement you said he drove the boat to the shore. >> Yeah, there was still there still a couple of people on the boat still. You also indicated that you and a few other persons swam to a nearby boat. >> Yeah. As a captain of a boat, a certified captain in which you indicated, don't you believe it would have made reasonable sense, I use the word reasonable sense to try to locate life jackets to give persons because you\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E14","title":"Rescue criticism exceeds what this witness can securely establish","text":"A commissioner challenges whether moving the damaged boat toward shore put property before people. Edward responds that people were still aboard, first gives inconsistent yes/no responses to claims the owner and bow passenger failed, and the chair intervenes before the exchange moves on. Do not turn the question’s claimed motive into fact. Movement, engine operation, onboard survivors and intention require reconstruction; avoid a headline saying they abandoned victims to save the boat.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-085","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":85,"timestamp":"01:02:42","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":36022,"char_end":36353,"raw_text":"[01:02:42] are good swimmer rather than to do otherwise. >> Yes. >> Did you do that? >> No, I didn't. >> And there were persons in the water calling for help. Cuz I were in the water too. >> Say again. >> I was in the water too. >> So you save yourself >> fly over the boat. >> Yeah. >> So >> I swim. So as soon as I fly over the\n\n","display_text":"are good swimmer rather than to do otherwise. >> Yes. >> Did you do that? >> No, I didn't. >> And there were persons in the water calling for help. Cuz I were in the water too. >> Say again. >> I was in the water too. >> So you save yourself >> fly over the boat. >> Yeah. >> So >> I swim. So as soon as I fly over the\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-086","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":86,"timestamp":"01:03:10","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":36353,"char_end":36907,"raw_text":"[01:03:10] boat, I swim back to the boat to help the one of my friends and the people that was on the boat cuz I saw the captain jump in the sea to help one of the people that couldn't swim. >> Yes, that is established. You clearly said that he saved Tyson, jump over the boat and saved Taylor and her husband. So that is the responsibility of a captain in the event of an incident. He tried to save as many persons as possible. So it is established that Tyson did just that. >> Yeah. Yeah, but it is also in your statement that the owner of the vessel\n\n","display_text":"boat, I swim back to the boat to help the one of my friends and the people that was on the boat cuz I saw the captain jump in the sea to help one of the people that couldn't swim. >> Yes, that is established. You clearly said that he saved Tyson, jump over the boat and saved Taylor and her husband. So that is the responsibility of a captain in the event of an incident. He tried to save as many persons as possible. So it is established that Tyson did just that. >> Yeah. Yeah, but it is also in your statement that the owner of the vessel\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-087","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":87,"timestamp":"01:03:46","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":36907,"char_end":37386,"raw_text":"[01:03:46] did choose to drive his boat to save the boat rather than some of the persons in the water calling for help. Bear in mind also, sir, that there were supposed to be life jackets. As a boat captain, would you not think it would be better to try to get as many life jackets and just send all over to the persons in the water rather than to save your boat? Yes. So you would agree with me that the owner of Kazola and his lookout um just refresh my name with the lookout\n\n","display_text":"did choose to drive his boat to save the boat rather than some of the persons in the water calling for help. Bear in mind also, sir, that there were supposed to be life jackets. As a boat captain, would you not think it would be better to try to get as many life jackets and just send all over to the persons in the water rather than to save your boat? Yes. So you would agree with me that the owner of Kazola and his lookout um just refresh my name with the lookout\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E14","title":"Rescue criticism exceeds what this witness can securely establish","text":"A commissioner challenges whether moving the damaged boat toward shore put property before people. Edward responds that people were still aboard, first gives inconsistent yes/no responses to claims the owner and bow passenger failed, and the chair intervenes before the exchange moves on. Do not turn the question’s claimed motive into fact. Movement, engine operation, onboard survivors and intention require reconstruction; avoid a headline saying they abandoned victims to save the boat.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-088","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":88,"timestamp":"01:04:29","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":37386,"char_end":37829,"raw_text":"[01:04:29] commissioner Mavado. So you would agree with me based on the statement that you gave the police that the owner of Kazola Jr. and his first mate Mavado failed to try to save as many persons as possible in the water which would have been the responsibility of a captain and a crew in the event of an accident. >> Yes, >> they fail. >> Yes. For what? >> No, they don't fail. >> Very very Yes. What? Tell me what you're saying yes to.\n\n","display_text":"commissioner Mavado. So you would agree with me based on the statement that you gave the police that the owner of Kazola Jr. and his first mate Mavado failed to try to save as many persons as possible in the water which would have been the responsibility of a captain and a crew in the event of an accident. >> Yes, >> they fail. >> Yes. For what? >> No, they don't fail. >> Very very Yes. What? Tell me what you're saying yes to.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E14","title":"Rescue criticism exceeds what this witness can securely establish","text":"A commissioner challenges whether moving the damaged boat toward shore put property before people. Edward responds that people were still aboard, first gives inconsistent yes/no responses to claims the owner and bow passenger failed, and the chair intervenes before the exchange moves on. Do not turn the question’s claimed motive into fact. Movement, engine operation, onboard survivors and intention require reconstruction; avoid a headline saying they abandoned victims to save the boat.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-089","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":89,"timestamp":"01:05:06","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":37829,"char_end":38293,"raw_text":"[01:05:06] >> Come again. Repeat. >> I'm going to take my time slowly. You indicated previously that if you you save somebody based on what you're saying. >> Yeah. >> You also in your statement to the police said that Tyson which was the boat captain also jump in the water and you are very specific to say that he saved Taylor and her husband. >> Yes. >> As a boat captain that was his responsibility to try to save persons. He did. But you also indicate in the\n\n","display_text":">> Come again. Repeat. >> I'm going to take my time slowly. You indicated previously that if you you save somebody based on what you're saying. >> Yeah. >> You also in your statement to the police said that Tyson which was the boat captain also jump in the water and you are very specific to say that he saved Taylor and her husband. >> Yes. >> As a boat captain that was his responsibility to try to save persons. He did. But you also indicate in the\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E14","title":"Rescue criticism exceeds what this witness can securely establish","text":"A commissioner challenges whether moving the damaged boat toward shore put property before people. Edward responds that people were still aboard, first gives inconsistent yes/no responses to claims the owner and bow passenger failed, and the chair intervenes before the exchange moves on. Do not turn the question’s claimed motive into fact. 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So you would you agree with me that the owner of Kazola and his lookout failed to try to save as many persons as possible, but rather chose to save the boat. It's in your statement. >> No, it's that's when he >> just a minute. Mhm. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So, if you were the captain of the vessel at the time of\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E14","title":"Rescue criticism exceeds what this witness can securely establish","text":"A commissioner challenges whether moving the damaged boat toward shore put property before people. Edward responds that people were still aboard, first gives inconsistent yes/no responses to claims the owner and bow passenger failed, and the chair intervenes before the exchange moves on. Do not turn the question’s claimed motive into fact. 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Mr. Edward, you captain boots before. Well, not really captains, but different time I hold it for the captain when he doing something. Let's hold it for the captain when he doing something. >> Yeah. >> Um, has there ever been a time\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-092","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":92,"timestamp":"01:08:29","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":39163,"char_end":39608,"raw_text":"[01:08:29] you would have captain a boat without a lookout? >> Always. Uh, always look out. I like whenever I um someone captains a boat, they always have to look out. >> Let's be honest. Um sometimes boats are captain without lookouts. Let's be honest. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> it happens. >> Yeah, it happens. I'm going to be honest to you, it happens. Yeah. And when that happens, um, from a lot of the evidence we've heard before this commission,\n\n","display_text":"you would have captain a boat without a lookout? >> Always. Uh, always look out. I like whenever I um someone captains a boat, they always have to look out. >> Let's be honest. Um sometimes boats are captain without lookouts. Let's be honest. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> it happens. >> Yeah, it happens. I'm going to be honest to you, it happens. Yeah. And when that happens, um, from a lot of the evidence we've heard before this commission,\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-093","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":93,"timestamp":"01:09:00","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":39608,"char_end":40096,"raw_text":"[01:09:00] um, it appears very rarely because of the design of the boat and maybe because of the speed of the boat, the captain is very rarely able to see ahead of him. Am I correct? >> Yeah. >> Right. And when that captain does not have a lookout, how does he guide the boat? How does he keep to a cost without a lookout if he as that captain cannot see ahead? Walk us through that. How does it work? >> Well, you just have to slow down on your speed to see everything in front of you.\n\n","display_text":"um, it appears very rarely because of the design of the boat and maybe because of the speed of the boat, the captain is very rarely able to see ahead of him. Am I correct? >> Yeah. >> Right. And when that captain does not have a lookout, how does he guide the boat? How does he keep to a cost without a lookout if he as that captain cannot see ahead? Walk us through that. How does it work? >> Well, you just have to slow down on your speed to see everything in front of you.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-094","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":94,"timestamp":"01:09:37","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":40096,"char_end":40547,"raw_text":"[01:09:37] >> You have to slow down. >> Slow down your pace. If you have a high pace and you can't see anything, you just have to slow. But but it appears it it appears from all what we've heard that captains do take the chance to drive these boats at high speed even without a lookout. Some captains do that, don't they? >> Well, I I won't lie. I will say some of them do. But >> Right. And when they do that, captaining the boat at high speed with\n\n","display_text":">> You have to slow down. >> Slow down your pace. If you have a high pace and you can't see anything, you just have to slow. But but it appears it it appears from all what we've heard that captains do take the chance to drive these boats at high speed even without a lookout. Some captains do that, don't they? >> Well, I I won't lie. I will say some of them do. But >> Right. And when they do that, captaining the boat at high speed with\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-095","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":95,"timestamp":"01:10:20","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":40547,"char_end":41004,"raw_text":"[01:10:20] no lookout, it it prevents them from seeing ahead. >> Yeah. >> And when that happens, how do they control that boat? How do they keep it on cost? What else would they use to keep it on cost apart from slowing down? Because they continue to to to to drive at high speed. Their view is blocked by the bow of the boat. How do they keep it on cost? >> Well, by looking at >> looking out where? >> The sides, which is the starboard or the port side.\n\n","display_text":"no lookout, it it prevents them from seeing ahead. >> Yeah. >> And when that happens, how do they control that boat? How do they keep it on cost? What else would they use to keep it on cost apart from slowing down? Because they continue to to to to drive at high speed. Their view is blocked by the bow of the boat. How do they keep it on cost? >> Well, by looking at >> looking out where? >> The sides, which is the starboard or the port side.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-096","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":96,"timestamp":"01:10:53","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":41004,"char_end":41406,"raw_text":"[01:10:53] >> And when you look out the side, do you get a clear view of the front of the boat? >> Well, depends on how high you is standing behind the boat. You could see clear in front of you. >> You'll see. >> You could see much better in front of you depend on how high you is, which is >> But you would not see You would not have a complete view of your front. >> Yeah. >> In that case. >> Yeah.\n\n","display_text":">> And when you look out the side, do you get a clear view of the front of the boat? >> Well, depends on how high you is standing behind the boat. You could see clear in front of you. >> You'll see. >> You could see much better in front of you depend on how high you is, which is >> But you would not see You would not have a complete view of your front. >> Yeah. >> In that case. >> Yeah.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-097","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":97,"timestamp":"01:11:18","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":41406,"char_end":41804,"raw_text":"[01:11:18] >> So you would be pretty much taking a chance to to to put it in our local language. You would be taking a chance to do that. >> No, I doesn't take chance. >> No, I'm saying if a captain was to do that. >> Yeah. >> He would be taking a chance. >> Well, I'm not sure about it. >> You're not sure? >> Yeah. And do you believe if a captain did that, drove the boat at such speed that the\n\n","display_text":">> So you would be pretty much taking a chance to to to put it in our local language. You would be taking a chance to do that. >> No, I doesn't take chance. >> No, I'm saying if a captain was to do that. >> Yeah. >> He would be taking a chance. >> Well, I'm not sure about it. >> You're not sure? >> Yeah. And do you believe if a captain did that, drove the boat at such speed that the\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-098","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":98,"timestamp":"01:11:44","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":41804,"char_end":42243,"raw_text":"[01:11:44] bow of the boat went up into the air and he's unable to see ahead of him, but yet continued to move that vessel forward. that he would have been acting negligent. >> Well, I'm not I'm not too sure about >> you're not too sure. >> Yeah. >> You you do you think it would be a proper for a boat captain not having proper sight of his front to continue to drive that boat at high speed? Would it be proper if that happened? >> No,\n\n","display_text":"bow of the boat went up into the air and he's unable to see ahead of him, but yet continued to move that vessel forward. that he would have been acting negligent. >> Well, I'm not I'm not too sure about >> you're not too sure. >> Yeah. >> You you do you think it would be a proper for a boat captain not having proper sight of his front to continue to drive that boat at high speed? Would it be proper if that happened? >> No,\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-099","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":99,"timestamp":"01:12:29","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":42243,"char_end":42681,"raw_text":"[01:12:29] >> it would not be. >> Yeah, cuz always have to have a look. >> Right. But in But in your experience, it happens, doesn't it? >> Well, I know. I'm not too sure about it. But I different people if different people does it. >> But are you aware that it happens? >> Well, I would say yeah, >> it happened. >> But I'm not too sure about it. I'll see. Yeah. >> But you've never done it? >> No. But you would agree that it happens.\n\n","display_text":">> it would not be. >> Yeah, cuz always have to have a look. >> Right. But in But in your experience, it happens, doesn't it? >> Well, I know. I'm not too sure about it. But I different people if different people does it. >> But are you aware that it happens? >> Well, I would say yeah, >> it happened. >> But I'm not too sure about it. I'll see. Yeah. >> But you've never done it? >> No. But you would agree that it happens.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-100","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":100,"timestamp":"01:12:57","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":42681,"char_end":43102,"raw_text":"[01:12:57] >> Yeah. Yeah. I will see that. >> Thank you, mister. >> Yes, Mr. Edward. Um, I have one question for you. If this commission were to give you a recess of let's say 10 minutes, would you be able to go to Slasper and get a copy with the permission of the chairman to show that you are actually a certified boat captain? >> Well, I was saying I have the certificate home. I could send send in the photos again.\n\n","display_text":">> Yeah. Yeah. I will see that. >> Thank you, mister. >> Yes, Mr. Edward. Um, I have one question for you. If this commission were to give you a recess of let's say 10 minutes, would you be able to go to Slasper and get a copy with the permission of the chairman to show that you are actually a certified boat captain? >> Well, I was saying I have the certificate home. I could send send in the photos again.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-101","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":101,"timestamp":"01:13:42","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":43102,"char_end":43454,"raw_text":"[01:13:42] >> Okay. >> I have uh one question which I forgot to ask you. Mr. Edward, prior to the 18th of July 2026, have you ever cooed on any vessel captain by Tyson Hippolit? >> Come again. Prior to the 18th of July, 2026, the day of the incident, have you ever worked on a vessel captain by Tyson Hippolit? >> No. >> You You've never? >> No, sir.\n\n","display_text":">> Okay. >> I have uh one question which I forgot to ask you. Mr. Edward, prior to the 18th of July 2026, have you ever cooed on any vessel captain by Tyson Hippolit? >> Come again. Prior to the 18th of July, 2026, the day of the incident, have you ever worked on a vessel captain by Tyson Hippolit? >> No. >> You You've never? >> No, sir.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-102","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":102,"timestamp":"01:14:28","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":43454,"char_end":43903,"raw_text":"[01:14:28] So you only work on Israel King boat tours based in the Rodney Bay Marina and you don't work on any vessels based in Sufra. Well, I don't know. I work on a few of the vessels like if different captain you know like my friends they tell me they have a little trip. If I'm want to do it I'll go do it. But >> so you do work on vessels outside of Israel King boat tours. >> Yes. >> And you work in the capacity as a certified boat captain.\n\n","display_text":"So you only work on Israel King boat tours based in the Rodney Bay Marina and you don't work on any vessels based in Sufra. Well, I don't know. I work on a few of the vessels like if different captain you know like my friends they tell me they have a little trip. If I'm want to do it I'll go do it. But >> so you do work on vessels outside of Israel King boat tours. >> Yes. >> And you work in the capacity as a certified boat captain.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-103","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":103,"timestamp":"01:15:12","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":43903,"char_end":44286,"raw_text":"[01:15:12] Yes. I have I have the I have the swing but right now I have to go for the card. So when you have the card you could start driving the boat. >> Okay. So I'm just asking you to confirm that you do work on other boats outside of Israel King Boat tours based in Rodney Bay Marina. >> Yes or no? >> Yes. >> Thank you. Okay, let's let's get certain things clear. >> Yes, sir.\n\n","display_text":"Yes. I have I have the I have the swing but right now I have to go for the card. So when you have the card you could start driving the boat. >> Okay. So I'm just asking you to confirm that you do work on other boats outside of Israel King Boat tours based in Rodney Bay Marina. >> Yes or no? >> Yes. >> Thank you. Okay, let's let's get certain things clear. >> Yes, sir.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-104","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":104,"timestamp":"01:15:55","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":44286,"char_end":44704,"raw_text":"[01:15:55] >> Your certification to operate a boat. >> Yeah. >> Is certification for the captaining of a boat? >> Yeah, captain. Do you require different certification for you to operate as a a first officer um in a position other than as captain? Do you require a different certification for that purpose? >> Yeah. >> And do you have such certification? >> I have the certificate for captain Sony. >> Okay. >> Yeah.\n\n","display_text":">> Your certification to operate a boat. >> Yeah. >> Is certification for the captaining of a boat? >> Yeah, captain. Do you require different certification for you to operate as a a first officer um in a position other than as captain? Do you require a different certification for that purpose? >> Yeah. >> And do you have such certification? >> I have the certificate for captain Sony. >> Okay. >> Yeah.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. The chair orders all relevant certificates/licences delivered to Soufrière police by noon Friday 16 October. His answers contain reversals even during the clarification. Publication should say the distinction was exposed and documents ordered, not claim independent verification of his legal licence status or the requirements for every class of vessel.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-105","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":105,"timestamp":"01:16:33","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":44704,"char_end":45169,"raw_text":"[01:16:33] The whatever certificate or certificates you have, do you have them at your home? Do you have copies of them? >> Yeah, I have a copy. >> Where do you work? In Sufare or in in Castries? >> In Rodney Bay? >> In Rodney Bay. And how soon you can get a copy of that to us? >> I could get it by Friday. >> By Friday. >> Yeah. We'll send it to you. >> And you where will you be on Friday? Will you be in grocery? Would you be in sou? Because wherever you are,\n\n","display_text":"The whatever certificate or certificates you have, do you have them at your home? Do you have copies of them? >> Yeah, I have a copy. >> Where do you work? In Sufare or in in Castries? >> In Rodney Bay? >> In Rodney Bay. And how soon you can get a copy of that to us? >> I could get it by Friday. >> By Friday. >> Yeah. We'll send it to you. >> And you where will you be on Friday? Will you be in grocery? Would you be in sou? Because wherever you are,\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-106","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":106,"timestamp":"01:17:04","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":45169,"char_end":45663,"raw_text":"[01:17:04] >> we want to get the certificate on on Friday. If it's if you're in Sufre, then you'll have to take it to the Suare police station or bring it um up north at a place that you will be directed. >> No problem. >> You are going to be where are you would you be better placed to deliver it to the police station in Sufra? >> Yeah. >> And by what time do you expect to do so? >> Like by noon? No, by 12. on >> on Friday, you would deliver to the Sufre police station a copy of whatever\n\n","display_text":">> we want to get the certificate on on Friday. If it's if you're in Sufre, then you'll have to take it to the Suare police station or bring it um up north at a place that you will be directed. >> No problem. >> You are going to be where are you would you be better placed to deliver it to the police station in Sufra? >> Yeah. >> And by what time do you expect to do so? >> Like by noon? No, by 12. on >> on Friday, you would deliver to the Sufre police station a copy of whatever\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. The chair orders all relevant certificates/licences delivered to Soufrière police by noon Friday 16 October. His answers contain reversals even during the clarification. 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And you are you saying you are certified or not\n\n","display_text":"certification you have as an a boat operator. >> Yeah. when you work on on the the boat with the name. >> Yes. >> When you work with Israel King's boat tour though, >> in what capacity do you work on that boat? On these boats? >> I just start working. >> You just start working there? >> Yeah. As a crew? >> As a crew? Yeah. Okay. And you are you saying you are certified or not\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-108","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":108,"timestamp":"01:18:19","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":46054,"char_end":46489,"raw_text":"[01:18:19] certified to do that? >> Well, I'm I'm working I had my as soon as I tell you I had my like the captain license. So, I decided uh I don't want to do captain as yet. I want to go for the crew license. >> Mhm. But you do not have that license >> for the crew. >> Yes. You do not have that license. >> I'm working on it now. >> But you do not have it at the moment. >> No, I don't have it. Have you ever had one? >> Well, no.\n\n","display_text":"certified to do that? >> Well, I'm I'm working I had my as soon as I tell you I had my like the captain license. So, I decided uh I don't want to do captain as yet. I want to go for the crew license. >> Mhm. But you do not have that license >> for the crew. >> Yes. You do not have that license. >> I'm working on it now. >> But you do not have it at the moment. >> No, I don't have it. Have you ever had one? >> Well, no.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. The chair orders all relevant certificates/licences delivered to Soufrière police by noon Friday 16 October. His answers contain reversals even during the clarification. Publication should say the distinction was exposed and documents ordered, not claim independent verification of his legal licence status or the requirements for every class of vessel.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-109","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":109,"timestamp":"01:18:48","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":46489,"char_end":47035,"raw_text":"[01:18:48] >> And but you have for a while now been operating as crew without the license. >> Well, >> we're not looking to prosecute you, you We're not looking to send you to jail or anything like that. We're looking to get the facts as to what happened on that day, how boats operate in Sare so that that we can we it can be properly organized for you and others who who make their living >> operating boats. So don't hesitate to answer questions. 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You need to speak to us truthfully rather than to avoid saying certain things because as I say\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-110","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":110,"timestamp":"01:19:25","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":47035,"char_end":47471,"raw_text":"[01:19:25] at the end of this, the aim is not to send you to prison. The aim is to find out what happened, why it happened and how we can avoid it happening in future. >> All right, sir. >> I want to establish >> Yeah. >> Is it correct to say that you have been been operating as crew on boats for years now? >> Yes, sir. >> And that you doing so without having a license to do so? >> Yes, sir. And has that ever created a problem for\n\n","display_text":"at the end of this, the aim is not to send you to prison. The aim is to find out what happened, why it happened and how we can avoid it happening in future. >> All right, sir. >> I want to establish >> Yeah. >> Is it correct to say that you have been been operating as crew on boats for years now? >> Yes, sir. >> And that you doing so without having a license to do so? >> Yes, sir. And has that ever created a problem for\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-111","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":111,"timestamp":"01:19:57","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":47471,"char_end":48014,"raw_text":"[01:19:57] you with the port authority, with the police, with the marine unit? Have you ever had a problem with any of these agencies as a result of your operating a boat as crew without having a license? >> No. >> Nobody from marine unit, from the police, from Slasper ever checked on you, pull you up on the fact that look, you you operating a boat, but you don't have a license to do so. Nobody has ever done that. >> Well, I would say the guys, you know, he told like different of the guys that so everything is coming out. So, everybody\n\n","display_text":"you with the port authority, with the police, with the marine unit? Have you ever had a problem with any of these agencies as a result of your operating a boat as crew without having a license? >> No. >> Nobody from marine unit, from the police, from Slasper ever checked on you, pull you up on the fact that look, you you operating a boat, but you don't have a license to do so. Nobody has ever done that. >> Well, I would say the guys, you know, he told like different of the guys that so everything is coming out. So, everybody\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-112","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":112,"timestamp":"01:20:33","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":48014,"char_end":48539,"raw_text":"[01:20:33] have to prepare. That's why everyone is preparing. >> But that has followed up. >> No one has ever told you so or told you that what you're doing is incorrect and you should no longer be doing it. >> Well, I get few people from Slasper. They tell me that already. >> Ah, well, that's important. That's what I'm trying to find out now. So you're saying Slasper personnel from Slasper have told you that you ought not to be operating a boat without a crew license? >> Yeah. >> And when when was that? Who was that?\n\n","display_text":"have to prepare. That's why everyone is preparing. >> But that has followed up. >> No one has ever told you so or told you that what you're doing is incorrect and you should no longer be doing it. >> Well, I get few people from Slasper. They tell me that already. >> Ah, well, that's important. That's what I'm trying to find out now. So you're saying Slasper personnel from Slasper have told you that you ought not to be operating a boat without a crew license? >> Yeah. >> And when when was that? Who was that?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-113","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":113,"timestamp":"01:21:02","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":48539,"char_end":49054,"raw_text":"[01:21:02] Are you in a position to tell us that? That was last week, last month, 5 years ago. Are you in a position to tell us when you were last spoken to by personnel from Slasper about your operation of a boat without a license? Well, I would say it's been like close to a year now. >> Close to a year now. >> Yeah. So that's why I want to go. >> Okay. And that the Slasper official is it that you went to Slasper, they came to you, they sent somebody to you. How did that interaction with Slasper take place?\n\n","display_text":"Are you in a position to tell us that? That was last week, last month, 5 years ago. Are you in a position to tell us when you were last spoken to by personnel from Slasper about your operation of a boat without a license? Well, I would say it's been like close to a year now. >> Close to a year now. >> Yeah. So that's why I want to go. >> Okay. And that the Slasper official is it that you went to Slasper, they came to you, they sent somebody to you. How did that interaction with Slasper take place?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-114","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":114,"timestamp":"01:21:35","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":49054,"char_end":49621,"raw_text":"[01:21:35] >> Well, they sent someone to me. >> They sent somebody to you. and your response to Slasper official about a year ago um coming to you about the your your your the legitimacy of your operation of a boat. Did you do anything? Did you as a result of that did you stop operating the boat? Did you go to Slasper to try to get your situation regularized? What exactly did you do as a result of Slasper officials talking to you? Well, I was stopped operating the boat and I start working on my crew license for now. >> So, you stopped operating the boat after\n\n","display_text":">> Well, they sent someone to me. >> They sent somebody to you. and your response to Slasper official about a year ago um coming to you about the your your your the legitimacy of your operation of a boat. Did you do anything? Did you as a result of that did you stop operating the boat? Did you go to Slasper to try to get your situation regularized? What exactly did you do as a result of Slasper officials talking to you? Well, I was stopped operating the boat and I start working on my crew license for now. >> So, you stopped operating the boat after\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-115","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":115,"timestamp":"01:22:13","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":49621,"char_end":49984,"raw_text":"[01:22:13] that? >> Yeah. And working on the crew license. >> And how long since you stopped operating on the boat? >> Uh, it's been just a lot 6 months. So, >> about 6 months. >> Yeah. >> So, right now you are not working on the boat. >> No, >> you not working on the boat now, nor yesterday, nor last week, nor last month. Um I have to have the license first.\n\n","display_text":"that? >> Yeah. And working on the crew license. >> And how long since you stopped operating on the boat? >> Uh, it's been just a lot 6 months. So, >> about 6 months. >> Yeah. >> So, right now you are not working on the boat. >> No, >> you not working on the boat now, nor yesterday, nor last week, nor last month. Um I have to have the license first.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-116","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":116,"timestamp":"01:22:40","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":49984,"char_end":50399,"raw_text":"[01:22:40] >> Do you work otherwise apart from on boards? >> Well, I work with few boats from Sufi with a single engine. >> Sorry. >> Like uh there has a boat from Sophine like sometimes he has some friends to take out sometimes I go with him. >> You not you do not require license to do so. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But you do so without the license. >> Yes. >> Tell me, you mentioned when you operate the the the boat,\n\n","display_text":">> Do you work otherwise apart from on boards? >> Well, I work with few boats from Sufi with a single engine. >> Sorry. >> Like uh there has a boat from Sophine like sometimes he has some friends to take out sometimes I go with him. >> You not you do not require license to do so. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But you do so without the license. >> Yes. >> Tell me, you mentioned when you operate the the the boat,\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-117","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":117,"timestamp":"01:23:23","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":50399,"char_end":50859,"raw_text":"[01:23:23] you all do you do trips with with tourists. You do trips transporting tourists from from this point to that point. Yeah. But it's it's been a little time. I haven't done it. >> But that's what you used to do with Israel. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. That's what you did there. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And you you worked a lot with tourists? >> Yeah. Tourists. And when you work with the tourists, is it was it the practice that before you'll start on the trip\n\n","display_text":"you all do you do trips with with tourists. You do trips transporting tourists from from this point to that point. Yeah. But it's it's been a little time. I haven't done it. >> But that's what you used to do with Israel. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yes. That's what you did there. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And you you worked a lot with tourists? >> Yeah. Tourists. And when you work with the tourists, is it was it the practice that before you'll start on the trip\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-118","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":118,"timestamp":"01:23:54","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":50859,"char_end":51333,"raw_text":"[01:23:54] that you would inform them about uh having live vest that they're live vest on and that they should be wearing live vests and other safety protocols? Do you do that when you're operating the boat with tourists? >> Yeah. >> Do you do it when you >> normally the captain does it? >> Okay. Is it done when you're working with locals? Yeah, it does it also the local. >> So you are saying that when the boat is being operated that is Israel King boat tours whenever\n\n","display_text":"that you would inform them about uh having live vest that they're live vest on and that they should be wearing live vests and other safety protocols? Do you do that when you're operating the boat with tourists? >> Yeah. >> Do you do it when you >> normally the captain does it? >> Okay. Is it done when you're working with locals? Yeah, it does it also the local. >> So you are saying that when the boat is being operated that is Israel King boat tours whenever\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-119","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":119,"timestamp":"01:24:28","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":51333,"char_end":51798,"raw_text":"[01:24:28] that boat is being operated whether with tourists or with locals it is the practice to go through all the safety briefings with the passengers. >> Yes. No. You're not sure? >> Yeah. Yes. Yes. And that is done all the time. >> Yes sir. >> But you would travel on a boat where there are nine persons on board and nobody no security or safety briefing is given. And you don't have a problem with that? >> No sir. >> You never pointed out to to the captain\n\n","display_text":"that boat is being operated whether with tourists or with locals it is the practice to go through all the safety briefings with the passengers. >> Yes. No. You're not sure? >> Yeah. Yes. Yes. And that is done all the time. >> Yes sir. >> But you would travel on a boat where there are nine persons on board and nobody no security or safety briefing is given. And you don't have a problem with that? >> No sir. >> You never pointed out to to the captain\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-120","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":120,"timestamp":"01:25:04","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":51798,"char_end":52328,"raw_text":"[01:25:04] or to anybody, look, we we have nine people on board. No safety briefing has been given. That didn't concern you at all. So cuz I'm the is just the last person to board. It was me cuz it's very close with me. That's why. >> I'm trying to understand that. Does that mean you were not sure whether the safety briefing had already been given? >> Yes. >> So you believe it might have been given? >> I'm not too sure if it was given but I didn't know. >> You're not too sure. Sorry. >> I didn't sure if they were given the\n\n","display_text":"or to anybody, look, we we have nine people on board. No safety briefing has been given. That didn't concern you at all. So cuz I'm the is just the last person to board. It was me cuz it's very close with me. That's why. >> I'm trying to understand that. Does that mean you were not sure whether the safety briefing had already been given? >> Yes. >> So you believe it might have been given? >> I'm not too sure if it was given but I didn't know. >> You're not too sure. Sorry. >> I didn't sure if they were given the\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-121","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":121,"timestamp":"01:25:37","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":52328,"char_end":52845,"raw_text":"[01:25:37] briefing. Yeah. Between you and me, you think they were given any briefing? >> Well, I'm not too sure. I'm not too sure. I wouldn't say they did any briefing. >> If there was a a sure and not sure? >> No, they didn't. >> They didn't. Yeah. I I I believe you that they didn't. And that's why I tell you, >> tell us what happened. Nobody is going to send a policeman to you when you walk out the door. It is for us to know and understand what happened. And I say to avoid it happening tomorrow. So when you\n\n","display_text":"briefing. Yeah. Between you and me, you think they were given any briefing? >> Well, I'm not too sure. I'm not too sure. I wouldn't say they did any briefing. >> If there was a a sure and not sure? >> No, they didn't. >> They didn't. Yeah. I I I believe you that they didn't. And that's why I tell you, >> tell us what happened. Nobody is going to send a policeman to you when you walk out the door. It is for us to know and understand what happened. And I say to avoid it happening tomorrow. So when you\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-122","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":122,"timestamp":"01:26:08","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":52845,"char_end":53338,"raw_text":"[01:26:08] ask a question, answer truthfully. It's going to help you and all the other boat operators and everybody else in the country to do things better and safer if we know exactly what is going on. >> Yes, sir. >> So I will get back to the question. If you operate the boat with tourists on board, you will always go through the safety briefings. >> Yes, Chairman. >> And other boat operators do the same thing when they carry tourists as far as you're aware. >> Yes, some of them does.\n\n","display_text":"ask a question, answer truthfully. It's going to help you and all the other boat operators and everybody else in the country to do things better and safer if we know exactly what is going on. >> Yes, sir. >> So I will get back to the question. If you operate the boat with tourists on board, you will always go through the safety briefings. >> Yes, Chairman. >> And other boat operators do the same thing when they carry tourists as far as you're aware. >> Yes, some of them does.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-123","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":123,"timestamp":"01:26:51","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":53338,"char_end":53876,"raw_text":"[01:26:51] >> Some of them. >> I'm not too sure about all of them. in terms of when they carry locals. >> Um, I too sure about that one. >> You're not too sure about that one >> cuz I know even though it's local, you always have to brief. >> Okay. And you when you work on the boat, you're saying you always do so with locals or with tourists? >> Tourists. Yes. Chairman. >> And you believe that that is generally done by other operators and speak to me. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chairman. Yes. You you believe that that is normally done by\n\n","display_text":">> Some of them. >> I'm not too sure about all of them. in terms of when they carry locals. >> Um, I too sure about that one. >> You're not too sure about that one >> cuz I know even though it's local, you always have to brief. >> Okay. And you when you work on the boat, you're saying you always do so with locals or with tourists? >> Tourists. Yes. Chairman. >> And you believe that that is generally done by other operators and speak to me. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chairman. Yes. You you believe that that is normally done by\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-124","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":124,"timestamp":"01:27:24","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":53876,"char_end":54255,"raw_text":"[01:27:24] other boat operators? >> Yes, German chairman. >> But when it wasn't done with you on the boat, you were not uh too disturbed by that. >> Yes. Anything else? Mr. Edward, when was the last time you did a course with Slasper? >> 2022. >> Yeah. >> So, in the last 4 weeks, 2 months, you have not done any courses with Slasper. >> Yes, I have been go for like the um for\n\n","display_text":"other boat operators? >> Yes, German chairman. >> But when it wasn't done with you on the boat, you were not uh too disturbed by that. >> Yes. Anything else? Mr. Edward, when was the last time you did a course with Slasper? >> 2022. >> Yeah. >> So, in the last 4 weeks, 2 months, you have not done any courses with Slasper. >> Yes, I have been go for like the um for\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-125","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":125,"timestamp":"01:28:16","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":54255,"char_end":54629,"raw_text":"[01:28:16] the crew license now. So that's what I'm working on now. >> But I just ask you when was the last time date just give me the date. The date of the last course you did with Slasper. When was that? >> Was last month but I couldn't remember the date. >> Last month. >> Yeah. I >> which is September. >> Yeah. of 2026 >> was the last time we did a course with SLASPA\n\n","display_text":"the crew license now. So that's what I'm working on now. >> But I just ask you when was the last time date just give me the date. The date of the last course you did with Slasper. When was that? >> Was last month but I couldn't remember the date. >> Last month. >> Yeah. I >> which is September. >> Yeah. of 2026 >> was the last time we did a course with SLASPA\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-126","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":126,"timestamp":"01:28:54","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":54629,"char_end":55115,"raw_text":"[01:28:54] and you have the certification in your possession from that course. >> Yeah, I'm like I'm doing the certificate now. Yeah. >> And you will provide that certification by Friday of this week. I have the swing. The the the c like the swing I have for the captain. >> Right. Okay. Thank you. >> Mr. Edward, what do you have from Slasper? Is it some document to show that you you're doing training with them? Some receipt or something? You've paid for some training? What is it?\n\n","display_text":"and you have the certification in your possession from that course. >> Yeah, I'm like I'm doing the certificate now. Yeah. >> And you will provide that certification by Friday of this week. I have the swing. The the the c like the swing I have for the captain. >> Right. Okay. Thank you. >> Mr. Edward, what do you have from Slasper? Is it some document to show that you you're doing training with them? Some receipt or something? You've paid for some training? What is it?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-127","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":127,"timestamp":"01:29:40","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":55115,"char_end":55606,"raw_text":"[01:29:40] because you obviously do not have a captain's license. Now you keep saying captain's license, then you say swing, swing and captain same thing. >> It's a certificate. So I don't want to do the captain now. I choose to do crew now. >> But listen to what I'm saying. >> You keep saying swing then you say captain. What's the difference? You have to go get the certificate. After the certificate, you have to go for a little like training and stuff, >> right? So, you do not have a\n\n","display_text":"because you obviously do not have a captain's license. Now you keep saying captain's license, then you say swing, swing and captain same thing. >> It's a certificate. So I don't want to do the captain now. I choose to do crew now. >> But listen to what I'm saying. >> You keep saying swing then you say captain. What's the difference? You have to go get the certificate. After the certificate, you have to go for a little like training and stuff, >> right? So, you do not have a\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. 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I have\n\n","display_text":"certificate. >> I have the certificate. >> But you're saying you have to go and get the certificate. >> I was getting the certificate for for me to just show him up. The um chairman, I wanted to show the chairman the >> Which certificate do you have? >> The captain. >> Captain. Yeah. So, so, >> but if you have a captain's license, why would you want to leave that alone? >> I don't have a captain license. I have\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-129","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":129,"timestamp":"01:30:46","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":56033,"char_end":56393,"raw_text":"[01:30:46] like a certificate. A certificate means like you've done the course. >> So, you have a certificate showing >> Yeah. >> that you've done the course. >> Yeah. >> Right. So you've not done the practical part of that course. >> Yeah, >> that's that's what it is. >> Yes. >> He has the you have the certificate but you do not have a license. You have a\n\n","display_text":"like a certificate. A certificate means like you've done the course. >> So, you have a certificate showing >> Yeah. >> that you've done the course. >> Yeah. >> Right. So you've not done the practical part of that course. >> Yeah, >> that's that's what it is. >> Yes. >> He has the you have the certificate but you do not have a license. You have a\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. 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Oh yeah. >> Listen listen. The course you've done? >> Yeah. >> Is it for the captain or for the crew? >> The course right now. >> Whichever one you've done.\n\n","display_text":"certificate. >> No, I have the license. >> The certificate showing that you completed the course >> but you do not have a license to operate. >> Yes. Yes. Chairman. >> So So that cost is for what? >> So I don't want to do the captain right now. Oh yeah. >> Listen listen. The course you've done? >> Yeah. >> Is it for the captain or for the crew? >> The course right now. >> Whichever one you've done.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. 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So you've done a course >> for captain. >> Yeah. >> But you've not gotten the license for the captain yet? >> Yes. >> And you what are you doing now? >> I applying for the the first mid now which is the crew. >> So you applying to do the course for the crew? >> Yes. But you've not done the cost for the crew? >> No.\n\n","display_text":">> The first one I done it was captain. >> Okay. So you've done a course >> for captain. >> Yeah. >> But you've not gotten the license for the captain yet? >> Yes. >> And you what are you doing now? >> I applying for the the first mid now which is the crew. >> So you applying to do the course for the crew? >> Yes. But you've not done the cost for the crew? >> No.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. The chair orders all relevant certificates/licences delivered to Soufrière police by noon Friday 16 October. His answers contain reversals even during the clarification. 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I think you're a bit clearer now on on what we're trying to get out of you. Thank you, Mr. >> Okay. No problem. We clear on him. Okay. Okay. Um, these are the questions we have for you at this stage. Before we release you though, could you >> is there anything you wish to add to what you have said here?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-133","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":133,"timestamp":"01:32:33","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":57621,"char_end":58026,"raw_text":"[01:32:33] >> Is there anything that you left out that you believe is important for you to speak to us on? >> No. >> Mhm. >> Any of the remaining Yeah. >> to to deliver a document? >> Yes. No, I will come to that. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Any of the witnesses have anything to ask? >> No. Very well. Now you have said that you will be able to deliver the document by 12:00 on Friday. 12:00 Friday the what date\n\n","display_text":">> Is there anything that you left out that you believe is important for you to speak to us on? >> No. >> Mhm. >> Any of the remaining Yeah. >> to to deliver a document? >> Yes. No, I will come to that. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Any of the witnesses have anything to ask? >> No. Very well. Now you have said that you will be able to deliver the document by 12:00 on Friday. 12:00 Friday the what date\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-134","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":134,"timestamp":"01:33:06","section":"d2p2-edward","char_start":58026,"char_end":58475,"raw_text":"[01:33:06] now? Friday the >> Yes, chairman. >> Friday 16th October. >> Yeah. Friday 16th October at 12:00 noon or by 12 noon you will deliver you will take the certificate and any other license or certificate that you have concerning the operation of boats you should make them available you take the copy to the super police station Joseph the secretary of the commission will arrange for an officer to be available to receive it from All right.\n\n","display_text":"now? Friday the >> Yes, chairman. >> Friday 16th October. >> Yeah. Friday 16th October at 12:00 noon or by 12 noon you will deliver you will take the certificate and any other license or certificate that you have concerning the operation of boats you should make them available you take the copy to the super police station Joseph the secretary of the commission will arrange for an officer to be available to receive it from All right.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. 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Apart from that, I just need to let you know also that if anything arises where we need to hear from you further, you will be asked to return uh to to\n\n","display_text":">> Yeah, >> and this is a a a directive given to you by the commission which has all the powers of a court for anybody who disobys its directives. So please don't put yourself in that category. Ensure that by 12:00 on Friday, you have delivered those documents to the Supra police station. >> Yes, chairman. >> Very well. >> Yes. Apart from that, I just need to let you know also that if anything arises where we need to hear from you further, you will be asked to return uh to to\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-E11","title":"Course certificate is distinguished from authority to operate","text":"Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. The chair orders all relevant certificates/licences delivered to Soufrière police by noon Friday 16 October. His answers contain reversals even during the clarification. 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No work. >> I beg your pardon? >> I got no work doing. >> You're unemployed? >> Yeah. >> Did you on the 21st of July 2026 give a statement to the police about what you know about what transpired on the 18th of July 2026? >> No.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-139","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":139,"timestamp":"01:37:04","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":60033,"char_end":60438,"raw_text":"[01:37:04] Did you give a statement or >> to the police? >> Yes. >> Short statement? >> Yes. You gave a statement to the police? >> Yes. Short one. >> On the 21st of July? >> Yeah. >> Were you given that statement, a copy of the statement to read before you you came to sit there? Were you given a copy this morning to read? >> Yes. And you uh what you read you are satisfied that it is true and correct\n\n","display_text":"Did you give a statement or >> to the police? >> Yes. >> Short statement? >> Yes. You gave a statement to the police? >> Yes. Short one. >> On the 21st of July? >> Yeah. >> Were you given that statement, a copy of the statement to read before you you came to sit there? Were you given a copy this morning to read? >> Yes. And you uh what you read you are satisfied that it is true and correct\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-140","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":140,"timestamp":"01:37:32","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":60438,"char_end":60799,"raw_text":"[01:37:32] based on what you told the police officer on the 21st of July? >> Yes. >> Yes sir. >> And do you wish to add anything to it to alter anything on it? >> No, I have nothing much to say. >> You have nothing much to say? >> Yeah. >> But what you said there is the truth. What you said in your statement. Yeah. Yes. Who wants this? >> You good? >> Yeah.\n\n","display_text":"based on what you told the police officer on the 21st of July? >> Yes. >> Yes sir. >> And do you wish to add anything to it to alter anything on it? >> No, I have nothing much to say. >> You have nothing much to say? >> Yeah. >> But what you said there is the truth. What you said in your statement. Yeah. Yes. Who wants this? >> You good? >> Yeah.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-141","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":141,"timestamp":"01:38:19","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":60799,"char_end":61209,"raw_text":"[01:38:19] >> All right. Thanks. Based on the statement that you gave to the police in regard to the collision at sea on the 18th of July this year, 2026, you indicated that you were the lookout on the boat. No, I wasn't the lookout. Okay. I never say I was any lookout. >> You were not the lookout. >> No. >> Where were you sitting on the boat? >> On the bow in front. >> Was there anybody sitting near you?\n\n","display_text":">> All right. Thanks. Based on the statement that you gave to the police in regard to the collision at sea on the 18th of July this year, 2026, you indicated that you were the lookout on the boat. No, I wasn't the lookout. Okay. I never say I was any lookout. >> You were not the lookout. >> No. >> Where were you sitting on the boat? >> On the bow in front. >> Was there anybody sitting near you?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B01","title":"Butcher’s presence and bow position are clear; his assigned role is disputed","text":"The witness introduced as Janelle/General Butcher, also acknowledging Mavado, says he joined the return trip as a passenger, sat at the bow and was not the lookout. Edward and Chris identify him as lookout; Chris eventually explains that inference rests on seat position. Use Butcher (known as Mavado), with formal first-name spelling pending verification. Do not merge him with Lester/Soya. 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No. >> You think you do not know them at all? >> I don't know them because I I was Brazil and they give me a ride to go to Sufra. So I never go up on their boat. >> Do you know a gentleman by the name of\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B01","title":"Butcher’s presence and bow position are clear; his assigned role is disputed","text":"The witness introduced as Janelle/General Butcher, also acknowledging Mavado, says he joined the return trip as a passenger, sat at the bow and was not the lookout. Edward and Chris identify him as lookout; Chris eventually explains that inference rests on seat position. Use Butcher (known as Mavado), with formal first-name spelling pending verification. Do not merge him with Lester/Soya. 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Sorry. >> Tyson Hippolit. >> Yeah. >> Do you know who was captain in Kaza Jr.? >> Can you remember? >> No. >> Was there anything you may have eaten or probably drunk prior or before you went on the boat? >> No.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-144","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":144,"timestamp":"01:40:07","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":61962,"char_end":62339,"raw_text":"[01:40:07] >> That would cause you not to remember who the boat captain was? >> No. >> So, but you just don't remember who was captain in the boat? >> No. But you know Tyson Hippolit? >> I know him. >> You know him? >> Yeah. >> Did you see him on the boat at all? >> Well, >> what was your answer? >> He asked you whether you saw Tyson on the boat at all that night. I didn't\n\n","display_text":">> That would cause you not to remember who the boat captain was? >> No. >> So, but you just don't remember who was captain in the boat? >> No. But you know Tyson Hippolit? >> I know him. >> You know him? >> Yeah. >> Did you see him on the boat at all? >> Well, >> what was your answer? >> He asked you whether you saw Tyson on the boat at all that night. I didn't\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-145","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":145,"timestamp":"01:40:37","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":62339,"char_end":62775,"raw_text":"[01:40:37] hear what you answered. >> You saw Tyson on the boat? >> Yes. >> Very Do you remember what Tyson was doing on the boat? No. No. Your statement to the police indicate that you left Sufre in the afternoon on a boat and you went to Pigeon Point. That's correct. >> Yes. >> So which means you would have left Sufre went to Pigeon Point I guess to a fair party something and then to return to Sufre that was your intention. Yes.\n\n","display_text":"hear what you answered. >> You saw Tyson on the boat? >> Yes. >> Very Do you remember what Tyson was doing on the boat? No. No. Your statement to the police indicate that you left Sufre in the afternoon on a boat and you went to Pigeon Point. That's correct. >> Yes. >> So which means you would have left Sufre went to Pigeon Point I guess to a fair party something and then to return to Sufre that was your intention. Yes.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-146","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":146,"timestamp":"01:41:32","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":62775,"char_end":63195,"raw_text":"[01:41:32] >> So can you guide us to what happened when you left Grizzly heading down to Sufre in the evening and possibly what time you may have left Sufre sorry grizzly to go back to Sufre. Do you remember what happened when you left Gili? >> Yeah. >> To head back to Sufre in the evening. >> Yes. What happened was I I approach Mango asked him a ride to go to Suare. He told me I can get a ride. I go down to Suare.\n\n","display_text":">> So can you guide us to what happened when you left Grizzly heading down to Sufre in the evening and possibly what time you may have left Sufre sorry grizzly to go back to Sufre. 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So since you were at the front of the boat on the bow as it is called, did you notice anyone else looking out for anything that a log in the water, another boat in the water? Maybe a buoy floating in the water? >> No. >> Were there any other boats traveling together from Grizzly to Su with you alongside ahead of you? No boats. Did you notice as you said you saw the lights on? Mango was on. >> Yeah.\n\n","display_text":"speed going down the rich anos the wood bro. So since you were at the front of the boat on the bow as it is called, did you notice anyone else looking out for anything that a log in the water, another boat in the water? Maybe a buoy floating in the water? >> No. >> Were there any other boats traveling together from Grizzly to Su with you alongside ahead of you? No boats. Did you notice as you said you saw the lights on? 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Do you remember? >> Mango. >> Okay. >> But you did you the question I asked earlier, did you you said you knew Tyson, but did you notice that he was the one driving the boat? >> No. But in your statement to the police, you indicated, \"I notice a guy I know by the name of Tyson driving the boat.\" So which is correct? Is what you say now correct or\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-151","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":151,"timestamp":"01:45:02","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":64862,"char_end":65355,"raw_text":"[01:45:02] what you said before? Because before you said you notice he was the one driving the boat and now you're saying you don't know what he was doing. So which of those two statements are correct? Well, at the time I asked them to ride. >> Can you bring the mic a little closer? Just shift it up a bit up. Right. >> At the time I asked Mango to ride. I didn't see who I was being staring. >> So Mango is the owner of the boat. >> Yeah. >> That's how you all call him. >> Yeah. >> Right.\n\n","display_text":"what you said before? Because before you said you notice he was the one driving the boat and now you're saying you don't know what he was doing. So which of those two statements are correct? Well, at the time I asked them to ride. >> Can you bring the mic a little closer? Just shift it up a bit up. Right. >> At the time I asked Mango to ride. I didn't see who I was being staring. >> So Mango is the owner of the boat. >> Yeah. >> That's how you all call him. >> Yeah. >> Right.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-152","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":152,"timestamp":"01:45:37","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":65355,"char_end":65753,"raw_text":"[01:45:37] >> So can you tell us what happened after the life jacket was given to the lady? Do you know the lady's name? No. >> Well, >> second. >> I know her, but I cannot recall a name. >> Okay. But a life jacket was given to a lady. >> Yeah. >> Um, did the boat stop to give the life jacket to the lady? >> Yeah, we stopped. >> Why? >> Because where the life jacket was, I was in the position.\n\n","display_text":">> So can you tell us what happened after the life jacket was given to the lady? Do you know the lady's name? No. >> Well, >> second. >> I know her, but I cannot recall a name. >> Okay. But a life jacket was given to a lady. >> Yeah. >> Um, did the boat stop to give the life jacket to the lady? >> Yeah, we stopped. >> Why? >> Because where the life jacket was, I was in the position.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B03","title":"The claim that a girl wore the jacket becomes an admitted assumption","text":"Butcher repeatedly says a girl received and wore the jacket. Later he explains that after handing it over he resumed facing forward, did not watch who wore it, and had assumed it was for the girl. This later explanation must accompany any earlier contradiction. 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Yes, because the place I was is in front. Lift it up a bit. Right. I was in front of the boat. So, I was in no position to take the life jacket for to give to the girl. Yeah. So, Tyson stopped. I took the life jacket the girl and I gave it to the girl and the girl put the light jacket on her. Was the sea rough or was it very very calm at the time of that? >> Well, on different different place we go\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B03","title":"The claim that a girl wore the jacket becomes an admitted assumption","text":"Butcher repeatedly says a girl received and wore the jacket. Later he explains that after handing it over he resumed facing forward, did not watch who wore it, and had assumed it was for the girl. This later explanation must accompany any earlier contradiction. 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No. No. Did you have a life jacket on me? >> Yes. No. You indicated that it was dark and the boat the sea was choppy, but did you feel that it was necessary or even safer to have a life jacket on knowing that he was sitting at the front\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-155","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":155,"timestamp":"01:47:37","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":66698,"char_end":67002,"raw_text":"[01:47:37] of the boat? Yes, >> it was necessary. >> Yeah. >> Why second? >> That's a law. You must have a life jacket whenever you're traveling on a boat. >> Yes. Were you offered a life jacket by Bango? >> Yeah. >> Did you take one? >> He offered me one, but I didn't take one. >> You didn't take it?\n\n","display_text":"of the boat? Yes, >> it was necessary. >> Yeah. >> Why second? >> That's a law. You must have a life jacket whenever you're traveling on a boat. >> Yes. Were you offered a life jacket by Bango? >> Yeah. >> Did you take one? >> He offered me one, but I didn't take one. >> You didn't take it?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-156","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":156,"timestamp":"01:47:58","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":67002,"char_end":67439,"raw_text":"[01:47:58] >> No. >> Did he offer anybody else other than the lady or the girl? >> Yeah. But everybody raised by that say you can swim and so we don't need life jacket. What happened when you reach at Asco? You know Ask Scotia very well. >> Yeah. >> Can you give us an idea where Ankosha is between any two village or where you think is located? >> Well, Anosha is between anary and can >> Yeah. >> Okay. 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I didn't catch you. >> Is there anything in particular that would say because it's nighttime that would say maybe because of X or Y I know I am at a Scotia. Anything in particular? >> Well, it's it's a beach. It's it's a little hotel. They have left unsure. >> So there's a beach and there's a hotel. Do you know the name of the hotel in that area?\n\n","display_text":"indicate by night because it was dark that you were actually at Scotia? >> Yeah. >> What? What is there? >> One. I didn't catch you. >> Is there anything in particular that would say because it's nighttime that would say maybe because of X or Y I know I am at a Scotia. Anything in particular? >> Well, it's it's a beach. It's it's a little hotel. They have left unsure. >> So there's a beach and there's a hotel. 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I was on the lookout. >> Good. Um, this person whom you refer to as Mango, what is his what is his proper name? >> Dwight.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-165","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":165,"timestamp":"01:53:11","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":70863,"char_end":71235,"raw_text":"[01:53:11] >> Yeah. >> You refer to Dwight as Mango. >> Do you know Ireina Pascal? >> That's the same person. That's Dwight. Same Dwight. Do you know Ironos Pascal? >> No. >> You know Dwight? >> Yes. >> Dwight is also >> tell I know Dwight. >> He's also Mango. >> I'm not I'm not there to listen to nothing. >> No, you're not. >> I'm telling you what I know straight up.\n\n","display_text":">> Yeah. >> You refer to Dwight as Mango. >> Do you know Ireina Pascal? >> That's the same person. That's Dwight. Same Dwight. Do you know Ironos Pascal? >> No. >> You know Dwight? >> Yes. >> Dwight is also >> tell I know Dwight. >> He's also Mango. >> I'm not I'm not there to listen to nothing. >> No, you're not. >> I'm telling you what I know straight up.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-166","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":166,"timestamp":"01:53:47","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":71235,"char_end":71683,"raw_text":"[01:53:47] >> No, listen. Listen. I'm asking you a few question. >> Yeah. So Dwight and Mango are the same persons. >> I know him as Mango as his son name Mango and I know him as Dwight. They call him on the on the street. >> Okay. Um is he the owner of the boat you are on? >> Well, just tell him that. Yes. >> Right. If I were to tell you that Mango said you were the lookout, what would you say to that? But I just tell him that a while ago. I\n\n","display_text":">> No, listen. Listen. I'm asking you a few question. >> Yeah. So Dwight and Mango are the same persons. >> I know him as Mango as his son name Mango and I know him as Dwight. They call him on the on the street. >> Okay. Um is he the owner of the boat you are on? >> Well, just tell him that. Yes. >> Right. If I were to tell you that Mango said you were the lookout, what would you say to that? But I just tell him that a while ago. I\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-167","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":167,"timestamp":"01:54:32","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":71683,"char_end":72182,"raw_text":"[01:54:32] I'm not there to twist and tell no nothing. What I know I saying what I know. Okay. But I am I am asking I'm telling you now that persons have said before this commission that you were the lookout on Kazuna and Kazola Jr. Is that true? Were you the lookout? >> I just said to him, I'm not the lookout. >> You were not the lookout. Good. >> Okay. >> On the night of that accident, did you drive Kazullah Jr.? >> I had no captain. I do have no captain license. What? I join both. >> Okay.\n\n","display_text":"I'm not there to twist and tell no nothing. What I know I saying what I know. Okay. But I am I am asking I'm telling you now that persons have said before this commission that you were the lookout on Kazuna and Kazola Jr. Is that true? Were you the lookout? >> I just said to him, I'm not the lookout. >> You were not the lookout. Good. >> Okay. >> On the night of that accident, did you drive Kazullah Jr.? >> I had no captain. I do have no captain license. What? 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Two minutes from shore is not a measured distance. Preserve all accounts, and seek engine, damage, drift and rescue-position evidence.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-172","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":172,"timestamp":"01:57:59","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":73996,"char_end":74454,"raw_text":"[01:57:59] >> So >> I never seen no boat after that. I never seen no boat that bounced me. I never see anything. >> I have not asked you that. I have not asked you whether you saw any boat. The issue of the life vest. All the persons before this commission has test have testified that Tyson stopped the boat to allow Mr. Pascal or Dwight as you say to go to get a life jacket for someone. Wasn't it Dwight or Mango himself who went to get the life jacket?\n\n","display_text":">> So >> I never seen no boat after that. I never seen no boat that bounced me. I never see anything. >> I have not asked you that. I have not asked you whether you saw any boat. The issue of the life vest. All the persons before this commission has test have testified that Tyson stopped the boat to allow Mr. Pascal or Dwight as you say to go to get a life jacket for someone. Wasn't it Dwight or Mango himself who went to get the life jacket?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-173","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":173,"timestamp":"01:58:49","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":74454,"char_end":74824,"raw_text":"[01:58:49] That was at the front of the boat. >> Who did you give the life jacket to? >> To the girl. >> And who wore the life jacket? >> The girl. >> What's the girl's name? I I just tell them commissioner that I don't know a girl by a name. That's it. What is the name of the vessel about which you were traveling? Um, Mr. Butcher. >> Then you know the word. >> Yes.\n\n","display_text":"That was at the front of the boat. >> Who did you give the life jacket to? >> To the girl. >> And who wore the life jacket? >> The girl. >> What's the girl's name? I I just tell them commissioner that I don't know a girl by a name. That's it. What is the name of the vessel about which you were traveling? Um, Mr. Butcher. >> Then you know the word. >> Yes.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B03","title":"The claim that a girl wore the jacket becomes an admitted assumption","text":"Butcher repeatedly says a girl received and wore the jacket. Later he explains that after handing it over he resumed facing forward, did not watch who wore it, and had assumed it was for the girl. This later explanation must accompany any earlier contradiction. 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Because me that was in the bow >> and you are certain that it is the lady who wore the life vest? You are sure that it is the lady who wore the life vest? Yeah, >> but Mr. Butcher, everybody else on the boat, including the lady, said that it was a gentleman who wore a life vest. Everybody else on the boat, including that lady herself, says she asked for the life vest to give to someone else.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B03","title":"The claim that a girl wore the jacket becomes an admitted assumption","text":"Butcher repeatedly says a girl received and wore the jacket. Later he explains that after handing it over he resumed facing forward, did not watch who wore it, and had assumed it was for the girl. This later explanation must accompany any earlier contradiction. 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Mr. Butcher, I'm putting it to you that you know nothing of what happened on that boat that night. >> Be honest with us first. Come on. Nothing you have said in your statement align or fits anything anybody else have said to that commission. The closest thing you've said is that you are at the bow of the boat. Other\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B03","title":"The claim that a girl wore the jacket becomes an admitted assumption","text":"Butcher repeatedly says a girl received and wore the jacket. Later he explains that after handing it over he resumed facing forward, did not watch who wore it, and had assumed it was for the girl. This later explanation must accompany any earlier contradiction. 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Apart from that, people suggest that the young lady requested of a live vest from the captain to give to a gentleman which she did. The gentleman wore the vest. Everybody agreed that the only person who wore a vest on that night was the gentleman. You give a completely different story. I am putting it to you, Mr. Butcher, that you know nothing of what transpired on that boat between Pigeon Point and the accident. >> Well, if I know nothing, let me let me let me let me finish. I'm I'm I'm\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-177","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":177,"timestamp":"02:02:06","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":76317,"char_end":76774,"raw_text":"[02:02:06] putting it to you that you know nothing and you are here simply repeating what you would have heard from other persons. >> I'm not a repeater. >> You're not a repeater. After the accident, what happened? >> I just put in it how I know it. >> And no. >> After the accident, what happened? 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And what did that briefing entail? >> Well, at the time he was giving this briefing, I just reached so I cannot explain the briefing for you, but I hear you was talking to the guys about something like when you're going down, you know. >> Can you just fix the mic so you speak into it? Thank you. So after that briefing, do you remember what time you departed Rodney Bay?\n\n","display_text":"briefing >> before we leave? >> Yes. And what did that briefing entail? >> Well, at the time he was giving this briefing, I just reached so I cannot explain the briefing for you, but I hear you was talking to the guys about something like when you're going down, you know. >> Can you just fix the mic so you speak into it? Thank you. 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According to your statement, you sat on the seat closest to the bow of the vessel. Is there any particular reason why you why you sat there? Yes. And what was that reason? The reason is I always have I always want to sit on the bow because the feeling more comfortable. You feel more comfortable.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-183","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":183,"timestamp":"02:06:20","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":78679,"char_end":78995,"raw_text":"[02:06:20] >> Yeah. >> And uh by the way, you are a vendor, correct? >> Yes. >> Uh what do you vend? >> Like I make roses, blood, fish, grasshoppers. >> Um and you sell that to the tourists, I assume? >> Yeah. And in your bending, do you take a lot of boat rides? >> No. >> So, no. 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Is that correct? from Suf to from from to to go out to Rosal. >> Did you Yeah. Did you wear a life jacket there? >> No. >> And did you wear one from Rosal to Sufra on the way back? >> No. When you left Rodney Bay,\n\n","display_text":">> Sometimes. But on the 18th of July, the voyage to Sufre, you decided not to wear a life jacket. Is that correct? from Suf to from from to to go out to Rosal. >> Did you Yeah. Did you wear a life jacket there? >> No. >> And did you wear one from Rosal to Sufra on the way back? >> No. When you left Rodney Bay,\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-186","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":186,"timestamp":"02:08:34","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":79687,"char_end":80082,"raw_text":"[02:08:34] how was the weather? Well, >> it was It wasn't bad. >> Was When you say it wasn't bad, what do you mean? It was raining. It was dark. It wasn't raining. It was clear. >> But what do you mean by wasn't bad? It was a pleasant starry night or was it dark or it was dark? >> That's what I'm trying to get. And that's that's on the trip back to Sufre. I'm talking about the weather then.\n\n","display_text":"how was the weather? Well, >> it was It wasn't bad. >> Was When you say it wasn't bad, what do you mean? It was raining. It was dark. It wasn't raining. It was clear. >> But what do you mean by wasn't bad? It was a pleasant starry night or was it dark or it was dark? >> That's what I'm trying to get. And that's that's on the trip back to Sufre. I'm talking about the weather then.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-187","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":187,"timestamp":"02:09:30","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":80082,"char_end":80462,"raw_text":"[02:09:30] So you understand the question? >> Yeah, I understand. >> And you're saying the weather was not bad? >> No. >> And how was the sea? >> Was calm? Not really. Different places. It was calm. Was choppy. Yeah. >> So what areas were choppy? Like drop you like the water raising a little bit. >> Yeah. But what areas along the way to Sufra? Outside in Rodney Bay by Winjama\n\n","display_text":"So you understand the question? >> Yeah, I understand. >> And you're saying the weather was not bad? >> No. >> And how was the sea? >> Was calm? Not really. Different places. It was calm. Was choppy. 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But to me\n\n","display_text":">> off ancillary of broadcast trees. Well, outside of Jama Mango um told the captain, we're not in the rush. We're not we're not on speed. So, we go down. Simple. Okay. That's the area that I wanted to dwell on. In your statement, you said while we were leaving Groier, I heard Dwight tell Tyson we were not in a rush to go home. >> That's correct. >> Yeah. But right after you say we were not moving very fast. But to me\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-189","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":189,"timestamp":"02:11:02","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":80896,"char_end":81333,"raw_text":"[02:11:02] you said when you say we were not moving very fast compared to the speed limit. >> Yeah. So what do you think the speed limit was? The speed was sorry. Well, it was about it wasn't about it was about half speed. So close. Yeah. With that much speed. >> When you say half speed, you mean the throttle. >> Yeah. >> Or half the speed. You came up with >> I didn't came up on the boat. >> Okay. You didn't come up with kazo. You\n\n","display_text":"you said when you say we were not moving very fast compared to the speed limit. >> Yeah. So what do you think the speed limit was? The speed was sorry. Well, it was about it wasn't about it was about half speed. So close. Yeah. With that much speed. >> When you say half speed, you mean the throttle. >> Yeah. >> Or half the speed. You came up with >> I didn't came up on the boat. >> Okay. You didn't come up with kazo. You\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-190","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":190,"timestamp":"02:11:40","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":81333,"char_end":81706,"raw_text":"[02:11:40] came up with another boat. Yeah. So, what are you comparing it to when you say half speed? Well, the truth. >> The tr Okay. And you said he also asked me to take a life jacket for him in front, which I did. Yes. Do you recall who he gave the life jacket to? Well, when I give it to him, I sit back and if I like if you see >> I can't hear you speaking the mic.\n\n","display_text":"came up with another boat. Yeah. So, what are you comparing it to when you say half speed? Well, the truth. >> The tr Okay. And you said he also asked me to take a life jacket for him in front, which I did. Yes. Do you recall who he gave the life jacket to? Well, when I give it to him, I sit back and if I like if you see >> I can't hear you speaking the mic.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B03","title":"The claim that a girl wore the jacket becomes an admitted assumption","text":"Butcher repeatedly says a girl received and wore the jacket. Later he explains that after handing it over he resumed facing forward, did not watch who wore it, and had assumed it was for the girl. This later explanation must accompany any earlier contradiction. 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I never turn back to see if the girl have the the life jacket but I know girls cannot swim. I thought was for the girl. That's why I gave that understatement. So in general you're of the position that >> when I gave him the life jacket when I hand it to him I went back and sit so I can I didn't see like we was giving the life jacket. >> Okay. He made mention that\n\n","display_text":"point in time see the girl with the life jacket? I never turn back to see if the girl have the the life jacket but I know girls cannot swim. I thought was for the girl. That's why I gave that understatement. So in general you're of the position that >> when I gave him the life jacket when I hand it to him I went back and sit so I can I didn't see like we was giving the life jacket. >> Okay. He made mention that\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B03","title":"The claim that a girl wore the jacket becomes an admitted assumption","text":"Butcher repeatedly says a girl received and wore the jacket. Later he explains that after handing it over he resumed facing forward, did not watch who wore it, and had assumed it was for the girl. This later explanation must accompany any earlier contradiction. Avoid portraying the first assertion as equally weighted direct observation after the witness disclaims seeing the wearer.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-193","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":193,"timestamp":"02:13:46","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":82590,"char_end":82996,"raw_text":"[02:13:46] when we arrived in Ans Koshaw, I heard a loud noise and realized a boat hit ours. Do you recall seeing that vessel before it hit the boat you on? No. So you were still seated on the bow when you heard that impact. Correct. >> No. When I in the impact, I flip over the wood and I land in the sea. But before you flipped over and before the impact, you were still sitting on the bow of the boat.\n\n","display_text":"when we arrived in Ans Koshaw, I heard a loud noise and realized a boat hit ours. Do you recall seeing that vessel before it hit the boat you on? No. So you were still seated on the bow when you heard that impact. Correct. >> No. When I in the impact, I flip over the wood and I land in the sea. But before you flipped over and before the impact, you were still sitting on the bow of the boat.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-194","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":194,"timestamp":"02:14:40","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":82996,"char_end":83429,"raw_text":"[02:14:40] So where were you on the boat when the when when the impact hit the boat? >> Correct. >> I f over the boat and I land in the sea. I never >> But where were you on the boat before the impact? Before >> in front of the bow. >> On the bow. Okay. All right. So before that impact, did you see anything? >> No, I just said I don't see nothing. You told me that already. >> No, I'm just going through to make sure. No problem.\n\n","display_text":"So where were you on the boat when the when when the impact hit the boat? >> Correct. >> I f over the boat and I land in the sea. I never >> But where were you on the boat before the impact? Before >> in front of the bow. >> On the bow. Okay. All right. So before that impact, did you see anything? >> No, I just said I don't see nothing. You told me that already. >> No, I'm just going through to make sure. No problem.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-195","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":195,"timestamp":"02:15:17","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":83429,"char_end":83860,"raw_text":"[02:15:17] >> It's correct. That's all. >> Yeah. So you were sitting on the bow and just one more time in the position you were sitting which was on the bow could you see anything in front you well in the position I was sitting on the bow I couldn't see nothing because it don't have no light even that light I could Okay. Okay. So, in your statement you said I never saw the boat or its lights. Which boat were you referring to?\n\n","display_text":">> It's correct. That's all. >> Yeah. So you were sitting on the bow and just one more time in the position you were sitting which was on the bow could you see anything in front you well in the position I was sitting on the bow I couldn't see nothing because it don't have no light even that light I could Okay. Okay. So, in your statement you said I never saw the boat or its lights. Which boat were you referring to?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B05","title":"Butcher reports lights aboard Cazorla, but not a view of the approaching boat","text":"He recalls red and green lights, cannot confirm a white light, reports seeing no approaching boat, wake or lights, and says he was suddenly in the water. A commissioner’s suggestion that absent visible water reflection means lights were off is not a finding; Butcher explains his seat prevented seeing that patch of water. His statement that the other boat had no lights lacks direct observation of that boat.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-196","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":196,"timestamp":"02:16:08","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":83860,"char_end":84298,"raw_text":"[02:16:08] I just told you I don't know which boat. I never seen no boat. So, I cannot tell you the name of the boat. is after I getting to know you died me after I recover and then you said right after that I did not have it did not have any lights on it and you're talking about the boat that hit you. >> Yes. That's all Mr. Butcher. Thank you. Mr. Butcher, um I just wanted to ask you one question, maybe the simplest this afternoon.\n\n","display_text":"I just told you I don't know which boat. I never seen no boat. So, I cannot tell you the name of the boat. is after I getting to know you died me after I recover and then you said right after that I did not have it did not have any lights on it and you're talking about the boat that hit you. >> Yes. That's all Mr. Butcher. Thank you. Mr. Butcher, um I just wanted to ask you one question, maybe the simplest this afternoon.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B05","title":"Butcher reports lights aboard Cazorla, but not a view of the approaching boat","text":"He recalls red and green lights, cannot confirm a white light, reports seeing no approaching boat, wake or lights, and says he was suddenly in the water. A commissioner’s suggestion that absent visible water reflection means lights were off is not a finding; Butcher explains his seat prevented seeing that patch of water. 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In fact, just about all persons who would have given evidence before the commission. What I know I can say. So that's it. >> Say again please. >> What I know that happened at the night I I can recall. So because you gave a statement to the police, you signed the statement which we have in our possession. But your your recollection of the events of the evening is totally different than what\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-198","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":198,"timestamp":"02:18:06","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":84804,"char_end":85277,"raw_text":"[02:18:06] you have given here today. And as Commissioner Defrus indicated to you and I am of the same belief that you have no idea as to what happened the evening. I would not suggest that you may have eaten or drank anything that would have impaired your judgment or otherwise. But I think it would be safe to say that your evidence before us today is totally different from just about every person that we have. And the question I now leave you is why? Thank you. Why?\n\n","display_text":"you have given here today. And as Commissioner Defrus indicated to you and I am of the same belief that you have no idea as to what happened the evening. I would not suggest that you may have eaten or drank anything that would have impaired your judgment or otherwise. But I think it would be safe to say that your evidence before us today is totally different from just about every person that we have. And the question I now leave you is why? Thank you. Why?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B08","title":"Alcohol allegations are not established by the exchange","text":"Butcher denies drinking alcohol and says he drank water. A commissioner later says peers said otherwise but identifies no specific drink, witness or verified test in this exchange. Do not publish as intoxication established, diagnose impairment from demeanour, or reproduce the allegation without its evidentiary limits.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-199","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":199,"timestamp":"02:18:55","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":85277,"char_end":85746,"raw_text":"[02:18:55] Well, the reason why it different the statement I gave to the police the the statement I gave to the police I never know. So it would have been today. You never know what >> you said. The statement you gave to the police, you never know what >> I said. >> Yes. >> The statement I give to the police. I never know today I would have come there to represent the same statement. So, are you sure that you were truthful in everything you said to the police, or\n\n","display_text":"Well, the reason why it different the statement I gave to the police the the statement I gave to the police I never know. So it would have been today. You never know what >> you said. The statement you gave to the police, you never know what >> I said. >> Yes. >> The statement I give to the police. I never know today I would have come there to represent the same statement. So, are you sure that you were truthful in everything you said to the police, or\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-200","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":200,"timestamp":"02:19:46","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":85746,"char_end":86206,"raw_text":"[02:19:46] are you saying that you may have told the police what you knew that was not correct? >> Where the state I give the police is >> in the mic, please. I I need to we need to hear. So, go closer to the mic. You can hear me clearly, right? The statement I gave to the police is that that recall to the night. That's what I can give on the statement. That's what end happened for the night. >> Yeah. >> But your recollection of in fact what you remember\n\n","display_text":"are you saying that you may have told the police what you knew that was not correct? >> Where the state I give the police is >> in the mic, please. I I need to we need to hear. So, go closer to the mic. You can hear me clearly, right? The statement I gave to the police is that that recall to the night. That's what I can give on the statement. That's what end happened for the night. >> Yeah. >> But your recollection of in fact what you remember\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-201","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":201,"timestamp":"02:20:23","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":86206,"char_end":86670,"raw_text":"[02:20:23] for the night you gave to the police. But at this time you are giving something totally different. And if I was of a different opinion, I would have said that there may be two general butchers in Suare because you indicated that you do not consume alcohol, but your peers stated differently. Your peers stated that you do consume alcohol. So, are you surprised that your peers know that you consume alcohol and you don't know that you consume alcohol?\n\n","display_text":"for the night you gave to the police. But at this time you are giving something totally different. And if I was of a different opinion, I would have said that there may be two general butchers in Suare because you indicated that you do not consume alcohol, but your peers stated differently. Your peers stated that you do consume alcohol. So, are you surprised that your peers know that you consume alcohol and you don't know that you consume alcohol?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B08","title":"Alcohol allegations are not established by the exchange","text":"Butcher denies drinking alcohol and says he drank water. A commissioner later says peers said otherwise but identifies no specific drink, witness or verified test in this exchange. Do not publish as intoxication established, diagnose impairment from demeanour, or reproduce the allegation without its evidentiary limits.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-202","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":202,"timestamp":"02:21:12","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":86670,"char_end":87096,"raw_text":"[02:21:12] >> Okay. But what alcohol I consume? >> I was not on the boat. >> No, but you have a statement. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Butcher. Uh, Mr. Butcher, are you aware that four persons died that night? >> Yes. >> Did you know any of the deceased? >> Yes. And do you understand why we are questioning you and trying to find the true details of what happened that night? >> Yes. >> So, is there anything you can add to\n\n","display_text":">> Okay. But what alcohol I consume? >> I was not on the boat. >> No, but you have a statement. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Butcher. Uh, Mr. Butcher, are you aware that four persons died that night? >> Yes. >> Did you know any of the deceased? >> Yes. And do you understand why we are questioning you and trying to find the true details of what happened that night? >> Yes. >> So, is there anything you can add to\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B08","title":"Alcohol allegations are not established by the exchange","text":"Butcher denies drinking alcohol and says he drank water. A commissioner later says peers said otherwise but identifies no specific drink, witness or verified test in this exchange. 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So, do you understand how serious\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-204","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":204,"timestamp":"02:23:15","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":87428,"char_end":87778,"raw_text":"[02:23:15] this maritime incident was? >> Yes. >> I can't. >> Yes. Yes. And knowing that you still have nothing to add to your statement and you you're convinced that this statement you gave to the police was accurate. No. Thank you. >> Tell me something, Mr. Butcher. Where you were seated on the bow, you say that's somewhere you always wanted to\n\n","display_text":"this maritime incident was? >> Yes. >> I can't. >> Yes. Yes. And knowing that you still have nothing to add to your statement and you you're convinced that this statement you gave to the police was accurate. 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So you're saying\n\n","display_text":"sit. >> Yes. >> And how did you get your wish to sit there? Were did you ask to sit there? Were you told to sit there? How how did you come to be seated on the bow? You always wanted to be seated. >> That's why always boarding. >> I'm sorry. >> That's that's why always sitting. >> That's where you always sitting. >> I see. That's not what I had understood from your previous statement. You said you were seated there. That's where you always wanted to sit. So you're saying\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-206","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":206,"timestamp":"02:24:47","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":88266,"char_end":88700,"raw_text":"[02:24:47] that's where you always sit on a on a boat. Is that what you're saying? I just want to be sure. >> From there, I take the red on the boy sitting. >> I see. >> Would that be the place maybe a lookout might normally sit? >> Would a lookout normally be seated at the bow? >> I wasn't a lookout. I say >> I know. I heard you say that. I'm asking you. You said you know you said you know a lot about boats. I'm just asking you\n\n","display_text":"that's where you always sit on a on a boat. Is that what you're saying? I just want to be sure. >> From there, I take the red on the boy sitting. >> I see. >> Would that be the place maybe a lookout might normally sit? >> Would a lookout normally be seated at the bow? >> I wasn't a lookout. I say >> I know. I heard you say that. I'm asking you. You said you know you said you know a lot about boats. I'm just asking you\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-207","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":207,"timestamp":"02:25:16","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":88700,"char_end":89166,"raw_text":"[02:25:16] whether the bow is a place that a lookout might normally sit. That's all I want to know. From what you know about all the things you know about boats, I'm just asking you whether the bow is a place that a lookout might normally sit. >> Not there lookout normally sit. >> Very well. That's all. There's not there's nothing complicated about the questions, you know. >> Yeah. >> Any other questions? >> Mr. Butcher, I I would like to put something to you.\n\n","display_text":"whether the bow is a place that a lookout might normally sit. That's all I want to know. From what you know about all the things you know about boats, I'm just asking you whether the bow is a place that a lookout might normally sit. >> Not there lookout normally sit. >> Very well. That's all. There's not there's nothing complicated about the questions, you know. >> Yeah. >> Any other questions? >> Mr. Butcher, I I would like to put something to you.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-208","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":208,"timestamp":"02:25:51","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":89166,"char_end":89566,"raw_text":"[02:25:51] Based on all that we have observed from the time of your statement to now. Do you know the other boat ocean angel? Have you seen it before? >> Yes, I know it. >> You know it? >> Yeah. And I am putting it to you that it is my belief that if you were sitting at the bow of the boat where you claim that you were sitting. >> Yeah. >> With the lights on and the reflection of the lights from\n\n","display_text":"Based on all that we have observed from the time of your statement to now. Do you know the other boat ocean angel? Have you seen it before? >> Yes, I know it. >> You know it? >> Yeah. And I am putting it to you that it is my belief that if you were sitting at the bow of the boat where you claim that you were sitting. >> Yeah. >> With the lights on and the reflection of the lights from\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-209","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":209,"timestamp":"02:26:34","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":89566,"char_end":90042,"raw_text":"[02:26:34] Mango Tours, which is Gazola Jr. >> Yeah. >> You would have seen the boat, but you probably choose not to say anything. Is that correct? >> So, what are you saying there? You trying to tell me? >> I asked No, I asked you a question. >> You trying to tell me I see the Hello. >> Yeah. >> I ask you a question. Did you see the boat just ahead of you and choose not to say anything or you did not see the boat at all? 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Is there any witness present who wanted\n\n","display_text":"sitting, >> I can be sitting in the middle of the boat and I couldn't see. >> No, no, no. >> You were sitting at the foremost part of the boat, way ahead of everybody. >> Yeah. So the scenario there is you may have seen the boat and chose not to say anything or you did not see anything at all. Which one of them? >> I did not see anything at all. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Is there any witness present who wanted\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-B05","title":"Butcher reports lights aboard Cazorla, but not a view of the approaching boat","text":"He recalls red and green lights, cannot confirm a white light, reports seeing no approaching boat, wake or lights, and says he was suddenly in the water. 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So, >> that's right. >> Okay.\n\n","display_text":"to ask any questions? Okay. As I've told other witnesses, Mr. Butcher, if anything arises that causes us to require you to come and give further evidence, you will be informed uh to return to to us at a time and date that you may be told. That is just to let you know it's not that we expecting to call you back, but I just want you to know that if you were so informed that yes, that you have previously been warned that you may in fact be called back. Okay? So, >> that's right. >> Okay.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-212","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":212,"timestamp":"02:28:51","section":"d2p2-butcher","char_start":90969,"char_end":91403,"raw_text":"[02:28:51] >> You only have to if if there's a specific request that you return on a particular day and time. If that request is made, yes, you will have to comply. But it may be as I said that no such request will be made. Okay. You with me? Yes sir. >> Okay. You may stand down then. Our next witness is Mr. Chris Jabatis. Thank you. You say I appreciate artist do solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.\n\n","display_text":">> You only have to if if there's a specific request that you return on a particular day and time. If that request is made, yes, you will have to comply. But it may be as I said that no such request will be made. Okay. You with me? Yes sir. >> Okay. You may stand down then. Our next witness is Mr. Chris Jabatis. Thank you. You say I appreciate artist do solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-213","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":213,"timestamp":"02:30:08","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":91403,"char_end":91875,"raw_text":"[02:30:08] So help me God. Mr. Chair, commissioners, Mr. Jabatis also received a copy of his sworn statement to the police for review earlier this morning. >> Okay. Um, Mr. Jabatis, can you state your name, address, and occupation? I'm Chris Jabatis from Marad Sofra. I'm a painter. >> You remember giving a statement to the police on the 21st of July 2026? >> Yes, sir. >> About the incident which took place at No Scotia on 18th July. And were you given a copy of that\n\n","display_text":"So help me God. Mr. Chair, commissioners, Mr. Jabatis also received a copy of his sworn statement to the police for review earlier this morning. >> Okay. Um, Mr. Jabatis, can you state your name, address, and occupation? I'm Chris Jabatis from Marad Sofra. I'm a painter. >> You remember giving a statement to the police on the 21st of July 2026? >> Yes, sir. >> About the incident which took place at No Scotia on 18th July. And were you given a copy of that\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C01","title":"Chris is a definite Cazorla passenger and supplies a useful seating account","text":"Chris, surname transcribed Jabatis/Jabbatis, describes himself as a painter from Soufrière, a friend of Dwight Pascal, riding without charge. He places himself left, Dwight in the middle, and Lester Jean on the right of the seat ahead of the console; Butcher sat at the bow facing forward and Tyson was at the controls. Formal surname and the small locality in his introduction need checking. Do not merge his name with Pascal or interpret ASR Ireina Jabatis as a distinct owner. This is one witness’s seating account, not a measured deck plan.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-214","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":214,"timestamp":"02:30:59","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":91875,"char_end":92371,"raw_text":"[02:30:59] statement to read before being called upon to give evidence there? >> Yes, sir. >> And you read the statement? >> Yes, sir. And are you satisfied that it is true and correct that what you said in the statement on that day the 21st of July that you are satisfied that it is true and correct the statement that you made? >> Yes sir. >> Is there anything that you wish to add to alter to remove before you are questioned by the other commissioners? >> What was on the paper given to me?\n\n","display_text":"statement to read before being called upon to give evidence there? >> Yes, sir. >> And you read the statement? >> Yes, sir. And are you satisfied that it is true and correct that what you said in the statement on that day the 21st of July that you are satisfied that it is true and correct the statement that you made? >> Yes sir. >> Is there anything that you wish to add to alter to remove before you are questioned by the other commissioners? >> What was on the paper given to me?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-215","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":215,"timestamp":"02:31:33","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":92371,"char_end":92885,"raw_text":"[02:31:33] >> Yes. Is there anything on the paper that you read today that okay you want to correct that it wasn't this it was that or you want to change or you want to add to >> Yes. I have one thing I need to change on it. >> Yes. Tell tell us. >> Yeah. Because I didn't remember telling him there wasn't um life jackets. >> Okay. You saw somewhere >> that's when he said thing about the life jackets. But the note I have here, it says, \"As far as I can remember, no one was wearing a life jacket on the way to\n\n","display_text":">> Yes. Is there anything on the paper that you read today that okay you want to correct that it wasn't this it was that or you want to change or you want to add to >> Yes. I have one thing I need to change on it. >> Yes. Tell tell us. >> Yeah. Because I didn't remember telling him there wasn't um life jackets. >> Okay. You saw somewhere >> that's when he said thing about the life jackets. But the note I have here, it says, \"As far as I can remember, no one was wearing a life jacket on the way to\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C02","title":"Chris’s request to amend jacket sufficiency is exposed as an assumption","text":"At the start he asks to remove the police-statement clause saying he could not tell if there were enough life jackets. Later he admits he did not count them or know the number, but believes there were enough because the owner is responsible, and agrees that is an assumption. He still maintains sufficiency. Do not silently overwrite the prior uncertainty as a proven inventory. 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What are What is it about that you want to change? >> No, not this. That's the one he said like when he said I said they do not enough life jackets >> for everyone on the boat. >> All right, let me look for that. >> Yeah.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C02","title":"Chris’s request to amend jacket sufficiency is exposed as an assumption","text":"At the start he asks to remove the police-statement clause saying he could not tell if there were enough life jackets. Later he admits he did not count them or know the number, but believes there were enough because the owner is responsible, and agrees that is an assumption. He still maintains sufficiency. Do not silently overwrite the prior uncertainty as a proven inventory. The request, the commission’s recorded amendment, and the later qualification belong together.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-217","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":217,"timestamp":"02:32:41","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":93306,"char_end":93785,"raw_text":"[02:32:41] >> No, I didn't remember telling him there wasn't enough for any. >> No, he didn't say that. You said it wasn't enough. You said that you were not sure whether there were enough. That's a different thing. >> Yeah. So you you were sure that there they were enough or you were not sure that they were enough? >> They were enough. >> Yeah. For everyone. >> So when when the statement said that you said you were not sure that they were enough, you're saying you that is\n\n","display_text":">> No, I didn't remember telling him there wasn't enough for any. >> No, he didn't say that. You said it wasn't enough. You said that you were not sure whether there were enough. 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The request, the commission’s recorded amendment, and the later qualification belong together.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-218","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":218,"timestamp":"02:33:09","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":93785,"char_end":94173,"raw_text":"[02:33:09] incorrect. You never said that. >> No. >> Okay. Let's see where exactly that line is now. to see where you saw that. >> Yes. >> On the first page. >> Yeah. The first page said >> I read that just a while ago. What did I read? >> No, not that one. That one when he said moved. You want altered? >> Isa said, \"I observed that there were other life jackets, but I could not tell\n\n","display_text":"incorrect. You never said that. >> No. >> Okay. Let's see where exactly that line is now. to see where you saw that. >> Yes. >> On the first page. >> Yeah. The first page said >> I read that just a while ago. What did I read? >> No, not that one. That one when he said moved. You want altered? >> Isa said, \"I observed that there were other life jackets, but I could not tell\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-219","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":219,"timestamp":"02:34:23","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":94173,"char_end":94639,"raw_text":"[02:34:23] whether they were enough for everyone.\" >> Yes. And what do you want? You want that line removed? Are you saying? >> Yeah, because I know there was enough for everyone. >> Okay. And is that something you now know or you always knew that they were? >> I now know when I read it. >> No, but you always knew that they were enough. >> Yeah. >> Sorry, Ch. Just for the record, what page is this? What page of yours? It's >> page one. pitch one. Okay, thanks.\n\n","display_text":"whether they were enough for everyone.\" >> Yes. And what do you want? You want that line removed? Are you saying? >> Yeah, because I know there was enough for everyone. >> Okay. And is that something you now know or you always knew that they were? >> I now know when I read it. >> No, but you always knew that they were enough. >> Yeah. >> Sorry, Ch. Just for the record, what page is this? What page of yours? It's >> page one. pitch one. Okay, thanks.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C02","title":"Chris’s request to amend jacket sufficiency is exposed as an assumption","text":"At the start he asks to remove the police-statement clause saying he could not tell if there were enough life jackets. Later he admits he did not count them or know the number, but believes there were enough because the owner is responsible, and agrees that is an assumption. 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You asking for this to be deleted because you're saying that is not what\n\n","display_text":"So they he says I observed that there were other life jackets but I could not tell whether there were enough for everyone. So it is correct that you observed that there were other life jackets. >> Yeah. >> But it is not correct that you did not you could not tell whether there were enough for everyone. >> Yeah. So you would ask that that part of the statement but I could not tell whether there was enough for everyone. You asking for this to be deleted because you're saying that is not what\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C02","title":"Chris’s request to amend jacket sufficiency is exposed as an assumption","text":"At the start he asks to remove the police-statement clause saying he could not tell if there were enough life jackets. Later he admits he did not count them or know the number, but believes there were enough because the owner is responsible, and agrees that is an assumption. He still maintains sufficiency. Do not silently overwrite the prior uncertainty as a proven inventory. 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It is duly noted that the witness requests that the portion of his statement, his written statement contained on page one where he said, \"I observed that there were other life jackets, but I could not tell whether there were enough for everyone that the part of the sentence beginning but I will be uh deleted so that that line will read I observe that there were other life jackets. It's full stop. >> Yeah,\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C02","title":"Chris’s request to amend jacket sufficiency is exposed as an assumption","text":"At the start he asks to remove the police-statement clause saying he could not tell if there were enough life jackets. Later he admits he did not count them or know the number, but believes there were enough because the owner is responsible, and agrees that is an assumption. 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Batis Krishna Batis. We have read through your statement but I took something very early from what you said. So I want to ask you are you very familiar with boat rides, night boat rides? Have you been out on boat rides before? Are you very familiar with them? >> Yeah, I've been on boat rides before but not like mango boat and them carnival sailings.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-223","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":223,"timestamp":"02:37:00","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":96060,"char_end":96454,"raw_text":"[02:37:00] >> So bigger boats. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, was that the first time or rather the first time you boarded a small boat like that on a boat ride? No. No. In your statement, page one to the bottom, the last sentence, you said the boat was moving moving fast but not at full speed. Can you explain that to us? >> Yeah, because that's when when um Ireina Jabatis told him to um calm down.\n\n","display_text":">> So bigger boats. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, was that the first time or rather the first time you boarded a small boat like that on a boat ride? No. No. In your statement, page one to the bottom, the last sentence, you said the boat was moving moving fast but not at full speed. Can you explain that to us? >> Yeah, because that's when when um Ireina Jabatis told him to um calm down.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-224","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":224,"timestamp":"02:37:46","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":96454,"char_end":96845,"raw_text":"[02:37:46] To calm down in terms of the speed or what? >> Yeah. The speed. >> The speed. And since you've been on other small boats before, were you comfortable with the speed at which the boat was traveling at the time when they asked him to come down? >> Yes, I was comfortable. >> Before or after? >> No, whilst it whilst it was going. >> Okay. >> Whilst he was driving. >> But you said\n\n","display_text":"To calm down in terms of the speed or what? >> Yeah. The speed. >> The speed. And since you've been on other small boats before, were you comfortable with the speed at which the boat was traveling at the time when they asked him to come down? >> Yes, I was comfortable. >> Before or after? >> No, whilst it whilst it was going. >> Okay. >> Whilst he was driving. >> But you said\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-225","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":225,"timestamp":"02:38:16","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":96845,"char_end":97321,"raw_text":"[02:38:16] that Dwight as to Dwight asked Tyson to take it easy. So I know he was not traveling at full speed. You further went on said to say sorry that the sea was a bit rough and the wind was strong. It was dark and I could not see any other lights on the water at that point and I felt a big impact and a loud noise. Yeah, >> that was at the point I would believe was at >> Yeah. when the collusion happened. >> So, can you guide us guide us a little bit between Grizzly\n\n","display_text":"that Dwight as to Dwight asked Tyson to take it easy. So I know he was not traveling at full speed. You further went on said to say sorry that the sea was a bit rough and the wind was strong. It was dark and I could not see any other lights on the water at that point and I felt a big impact and a loud noise. Yeah, >> that was at the point I would believe was at >> Yeah. when the collusion happened. >> So, can you guide us guide us a little bit between Grizzly\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-226","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":226,"timestamp":"02:39:06","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":97321,"char_end":97672,"raw_text":"[02:39:06] and Asco? Tell us what happened >> like what happened >> between Gile >> when we left the event. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> An approximate time. Do you remember what time? >> Not really. Okay. Was there anything that brought that caught your attention upon departure? A conversation with between the captain and the persons? No. The owner of the\n\n","display_text":"and Asco? Tell us what happened >> like what happened >> between Gile >> when we left the event. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> An approximate time. Do you remember what time? >> Not really. Okay. Was there anything that brought that caught your attention upon departure? A conversation with between the captain and the persons? No. The owner of the\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-227","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":227,"timestamp":"02:39:32","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":97672,"char_end":98024,"raw_text":"[02:39:32] vessel and the person? >> No. >> Did you think that it was necessary to have a life jacket or some kind of safety device? >> Yes, but at this point, I didn't really need one. >> Can you swim? >> Yes, >> you can. So guide us then you have left Gilelay and you're heading to >> to Sufra >> to Sufra. >> Yeah. So whilst Tyson the boat captain\n\n","display_text":"vessel and the person? >> No. >> Did you think that it was necessary to have a life jacket or some kind of safety device? >> Yes, but at this point, I didn't really need one. >> Can you swim? >> Yes, >> you can. So guide us then you have left Gilelay and you're heading to >> to Sufra >> to Sufra. >> Yeah. So whilst Tyson the boat captain\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-228","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":228,"timestamp":"02:40:02","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":98024,"char_end":98453,"raw_text":"[02:40:02] is driving I could say like about 10 minutes that's when Ireina's end up stopping telling him to take it easy come now. So he listen and he take it easy. Then we started traveling going then you could say about two three minutes then Taylor's boyfriend askked for the life jacket. >> Okay. So just stop there the 10 minutes from Gile and he asked the owner as the captain to slow down. >> Yeah. >> You familiar left.\n\n","display_text":"is driving I could say like about 10 minutes that's when Ireina's end up stopping telling him to take it easy come now. So he listen and he take it easy. Then we started traveling going then you could say about two three minutes then Taylor's boyfriend askked for the life jacket. >> Okay. So just stop there the 10 minutes from Gile and he asked the owner as the captain to slow down. >> Yeah. >> You familiar left.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-229","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":229,"timestamp":"02:40:38","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":98453,"char_end":98863,"raw_text":"[02:40:38] >> You familiar with the coastline? >> No. Do you know where Wind Jama is? >> No. >> You know where the Castra's Harour is? >> Yes. >> So at the time he asked him to slow down, had that vessel that you were on pass the cast harbor or it had not crossed? >> No, I'm not too sure cuz it was dark. I couldn't see. >> Um was it Do you know where H oil is? Bai. >> No, we don't cross there. >> Not yet.\n\n","display_text":">> You familiar with the coastline? >> No. Do you know where Wind Jama is? >> No. >> You know where the Castra's Harour is? >> Yes. >> So at the time he asked him to slow down, had that vessel that you were on pass the cast harbor or it had not crossed? >> No, I'm not too sure cuz it was dark. I couldn't see. >> Um was it Do you know where H oil is? Bai. >> No, we don't cross there. >> Not yet.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-230","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":230,"timestamp":"02:41:08","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":98863,"char_end":99379,"raw_text":"[02:41:08] >> Sandals. You know where sandals is after the cast harbor there's sandals then there is um sandals l that is >> so was it by sandals l not yet >> probably it could be >> or was it further up >> like I tell I'm not really sure >> you said about 10 minutes >> the reason I'm asking you that question is that the word the name windjama outside win jama came into conversation. So we're trying to establish did it take you 10 minutes between Gili and Winjama or were you further down that's why I'm asking\n\n","display_text":">> Sandals. You know where sandals is after the cast harbor there's sandals then there is um sandals l that is >> so was it by sandals l not yet >> probably it could be >> or was it further up >> like I tell I'm not really sure >> you said about 10 minutes >> the reason I'm asking you that question is that the word the name windjama outside win jama came into conversation. So we're trying to establish did it take you 10 minutes between Gili and Winjama or were you further down that's why I'm asking\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-231","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":231,"timestamp":"02:41:54","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":99379,"char_end":99791,"raw_text":"[02:41:54] >> so if you can give me a little idea >> I could say like a little further probably further win jama >> but not past the cast's harbor >> no >> okay thank you so after that how long did it take you from that point so we would say of Vij. >> Yeah. >> VG airport outside. Okay. Or Sandals Hion. >> You know that area? VG airport. Sand Hian south of Win Jam. >> I'm not really good if um >> that area.\n\n","display_text":">> so if you can give me a little idea >> I could say like a little further probably further win jama >> but not past the cast's harbor >> no >> okay thank you so after that how long did it take you from that point so we would say of Vij. >> Yeah. >> VG airport outside. Okay. Or Sandals Hion. >> You know that area? VG airport. Sand Hian south of Win Jam. >> I'm not really good if um >> that area.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-232","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":232,"timestamp":"02:42:29","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":99791,"char_end":100238,"raw_text":"[02:42:29] >> That area. Yeah. >> But you had not crossed the Cast Harbor. North the red and green flashing and then you see the inside of the harbor. You had not passed it. >> I don't think so. >> No. Thank you. So, how long did it take that vessel that you were on from that area to the point where the gentle the the lady asked for the life jacket? >> That's mean when Ireina stopped the boat >> for the life jacket. Yes. >> I'm not too sure.\n\n","display_text":">> That area. Yeah. >> But you had not crossed the Cast Harbor. North the red and green flashing and then you see the inside of the harbor. You had not passed it. >> I don't think so. >> No. Thank you. So, how long did it take that vessel that you were on from that area to the point where the gentle the the lady asked for the life jacket? >> That's mean when Ireina stopped the boat >> for the life jacket. Yes. >> I'm not too sure.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-233","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":233,"timestamp":"02:43:07","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":100238,"char_end":100650,"raw_text":"[02:43:07] estimation maybe 20 minutes or anything just roughly you don't have to be precise >> probably five >> five minutes and how long after the life jacket was there an impact the impact the impact >> that's when you put the life jacket on I could say about >> probably 5 10 >> 10 >> so it would be >> sorry you said 10 you said Five. Which one is it? Five. Is it 10 or is it five? >> Probably five. Five.\n\n","display_text":"estimation maybe 20 minutes or anything just roughly you don't have to be precise >> probably five >> five minutes and how long after the life jacket was there an impact the impact the impact >> that's when you put the life jacket on I could say about >> probably 5 10 >> 10 >> so it would be >> sorry you said 10 you said Five. Which one is it? Five. Is it 10 or is it five? >> Probably five. Five.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-234","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":234,"timestamp":"02:43:40","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":100650,"char_end":101106,"raw_text":"[02:43:40] >> Five. >> Five minutes. Yeah. So, in your judgment, do you believe that that vessel may have taken how much time? Just give me a rough idea. From grossly to the point of the impact because we're walking through the steps. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not too sure about the time it take. That's >> your own your own estimation because you gave 10 minutes after. Yes. When you left the event totally. >> Yeah. >> So you're heading south. You said about\n\n","display_text":">> Five. >> Five minutes. Yeah. So, in your judgment, do you believe that that vessel may have taken how much time? Just give me a rough idea. From grossly to the point of the impact because we're walking through the steps. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm not too sure about the time it take. That's >> your own your own estimation because you gave 10 minutes after. Yes. When you left the event totally. >> Yeah. >> So you're heading south. You said about\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-235","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":235,"timestamp":"02:44:18","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":101106,"char_end":101511,"raw_text":"[02:44:18] 10 minutes after >> he asked him to slow down which he did. >> Yeah. >> Then he continued. >> Yeah. >> And then after a while he somebody >> Yeah. ask for the life >> life jacket which is another period of time. >> Yeah. >> Would you be safe? Would it be safe to say at least a 10 to 15 minutes between the time he slow down and the time for the jacket? 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When Tyson we stopped when Tyson went back that's when he asked for the life jacket like 5 minutes >> right >> when we start going back after Irene has told him to slow down >> and then there was the impact. >> Yes. >> Did you see any other vessel going down the street from Gile to Suare? >> No. >> Ahead of you, beside you, to the stern\n\n","display_text":"guy put the live slow down. When we left it we said about 5 minutes. Yeah. When Tyson we stopped when Tyson went back that's when he asked for the life jacket like 5 minutes >> right >> when we start going back after Irene has told him to slow down >> and then there was the impact. >> Yes. >> Did you see any other vessel going down the street from Gile to Suare? >> No. >> Ahead of you, beside you, to the stern\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-237","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":237,"timestamp":"02:45:21","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":101937,"char_end":102370,"raw_text":"[02:45:21] or to the back of you? >> No. So you were the only vessel heading down to Sufre at that time? >> Yes sir. >> Do you know if there were any other vessel from Sufre attending the fet that may have left just after you or just before you? >> No, >> there were no others. Okay. >> You don't not know. >> You got pardon? >> You do not know or there were none >> that left before us be? >> You're right. The question is, do you\n\n","display_text":"or to the back of you? >> No. So you were the only vessel heading down to Sufre at that time? >> Yes sir. >> Do you know if there were any other vessel from Sufre attending the fet that may have left just after you or just before you? >> No, >> there were no others. Okay. >> You don't not know. >> You got pardon? >> You do not know or there were none >> that left before us be? >> You're right. The question is, do you\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-238","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":238,"timestamp":"02:45:52","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":102370,"char_end":102834,"raw_text":"[02:45:52] know whether there was any vessel that that were from the Sufra area that may have left slightly before you together with you or after you? Do you know or you say no? None with no to what? >> No to when we left is only us that left the beach. >> Okay. Thank you. So at the point of the bang, where was Tyson Hippolit? >> Tyson was still behind him. >> He was the person driving. >> Yeah, the captain. >> Where was Dwight Pascal, the owner of the boat?\n\n","display_text":"know whether there was any vessel that that were from the Sufra area that may have left slightly before you together with you or after you? Do you know or you say no? None with no to what? >> No to when we left is only us that left the beach. >> Okay. Thank you. So at the point of the bang, where was Tyson Hippolit? >> Tyson was still behind him. >> He was the person driving. >> Yeah, the captain. >> Where was Dwight Pascal, the owner of the boat?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C01","title":"Chris is a definite Cazorla passenger and supplies a useful seating account","text":"Chris, surname transcribed Jabatis/Jabbatis, describes himself as a painter from Soufrière, a friend of Dwight Pascal, riding without charge. He places himself left, Dwight in the middle, and Lester Jean on the right of the seat ahead of the console; Butcher sat at the bow facing forward and Tyson was at the controls. 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Like I'm on the left, Dwight in the middle, and Lester Jean on the right. >> Okay. But which seat ahead of the in front of the captain. >> The one, right? So, we say >> in front of the console. Yeah. >> Where was this um gentleman Janelle Ba? >> He was in the bow. >> In the bow of the boat.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C01","title":"Chris is a definite Cazorla passenger and supplies a useful seating account","text":"Chris, surname transcribed Jabatis/Jabbatis, describes himself as a painter from Soufrière, a friend of Dwight Pascal, riding without charge. He places himself left, Dwight in the middle, and Lester Jean on the right of the seat ahead of the console; Butcher sat at the bow facing forward and Tyson was at the controls. Formal surname and the small locality in his introduction need checking. 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When there was a splash, you would have seen, if you were looking at the left side, you would have seen just a reflection or with the >> the splash, you would have seen a little red or a little green. >> Not too sure. >> So, if there's if the lights are on, >> yeah, >> I'm telling you, it will happen. >> Yes. >> When there's a a dip, as long as there\n\n","display_text":"which means occasionally when there's a bit choppy, >> a bit choppy. >> Yeah. When there was a splash, you would have seen, if you were looking at the left side, you would have seen just a reflection or with the >> the splash, you would have seen a little red or a little green. >> Not too sure. >> So, if there's if the lights are on, >> yeah, >> I'm telling you, it will happen. >> Yes. >> When there's a a dip, as long as there\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-242","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":242,"timestamp":"02:47:56","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":104128,"char_end":104514,"raw_text":"[02:47:56] is a splash and the light is on, you would have seen it in the the splash. Just the reflection and then >> Yeah. >> Did you see anything of the s? >> No. >> So, are you certain that the lights were on? >> Yes, definitely. >> Okay. When the boat had that impact, what did you do after the impact? >> Well, I stayed the same place. When the impact happened, I stayed the same\n\n","display_text":"is a splash and the light is on, you would have seen it in the the splash. Just the reflection and then >> Yeah. >> Did you see anything of the s? >> No. >> So, are you certain that the lights were on? >> Yes, definitely. >> Okay. When the boat had that impact, what did you do after the impact? >> Well, I stayed the same place. When the impact happened, I stayed the same\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-243","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":243,"timestamp":"02:48:23","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":104514,"char_end":104935,"raw_text":"[02:48:23] place. >> Okay. >> I never left the boat. The three of us, we never left the boat. and the captain. We all first stayed on the boat. That's when when we had the impact, a loud noise. Then I heard the engine end up doing a song too. Loud song. >> The engine. >> Yeah. That's when the captain trying to stop the engine. >> Okay. Slow down. Slow down. Let's go back two seconds. So you said there was an impact.\n\n","display_text":"place. >> Okay. >> I never left the boat. The three of us, we never left the boat. and the captain. We all first stayed on the boat. That's when when we had the impact, a loud noise. Then I heard the engine end up doing a song too. Loud song. >> The engine. >> Yeah. That's when the captain trying to stop the engine. >> Okay. Slow down. Slow down. Let's go back two seconds. 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Do not merge his name with Pascal or interpret ASR Ireina Jabatis as a distinct owner. This is one witness’s seating account, not a measured deck plan.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-250","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":250,"timestamp":"02:52:25","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":107448,"char_end":107840,"raw_text":"[02:52:25] >> Darl. Did you see whether Tyson consumed any alcohol at the show? >> No. >> Did you observe whether the captain was distracted during the journey to Sufare? >> No. >> No, you did not observe. >> No. In your previous travels on the mango tang the mango boats, do you remember whether the captain communicated safety protocols to travelers? >> Yes. >> How often um would you say\n\n","display_text":">> Darl. Did you see whether Tyson consumed any alcohol at the show? >> No. >> Did you observe whether the captain was distracted during the journey to Sufare? >> No. >> No, you did not observe. >> No. In your previous travels on the mango tang the mango boats, do you remember whether the captain communicated safety protocols to travelers? >> Yes. >> How often um would you say\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-251","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":251,"timestamp":"02:53:16","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":107840,"char_end":108268,"raw_text":"[02:53:16] you traveled on it and how often would you say the safety procedures were communicated to passengers? Yeah, I would say well I know it's not much. Well, I travel on it like about four times but that night he didn't give no safety briefing. >> So your statement you said many times but now you're saying only about four times. >> Four times is many. >> Okay. How many times did Dwight tell Tyson to reduce his speed?\n\n","display_text":"you traveled on it and how often would you say the safety procedures were communicated to passengers? Yeah, I would say well I know it's not much. Well, I travel on it like about four times but that night he didn't give no safety briefing. >> So your statement you said many times but now you're saying only about four times. >> Four times is many. >> Okay. How many times did Dwight tell Tyson to reduce his speed?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-252","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":252,"timestamp":"02:54:04","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":108268,"char_end":108640,"raw_text":"[02:54:04] >> Just once. >> And did Tyson reduce his speed immediately? >> Immediately. >> Beg your pardon? >> Yes, immediately. Did anyone else express concern about the speed? >> No. >> And you did state that you saw a red light, a green light, and a bright white light. Yes. >> Yes. That's on board our boat. >> And was it switched on when you all departed from Gile?\n\n","display_text":">> Just once. >> And did Tyson reduce his speed immediately? >> Immediately. >> Beg your pardon? >> Yes, immediately. Did anyone else express concern about the speed? >> No. >> And you did state that you saw a red light, a green light, and a bright white light. Yes. >> Yes. That's on board our boat. >> And was it switched on when you all departed from Gile?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-253","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":253,"timestamp":"02:54:38","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":108640,"char_end":109118,"raw_text":"[02:54:38] >> Yes. >> And did it remain on during the throughout the entire journey? >> Yeah, it never went off. And did you observe any other lights in the water before the collision apart from the lights on your boat? >> No. >> You stated that the vessel was moving fast but not at full speed. How did you come to the conclusion that the vessel was not traveling at full speed? >> Like I tell you, I've been on it. You have been on it when it was traveling on at full speed.\n\n","display_text":">> Yes. >> And did it remain on during the throughout the entire journey? >> Yeah, it never went off. And did you observe any other lights in the water before the collision apart from the lights on your boat? >> No. >> You stated that the vessel was moving fast but not at full speed. How did you come to the conclusion that the vessel was not traveling at full speed? >> Like I tell you, I've been on it. You have been on it when it was traveling on at full speed.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-254","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":254,"timestamp":"02:55:20","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":109118,"char_end":109480,"raw_text":"[02:55:20] >> Yes. Did you observe who was maintaining a lookout? >> Yes. Jon Butcher. And did you hear any warnings before the collision? >> No. >> Did you notice the vessel slowing down or changing its direction immediately before the impact? >> No. Did you see any other vessels in the water before the impact? >> No. >> And did you see any safety equipment\n\n","display_text":">> Yes. Did you observe who was maintaining a lookout? >> Yes. Jon Butcher. And did you hear any warnings before the collision? >> No. >> Did you notice the vessel slowing down or changing its direction immediately before the impact? >> No. Did you see any other vessels in the water before the impact? >> No. >> And did you see any safety equipment\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C07","title":"The asserted lookout role is ultimately based on seating alone","text":"Chris first names Butcher as lookout, briefly agrees when challenged that this could be incorrect, later insists there was a lookout, and finally confirms to the chair that he inferred the role because Butcher sat at the bow. The correct synthesis is a disputed/unverified assignment, not a finding that there definitely was or definitely was not an effective lookout.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}]},{"id":"D2P2-255","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":255,"timestamp":"02:56:18","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":109480,"char_end":109963,"raw_text":"[02:56:18] being used during the rescue? >> No. And did you observe that whether there were any attempts by persons operating your vessel to avoid the collision? >> No. And in your observation and based on the frequency that you said you travel on boats, would you say that the vessel was being operated safely given the prevailing weather conditions? >> Yes, he handled it safely. >> Even if he did not offer life jackets to anybody and he did not go through the safety protocols.\n\n","display_text":"being used during the rescue? >> No. And did you observe that whether there were any attempts by persons operating your vessel to avoid the collision? >> No. And in your observation and based on the frequency that you said you travel on boats, would you say that the vessel was being operated safely given the prevailing weather conditions? >> Yes, he handled it safely. >> Even if he did not offer life jackets to anybody and he did not go through the safety protocols.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-256","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":256,"timestamp":"02:57:16","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":109963,"char_end":110356,"raw_text":"[02:57:16] >> Yes. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Mr. Chair for you, if I may refresh the memory of Mr. Jabatis, I think you would be very very aware that Mr. Butcher said repeatedly a few minutes ago he was not a lookout. Yes, >> he was not. >> Yes, >> he was just sitting there. So, you would agree with us that there was no lookout on the vessel >> because the person apparently that is\n\n","display_text":">> Yes. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Mr. Chair for you, if I may refresh the memory of Mr. Jabatis, I think you would be very very aware that Mr. Butcher said repeatedly a few minutes ago he was not a lookout. Yes, >> he was not. >> Yes, >> he was just sitting there. So, you would agree with us that there was no lookout on the vessel >> because the person apparently that is\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C07","title":"The asserted lookout role is ultimately based on seating alone","text":"Chris first names Butcher as lookout, briefly agrees when challenged that this could be incorrect, later insists there was a lookout, and finally confirms to the chair that he inferred the role because Butcher sat at the bow. 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He was there. >> But the position he seated on the boat, that's exactly where the lookout would sit. >> No. No, the fact that I am sitting in the house at this time does not mean that I'm a member of the parliament or of the cabinet of ministers. >> Isn't that correct? >> Yeah. >> We are here on commission's business. So to to to\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C07","title":"The asserted lookout role is ultimately based on seating alone","text":"Chris first names Butcher as lookout, briefly agrees when challenged that this could be incorrect, later insists there was a lookout, and finally confirms to the chair that he inferred the role because Butcher sat at the bow. 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Because he said repeatedly in his own words, he was not a lookout. So to tell the commission that he was a lookout, you would be incorrect. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Good afternoon, Mr. Jabatis. >> Yeah. Good afternoon. How are you today? >> Yeah, I'm great. >> Okay. I'm going to ask you a few\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C07","title":"The asserted lookout role is ultimately based on seating alone","text":"Chris first names Butcher as lookout, briefly agrees when challenged that this could be incorrect, later insists there was a lookout, and finally confirms to the chair that he inferred the role because Butcher sat at the bow. 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Um that's both day and night. Well, whenever there are shoes. >> So, I'm assuming again the shows both day and night. >> Yes. Um, what's the latest you've used the service of using a a vessel to go to shows? What's the latest\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-260","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":260,"timestamp":"03:00:00","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":111668,"char_end":112059,"raw_text":"[03:00:00] you've been back to Sufre on a boat? >> 2:00 a.m. >> 2:00 a.m. in the morning. And on these boat rides or these transportation times, how many times have you experienced a safety briefing? >> Not really. >> Say that again. >> Not really. >> Not really. Meaning never. >> Yeah. No. And from your experience, how many >> how many times you've done these boat rides till 2:00 a.m.?\n\n","display_text":"you've been back to Sufre on a boat? >> 2:00 a.m. >> 2:00 a.m. in the morning. And on these boat rides or these transportation times, how many times have you experienced a safety briefing? >> Not really. >> Say that again. >> Not really. >> Not really. Meaning never. >> Yeah. No. And from your experience, how many >> how many times you've done these boat rides till 2:00 a.m.?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-261","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":261,"timestamp":"03:00:41","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":112059,"char_end":112420,"raw_text":"[03:00:41] >> Say a couple times. >> 10, 20, 30. >> Not so much. >> About 15? >> No, probably five. >> Five. Okay. So, you've personally around five times been on a vessel, going to shows and come back late with absolutely no safety briefings? That's correct. >> Yes. >> And what about the use of life jackets? >> No. >> Uh, and that's just for you or for me,\n\n","display_text":">> Say a couple times. >> 10, 20, 30. >> Not so much. >> About 15? >> No, probably five. >> Five. Okay. So, you've personally around five times been on a vessel, going to shows and come back late with absolutely no safety briefings? That's correct. >> Yes. >> And what about the use of life jackets? >> No. >> Uh, and that's just for you or for me,\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-262","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":262,"timestamp":"03:01:14","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":112420,"char_end":112833,"raw_text":"[03:01:14] >> but you've seen other persons wore >> them on these rides with life jackets. >> Yes. And in the five times that you've experienced, how many people had life jackets? >> Probably one. Not so I not so everybody. Probably one of them. >> One out of 10. 14 or how many people? >> Yeah, probably one out of 10. >> One out of 10. Um, you mentioned also that you're very familiar with the vessel. >> Yes.\n\n","display_text":">> but you've seen other persons wore >> them on these rides with life jackets. >> Yes. And in the five times that you've experienced, how many people had life jackets? >> Probably one. Not so I not so everybody. Probably one of them. >> One out of 10. 14 or how many people? >> Yeah, probably one out of 10. >> One out of 10. Um, you mentioned also that you're very familiar with the vessel. >> Yes.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-263","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":263,"timestamp":"03:01:58","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":112833,"char_end":113232,"raw_text":"[03:01:58] >> How many times have you been out with Tyson as the captain of that boat? >> Just on that day. >> Just on that day in question. And you were at the show with Tyson? >> No. Tyson stayed on the vessel. >> Yes. >> Waiting for So at any time during the voyage, did you notice the Tyson, the captain, fatigued, tired, or under the influence? >> No. >> So as far as you're concerned, he was\n\n","display_text":">> How many times have you been out with Tyson as the captain of that boat? >> Just on that day. >> Just on that day in question. And you were at the show with Tyson? >> No. Tyson stayed on the vessel. >> Yes. >> Waiting for So at any time during the voyage, did you notice the Tyson, the captain, fatigued, tired, or under the influence? >> No. >> So as far as you're concerned, he was\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-264","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":264,"timestamp":"03:02:35","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":113232,"char_end":113607,"raw_text":"[03:02:35] always alert. >> Yeah, he was suitable for the job. When you say suitable for the job, what do you >> Yeah. He was the right person to captain. >> The right person. >> Yeah. >> For that day or just the boat? >> For that day. In your statement you mentioned the boat was moving fast but not at full speed. And a little lower down. You say the sea was a bit rough.\n\n","display_text":"always alert. >> Yeah, he was suitable for the job. When you say suitable for the job, what do you >> Yeah. He was the right person to captain. >> The right person. >> Yeah. >> For that day or just the boat? >> For that day. In your statement you mentioned the boat was moving fast but not at full speed. And a little lower down. You say the sea was a bit rough.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-265","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":265,"timestamp":"03:03:04","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":113607,"char_end":113970,"raw_text":"[03:03:04] >> Yeah. A bit choppy. Yeah. >> A bit choppy. So, I'm trying to marry the two. Moving fast, but not at full speed. But the sea a bit rough, >> choppy. Yeah. >> Well, you say the sea was a bit rough and the wind was strong and it was very dark. So, under these conditions you've described, would you still say that you felt safe on the vessel? >> Yes.\n\n","display_text":">> Yeah. A bit choppy. Yeah. >> A bit choppy. So, I'm trying to marry the two. Moving fast, but not at full speed. But the sea a bit rough, >> choppy. Yeah. >> Well, you say the sea was a bit rough and the wind was strong and it was very dark. So, under these conditions you've described, would you still say that you felt safe on the vessel? >> Yes.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-266","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":266,"timestamp":"03:03:40","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":113970,"char_end":114352,"raw_text":"[03:03:40] And and you stick by that. >> Yes. And could you describe the vessel for want of a better word? The behavior. How was the vessel operating in that weather? Was it >> The vessel was stable. >> Very stable. >> Yes. So, I'm going to move to the the point of impact. You see here, I felt a big impact accompanied by a loud crashing noise. Prior to the impact, was the sound\n\n","display_text":"And and you stick by that. >> Yes. And could you describe the vessel for want of a better word? The behavior. How was the vessel operating in that weather? Was it >> The vessel was stable. >> Very stable. >> Yes. So, I'm going to move to the the point of impact. You see here, I felt a big impact accompanied by a loud crashing noise. Prior to the impact, was the sound\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-267","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":267,"timestamp":"03:04:28","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":114352,"char_end":114728,"raw_text":"[03:04:28] system on the boat on? >> No. So that there was no music. >> No music >> on the boat. >> And during the voyage, did at any one point in time, did you notice or see the captain use the VHF? >> The VHM is be more specific. >> The VHF, the radio. >> No. So when you left Rodney Bay, at no time did you observe Tyson the captain speaking to let's say BG Lighthouse by\n\n","display_text":"system on the boat on? >> No. So that there was no music. >> No music >> on the boat. >> And during the voyage, did at any one point in time, did you notice or see the captain use the VHF? >> The VHM is be more specific. >> The VHF, the radio. >> No. So when you left Rodney Bay, at no time did you observe Tyson the captain speaking to let's say BG Lighthouse by\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-268","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":268,"timestamp":"03:05:06","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":114728,"char_end":115095,"raw_text":"[03:05:06] the BHF? >> No. >> So there was no communication with the BHF? >> No. So, do you recall prior to the impact observing anything around you? >> Take a moment to >> Yeah, like people or boats? Um, >> boats, people, anything out of the ordinary that sticks out. >> No, the only thing around me was the people on the boat with me when the impact happened. Uh,\n\n","display_text":"the BHF? >> No. >> So there was no communication with the BHF? >> No. So, do you recall prior to the impact observing anything around you? >> Take a moment to >> Yeah, like people or boats? Um, >> boats, people, anything out of the ordinary that sticks out. >> No, the only thing around me was the people on the boat with me when the impact happened. Uh,\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-269","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":269,"timestamp":"03:05:43","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":115095,"char_end":115512,"raw_text":"[03:05:43] >> so there were no lights around? >> No. So you would say it was according to you it was very dark >> at that moment. Okay that's it for now. Yeah. >> How many life jackets were on that boat? I can't tell you that boat. >> What's that? >> I can't tell you. >> You cannot tell me how many life jackets were on the boat. >> I don't know. But I don't walk on the boat. >> How many persons were on the boat?\n\n","display_text":">> so there were no lights around? >> No. So you would say it was according to you it was very dark >> at that moment. Okay that's it for now. Yeah. >> How many life jackets were on that boat? I can't tell you that boat. >> What's that? >> I can't tell you. >> You cannot tell me how many life jackets were on the boat. >> I don't know. But I don't walk on the boat. >> How many persons were on the boat?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C02","title":"Chris’s request to amend jacket sufficiency is exposed as an assumption","text":"At the start he asks to remove the police-statement clause saying he could not tell if there were enough life jackets. Later he admits he did not count them or know the number, but believes there were enough because the owner is responsible, and agrees that is an assumption. He still maintains sufficiency. Do not silently overwrite the prior uncertainty as a proven inventory. 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I I believe\n\n","display_text":"ahead in the cabin. >> Right. >> So I could see. >> I'm I'm asking you how many were there? >> I couldn't tell you how many were there. I don't know. >> And how do you know that they were sufficient for everybody on the boat? >> Because I just know. >> Cuz you just know. >> Yeah. But it is what you said to the police would be a more true statement that there were all their life jackets but you you don't know whether they were sufficient for everybody. I I believe\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C02","title":"Chris’s request to amend jacket sufficiency is exposed as an assumption","text":"At the start he asks to remove the police-statement clause saying he could not tell if there were enough life jackets. 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I'm just reminding you that four persons lost their lives in that incident. I'm also reminding you that the lives of many other persons have been affected including some of your friends in that incident. I'm also reminding you that the families of the deceased are still living\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"NOTE-D2P2-C02","title":"Chris’s request to amend jacket sufficiency is exposed as an assumption","text":"At the start he asks to remove the police-statement clause saying he could not tell if there were enough life jackets. Later he admits he did not count them or know the number, but believes there were enough because the owner is responsible, and agrees that is an assumption. He still maintains sufficiency. Do not silently overwrite the prior uncertainty as a proven inventory. 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So while it may be necessary on your part or any other person's part to change statements or to forget what they said or make adjustments as they may deem necessary at this time. The most critical part of us being here is that four persons lost their lives in this. >> Yes, I know. >> And our duty here, as Mr. Chairman have said, is to ensure that we do what we must do to ensure that this does not happen again. But my only\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-278","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":278,"timestamp":"03:11:12","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":119193,"char_end":119737,"raw_text":"[03:11:12] s point in terms of your evidence before the commission at this time is that I believe you knew that there was no lookout on the boat. But maybe you will not help the commission or the general public or the St. Lucia by large or the world in identifying that gap so that we can solve that issue. I believe you owe it to us as everybody in this room and everybody around the world because you knew that Mvado was not a lookout. You may believe that the owner of the vessel or the captain was responsible enough, but things sometimes\n\n","display_text":"s point in terms of your evidence before the commission at this time is that I believe you knew that there was no lookout on the boat. But maybe you will not help the commission or the general public or the St. Lucia by large or the world in identifying that gap so that we can solve that issue. I believe you owe it to us as everybody in this room and everybody around the world because you knew that Mvado was not a lookout. 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Was this the first time you ever rode you ever went on a boat captain by by Tyson? >> Yes. >> But you've you've driven on the on um Kazola several times before. >> Yes. >> And there was always a different person apart from Tyson who was captain. >> Not different, just Darl. Just Darl. Darren or Darl? Sorry. >> Darl. >> Darren. D.\n\n","display_text":"was the lookout. >> Yeah. Was this the first time you ever rode you ever went on a boat captain by by Tyson? >> Yes. >> But you've you've driven on the on um Kazola several times before. >> Yes. >> And there was always a different person apart from Tyson who was captain. >> Not different, just Darl. Just Darl. Darren or Darl? Sorry. >> Darl. >> Darren. 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Very well. >> So he would have been the the captain the other times you traveled on on Kaza Jr. >> Yes sir. and your feeling of safety. Therefore, when Tyson piloted the boat, it seemed that you never you never captain you never on the boat when he was captain. Why would you say that you felt safe with somebody who was captain in the boat that you never went on? You never went on a boat captain by him before?\n\n","display_text":">> Darl. D A R E N. >> E N. Very well. >> So he would have been the the captain the other times you traveled on on Kaza Jr. >> Yes sir. and your feeling of safety. Therefore, when Tyson piloted the boat, it seemed that you never you never captain you never on the boat when he was captain. Why would you say that you felt safe with somebody who was captain in the boat that you never went on? You never went on a boat captain by him before?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-283","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":283,"timestamp":"03:15:13","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":121535,"char_end":121953,"raw_text":"[03:15:13] >> Just the way Just the way it felt. >> Just the way. Sorry. >> Just the way it was captain in Goa. >> Even though the owner once had to tell him to take it easy. >> Even though the owner had to tell him at one time to take it easy. >> Yes. And um you're saying that you had never seen persons with life jackets probably one person out of 10. You mean on any boat at all or do you mean only on Kazula Jr.\n\n","display_text":">> Just the way Just the way it felt. >> Just the way. Sorry. >> Just the way it was captain in Goa. >> Even though the owner once had to tell him to take it easy. >> Even though the owner had to tell him at one time to take it easy. >> Yes. And um you're saying that you had never seen persons with life jackets probably one person out of 10. You mean on any boat at all or do you mean only on Kazula Jr.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-284","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":284,"timestamp":"03:16:01","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":121953,"char_end":122326,"raw_text":"[03:16:01] >> On any boat? And have you ever heard the captain or anyone giving safety briefings before the start of the the voyage? No. Did you sustain any injuries in the accident? Did you sustain any injuries as a result of the collision? >> Yes, sir. Lower down my knee. >> I beg your pardon? >> Lower down my knee. My shin. >> Okay. >> A bad injury. >> Just a split.\n\n","display_text":">> On any boat? And have you ever heard the captain or anyone giving safety briefings before the start of the the voyage? No. Did you sustain any injuries in the accident? Did you sustain any injuries as a result of the collision? >> Yes, sir. Lower down my knee. >> I beg your pardon? >> Lower down my knee. My shin. >> Okay. >> A bad injury. >> Just a split.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P2-285","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":2,"ordinal":285,"timestamp":"03:16:59","section":"d2p2-chris","char_start":122326,"char_end":122561,"raw_text":"[03:16:59] Is there anything else you wish to say to us apart from what you have said this afternoon? >> No sir. Are there any of the witnesses who wish to ask anything of the witness? Very well. Okay. You may you may step down then.\n\n","display_text":"Is there anything else you wish to say to us apart from what you have said this afternoon? >> No sir. Are there any of the witnesses who wish to ask anything of the witness? Very well. Okay. You may you may step down then.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[]},{"id":"D2P3-S001","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":1,"timestamp":"00:02:56","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":65,"char_end":482,"raw_text":"[00:02:56] Heat. Heat. Heat. Thank you chair, commissioners, legal council and to persons who are still watching. Good evening to you. We will have our last witness for today in the person of Lester Ja who was also a passenger on Kazola Jr. who will be sworn in at this time. >> No, that's two other things. suggest your name and then this >> I I sure >> Yeah. >> Do what? >> Do you just say what I tell you to say?\n\n","display_text":"Heat. Heat. Heat. Thank you chair, commissioners, legal council and to persons who are still watching. Good evening to you. We will have our last witness for today in the person of Lester Ja who was also a passenger on Kazola Jr. who will be sworn in at this time. >> No, that's two other things. suggest your name and then this >> I I sure >> Yeah. >> Do what? >> Do you just say what I tell you to say?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f01","title":"Final witness: Lester, surname requires reconciliation","text":"Use a verified name from the broader record if available. Do not invent the surname or silently equate him with Mavado/General Butcher. The address need not be published.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}],"aliases":["D2P3-001"]},{"id":"D2P3-S002","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":2,"timestamp":"00:06:45","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":482,"char_end":837,"raw_text":"[00:06:45] >> Yeah. >> I do swear. Do solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. >> Sit close to the mic. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Can also even Yes, sir. >> Okay. Could you for the record state your name, address, and occupation? >> My name Lester Ja. I live in Soulet Street. occupation, I do maintenance, everything.\n\n","display_text":">> Yeah. >> I do swear. Do solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. >> Sit close to the mic. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Can also even Yes, sir. >> Okay. Could you for the record state your name, address, and occupation? >> My name Lester Ja. I live in Soulet Street. occupation, I do maintenance, everything.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f01","title":"Final witness: Lester, surname requires reconciliation","text":"Use a verified name from the broader record if available. Do not invent the surname or silently equate him with Mavado/General Butcher. The address need not be published.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}],"aliases":["D2P3-002"]},{"id":"D2P3-S003","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":3,"timestamp":"00:07:54","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":837,"char_end":1249,"raw_text":"[00:07:54] Did you on the 19th day of July 2026 give a statement to the police on what transpired on the 18th of July 2026? >> Yes, sir. >> Were you given a copy of that statement you read this morning? No. >> No, sir. >> Okay. 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Now, who you say was going to the party? >> My friends Mango and >> Okay. >> No. Nbody. >> So, your friends were going to a party. Where was they were going to the party? >> Grand Bay.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-004"]},{"id":"D2P3-S005","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":5,"timestamp":"00:09:11","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":1636,"char_end":1991,"raw_text":"[00:09:11] >> At Rodney Bay. >> Yeah. And you asked to accompany them. Yes, sir. >> And you all agreed to meet at the waterfront in Sufra. >> Yes, sir. And at what time did you get to the waterfront? The after 4. And on what boat? >> Kazula Jr. So you boarded the boat Kazola Jr.? >> Yes. >> And do you know who else was on the boat when you boarded it?\n\n","display_text":">> At Rodney Bay. >> Yeah. And you asked to accompany them. Yes, sir. >> And you all agreed to meet at the waterfront in Sufra. >> Yes, sir. And at what time did you get to the waterfront? The after 4. And on what boat? >> Kazula Jr. So you boarded the boat Kazola Jr.? >> Yes. >> And do you know who else was on the boat when you boarded it?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-005"]},{"id":"D2P3-S006","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":6,"timestamp":"00:10:24","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":1991,"char_end":2364,"raw_text":"[00:10:24] >> Saturday the 18th. >> Yeah. The captain, Tyson, Nyall, Taylor, and her boyfriend and the next girl. >> Okay. Okay. The other people on the boat were Tyson, >> Taylor. >> Now, before you said Taylor, you said somebody. Was it Nyla? >> Yeah. Na. Then Na. I know him. Yeah. >> So, Tyson, Nia. 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Before the boat left or at any time after the boat left, did you all get what is referred to as a safety briefing? >> In St. Lucia, we don't do safety briefings with locals. Finally, somebody speak in we do not do safety briefings with locals. Sorry. Yes. So, y'all boarded the boat. No safety briefings were given. That's not done with locals. And then y'all started the journey to\n\n","display_text":">> After 4. Before the boat left or at any time after the boat left, did you all get what is referred to as a safety briefing? >> In St. Lucia, we don't do safety briefings with locals. Finally, somebody speak in we do not do safety briefings with locals. Sorry. Yes. So, y'all boarded the boat. No safety briefings were given. That's not done with locals. 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Taylor, sister, stay back. >> Yes. >> And we pick up three different guys. >> You don't you know their names? >> General Butcher, Japier, and Wabi. and General Butcher Japier. >> Yes, I mean General Butcher is also known as\n\n","display_text":"that time. I cannot recall the time, but it was late. who was on the boat on the way back. Is it the same people who who traveled to from Sufare to Pigeon Point? Were these the same people who traveled from Pigeon Point back to Sufare? 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So the engine was shaking. So Mado had to hold the engine kind of way and I think was controlling it to >> who was controlling it. >> Mango. >> Okay. >> Was trying to control it to reach on the shoreline. I think we tried to reach on the shoreline to look for help. >> Yeah. >> But we didn't know the boat had a hole.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-022"]},{"id":"D2P3-S023","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":23,"timestamp":"00:26:22","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":9126,"char_end":9610,"raw_text":"[00:26:22] So one day I trying to give it a little speed. The boat just sunk. >> Okay. At the time when Mango was trying to to get the boat onto shore, you were still on the boat at the time? >> Yes, sir. >> Were the other passengers all on the boat at the time? >> No, sir. We are missing like four people. four to we were missing four people and the captain at time jumping the seat to go and help those start asking for help. So it was >> me, Dwight, Nyall and I think Movado was\n\n","display_text":"So one day I trying to give it a little speed. The boat just sunk. >> Okay. At the time when Mango was trying to to get the boat onto shore, you were still on the boat at the time? >> Yes, sir. >> Were the other passengers all on the boat at the time? >> No, sir. We are missing like four people. four to we were missing four people and the captain at time jumping the seat to go and help those start asking for help. So it was >> me, Dwight, Nyall and I think Movado was\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-023"]},{"id":"D2P3-S024","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":24,"timestamp":"00:27:10","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":9610,"char_end":9980,"raw_text":"[00:27:10] on the boat. >> You, Dwight, >> Nyall, >> Nyall, and Mado >> was on the boat >> were on the boat. The other five people >> was in the ocean. >> What? They had flown away from the boat. >> Yeah. Yeah. as a result of the collision. As far as you know, those five people >> except the captain is when the captain heard help, >> he jumped in the water. >> Yeah.\n\n","display_text":"on the boat. >> You, Dwight, >> Nyall, >> Nyall, and Mado >> was on the boat >> were on the boat. The other five people >> was in the ocean. >> What? 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And I grab one and I jump in the sea to swim to go look for help. >> Where did you throw the life jackets? Into the boat or outside the boat? >> Into the water. Because the boat was already so I show it. It was in the\n\n","display_text":">> What were you doing at that moment? >> I was there on the boat trying to figure out how we could help the people. Went in the bow trying to look for life jacket in the bow. Open the bow. When I open the bow, then the boat stopped sinking. So the life jacket, I take life jacket and just throw it on the boat. Throw it anywhere. And I grab one and I jump in the sea to swim to go look for help. >> Where did you throw the life jackets? Into the boat or outside the boat? >> Into the water. Because the boat was already so I show it. It was in the\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-025"]},{"id":"D2P3-S026","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":26,"timestamp":"00:28:15","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":10541,"char_end":10920,"raw_text":"[00:28:15] water. It could be in the boat, but the boat had water to sinking. So in the water. So you had thrown these life jackets out of the boat. >> Yeah. >> In order for >> So who get it? Who get it? Yeah. >> And you say you jumped into the water yourself. >> You jumped into the water. >> When I say about sinking, I jump before life jacket too. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah.\n\n","display_text":"water. It could be in the boat, but the boat had water to sinking. So in the water. So you had thrown these life jackets out of the boat. >> Yeah. >> In order for >> So who get it? Who get it? 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Swim to the\n\n","display_text":">> With a view to what? Saving yourself or assisting. What? What? >> Saving myself as trying to assist trying to look for help. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Are you a a swimmer yourself? >> I'm a shark. Okay. Shark. Um, what what next happened? You are you being a shark, you jump out. You looking to assist people. >> Yeah. >> And and save yourself. What was the next thing that happened? >> I was shouting for help. Swim to the\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-027"]},{"id":"D2P3-S028","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":28,"timestamp":"00:29:13","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":11350,"char_end":11751,"raw_text":"[00:29:13] boat to I don't know which boat it was, but it was a yacht. So you saw a a boat a boat >> somewhere in the water nearby where the collision took place. >> Yes. >> And you said you swam to the boat. >> Come to the boat >> for what purpose? >> For ask for look for help. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> And did you reach that boat? Did you get onto the boat? >> I reached the boat. Get to the boat. But\n\n","display_text":"boat to I don't know which boat it was, but it was a yacht. So you saw a a boat a boat >> somewhere in the water nearby where the collision took place. >> Yes. >> And you said you swam to the boat. >> Come to the boat >> for what purpose? >> For ask for look for help. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> And did you reach that boat? Did you get onto the boat? >> I reached the boat. Get to the boat. But\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-028"]},{"id":"D2P3-S029","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":29,"timestamp":"00:29:37","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":11751,"char_end":12208,"raw_text":"[00:29:37] it was no help at all. >> But okay. Um so you reached to the boat you asked for help and you did not get help. >> It was a bad collusion. It was I think I was maybe coming and rob him or do something to him. So it was a misunderstanding at the time. >> Okay. So, and the long and short of it is you did not get any help from that boat or whoever was on that boat? >> No, sir. I get >> well, I could say I I look for help, but I I get frightened\n\n","display_text":"it was no help at all. >> But okay. Um so you reached to the boat you asked for help and you did not get help. >> It was a bad collusion. It was I think I was maybe coming and rob him or do something to him. So it was a misunderstanding at the time. >> Okay. So, and the long and short of it is you did not get any help from that boat or whoever was on that boat? >> No, sir. I get >> well, I could say I I look for help, but I I get frightened\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-029"]},{"id":"D2P3-S030","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":30,"timestamp":"00:30:18","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":12208,"char_end":12635,"raw_text":"[00:30:18] >> from that. So, I could save myself from that collusion and still want to look for help and I still get myself into a next problem again on the boat. Okay. And what next happened? You now we on the boat after problem happened on the boat. 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Uhhuh. >> After I was on the yacht,\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-030"]},{"id":"D2P3-S031","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":31,"timestamp":"00:30:52","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":12635,"char_end":13154,"raw_text":"[00:30:52] um I heard some noise at the back of the boat. The other guys that was swimming but the vessel too. Mhm. >> The semiot but the viot and then things end up calming a kind of way and then we all we all stay at the back of the boat and then I don't know what the white man do call police or call coast guard and then after couple minutes >> okay I don't want you to dwell so much on what what happened >> no I just tell you after >> no no let me just explain that I don't want you to dwell so too much on what\n\n","display_text":"um I heard some noise at the back of the boat. The other guys that was swimming but the vessel too. Mhm. >> The semiot but the viot and then things end up calming a kind of way and then we all we all stay at the back of the boat and then I don't know what the white man do call police or call coast guard and then after couple minutes >> okay I don't want you to dwell so much on what what happened >> no I just tell you after >> no no let me just explain that I don't want you to dwell so too much on what\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-031"]},{"id":"D2P3-S032","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":32,"timestamp":"00:31:27","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":13154,"char_end":13649,"raw_text":"[00:31:27] happened with the the >> No I come up for that already. Yeah. >> Hold on, hold on, hold on. 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We didn't get ambulance. So after a little while, a while a next boat, not the same boat touch of us, a next boat come pick us up and bring us to Suare. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So the boat a boat dropped you all to Tikai. >> Yes. >> Um all of you all disembark the boat at Tikai. >> The boat at Tikkai. >> Yeah. All of you all disembark. All of you all came off the boat when you\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-035"]},{"id":"D2P3-S036","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":36,"timestamp":"00:33:25","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":14890,"char_end":15253,"raw_text":"[00:33:25] reached >> Tikai. Yeah. Yeah. >> Did anybody go back with the boat? >> To the boat? No. >> With the boat? Nobody else? Nobody stayed on the boat? >> No. Nobody on the boat. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And then you all got to Tikai and then an ambulance was called but the ambulance did not arrive. >> Yes, sir. >> And somebody came to meet you all at Tikai.\n\n","display_text":"reached >> Tikai. Yeah. Yeah. >> Did anybody go back with the boat? >> To the boat? No. >> With the boat? Nobody else? Nobody stayed on the boat? >> No. Nobody on the boat. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And then you all got to Tikai and then an ambulance was called but the ambulance did not arrive. >> Yes, sir. >> And somebody came to meet you all at Tikai.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-036"]},{"id":"D2P3-S037","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":37,"timestamp":"00:33:44","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":15253,"char_end":15714,"raw_text":"[00:33:44] >> Yeah. >> And took you all to Suare. >> To the Sufra hospital. >> Yes. Yes. And who were who were the persons there with you at that point on that rescue board that took you all to to the hospital? Do you remember who the persons were? They had me, they had NY, they had Wabi, they had Mango, they had and they had Mado. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> It was only only men. >> Only men. Yeah. 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As far as you\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-037"]},{"id":"D2P3-S038","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":38,"timestamp":"00:34:20","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":15714,"char_end":16210,"raw_text":"[00:34:20] know, >> the ladies was I think they they had fly off the boat already. >> It was one lady on our boat on the way down. She had fly in the collision. >> She had fly off the boat. So we didn't know where she was, but the captain >> had already find her and we didn't know. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So it's after that we kept to know that. >> So all of y'all who were on that rescue boat were came from Kaza Jr. >> Yes. 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Sorry, >> this is the last one. Esta is the last witness. >> Okay. He's probably waiting for his friend. >> Yeah. And the name His name >> I'm sorry.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-040"]},{"id":"D2P3-S041","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":41,"timestamp":"00:36:27","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":16980,"char_end":17351,"raw_text":"[00:36:27] >> His name >> um Chris. >> Yeah. Chris. >> Okay. Is there any question that you wish to ask of the witness? Very well. >> Good day, Mr. Mr. Jean. >> Yes, sir. >> Lester. >> Yes, sir. >> Good. I just want to go through very brief with you but I want I want to be understood and I also want to un us to understand you said that we don't do briefing for locals\n\n","display_text":">> His name >> um Chris. >> Yeah. Chris. >> Okay. 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I just get right to go places on boats to say to work on boats. I don't work for >> And you said you do maintenance or something of that sort. >> I do maintenance like gardening and those stuff.\n\n","display_text":"when we do tour. That is correct. >> Yes sir. >> We meaning the boat operator. >> I meaning all types of boats that do look >> No. Oh, I want you to speak to the boats that you are connected to. >> Oh, I don't work on boats. So, sorry about that. I just get right to go places on boats to say to work on boats. I don't work for >> And you said you do maintenance or something of that sort. >> I do maintenance like gardening and those stuff.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f01","title":"Final witness: Lester, surname requires reconciliation","text":"Use a verified name from the broader record if available. Do not invent the surname or silently equate him with Mavado/General Butcher. The address need not be published.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}],"aliases":["D2P3-042"]},{"id":"D2P3-S043","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":43,"timestamp":"00:37:42","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":17805,"char_end":18208,"raw_text":"[00:37:42] >> That's why I told maintenance. >> Maintenance on the boat or >> No, >> you do. I don't know how you call it but >> Okay, take me through. You do maintenance on land. >> Yeah. >> But you often go out on a boat. >> Yes, sir. Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> You also stated that sometimes you are alone. Can you explain that to me? >> Sometimes we got I have a friend I have a dingy boat. A dingy.\n\n","display_text":">> That's why I told maintenance. >> Maintenance on the boat or >> No, >> you do. I don't know how you call it but >> Okay, take me through. You do maintenance on land. >> Yeah. >> But you often go out on a boat. >> Yes, sir. Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> You also stated that sometimes you are alone. Can you explain that to me? >> Sometimes we got I have a friend I have a dingy boat. A dingy.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f01","title":"Final witness: Lester, surname requires reconciliation","text":"Use a verified name from the broader record if available. Do not invent the surname or silently equate him with Mavado/General Butcher. The address need not be published.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}],"aliases":["D2P3-043"]},{"id":"D2P3-S044","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":44,"timestamp":"00:38:10","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":18208,"char_end":18607,"raw_text":"[00:38:10] >> So you drive a boat alone? >> Yeah. A dingy? Yeah. >> Do you have a any license? Any sir training? >> No. No sir. No license. So you operate a small vessel without a license? >> Yes sir. >> In the Supra Bay? >> Yes sir. >> Okay. Are you the owner of that dingy? >> No sir. >> Is the owner aware that you do not have any kind of >> Yes sir. >> You care to share the name of the owner?\n\n","display_text":">> So you drive a boat alone? >> Yeah. A dingy? Yeah. >> Do you have a any license? Any sir training? >> No. No sir. No license. So you operate a small vessel without a license? >> Yes sir. >> In the Supra Bay? >> Yes sir. >> Okay. Are you the owner of that dingy? >> No sir. >> Is the owner aware that you do not have any kind of >> Yes sir. >> You care to share the name of the owner?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-044"]},{"id":"D2P3-S045","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":45,"timestamp":"00:38:37","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":18607,"char_end":18998,"raw_text":"[00:38:37] >> Um they have a lot of of them. >> That's the person name. A lot of them. >> A lot of my friends have dink. Oh, okay. Okay. I understand. Other than that dinky, the rubber dinky you referring to? >> Yes. >> Have you driven any other boats, for example, the size of Kazula or Ocean Angel? >> Yes. >> In the Sufra Bay. >> Sufre Bay. Yes. >> Or outside of >> outside Sufra. Yeah.\n\n","display_text":">> Um they have a lot of of them. >> That's the person name. A lot of them. >> A lot of my friends have dink. Oh, okay. Okay. I understand. Other than that dinky, the rubber dinky you referring to? >> Yes. >> Have you driven any other boats, for example, the size of Kazula or Ocean Angel? >> Yes. >> In the Sufra Bay. >> Sufre Bay. Yes. >> Or outside of >> outside Sufra. Yeah.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-045"]},{"id":"D2P3-S046","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":46,"timestamp":"00:39:13","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":18998,"char_end":19355,"raw_text":"[00:39:13] >> Anywhere? >> Anywhere >> without a license? >> Yes. Okay. The day in question, the 18th of July 2026 between the round trip, which would have been Sufre to Gile and back to Suare. >> Yes. >> Right. You did a round trip. Round trip. You left Suare. >> Sufre to Ros. >> Wait a minute. Calm down. 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Did you drink any alcoholic beverages or otherwise before or during the trip? >> No sir, it's when I reach there. >> When you reach where? >> Um Rodney Bay. >> You care to share what you drunk? >> I drink some Peter. Two pree. >> Two free. >> Yeah, >> maybe. And two shots of comparing. >> Two shots of comparing. >> Yeah. >> And how many pons? >> Two to three ples.\n\n","display_text":"Suare. Did you drink any alcoholic beverages or otherwise before or during the trip? >> No sir, it's when I reach there. >> When you reach where? >> Um Rodney Bay. >> You care to share what you drunk? >> I drink some Peter. Two pree. >> Two free. >> Yeah, >> maybe. And two shots of comparing. >> Two shots of comparing. >> Yeah. >> And how many pons? >> Two to three ples.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-047"]},{"id":"D2P3-S048","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":48,"timestamp":"00:40:23","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":19741,"char_end":20057,"raw_text":"[00:40:23] >> No, there's not two or three. Two freeze. That's 23. Did you drink >> three? >> Oh, three. >> Three. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So you you drank two shots of kombari. Three pons. >> Yes sir. >> At Gili. >> Yes sir. That's before you went back to >> headed back to Sufra. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Understood.\n\n","display_text":">> No, there's not two or three. Two freeze. That's 23. Did you drink >> three? >> Oh, three. >> Three. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So you you drank two shots of kombari. Three pons. >> Yes sir. >> At Gili. >> Yes sir. That's before you went back to >> headed back to Sufra. >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Understood.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-048"]},{"id":"D2P3-S049","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":49,"timestamp":"00:40:46","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":20057,"char_end":20433,"raw_text":"[00:40:46] >> Did you eat anything that would have affected your judgment before or during the trip? >> Any food, any cake, anything? >> No sir, >> you didn't? Did you inhale the fumes of the engines or or any other fume that would have or that that would have affected your judgment? >> No, sir. >> Do you smoke? But you didn't >> No, nothing like that. >> Not on that day.\n\n","display_text":">> Did you eat anything that would have affected your judgment before or during the trip? >> Any food, any cake, anything? >> No sir, >> you didn't? Did you inhale the fumes of the engines or or any other fume that would have or that that would have affected your judgment? >> No, sir. >> Do you smoke? But you didn't >> No, nothing like that. >> Not on that day.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-049"]},{"id":"D2P3-S050","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":50,"timestamp":"00:41:15","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":20433,"char_end":20776,"raw_text":"[00:41:15] >> No. No. >> Okay. >> So, we headed back to because it appeared that from Sufre to Gile that everything seemed to be okay. Did you observe from where you were sitting during the impact? Did you notice anybody falling or jumping in the water immediately before the impact? >> No, sir. Did you see who was at the front of the boat?\n\n","display_text":">> No. No. >> Okay. >> So, we headed back to because it appeared that from Sufre to Gile that everything seemed to be okay. Did you observe from where you were sitting during the impact? Did you notice anybody falling or jumping in the water immediately before the impact? >> No, sir. Did you see who was at the front of the boat?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-050"]},{"id":"D2P3-S051","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":51,"timestamp":"00:41:59","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":20776,"char_end":21198,"raw_text":"[00:41:59] >> Yes, sir. At what point in time did that individual ended up in the water? >> Individual. >> Yes. >> I cannot tell you. I maybe wonder about both knock people fly. >> But were you looking at him? >> Well, I was looking in front. >> Uh-huh. When the collusion with nobody didn't know what happened is after one collusion then we get to know people fly off our boat. >> So the question I'm asking if you were\n\n","display_text":">> Yes, sir. At what point in time did that individual ended up in the water? >> Individual. >> Yes. >> I cannot tell you. I maybe wonder about both knock people fly. >> But were you looking at him? >> Well, I was looking in front. >> Uh-huh. When the collusion with nobody didn't know what happened is after one collusion then we get to know people fly off our boat. >> So the question I'm asking if you were\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-051"]},{"id":"D2P3-S052","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":52,"timestamp":"00:42:33","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":21198,"char_end":21647,"raw_text":"[00:42:33] looking forward you were looking in front. >> Yes. >> So your back was facing the captain and >> no front. >> Your back didn't see anybody. >> Your back was resting and the captain was at your back. >> At the back. >> So you would have seen the lookout. the person who was at the front >> because we have established we have established very early that there was not a lookout the person who you assume was the lookout said he was not a\n\n","display_text":"looking forward you were looking in front. >> Yes. >> So your back was facing the captain and >> no front. >> Your back didn't see anybody. >> Your back was resting and the captain was at your back. >> At the back. >> So you would have seen the lookout. the person who was at the front >> because we have established we have established very early that there was not a lookout the person who you assume was the lookout said he was not a\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f17","title":"Position at the bow is not proof of an appointed lookout","text":"Do not place a definitive LOOKOUT badge on Mavado in diagrams. 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I don't know. >> But sir, you were looking at someone\n\n","display_text":"lookout so we're not going down there he have said clearly to this commission he was not a lookout he was just there okay >> yes I understand what you're saying but he was in the front >> he was at the front he was just at the front >> yes >> so did you see what At what point in time he went in the water because you were seeing him all along. >> I cannot agree or what? I don't know. >> I don't know. I don't know. >> But sir, you were looking at someone\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f17","title":"Position at the bow is not proof of an appointed lookout","text":"Do not place a definitive LOOKOUT badge on Mavado in diagrams. 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There was Taylor and her boyfriend was right in front of me on the impact. I didn't even see when they fly in the water. >> Were you awake or >> I was awake? I could not see if they fly in the water and I could not tell if I see them because I have a fake eye. >> You have what?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f18","title":"No independent basis here to allocate collision fault","text":"Do not convert that unanswered accusatory proposition into an admission or a finding. His unrelated prior operation does not establish responsibility for this collision.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}],"aliases":["D2P3-054"]},{"id":"D2P3-S055","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":55,"timestamp":"00:44:04","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":22573,"char_end":23015,"raw_text":"[00:44:04] >> A fake eye. So on this side, I could not see nothing on this side. >> Oh, you couldn't see on your >> I could only see that right now. I could not see >> on your right side. Yeah, you saw nothing I could see nothing like that. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's a fake eye. So I could only see on this side. >> Okay. And what side? >> Right in front of me. >> So if they fly, I didn't see you on >> everybody on the left side. You would\n\n","display_text":">> A fake eye. So on this side, I could not see nothing on this side. >> Oh, you couldn't see on your >> I could only see that right now. I could not see >> on your right side. Yeah, you saw nothing I could see nothing like that. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's a fake eye. So I could only see on this side. >> Okay. And what side? >> Right in front of me. >> So if they fly, I didn't see you on >> everybody on the left side. You would\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f18","title":"No independent basis here to allocate collision fault","text":"Do not convert that unanswered accusatory proposition into an admission or a finding. His unrelated prior operation does not establish responsibility for this collision.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}],"aliases":["D2P3-055"]},{"id":"D2P3-S056","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":56,"timestamp":"00:44:24","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":23015,"char_end":23503,"raw_text":"[00:44:24] not have seen because of your eye injury. >> Yeah, on the right. >> Was that from the accident or previous? >> Previous. >> Oh, okay. Understand. So you were saying to the commission that through your right right eye? >> Yes. You would not have seen anything that would have happened because of a previous injury. >> Anybody that fly of the boat, I didn't see anybody. I don't see nobody fly. I just know that boat make a noise and we had people missing on our boat. I didn't\n\n","display_text":"not have seen because of your eye injury. >> Yeah, on the right. >> Was that from the accident or previous? >> Previous. >> Oh, okay. Understand. So you were saying to the commission that through your right right eye? >> Yes. You would not have seen anything that would have happened because of a previous injury. >> Anybody that fly of the boat, I didn't see anybody. I don't see nobody fly. I just know that boat make a noise and we had people missing on our boat. 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Have you seen the vessel Kazola since the accident? >> Have I seen Have you seen the boat since the accident? >> No sir. >> You've not seen it? >> No sir. >> But you said to this commission when the impact after the impact you went to open the bow the hatch at the bow to get life jackets that is when the boat started taking in water? >> Yeah.\n\n","display_text":"see them fly. >> Okay. Have you seen the vessel Kazola since the accident? >> Have I seen Have you seen the boat since the accident? >> No sir. >> You've not seen it? >> No sir. >> But you said to this commission when the impact after the impact you went to open the bow the hatch at the bow to get life jackets that is when the boat started taking in water? >> Yeah.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f08","title":"Hatch dispute needs physical evidence, not a credibility verdict","text":"The examiner's assertion is not a commission finding. Recovered condition is not automatically identical to the condition seconds after impact. 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The hatch in the bow they have a square thing where you could lift up and take the life jacket in there. I lift up that take out the life jacket. >> So what happened to the thing you lift up? After you lift it up, it disappear or it >> I just lift it up. I don't know where it go. I just lift up because life jacket I trying to look for. >> But from from the vessel the state the vessel is in that thing would have been destroyed along with the area with it.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f08","title":"Hatch dispute needs physical evidence, not a credibility verdict","text":"The examiner's assertion is not a commission finding. Recovered condition is not automatically identical to the condition seconds after impact. 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What >> what did you do? You what did you do? >> Me I didn't do anything. I just kept panicking. What? Cuz we have nobody on the boat. The guy saying we asking people asking for help that and that stop to jump sea. Other guys have to try to fix the boat to do something. Then I rush in the front to go and look for life jacket and then the boat had a big hole and then it sunk when you try to\n\n","display_text":"after the accident? The impact. When the accident part we always wondering what what's going on, what happened? What >> what did you do? You what did you do? >> Me I didn't do anything. I just kept panicking. What? Cuz we have nobody on the boat. The guy saying we asking people asking for help that and that stop to jump sea. Other guys have to try to fix the boat to do something. Then I rush in the front to go and look for life jacket and then the boat had a big hole and then it sunk when you try to\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-063"]},{"id":"D2P3-S064","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":64,"timestamp":"00:49:08","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":26862,"char_end":27315,"raw_text":"[00:49:08] one man one try to give it split. The boat sank. >> Where did the boat sank immediately after? >> No sir. The boat didn't sink immediately. >> Where did it sink? >> It sank after we take the live jacket. The boat start sinking. Was the boat driven away from the area with you on board when >> it was going a little spin cuz the engineing wasn't good. It break. So it was turning around cuz the engine was break. So it could not go straight.\n\n","display_text":"one man one try to give it split. The boat sank. >> Where did the boat sank immediately after? >> No sir. The boat didn't sink immediately. >> Where did it sink? >> It sank after we take the live jacket. The boat start sinking. Was the boat driven away from the area with you on board when >> it was going a little spin cuz the engineing wasn't good. It break. So it was turning around cuz the engine was break. So it could not go straight.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-064"]},{"id":"D2P3-S065","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":65,"timestamp":"00:49:37","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":27315,"char_end":27745,"raw_text":"[00:49:37] >> So the boat was spinning around. >> No, it was it could never hold it the boat straight. Even though you give it spin cuz the thing break. So the engine is >> the thing in terms of >> to keep the engine >> the control. >> Yeah. Not the not the steering wheel. >> Okay. >> It's by the engine itself to keep it stable. So I think that damage. So the engine >> the ram I I jo >> the thing the the the part of the boat\n\n","display_text":">> So the boat was spinning around. >> No, it was it could never hold it the boat straight. Even though you give it spin cuz the thing break. So the engine is >> the thing in terms of >> to keep the engine >> the control. >> Yeah. Not the not the steering wheel. >> Okay. >> It's by the engine itself to keep it stable. So I think that damage. So the engine >> the ram I I jo >> the thing the the the part of the boat\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-065"]},{"id":"D2P3-S066","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":66,"timestamp":"00:50:07","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":27745,"char_end":28154,"raw_text":"[00:50:07] that the engine is fixed to. >> So that would be the ram >> to Yeah. To finish. Yeah. >> So that was damaged. It was damaged. So the inching water kind of way, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So the boat started moving and then it sunk. >> Yes. >> Were you on the boat when it sunk? >> Yes, sir. In the bow kitting the life jacket. That's when it t sunk in. I put the life jacket and I jumped in the water.\n\n","display_text":"that the engine is fixed to. >> So that would be the ram >> to Yeah. To finish. Yeah. >> So that was damaged. It was damaged. So the inching water kind of way, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So the boat started moving and then it sunk. >> Yes. >> Were you on the boat when it sunk? >> Yes, sir. In the bow kitting the life jacket. That's when it t sunk in. I put the life jacket and I jumped in the water.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-066"]},{"id":"D2P3-S067","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":67,"timestamp":"00:50:34","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":28154,"char_end":28577,"raw_text":"[00:50:34] >> And what happened after? >> That's when I swim to go and look for help. How far from the area of the impact did the boat sunk? >> I could not tell you how far, but it was very deepy. I could tell you what, 300 ft. >> 300 ft from the impact. >> From the shoreline to the impact, maybe 300 ft. 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Is\n\n","display_text":"engine. I don't know if I trying to do something but I tell them let's try to get on shoreline to look for help but they could not do nothing with the engine. So when the engine take a little speed the sun at the time was in the bow taking the life jacket and then one one them fall in the sea and then that's it. But by the admission of the captain and persons previous, they stated to this commission that whilst the captain, sorry, whilst the captain jumped into the water and he was rescuing some persons, the owner of the boat tried to take the boat to shore. Is\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-070"]},{"id":"D2P3-S071","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":71,"timestamp":"00:53:14","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":30033,"char_end":30510,"raw_text":"[00:53:14] that correct? >> Yes, I think so. Yeah, because it wasn't working. So, he could not take it to shore. That's what I'm telling you. And when he had traveled a particular distance, the boat sank >> like 10 ft, 5 ft again. >> I don't know when they just give it a little speed because the boat was stable. So if you just give it a little speed, it just stick water. So it just sunk one time. But if the ram is broken, the ram is what keep the boat together. How would\n\n","display_text":"that correct? >> Yes, I think so. Yeah, because it wasn't working. So, he could not take it to shore. That's what I'm telling you. And when he had traveled a particular distance, the boat sank >> like 10 ft, 5 ft again. >> I don't know when they just give it a little speed because the boat was stable. So if you just give it a little speed, it just stick water. So it just sunk one time. But if the ram is broken, the ram is what keep the boat together. How would\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f09","title":"Approximate distances do not locate the wreck precisely","text":"Do not map a precise collision coordinate or drift distance from this exchange. 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No, in the back by the\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-072"]},{"id":"D2P3-S073","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":73,"timestamp":"00:54:19","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":31040,"char_end":31459,"raw_text":"[00:54:19] engine. >> At the stern of the engine. >> Yeah. >> At the stern of the vessel. Sorry. >> At the back. Yeah. At the back. >> And what were you doing >> in the front? Getting life jacket. >> So the boat was sinking at the front. >> The boat was taking water already. We didn't know our boat was sinking. If one take too much water, then we need to know the boat was sinking. That's all for now. >> Okay, sir.\n\n","display_text":"engine. >> At the stern of the engine. >> Yeah. >> At the stern of the vessel. Sorry. >> At the back. Yeah. At the back. >> And what were you doing >> in the front? Getting life jacket. >> So the boat was sinking at the front. >> The boat was taking water already. We didn't know our boat was sinking. If one take too much water, then we need to know the boat was sinking. That's all for now. >> Okay, sir.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-073"]},{"id":"D2P3-S074","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":74,"timestamp":"00:54:57","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":31459,"char_end":31848,"raw_text":"[00:54:57] >> Good evening, Mr. John. >> Yes, sir. >> How is your tongue healing? >> Um, it was a little goody, but take me a lot of two weeks or 3 weeks to heal. Yeah. I have to try to eat one aside. >> It's much better now. >> Yes. >> Okay. I'm particularly intrigued by a statement you've made and you've said it about three times. 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One about the tourist because the tourist pay more money. So black people not paying money. You don't get briefings. >> I see. And how long have you been throughout what time period have you been engaging in these boat rides? >> Um long time. Uh maybe I could say 10 years. 10 years. Yes.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f14","title":"Safety-briefing disparity alleged from repeated personal experience","text":"This is testimony about his experience, not a representative industry survey. His suggestion about tourists paying more is an asserted explanation, not established motive. 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Be >> before. >> Sometimes I bought a boat. We go on a beach on Tyson's fishing boat.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f14","title":"Safety-briefing disparity alleged from repeated personal experience","text":"This is testimony about his experience, not a representative industry survey. His suggestion about tourists paying more is an asserted explanation, not established motive. Do not publish a racial or industry-wide conclusion as fact.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}],"aliases":["D2P3-076"]},{"id":"D2P3-S077","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":77,"timestamp":"00:56:49","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":32719,"char_end":33090,"raw_text":"[00:56:49] >> On his fishing boat. >> Yeah. >> And you mentioned that you have skipped you have driven other boats. >> Yeah. Like dingies. Yeah. >> Apart from dingies. >> Yeah, I drive other boats already. >> What's the biggest vessel you've driven? Speed boat. >> What size? >> 28. Boing. >> A boring 27 28 30 ft. >> 28. >> The biggest being the 28. >> Yeah. 28. Yeah.\n\n","display_text":">> On his fishing boat. >> Yeah. >> And you mentioned that you have skipped you have driven other boats. >> Yeah. Like dingies. Yeah. >> Apart from dingies. >> Yeah, I drive other boats already. >> What's the biggest vessel you've driven? Speed boat. >> What size? >> 28. Boing. >> A boring 27 28 30 ft. >> 28. >> The biggest being the 28. >> Yeah. 28. Yeah.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f15","title":"Historic unlicensed operation allegation is specific and uncorroborated","text":"Do not present employer knowledge, instructions, safety breach or ongoing practice as independently established. He says no non-dinghy operation within the last year and describes the larger-vessel activity as historic. His general statement that it still happens is not accompanied by current documentary support here.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}],"aliases":["D2P3-077"]},{"id":"D2P3-S078","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":78,"timestamp":"00:57:23","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":33090,"char_end":33522,"raw_text":"[00:57:23] >> And the biggest with how many engines? >> Two engines. >> So you've driven a boring 28 with two engines? >> Yes. And you are not in possession of a captain's license. >> Um 225. D I working for Sugar Beach. >> You work for Sugar Beach. >> Yes. So anybody could drive the boat at Sugar Beach. >> Can you just repeat that again? >> I was working for Sugar Beach >> at the time. >> At the time of captain, anybody drive\n\n","display_text":">> And the biggest with how many engines? >> Two engines. >> So you've driven a boring 28 with two engines? >> Yes. And you are not in possession of a captain's license. >> Um 225. D I working for Sugar Beach. >> You work for Sugar Beach. >> Yes. 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Plenty of guys don't have license drive the boat too. >> And when you've been driving these vessels 28 ft with two engines, have you had passengers on board? >> Tourist? Yes. Looking for the hotel? Yes. So you've driven the vessel with two engines with no captain license with tourist with the knowledge of the hotel. >> Yes sir. It's happened all by now. It's happening still.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f15","title":"Historic unlicensed operation allegation is specific and uncorroborated","text":"Do not present employer knowledge, instructions, safety breach or ongoing practice as independently established. He says no non-dinghy operation within the last year and describes the larger-vessel activity as historic. 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You do not have a captain's license. >> Yes. >> You're not interested in being a captain. >> Yes. >> Speak into the mic. >> Yes, sir. >> You have not taken a course from Slasper to be a captain.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f15","title":"Historic unlicensed operation allegation is specific and uncorroborated","text":"Do not present employer knowledge, instructions, safety breach or ongoing practice as independently established. He says no non-dinghy operation within the last year and describes the larger-vessel activity as historic. 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That never happened. >> And that's coming from Sufare to go up north or coming from >> to go up north enough to come back so free. >> And what's the latest at night you've helped a captain on a vessel? >> I could say like sometimes 10:00 to go up, come back down 1:00, 2:00 2:00 in the morning. >> Yes, sir. Yeah. >> And on these voyages, you have no communication with PG life?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-084"]},{"id":"D2P3-S085","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":85,"timestamp":"01:01:46","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":36126,"char_end":36445,"raw_text":"[01:01:46] >> No. No, sir. >> Okay. I want to go back to the voyage from Rodney Bay to Sra. You left Rodney be at about You couldn't confirm the time. >> No. No. >> But it was night. >> It was night. 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When you say not too much like sometimes it's flat, sometimes it's rolling the knife is just a little choppy on the surface. >> Speaking to that. >> So it's just a little choppy on the surface. Not like rolling like rolling just >> so based on these sea conditions and your experience in driving vessels, how fast were you heading up to Sufra?\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f12","title":"Conditions: dark, no rain, some surface chop","text":"RPM is engine rotation, not boat speed. It must not be presented as 1,500 knots, a measured speed, or proof of compliance with safe-speed rules. 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No, I just know we are going down to sufly, you know. But to tell you like I noticed anything. We just I just heard a noise and that's it. >> So there was nothing out of the ordinary? >> No. No, nothing. >> You did not notice any lights coming towards you? >> No lights. Nothing. So no, >> no, nothing. >> No.\n\n","display_text":">> last and anything that you remember that you observed before impact? No, I just know we are going down to sufly, you know. But to tell you like I noticed anything. We just I just heard a noise and that's it. >> So there was nothing out of the ordinary? >> No. No, nothing. >> You did not notice any lights coming towards you? >> No lights. Nothing. 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Nothing. >> And And what exactly was the captain doing at that time? >> Driving the boat. >> Driving the boat immediately after the impact. >> No, no, no. The captain I thought was saying why we was going down. We was driving the boat. >> Okay. But after the impact, the captains jump in the sea to help all those people. >> Okay. >> Yeah.\n\n","display_text":">> Any nothing at all? Nothing. >> And And what exactly was the captain doing at that time? >> Driving the boat. >> Driving the boat immediately after the impact. >> No, no, no. The captain I thought was saying why we was going down. We was driving the boat. >> Okay. But after the impact, the captains jump in the sea to help all those people. >> Okay. >> Yeah.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-091"]},{"id":"D2P3-S092","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":92,"timestamp":"01:06:09","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":38780,"char_end":39310,"raw_text":"[01:06:09] >> Did you have a a tele a cell phone? >> No, sir. I didn't have no cell phone at that time. So that's why I didn't know that time or anything. Yeah. >> Did you observe anybody with a cell phone immediately after the impact? >> After the impact? No. is when I get to the shor when I get to tai then mu had his phone I think he's a waterproof phone so he end up calling somebody I don't know he call >> do you recall if he called the coast guard or police or >> I don't know but maybe his family I don't know he called\n\n","display_text":">> Did you have a a tele a cell phone? >> No, sir. I didn't have no cell phone at that time. So that's why I didn't know that time or anything. Yeah. >> Did you observe anybody with a cell phone immediately after the impact? >> After the impact? No. is when I get to the shor when I get to tai then mu had his phone I think he's a waterproof phone so he end up calling somebody I don't know he call >> do you recall if he called the coast guard or police or >> I don't know but maybe his family I don't know he called\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-092"]},{"id":"D2P3-S093","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":93,"timestamp":"01:06:46","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":39310,"char_end":39678,"raw_text":"[01:06:46] okay thank you >> welcome answer. >> Mr. J, good evening. >> Good evening, sir. >> Earlier during your testimony, you would have said that you have I go on a lot of boat trips. I cannot count. >> Yes, sir. >> Right. You said all of these boat trips are with local persons. >> Yes, sir. With locals like night times or Yes, >> with locals. >> Locals. Yeah.\n\n","display_text":"okay thank you >> welcome answer. >> Mr. J, good evening. >> Good evening, sir. >> Earlier during your testimony, you would have said that you have I go on a lot of boat trips. I cannot count. >> Yes, sir. >> Right. You said all of these boat trips are with local persons. >> Yes, sir. With locals like night times or Yes, >> with locals. >> Locals. Yeah.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f14","title":"Safety-briefing disparity alleged from repeated personal experience","text":"This is testimony about his experience, not a representative industry survey. His suggestion about tourists paying more is an asserted explanation, not established motive. 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Because from your admission, all those boat trips you've been on have been with locals. >> It's locals only. >> Yes. >> So if you've not been on boat trips with tourists? >> I have been in boat trips with tourists. >> So you have been on boat trips tourists too. >> Yes. >> That's what I'm asking because you would have said\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f14","title":"Safety-briefing disparity alleged from repeated personal experience","text":"This is testimony about his experience, not a representative industry survey. His suggestion about tourists paying more is an asserted explanation, not established motive. 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Yeah. >> Have you ever had any dealings with Slasper? >> No. No. >> And all the time you've been driving boats from 10 years ago and more, you never had any encounter whatsoever with Slasper? or anybody working with SAS? >> No sir.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-103"]},{"id":"D2P3-S104","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":104,"timestamp":"01:13:21","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":43965,"char_end":44364,"raw_text":"[01:13:21] >> What about the marine police? >> No. >> Have you ever had any interaction with Marine? >> No. No. No sir. >> None at all through all the years that you've been driving boats? >> No. No. No. >> And you have you ever had contact with the Viji Lighthouse for all the soas, no marine unit? No, >> no. 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What what caused you to say that? >> May I ever tell Mad was Lucata? You never said mou was look out. >> I I tell mad was in the front. He was always in the front of the boat. >> I see. >> Because he told me like already say he don't look out. I tell him be in the front. >> I see. >> Yeah. >> So you never said he was the lookout.\n\n","display_text":">> Yes. No, sir. Yeah. Yeah. >> Tell me why did you say Mavado was the lookout? What what caused you to say that? >> May I ever tell Mad was Lucata? You never said mou was look out. >> I I tell mad was in the front. He was always in the front of the boat. >> I see. >> Because he told me like already say he don't look out. I tell him be in the front. >> I see. >> Yeah. >> So you never said he was the lookout.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f17","title":"Position at the bow is not proof of an appointed lookout","text":"Do not place a definitive LOOKOUT badge on Mavado in diagrams. Several passengers looking forward does not establish a formal lookout arrangement or compliance.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}],"aliases":["D2P3-105"]},{"id":"D2P3-S106","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":106,"timestamp":"01:14:30","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":44788,"char_end":45144,"raw_text":"[01:14:30] >> No. >> Understand? I thought I heard you say that. So, as far as you're aware, there was no lookout on the boat. Please move out the seat in the front of that Wrong bow. They just have a little bit of stick, fin stick. 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Thank you, >> Mr. J. >> Yes.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f15","title":"Historic unlicensed operation allegation is specific and uncorroborated","text":"Do not present employer knowledge, instructions, safety breach or ongoing practice as independently established. He says no non-dinghy operation within the last year and describes the larger-vessel activity as historic. His general statement that it still happens is not accompanied by current documentary support here.","related_ids":[],"category":"editorial context"}],"aliases":["D2P3-110"]},{"id":"D2P3-S111","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":111,"timestamp":"01:17:42","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":46715,"char_end":47113,"raw_text":"[01:17:42] >> Just two questions. I heard you said to the chair that you were never in contact with Slasper any means of communication where your license or otherwise is concerned. That's correct. >> Yes sir. >> Neither the marine police unit. >> Yes sir. >> The suare police >> of license. >> Have the su police ever warned you or cautioned you about operating a vessel? >> No sir. >> Never did.\n\n","display_text":">> Just two questions. I heard you said to the chair that you were never in contact with Slasper any means of communication where your license or otherwise is concerned. That's correct. >> Yes sir. >> Neither the marine police unit. >> Yes sir. >> The suare police >> of license. >> Have the su police ever warned you or cautioned you about operating a vessel? >> No sir. >> Never did.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-111"]},{"id":"D2P3-S112","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":112,"timestamp":"01:18:12","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":47113,"char_end":47580,"raw_text":"[01:18:12] >> No sir. How about the SMMA Rangers? >> No sir. >> So nobody have seen you done that for the past 10 years? >> Yes. There been a long time I haven't tried both yet. >> So if this commission were to contact Sugar Beach and request information as to this the testimony you gave about operating their vessel with their guests. >> Yeah. Are you comfortable that that information will be available from the hotel? >> Yes, sir. And they have proof, they have\n\n","display_text":">> No sir. How about the SMMA Rangers? >> No sir. >> So nobody have seen you done that for the past 10 years? >> Yes. There been a long time I haven't tried both yet. >> So if this commission were to contact Sugar Beach and request information as to this the testimony you gave about operating their vessel with their guests. >> Yeah. Are you comfortable that that information will be available from the hotel? >> Yes, sir. And they have proof, they have\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-112"]},{"id":"D2P3-S113","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":113,"timestamp":"01:18:47","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":47580,"char_end":48021,"raw_text":"[01:18:47] camera, right? And finally, with all that you have said there, are you aware that four persons have lost their lives in that accident and many other persons are still nursing serious injuries? >> Yes, sir. I know that. Are you comfortable that all of And are you comfortable that all of this has happened and the information that you give may or may not be as accurate to help this commission. All the information I give is good\n\n","display_text":"camera, right? And finally, with all that you have said there, are you aware that four persons have lost their lives in that accident and many other persons are still nursing serious injuries? >> Yes, sir. I know that. Are you comfortable that all of And are you comfortable that all of this has happened and the information that you give may or may not be as accurate to help this commission. All the information I give is good\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[],"aliases":["D2P3-113"]},{"id":"D2P3-S114","day":2,"date":"2026-10-14","part":3,"ordinal":114,"timestamp":"01:19:29","section":"d2p3-lester","char_start":48021,"char_end":48461,"raw_text":"[01:19:29] but the people we lost and the people I bad for me. >> Second, >> the people we lost and the thing happened is bad. But all what I tell you is that's it. >> And as someone who was a captain for over 10 years, as you may have said, without papers. >> Yes. >> Did you see anything that was going wrong that you could have done >> to assist in preventing that from happening? Because it is clear to this um commission that you had\n\n","display_text":"but the people we lost and the people I bad for me. >> Second, >> the people we lost and the thing happened is bad. 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Whilst you were doing these trips with this vessel while employed at the Hotel Sugar Beach, at any one point in time, did the hotel ask you whether you had captain's certification? I think it was one guy at the time. Um he was the chief of security. I call him Harry. He had saw me with the boat and he bring it up to HR. Make HR know that I don't have a license to drive the boat. But HR will tell him like that.\n\n","source_unit_ids":[],"speaker_attribution":"Mixed speakers; examination context only.","edition":"Annotated automated transcript; no source-word substitutions.","annotations":[{"id":"note-p3-f15","title":"Historic unlicensed operation allegation is specific and uncorroborated","text":"Do not present employer knowledge, instructions, safety breach or ongoing practice as independently established. He says no non-dinghy operation within the last year and describes the larger-vessel activity as historic. 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Have you been on that vessel before?","reading_block_ids":["P2-020"]},{"id":"P2-U0353","start_char":20540,"end_char_exclusive":20547,"text":"No sir.","reading_block_ids":["P2-020"]},{"id":"P2-U0354","start_char":20551,"end_char_exclusive":20601,"text":"So, this was your first time on Ocean Angel? Yeah.","reading_block_ids":["P2-020"]},{"id":"P2-U0355","start_char":20605,"end_char_exclusive":20628,"text":"And you're a fisherman?","reading_block_ids":["P2-020"]},{"id":"P2-U0356","start_char":20632,"end_char_exclusive":20691,"text":"Yes sir. Do you often time travel at night on such vessels?","reading_block_ids":["P2-020"]},{"id":"P2-U0357","start_char":20695,"end_char_exclusive":20746,"text":"Do you travel on vessels from Sufra often at night?","reading_block_ids":["P2-020"]},{"id":"P2-U0358","start_char":20750,"end_char_exclusive":20757,"text":"No sir.","reading_block_ids":["P2-020"]},{"id":"P2-U0359","start_char":20761,"end_char_exclusive":20793,"text":"So you're normally in by sunset?","reading_block_ids":["P2-020"]},{"id":"P2-U0360","start_char":20797,"end_char_exclusive":20805,"text":"Yes sir.","reading_block_ids":["P2-020"]},{"id":"P2-U0361","start_char":20809,"end_char_exclusive":21022,"text":"A final question. Um, how would you describe the crew, which is the captain and the lookout, the first mate? How would you describe them? Were they tired? Were they under the influence of alcohol? 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Um prior to going on the trip or even during the passage from Sufre to the point of the accident, did you eat or did you drink anything that would have caused you to see or hear things differently from normal? I didn't eat anything. I didn't drink anything.","reading_block_ids":["P2-020"]},{"id":"P2-U0366","start_char":21812,"end_char_exclusive":21853,"text":"You didn't drink anything or eat anything","reading_block_ids":["P2-021"]},{"id":"P2-U0367","start_char":21857,"end_char_exclusive":21896,"text":"that would have impaired your judgment?","reading_block_ids":["P2-021"]},{"id":"P2-U0368","start_char":21900,"end_char_exclusive":21903,"text":"No.","reading_block_ids":["P2-021"]},{"id":"P2-U0369","start_char":21907,"end_char_exclusive":22037,"text":"Okay. 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Nothing like that. before just before the accident or the impact so to speak, did you notice or did you feel the captain did anything with the vessel? Go left, go right, slow down the speed.","reading_block_ids":["P2-025"]},{"id":"P2-U0437","start_char":27108,"end_char_exclusive":27195,"text":"Nothing that I just had a a loud noise. You didn't go left or right. Just a loud noise.","reading_block_ids":["P2-025"]},{"id":"P2-U0438","start_char":27199,"end_char_exclusive":27493,"text":"Okay. And based on where you were sitting, you could just take your time. You were sitting on the port side, which would have been the left side of the vessel. 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Was the captain drinking water? Was he drinking apple juice or anything? Nobody wasn't drinking anything. No nothing like that","reading_block_ids":["P2-026"]},{"id":"P2-U0452","start_char":28571,"end_char_exclusive":28590,"text":"or eating anything.","reading_block_ids":["P2-027"]},{"id":"P2-U0453","start_char":28594,"end_char_exclusive":28627,"text":"Eating nothing. 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Okay you I had four people die but even the same night I heard that the next day when I wake up. Yeah. But B, so my my understanding of the rules engaging the sea, would it be safe to say that you were a passenger or a crew member of the vessel?","reading_block_ids":["P2-028"]},{"id":"P2-U0469","start_char":29909,"end_char_exclusive":29912,"text":"You","reading_block_ids":["P2-028"]},{"id":"P2-U0470","start_char":29916,"end_char_exclusive":29934,"text":"I was a passenger.","reading_block_ids":["P2-028"]},{"id":"P2-U0471","start_char":29938,"end_char_exclusive":29948,"text":"Passenger.","reading_block_ids":["P2-028"]},{"id":"P2-U0472","start_char":29952,"end_char_exclusive":29970,"text":"Not a crew member.","reading_block_ids":["P2-028"]},{"id":"P2-U0473","start_char":29974,"end_char_exclusive":30291,"text":"So you were not working with the captain at the time. You were just riding. 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Then you have an Shassley you have um the different points Canaries let's just put it as Betty then you have Canaries as you go along going up north so at what point did he took the the boat from the first captain","reading_block_ids":["P2-030"]},{"id":"P2-U0493","start_char":32011,"end_char_exclusive":32027,"text":"it's Afton Shass","reading_block_ids":["P2-030"]},{"id":"P2-U0494","start_char":32031,"end_char_exclusive":32042,"text":"Afton Shass","reading_block_ids":["P2-030"]},{"id":"P2-U0495","start_char":32046,"end_char_exclusive":32110,"text":"so the first captain took it from Sufre went around the cove yes","reading_block_ids":["P2-030"]},{"id":"P2-U0496","start_char":32114,"end_char_exclusive":32189,"text":"and then when you get the stretch to come straight up. He took it from him.","reading_block_ids":["P2-030"]},{"id":"P2-U0497","start_char":32193,"end_char_exclusive":32425,"text":"So between Anshass that is outside of the reef correct to the point of the accident. 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Kimita roughly 45. 50 minutes 45 because speed 4,000 at least 45. Okay. Right. Okay. life jacket. Don't sell yourself. life jacket. Mhm. Amen. Life jacket. Oh, you prefer me English. Okay. Okay. So, Navigation lights. Navigation light on 100% sure.","reading_block_ids":["P2-041"]},{"id":"P2-U0673","start_char":44711,"end_char_exclusive":44765,"text":"100% sure. So you want to go in English now? I can go.","reading_block_ids":["P2-041"]},{"id":"P2-U0674","start_char":44769,"end_char_exclusive":44871,"text":"We can continue. So before the accident, did you see any other lights in the area you were navigating?","reading_block_ids":["P2-041"]},{"id":"P2-U0675","start_char":44875,"end_char_exclusive":44917,"text":"No, only the lights. 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That's what we ask.","reading_block_ids":["P2-042"]},{"id":"P2-U0682","start_char":45195,"end_char_exclusive":45222,"text":"At least that's what I say.","reading_block_ids":["P2-042"]},{"id":"P2-U0683","start_char":45226,"end_char_exclusive":45293,"text":"So you say free utility poles at least. It could have been more but","reading_block_ids":["P2-042"]},{"id":"P2-U0684","start_char":45297,"end_char_exclusive":45482,"text":"could have been more but kind of Yeah. Okay, thank you. So my next question to you is were there any other vessel? Okay. So, how dark was it and what was the weather like on that night?","reading_block_ids":["P2-042"]},{"id":"P2-U0685","start_char":45486,"end_char_exclusive":45565,"text":"Weather visibility was all right. Good weather was good. Delta Delta stars bel.","reading_block_ids":["P2-042"]},{"id":"P2-U0686","start_char":45569,"end_char_exclusive":45586,"text":"Was the moon out?","reading_block_ids":["P2-042"]},{"id":"P2-U0687","start_char":45590,"end_char_exclusive":45602,"text":"Yeah, Delta.","reading_block_ids":["P2-042"]},{"id":"P2-U0688","start_char":45606,"end_char_exclusive":45696,"text":"Okay. But if the moon was out, you would have seen the wash. I bought this because no see.","reading_block_ids":["P2-042"]},{"id":"P2-U0689","start_char":45700,"end_char_exclusive":45705,"text":"Okay.","reading_block_ids":["P2-042"]},{"id":"P2-U0690","start_char":45709,"end_char_exclusive":45872,"text":"But since you spoke about slow down. All right. The rules engage that if the rules concerning safe speed indicate that if you are traveling and the visibility Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P2-042"]},{"id":"P2-U0691","start_char":45876,"end_char_exclusive":45979,"text":"We just So my next question is at the point of the accident, what did you do after you felt the impact?","reading_block_ids":["P2-042"]},{"id":"P2-U0692","start_char":45983,"end_char_exclusive":46023,"text":"I mean, you mean the minute it happened?","reading_block_ids":["P2-043"]},{"id":"P2-U0693","start_char":46027,"end_char_exclusive":46060,"text":"Yes. What did you do immediately?","reading_block_ids":["P2-043"]},{"id":"P2-U0694","start_char":46064,"end_char_exclusive":46199,"text":"I guess well, I was the one that put the boat in again. I was down to put the boat in neutral but in neutral for sure yours in neutral.","reading_block_ids":["P2-043"]},{"id":"P2-U0695","start_char":46203,"end_char_exclusive":46359,"text":"Yeah. 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So nephew noch So okay for me lighthouse for me pilot boat for Noitor. Okay. Huh? Well, all right. there.","reading_block_ids":["P2-044"]},{"id":"P2-U0720","start_char":47617,"end_char_exclusive":47623,"text":"Messi,","reading_block_ids":["P2-044"]},{"id":"P2-U0721","start_char":47627,"end_char_exclusive":48203,"text":"Mr. Hibolit, the captain before you, he answered the same thing to the commission that you just answered that he did not call the lighthouse. You said you did not call the lighthouse. Tell this commission in practice what happens. I mean give us a general sense. You you you travel on other boats. You you you captain boats yourself. Tell tell us what what happens when you you as a fisherman leave. You leaving Sufre to go out fishing or you leaving the pot of Sufre to another pot with people on board. What do you do? What do other captains do? 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Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do you all do that in general or do you know whether other boat captains do that or it is","reading_block_ids":["P2-045"]},{"id":"P2-U0723","start_char":48424,"end_char_exclusive":48606,"text":"I don't think I don't think much of us do it you know boss I I don't know I don't know for some reason you see that VGM lighthouse most people do that is the people that in cast race","reading_block_ids":["P2-045"]},{"id":"P2-U0724","start_char":48610,"end_char_exclusive":48630,"text":"that's most captains","reading_block_ids":["P2-045"]},{"id":"P2-U0725","start_char":48634,"end_char_exclusive":48673,"text":"but most of you know that you should do","reading_block_ids":["P2-045"]},{"id":"P2-U0726","start_char":48677,"end_char_exclusive":48687,"text":"you should","reading_block_ids":["P2-045"]},{"id":"P2-U0727","start_char":48691,"end_char_exclusive":48719,"text":"but you all just don't do it","reading_block_ids":["P2-045"]},{"id":"P2-U0728","start_char":48723,"end_char_exclusive":48768,"text":"I don't know for some reason they don't do it","reading_block_ids":["P2-045"]},{"id":"P2-U0729","start_char":48772,"end_char_exclusive":48816,"text":"they don't I'm But a lot of them a lot of us","reading_block_ids":["P2-045"]},{"id":"P2-U0730","start_char":48820,"end_char_exclusive":48968,"text":"But as far as you know whether fishermanmen or or boat captains with taxi the the boat water taxi as far as you know they don't call the lighthouse.","reading_block_ids":["P2-045"]},{"id":"P2-U0731","start_char":48972,"end_char_exclusive":49113,"text":"No we don't we don't that one we we we don't follow that one. Definitely a lot of us don't follow that one calling VG light whatever we don't","reading_block_ids":["P2-045"]},{"id":"P2-U0732","start_char":49117,"end_char_exclusive":49382,"text":"okay thank you Mr. Thank you Mr. Hippolit. Would you be surprised that there is sufficient evidence to show that you have been operating vessels within the port of Sufre other than the day of the accident? Would you be surprised? But from my boat other vessels like","reading_block_ids":["P2-045"]},{"id":"P2-U0733","start_char":49386,"end_char_exclusive":49419,"text":"you've been operating listen well","reading_block_ids":["P2-046"]},{"id":"P2-U0734","start_char":49423,"end_char_exclusive":49563,"text":"before the day of the accident on 2016 Mr. Chairman, when the license expired 2015, would you be surprised that there is sufficient evidence","reading_block_ids":["P2-046"]},{"id":"P2-U0735","start_char":49567,"end_char_exclusive":49710,"text":"that you have been operating within the port of Sufre another vessel? Well, I don't surprise so I'll not be surprised. You'll not be surprised.","reading_block_ids":["P2-046"]},{"id":"P2-U0736","start_char":49714,"end_char_exclusive":49754,"text":"I will not be surprised but I not I try.","reading_block_ids":["P2-046"]},{"id":"P2-U0737","start_char":49758,"end_char_exclusive":49763,"text":"Okay.","reading_block_ids":["P2-046"]},{"id":"P2-U0738","start_char":49767,"end_char_exclusive":49787,"text":"No building evidence","reading_block_ids":["P2-046"]},{"id":"P2-U0739","start_char":49791,"end_char_exclusive":49846,"text":"that between surprise 15 operate. surprise my surprise.","reading_block_ids":["P2-046"]},{"id":"P2-U0740","start_char":49850,"end_char_exclusive":50146,"text":"No, you know that I remember well for the after 11 years. I think I have my book for 10 years now. Probably two and a half. But you will agree with me that you have been approached on renewing your license between 2015 and July 18th, 2026 to make an effort to renew your license. 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Let me just ask. I want to understand something from you. You seem to be suggesting that you do not need a license to drive your fishing boat. Is that what you're suggesting? Well,","reading_block_ids":["P2-047"]},{"id":"P2-U0747","start_char":50693,"end_char_exclusive":50780,"text":"because you keep saying you don't have a license, but you only drive your fishing boat.","reading_block_ids":["P2-047"]},{"id":"P2-U0748","start_char":50784,"end_char_exclusive":50865,"text":"Yeah. Well, so don't not a fishing um license you need to operate a fishing boat.","reading_block_ids":["P2-047"]},{"id":"P2-U0749","start_char":50869,"end_char_exclusive":50951,"text":"That's what I'm asking. Is that is that what you're trying to tell the commission?","reading_block_ids":["P2-047"]},{"id":"P2-U0750","start_char":50955,"end_char_exclusive":51219,"text":"Yeah. that you you apart from this boat which were you which you were operating on the night of the accident. You seem to be suggesting because you mostly operate your fishing vessel that you have not been paying that captain's license. Is that what you're saying?","reading_block_ids":["P2-047"]},{"id":"P2-U0751","start_char":51223,"end_char_exclusive":51497,"text":"Mhm. And when you answered that you were not surprised, you would not be surprised. If you were shown evidence that you have driven other vessels, what what what are you saying? Are you saying you're not surprised that people will say something like that or you and explain?","reading_block_ids":["P2-047"]},{"id":"P2-U0752","start_char":51501,"end_char_exclusive":51613,"text":"Well, I'm not surprised if you all have it as proof showing that I already drive other boats. if you'll have it.","reading_block_ids":["P2-048"]},{"id":"P2-U0753","start_char":51617,"end_char_exclusive":51670,"text":"Oh, you will not be surprised if we have it as proof.","reading_block_ids":["P2-048"]},{"id":"P2-U0754","start_char":51674,"end_char_exclusive":51679,"text":"Yeah.","reading_block_ids":["P2-048"]},{"id":"P2-U0755","start_char":51683,"end_char_exclusive":51699,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","reading_block_ids":["P2-048"]},{"id":"P2-U0756","start_char":51703,"end_char_exclusive":52053,"text":"My my final question to you at this time, Mr. Hippolit, is to ask you if you remember how much it is to pay your annual license. You don't remember? Should I remind him, Mr. chairman or should I based on the provisions of the law for you it's only $5 per year. So we are yet to understand why from 2016 to renew 2016 to 2011 um now is 11 years right?","reading_block_ids":["P2-048"]},{"id":"P2-U0757","start_char":52057,"end_char_exclusive":52067,"text":"What's $5?","reading_block_ids":["P2-048"]},{"id":"P2-U0758","start_char":52071,"end_char_exclusive":52116,"text":"How much for the license that is expired? the","reading_block_ids":["P2-048"]},{"id":"P2-U0759","start_char":52120,"end_char_exclusive":52160,"text":"the one that is expired. How much is it?","reading_block_ids":["P2-048"]},{"id":"P2-U0760","start_char":52164,"end_char_exclusive":52707,"text":"So the government made provisions to give concession and all of that just to ensure and I'm speaking about the government of St. Lucia through your what you do for a living. You your livelihood would have given you concession for $5 I believe to renew the license and you have not done so in 11 years. So, are you saying in 11 years you have not been able to make $55 to renew your license at all in 11 years? I don't understand that one yet. So, you'll have to you get me there. That one you'll have to I don't quite understand that one year.","reading_block_ids":["P2-048"]},{"id":"P2-U0761","start_char":52711,"end_char_exclusive":52742,"text":"It it goes back to the issue of","reading_block_ids":["P2-049"]},{"id":"P2-U0762","start_char":52746,"end_char_exclusive":52751,"text":"again","reading_block_ids":["P2-049"]},{"id":"P2-U0763","start_char":52755,"end_char_exclusive":52881,"text":"you have your your license to operate a boat expired on the 18th of July 2015. We've shown you the documents. You accept that?","reading_block_ids":["P2-049"]},{"id":"P2-U0764","start_char":52885,"end_char_exclusive":52890,"text":"Yeah.","reading_block_ids":["P2-049"]},{"id":"P2-U0765","start_char":52894,"end_char_exclusive":53212,"text":"And it is being also put to you that between then 11 years ago when your license expired and now you have been driving passenger boats during that period. Yes. I mean that between Janu July of 2015 and now you have been driving boats. You have been doing boats. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I tell you I was driving my boat.","reading_block_ids":["P2-049"]},{"id":"P2-U0766","start_char":53216,"end_char_exclusive":53270,"text":"No, no, no. We're not talking about your fishing boat.","reading_block_ids":["P2-049"]},{"id":"P2-U0767","start_char":53274,"end_char_exclusive":53300,"text":"Talking about other boats.","reading_block_ids":["P2-049"]},{"id":"P2-U0768","start_char":53304,"end_char_exclusive":53558,"text":"Yes. That you have been driving boats in those 11 years, although you do not have a license to do so. I I mean, you you are saying everything else but yes, but everything you're saying suggests that that is so, but you're just not saying yes, that is so.","reading_block_ids":["P2-049"]},{"id":"P2-U0769","start_char":53562,"end_char_exclusive":53857,"text":"Well, yes. So, yes, you agree that you've been driving boats without a license. Yes. And that um Kaz Kazora Kaza or Kazora? Kaza JR is not the only boat that you have driven in the last 11 years. The only passenger boat that you've driven in the last 11 years. You have driven other boats. Well,","reading_block_ids":["P2-049"]},{"id":"P2-U0770","start_char":53861,"end_char_exclusive":53900,"text":"surprise me like you said. 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We also are putting into you that you you drove other boats as well during those 11 years.","reading_block_ids":["P2-050"]},{"id":"P2-U0776","start_char":54394,"end_char_exclusive":54398,"text":"Yes.","reading_block_ids":["P2-050"]},{"id":"P2-U0777","start_char":54402,"end_char_exclusive":54649,"text":"Yep. And was has anybody from the port authority, the maritime division of the port authority or from the marine unit of the police force approached you in those 11 years about the fact that you are operating boats without the appropriate license?","reading_block_ids":["P2-050"]},{"id":"P2-U0778","start_char":54653,"end_char_exclusive":54687,"text":"Well, not not that I can remember.","reading_block_ids":["P2-050"]},{"id":"P2-U0779","start_char":54691,"end_char_exclusive":54891,"text":"You can't remember being approached by anybody from the maritime unit of the port author St. Toucha NC ports Authority. You don't remember ever being approached in 11 years about your expired license?","reading_block_ids":["P2-050"]},{"id":"P2-U0780","start_char":54895,"end_char_exclusive":54900,"text":"Nope.","reading_block_ids":["P2-051"]},{"id":"P2-U0781","start_char":54904,"end_char_exclusive":55029,"text":"And do you you don't remember being approached in 11 years by anybody from the police marine unit about your expired license?","reading_block_ids":["P2-051"]},{"id":"P2-U0782","start_char":55033,"end_char_exclusive":55554,"text":"Very well. Well, let me just take the opportunity to to just put one statement to you that was made by your employer, the boat owner, that I would have purchased at least four pet bears each for Leester, Nile, and Tyson. They had they had their own monies and would have purchased their own drinks as well. That's what that's what Mr. Ireina Pascal said in his statement that he bought four drinks for each of you. Four beers for each of you and that apart from that you'll your own monies and were buying drinks as well.","reading_block_ids":["P2-051"]},{"id":"P2-U0783","start_char":55558,"end_char_exclusive":55613,"text":"Well, I didn't buy any other drinks. Don't need a foil.","reading_block_ids":["P2-051"]},{"id":"P2-U0784","start_char":55617,"end_char_exclusive":57113,"text":"Very well. Anything else? Anything else? No. Yes, at this point uh that concludes the the your evidence at this time. Bear in mind that it is possible that you may be recalled um to give to respond to other questions that the commission may find it necessary to put to you. So it is possible that you may be recalled and I want you to clearly bear in mind here that we are not this is not about prosecuting you. There might be there might be a a a police officer here but he is here in his capacity as a a senior police officer who can assist with the what the work that the commission is doing. But we are not the police. We are not trying to ask you questions so that charges can be brought against you. This is not the role of this commission. So it's important that you understand that. So you do not have to bob and weave and duck and so on in answering questions. Our role is to get the information as to what happened. So as I indicated, you may be called back if the need arises for you to give uh further evidence in the matter. Uh any questions that you had for Mr. Hippolip? Okay, you may step down. All right. Thank you, Miss Joseph. He's a short recess. After this, we only have one more witness for the day, but we have to take a short recess for no more than about 10 minutes because one of the commissioners has a matter to attend to. So, you will remain here or anywhere within the precincts and be back in 10 minutes to to take your evidence. Okay. 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All right. when we were leaving um Rodney or Gile um captain was you know going a little more than moderate all right and I had to stop him and I have people that could attest to that I had to tell him that you know take it easy because it's kind of choppy and you can't ride those wave with speed cuz you know it could we have nine of us on board it could cause you know even without coll co colliding with anybody body it could just sink sometime take a wave so I had to call on on him and tell him you know he has to take it easy","reading_block_ids":["P3-010"]},{"id":"P3-U0124","start_char":10927,"end_char_exclusive":10962,"text":"and who was the captain at the time","reading_block_ids":["P3-011"]},{"id":"P3-U0125","start_char":10966,"end_char_exclusive":11009,"text":"it was Tyson Tyson captain go and come back","reading_block_ids":["P3-011"]},{"id":"P3-U0126","start_char":11013,"end_char_exclusive":11039,"text":"and that's Tyson Hippolith","reading_block_ids":["P3-011"]},{"id":"P3-U0127","start_char":11043,"end_char_exclusive":11063,"text":"Tyson Hippolith yeah","reading_block_ids":["P3-011"]},{"id":"P3-U0128","start_char":11067,"end_char_exclusive":11140,"text":"during the course of that evening did you consume any alcoholic beverages","reading_block_ids":["P3-011"]},{"id":"P3-U0129","start_char":11144,"end_char_exclusive":11221,"text":"yes I did yes I and I could clearly remember what I was consuming that night.","reading_block_ids":["P3-011"]},{"id":"P3-U0130","start_char":11225,"end_char_exclusive":11275,"text":"And did you consume any alcohol with your captain?","reading_block_ids":["P3-011"]},{"id":"P3-U0131","start_char":11279,"end_char_exclusive":11907,"text":"No. Well, I was the one who I purchased as I said clearly in my statement that I purchase um like three four bears for each of them cuz you know when I go out I always you know take care I I I'm the one who spending you know so you know everything was on me. So, I bought like three or four rounds of drinks which was bez. And I had like a glass like glass of um I think it was Bonte and Cranberry that night. Yeah, Bonte and Cranberry I had that night. I only had maybe three four glass. I not a heavy drinker. I drink occasionally. But it's normal if you go out with your captains while on a tour that you buy drinks for them.","reading_block_ids":["P3-011"]},{"id":"P3-U0132","start_char":11911,"end_char_exclusive":11926,"text":"They go pardon.","reading_block_ids":["P3-011"]},{"id":"P3-U0133","start_char":11930,"end_char_exclusive":11950,"text":"I said, is it normal","reading_block_ids":["P3-012"]},{"id":"P3-U0134","start_char":11954,"end_char_exclusive":12039,"text":"when you go out on tours with your captain that you buy alcoholic beverages for them?","reading_block_ids":["P3-012"]},{"id":"P3-U0135","start_char":12043,"end_char_exclusive":12412,"text":"No, not all the time. There's a place and time for all that. As I said, that night it was a event. We went to a event and we went and, you know, have a good time. But in still having a good time, I was vigilant because as I said, I I was the one buying the drinks. So, you know, I we didn't consume too many cuz I know what it could do when you're drinking and driving.","reading_block_ids":["P3-012"]},{"id":"P3-U0136","start_char":12416,"end_char_exclusive":12455,"text":"So, I just have two more questions. Um,","reading_block_ids":["P3-012"]},{"id":"P3-U0137","start_char":12459,"end_char_exclusive":12470,"text":"no problem.","reading_block_ids":["P3-012"]},{"id":"P3-U0138","start_char":12474,"end_char_exclusive":12621,"text":"Is it normal for you to extend these services during the festive season, for example, carnival, jazz, etc. Do you normally do these tours at night?","reading_block_ids":["P3-012"]},{"id":"P3-U0139","start_char":12625,"end_char_exclusive":12635,"text":"Yes, I do.","reading_block_ids":["P3-012"]},{"id":"P3-U0140","start_char":12639,"end_char_exclusive":12677,"text":"And how late do you stay on the water?","reading_block_ids":["P3-012"]},{"id":"P3-U0141","start_char":12681,"end_char_exclusive":12986,"text":"Well, to be honest, as I say, I'm the owner, so I basically don't really navigate at night. I usually send my captain and crew to do the work and I just stay back. So, I don't really navigate at night. 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The of the incident.","reading_block_ids":["P3-014"]},{"id":"P3-U0159","start_char":14592,"end_char_exclusive":14616,"text":"The day of the incident.","reading_block_ids":["P3-014"]},{"id":"P3-U0160","start_char":14620,"end_char_exclusive":14625,"text":"Yeah.","reading_block_ids":["P3-014"]},{"id":"P3-U0161","start_char":14629,"end_char_exclusive":14667,"text":"Like you mean like um visibility wise?","reading_block_ids":["P3-014"]},{"id":"P3-U0162","start_char":14671,"end_char_exclusive":14675,"text":"Yes.","reading_block_ids":["P3-014"]},{"id":"P3-U0163","start_char":14679,"end_char_exclusive":15022,"text":"Well, as I said, it was dark to be honest with you. And where I was seated, you know, I could have just seen dark clouds and like um how you call that lights from the shoreline and choppy like see was choppy but visibility wise like it was kind of dark. So it was dark but it was you could have still see a bit a little bit visible as well but","reading_block_ids":["P3-014"]},{"id":"P3-U0164","start_char":15026,"end_char_exclusive":15047,"text":"the weather was dark.","reading_block_ids":["P3-014"]},{"id":"P3-U0165","start_char":15051,"end_char_exclusive":15072,"text":"Yeah. Low visibility.","reading_block_ids":["P3-014"]},{"id":"P3-U0166","start_char":15076,"end_char_exclusive":15081,"text":"Yeah.","reading_block_ids":["P3-014"]},{"id":"P3-U0167","start_char":15085,"end_char_exclusive":15494,"text":"A bit of shoreline. And then what happened in terms of the impact? Just describe your Well, the impact to be honest. As I said, I've I can have a little hearing problem. So, I only heard a sound. I don't know how loud it was cuz you know when you have a little air problem you might not hear it as normal as the next person but I just heard a noise and then you know I was shift to other seat and that was it.","reading_block_ids":["P3-014"]},{"id":"P3-U0168","start_char":15498,"end_char_exclusive":15508,"text":"Thank you.","reading_block_ids":["P3-015"]},{"id":"P3-U0169","start_char":15512,"end_char_exclusive":15612,"text":"You're welcome. And be before um ACPD freighters asked you some questions. I just want to understand","reading_block_ids":["P3-015"]},{"id":"P3-U0170","start_char":15616,"end_char_exclusive":15649,"text":"can you project your voice a bit?","reading_block_ids":["P3-015"]},{"id":"P3-U0171","start_char":15653,"end_char_exclusive":15866,"text":"Yes. I just want to understand you said that you know you don't get into problems with the law and so on and so on and you know you are a good law-abiding citizen. I got the impression that's what you were saying.","reading_block_ids":["P3-015"]},{"id":"P3-U0172","start_char":15870,"end_char_exclusive":16201,"text":"No not I try and I try and do things just as I should you know to not get myself in problems. You know sometimes you you fall short there and there but you know I always try my best to do what I have to do. But were you aware of the fact that you were employing somebody to to captain a boat who whose license expired 11 years ago?","reading_block_ids":["P3-015"]},{"id":"P3-U0173","start_char":16205,"end_char_exclusive":16545,"text":"But I'm being honest with you. I know this guy for a while and I know he's been driving boats. So I'm making assumption that he has a license. You understand? And as I said the night it wasn't him was supposed to drive my boat. So you're saying you know he drives boats. Does Can I take that? 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I don't know how long he has it for but before the passion before his boat I know him to captain like um Exodus I don't know if you know about those company um Exodus that's for Tom and them","reading_block_ids":["P3-016"]},{"id":"P3-U0180","start_char":17006,"end_char_exclusive":17052,"text":"that's back then like years maybe have decades","reading_block_ids":["P3-016"]},{"id":"P3-U0181","start_char":17056,"end_char_exclusive":17086,"text":"that's before 2015 when he was","reading_block_ids":["P3-016"]},{"id":"P3-U0182","start_char":17090,"end_char_exclusive":17295,"text":"well I don't I to be honest with you I don't know I as I said I just know him to captain those boats which I know is licensed boats that operate in the tourist industry so I'm assuming He do has a license.","reading_block_ids":["P3-016"]},{"id":"P3-U0183","start_char":17299,"end_char_exclusive":17489,"text":"So I'm trying to understand you you know him to be regularly captaining these um passenger boats. You know him to be regularly captaining these boats. Why you thought he must have a license?","reading_block_ids":["P3-016"]},{"id":"P3-U0184","start_char":17493,"end_char_exclusive":17509,"text":"Repeat yourself.","reading_block_ids":["P3-016"]},{"id":"P3-U0185","start_char":17513,"end_char_exclusive":17658,"text":"You know is it that you're saying that he know you know he regularly captaining these passenger boats and therefore you thought he had a license?","reading_block_ids":["P3-016"]},{"id":"P3-U0186","start_char":17662,"end_char_exclusive":17717,"text":"Yes. And how regularly would you say he captains boats?","reading_block_ids":["P3-017"]},{"id":"P3-U0187","start_char":17721,"end_char_exclusive":18205,"text":"Well, as I said, that's don't care. That's like decades ago. But presently, as he owns his boat, I could attest that I haven't seen him drive a boat apart from his boat. That's what I could say. I haven't seen if he does it. Maybe at the moment, I didn't see. But I'm telling you, apart from his boat, cuz he drive his boat, he has his fishing boat where he go to sea. And I could see that, you know, apart from his boat, I haven't seen him drive any other boat to be honest with you.","reading_block_ids":["P3-017"]},{"id":"P3-U0188","start_char":18209,"end_char_exclusive":18276,"text":"Yet you put him in charge of carrying nine passengers on your boat.","reading_block_ids":["P3-017"]},{"id":"P3-U0189","start_char":18280,"end_char_exclusive":18285,"text":"Yeah.","reading_block_ids":["P3-017"]},{"id":"P3-U0190","start_char":18289,"end_char_exclusive":18335,"text":"Cuz as I said, I know him to be driving boats.","reading_block_ids":["P3-017"]},{"id":"P3-U0191","start_char":18339,"end_char_exclusive":18418,"text":"Yeah. what you said since he had his fishing boat, you hardly see driving boat.","reading_block_ids":["P3-017"]},{"id":"P3-U0192","start_char":18422,"end_char_exclusive":18711,"text":"The guy's a guy's, as I said, the guy is well known for driving boats. I've known him for decades. As I said, he's drive boats bigger than what I gave him. So, he's more than capable than bringing those passengers cuz he's he drive boats bigger than my boat. Double engine, center console.","reading_block_ids":["P3-017"]},{"id":"P3-U0193","start_char":18715,"end_char_exclusive":19227,"text":"Yeah. But for 11 years he was doing so without the legal authorization to do so. And you have engaged him without him having the legal authorization to be engaged in what you engaged him to do. Well, I wasn't a That's what I'm saying. I wasn't aware cuz he's not my captain. He's not my personal captain. I don't use him. I don't use him. As I tell you, the night it just happened that the other guy took his boat and went to the event. So I left with no choice and then we use him. He went. He's not my captain.","reading_block_ids":["P3-018"]},{"id":"P3-U0194","start_char":19231,"end_char_exclusive":19454,"text":"And it never occurred to you to find out whether he's licensed to be on the water driving a boat like that. Never occurred to you to to do any checks or to inquire whether he's licensed to do what you were asking him to do.","reading_block_ids":["P3-018"]},{"id":"P3-U0195","start_char":19458,"end_char_exclusive":19660,"text":"I've never made any check on whether he can do it. But from my knowledge, what I've seen, I gave him the benefit of the doubt that I know he can. So, as I said, that's what happened the night. And yeah,","reading_block_ids":["P3-018"]},{"id":"P3-U0196","start_char":19664,"end_char_exclusive":19815,"text":"Mr. Pascal, you said at some point you would have asked Tyson to take it easy because you felt with the sea conditions he was operating a bit too fast.","reading_block_ids":["P3-018"]},{"id":"P3-U0197","start_char":19819,"end_char_exclusive":19830,"text":"Yes, I did.","reading_block_ids":["P3-019"]},{"id":"P3-U0198","start_char":19834,"end_char_exclusive":19848,"text":"Did he comply?","reading_block_ids":["P3-019"]},{"id":"P3-U0199","start_char":19852,"end_char_exclusive":20006,"text":"Yes, he did immediately. Can you tell us by way of identifying a point a point along the shoreline a point along the coast where that would have happened?","reading_block_ids":["P3-019"]},{"id":"P3-U0200","start_char":20010,"end_char_exclusive":20569,"text":"Um I'll say around Winjama area live wind jama. So it wasn't not it wasn't too far away from when we just left around Winjama area and about in terms of time about how long before the accident would you say that was? um be honest being honest from the time I told him not that we started driving he started driving at a more moderate speed so I think we took like maybe I'll say maybe close to an hour to reach before the the um the accident maybe 50 approximate 50 to an hour 50 minutes to an hour uh You indicated that one Mado would have been your lookout.","reading_block_ids":["P3-019"]},{"id":"P3-U0201","start_char":20573,"end_char_exclusive":20601,"text":"Yes, I could attest to that.","reading_block_ids":["P3-019"]},{"id":"P3-U0202","start_char":20605,"end_char_exclusive":20679,"text":"Where does the lookout usually place him or herself? 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Now I want to I want to draw a distinction here.","reading_block_ids":["P3-021"]},{"id":"P3-U0227","start_char":22740,"end_char_exclusive":22757,"text":"Yeah, no problem.","reading_block_ids":["P3-021"]},{"id":"P3-U0228","start_char":22761,"end_char_exclusive":22839,"text":"Earlier you said that um the trip on the night in question was not commercial.","reading_block_ids":["P3-021"]},{"id":"P3-U0229","start_char":22843,"end_char_exclusive":22847,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-021"]},{"id":"P3-U0230","start_char":22851,"end_char_exclusive":23188,"text":"It was not a paid trip. Well, um, a two two or three. No, it was how would I say Taylor and her boyfriend, but Taylor was the person who gave me some funds for bringing them up. Because what what what the distinction I want to make, you said um you would sometimes or most times adhere to safety protocols such as briefings and the like.","reading_block_ids":["P3-021"]},{"id":"P3-U0231","start_char":23192,"end_char_exclusive":23196,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-021"]},{"id":"P3-U0232","start_char":23200,"end_char_exclusive":23220,"text":"When you have guests","reading_block_ids":["P3-021"]},{"id":"P3-U0233","start_char":23224,"end_char_exclusive":23228,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-022"]},{"id":"P3-U0234","start_char":23232,"end_char_exclusive":23244,"text":"on on trips.","reading_block_ids":["P3-022"]},{"id":"P3-U0235","start_char":23248,"end_char_exclusive":23252,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-022"]},{"id":"P3-U0236","start_char":23256,"end_char_exclusive":23288,"text":"I take it that that's for money.","reading_block_ids":["P3-022"]},{"id":"P3-U0237","start_char":23292,"end_char_exclusive":23296,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-022"]},{"id":"P3-U0238","start_char":23300,"end_char_exclusive":23340,"text":"When you have people on board for money.","reading_block_ids":["P3-022"]},{"id":"P3-U0239","start_char":23344,"end_char_exclusive":23375,"text":"It's not for money. 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In your estimation, you say that the lookout was seated in a position where ought where he ought to have been able to see everything happening ahead.","reading_block_ids":["P3-023"]},{"id":"P3-U0261","start_char":25163,"end_char_exclusive":25287,"text":"Um, that's that I cannot tell you, but I know where he was sitting. He could have seen anything that coming in front of you.","reading_block_ids":["P3-023"]},{"id":"P3-U0262","start_char":25291,"end_char_exclusive":25295,"text":"Yes.","reading_block_ids":["P3-024"]},{"id":"P3-U0263","start_char":25299,"end_char_exclusive":25402,"text":"Would would would you be able to explain at all? And you said he never gave any warning to the captain.","reading_block_ids":["P3-024"]},{"id":"P3-U0264","start_char":25406,"end_char_exclusive":25419,"text":"Pick up Adam.","reading_block_ids":["P3-024"]},{"id":"P3-U0265","start_char":25423,"end_char_exclusive":25472,"text":"You said he never gave any warning to the captain","reading_block_ids":["P3-024"]},{"id":"P3-U0266","start_char":25476,"end_char_exclusive":25523,"text":"because he never saw nothing appro approaching.","reading_block_ids":["P3-024"]},{"id":"P3-U0267","start_char":25527,"end_char_exclusive":25596,"text":"Good. Would you be able to explain at all why that was? So maybe just","reading_block_ids":["P3-024"]},{"id":"P3-U0268","start_char":25600,"end_char_exclusive":25742,"text":"Would you be able to explain at all why? Have you had any discussion with him on that? 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Your vessel is involved in a boating collision.","reading_block_ids":["P3-024"]},{"id":"P3-U0275","start_char":25999,"end_char_exclusive":26059,"text":"Mhm. where four persons have lost their lives unfortunately.","reading_block_ids":["P3-024"]},{"id":"P3-U0276","start_char":26063,"end_char_exclusive":26067,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-024"]},{"id":"P3-U0277","start_char":26071,"end_char_exclusive":26209,"text":"And as the lookout, you have not made it your business to find out from him what happened on that night, what he saw, what he did not see.","reading_block_ids":["P3-024"]},{"id":"P3-U0278","start_char":26213,"end_char_exclusive":26398,"text":"Well, the captain the captain think the captain asked him, you know, was he able to see anything? He said he never saw anything. But not you. You didn't have that conversation with him.","reading_block_ids":["P3-024"]},{"id":"P3-U0279","start_char":26402,"end_char_exclusive":26504,"text":"No, I haven't. No. From where you were seated on the vessel, how far ahead of you could you have seen?","reading_block_ids":["P3-025"]},{"id":"P3-U0280","start_char":26508,"end_char_exclusive":26524,"text":"Repeat yourself.","reading_block_ids":["P3-025"]},{"id":"P3-U0281","start_char":26528,"end_char_exclusive":26554,"text":"From where you were seated","reading_block_ids":["P3-025"]},{"id":"P3-U0282","start_char":26558,"end_char_exclusive":26786,"text":"on the vessel, how far ahead of you could you have seen? Um, well, the bow of the boat and the lights on the shoreline, not at the front of me because I couldn't see where I'm seated. I can I can see anything at the front of me.","reading_block_ids":["P3-025"]},{"id":"P3-U0283","start_char":26790,"end_char_exclusive":26826,"text":"So you could not see beyond the bow?","reading_block_ids":["P3-025"]},{"id":"P3-U0284","start_char":26830,"end_char_exclusive":27224,"text":"No, I couldn't see nothing beyond the bow. In your experience as a boat owner, as one who has been out there on the sea on similar trips, um, is it a common thing or should I say, do you know of any other instances where a lookout would be in your estimation perfectly placed? to possibly see what was happening ahead yet did not. Do you know of any other such incidents? Is it something common","reading_block_ids":["P3-025"]},{"id":"P3-U0285","start_char":27228,"end_char_exclusive":27256,"text":"what this incident happened?","reading_block_ids":["P3-025"]},{"id":"P3-U0286","start_char":27260,"end_char_exclusive":27460,"text":"No. No. That a lookout can be perfectly positioned on the vessel yet not able to pick up danger ahead. Is that something for for some reason in in in maritime travel that can happen? That is possible.","reading_block_ids":["P3-025"]},{"id":"P3-U0287","start_char":27464,"end_char_exclusive":27635,"text":"Well, in the day in the daytime, well, in the night time, if person doesn't have a light that nowhere a lookout could see something that's coming, it doesn't have a light.","reading_block_ids":["P3-026"]},{"id":"P3-U0288","start_char":27639,"end_char_exclusive":28018,"text":"But would that also not depend on visibility? Well, as I said, it was the visibility was a little a little poor as well, but it was enough to see. Was enough to see because as I said, I was seeing on the shoreline just that it was just dark that day. The visibility was enough to see. It was clear enough to see. But I'm asking have have you ever performed the role of a lookout?","reading_block_ids":["P3-026"]},{"id":"P3-U0289","start_char":28022,"end_char_exclusive":28064,"text":"Um yes I before I become a boat owner have","reading_block_ids":["P3-026"]},{"id":"P3-U0290","start_char":28068,"end_char_exclusive":28102,"text":"um at night around that same time.","reading_block_ids":["P3-026"]},{"id":"P3-U0291","start_char":28106,"end_char_exclusive":28114,"text":"Daytime.","reading_block_ids":["P3-026"]},{"id":"P3-U0292","start_char":28118,"end_char_exclusive":28131,"text":"Only daytime.","reading_block_ids":["P3-026"]},{"id":"P3-U0293","start_char":28135,"end_char_exclusive":28376,"text":"Daytime. Yeah. Yeah. Can you describe the impact in terms of force? Well, as I said, in terms of force, I cannot answer that based on my hearing problem. So, as I said earlier on, I just heard a I heard a sound. I don't know how loud it was.","reading_block_ids":["P3-026"]},{"id":"P3-U0294","start_char":28380,"end_char_exclusive":28437,"text":"Okay. So, let me let me ask you the question another way.","reading_block_ids":["P3-026"]},{"id":"P3-U0295","start_char":28441,"end_char_exclusive":28475,"text":"So, the two vessels have collided.","reading_block_ids":["P3-026"]},{"id":"P3-U0296","start_char":28479,"end_char_exclusive":28483,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0297","start_char":28487,"end_char_exclusive":28564,"text":"How how heavy was you? I'm sure you would have jolted. You would have jerked.","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0298","start_char":28568,"end_char_exclusive":28575,"text":"Yeah. I","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0299","start_char":28579,"end_char_exclusive":28627,"text":"How how how heavy was that from your standpoint?","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0300","start_char":28631,"end_char_exclusive":28664,"text":"And what rate you looking at like","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0301","start_char":28668,"end_char_exclusive":28698,"text":"I don't know. You tell me. I I","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0302","start_char":28702,"end_char_exclusive":29026,"text":"no but I I can just say because from where I was seated I was seated right um in front of the captain the seat in front of the console that's where I was seated after the impact I flew over onto the second seat. So just a seat apart from where I was seated. So you could just imagine the impact what that would send me over.","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0303","start_char":29030,"end_char_exclusive":29067,"text":"Is that a seat forward or a sit back?","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0304","start_char":29071,"end_char_exclusive":29090,"text":"No, a seat forward.","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0305","start_char":29094,"end_char_exclusive":29221,"text":"A seat forward. We have the second seat. So after you asked your captain to slow down a near wind jammer, you said he complied.","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0306","start_char":29225,"end_char_exclusive":29316,"text":"Yeah. Yeah, he did. He did. Did he at any point after that compliance after he slowed down?","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0307","start_char":29320,"end_char_exclusive":29324,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0308","start_char":29328,"end_char_exclusive":29373,"text":"Did he at any point increase his speed again?","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0309","start_char":29377,"end_char_exclusive":29729,"text":"No, he didn't. Even um at the time when I tell him slow down, he did he he did slow down. And there was a next there was a next um how would I say that? There's a next time we had to stop to take the live vest for one of the guys that asked for the live vest. And that person would have asked for the life vest after you asked the captain to slow down.","reading_block_ids":["P3-027"]},{"id":"P3-U0310","start_char":29733,"end_char_exclusive":29907,"text":"No, no, no, no. When I when I tell the captain slow down because of the swells of the sea, he didn't ask for it. You know, he asked for it maybe I'll say 10 20 minutes after.","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0311","start_char":29911,"end_char_exclusive":30023,"text":"Yeah, that's what I'm asking. So, he would have asked for the life vest after you asked the captain to slow down","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0312","start_char":30027,"end_char_exclusive":30074,"text":"after. Not immediately, but after. Yeah, after.","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0313","start_char":30078,"end_char_exclusive":30207,"text":"It wasn't even the one who asked me for the live vest. It was his girlfriend that asked me for the live saw him which was Taylor.","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0314","start_char":30211,"end_char_exclusive":30240,"text":"What's the girlfriend's name?","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0315","start_char":30244,"end_char_exclusive":30257,"text":"Taylor River.","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0316","start_char":30261,"end_char_exclusive":30268,"text":"Taylor.","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0317","start_char":30272,"end_char_exclusive":30325,"text":"Taylor. Yeah. Heat. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Pascal.","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0318","start_char":30329,"end_char_exclusive":30344,"text":"You're welcome.","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0319","start_char":30348,"end_char_exclusive":30474,"text":"Yeah, Mr. Excuse me. I want to come back to to the issue of the person who captained your boat and what you did or did not do.","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0320","start_char":30478,"end_char_exclusive":30643,"text":"Mhm. I am concerned about the fact that you had somebody captain in your boat carrying nine persons on board the boat whose captain's license expired 9 11 years ago.","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0321","start_char":30647,"end_char_exclusive":30826,"text":"Mhm. And you did nothing to you did no sort of check or nothing to ascertain whether this person in whose hands you were putting nine persons had the authority to drive that boat.","reading_block_ids":["P3-028"]},{"id":"P3-U0322","start_char":30830,"end_char_exclusive":31294,"text":"But what I'm saying is that I'm not aware that he doesn't have a license for period of time. You did nothing to ascertain to to ensure that before you put the lives of nine persons in the hands of this man that he was in fact qualified to captain a boat. Well, at at that time, as I said, it's you know, event we going to and it's not, you know, people we we um how would I say guess about you speak about this as if well, I mean, since it's a fat you're going to,","reading_block_ids":["P3-029"]},{"id":"P3-U0323","start_char":31298,"end_char_exclusive":31413,"text":"it's it's not as if people's lives are involved in that. Four people died, you know, as a result of that collision.","reading_block_ids":["P3-029"]},{"id":"P3-U0324","start_char":31417,"end_char_exclusive":31829,"text":"It's nothing to be taken lightly, you know, that yeah, we're just going to affect. So, that's okay. It's not okay. Security briefings and safety protocols. Safety briefings and protocols are to be carried out precisely to avoid what happened happening. 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Go to slasper, they was asking me for um, I think a grid two uh, grid two or grid grid three or grid two captain. And then at that point I end up um because I wanted to insure the boat. So I end up calling um Graham Mafra. Graham Mafra I could recall that I end up he has a higher grid than Dariel. So I end up putting him as the captain and I had um Darl as the crew.","reading_block_ids":["P3-033"]},{"id":"P3-U0372","start_char":36586,"end_char_exclusive":36635,"text":"Right. 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But he's legit. He could still run in the water. I am still asking if he was legit why would Slasp refuse him.","reading_block_ids":["P3-036"]},{"id":"P3-U0425","start_char":38957,"end_char_exclusive":39133,"text":"You asked that question to you would take that into um Slash bags them why that you all have to make that research. I don't know. I don't know for what reason they told me such","reading_block_ids":["P3-036"]},{"id":"P3-U0426","start_char":39137,"end_char_exclusive":39162,"text":"yeah he has yeah he would","reading_block_ids":["P3-036"]},{"id":"P3-U0427","start_char":39166,"end_char_exclusive":39207,"text":"that's not a question I could answer why.","reading_block_ids":["P3-036"]},{"id":"P3-U0428","start_char":39211,"end_char_exclusive":39242,"text":"So yeah but Darl Mafi Darl Paul","reading_block_ids":["P3-036"]},{"id":"P3-U0429","start_char":39246,"end_char_exclusive":39287,"text":"Paul has a boat license. 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He cannot be your regular boat captain.","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0439","start_char":40330,"end_char_exclusive":40334,"text":"Yep.","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0440","start_char":40338,"end_char_exclusive":40363,"text":"Are you agreeing with me?","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0441","start_char":40367,"end_char_exclusive":40394,"text":"That's the law and I agree.","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0442","start_char":40398,"end_char_exclusive":40441,"text":"But I know once you have a a a captain like","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0443","start_char":40445,"end_char_exclusive":40498,"text":"So So you are saying that Darl Paul has his own boat.","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0444","start_char":40502,"end_char_exclusive":40511,"text":"Bigger P.","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0445","start_char":40515,"end_char_exclusive":40542,"text":"Darl Paul has his own boat.","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0446","start_char":40546,"end_char_exclusive":40581,"text":"Yeah, you do have a boat right now.","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0447","start_char":40585,"end_char_exclusive":40600,"text":"He owns a boat.","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0448","start_char":40604,"end_char_exclusive":40617,"text":"Yeah, he has.","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0449","start_char":40621,"end_char_exclusive":40646,"text":"And he captains his boat.","reading_block_ids":["P3-037"]},{"id":"P3-U0450","start_char":40650,"end_char_exclusive":40716,"text":"Well, yeah, he has a boat. 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I've registered my boat as Darl Paul as my captain with no issue with Slasper. I just just recently they just tell me that um Darl will need a higher grade or whatever they said. But I've always Daryl have been my captain for two three years with no issue. He's been the one on my insurance as the captain and you could check the files.","reading_block_ids":["P3-038"]},{"id":"P3-U0455","start_char":41563,"end_char_exclusive":41607,"text":"And we and we talking about the same vessel.","reading_block_ids":["P3-038"]},{"id":"P3-U0456","start_char":41611,"end_char_exclusive":41615,"text":"Yes.","reading_block_ids":["P3-038"]},{"id":"P3-U0457","start_char":41619,"end_char_exclusive":41708,"text":"An upgrade to your vessel that would have caused you to ask him for an upgrading license.","reading_block_ids":["P3-038"]},{"id":"P3-U0458","start_char":41712,"end_char_exclusive":42038,"text":"No, cuz Junior I haven't upgraded my boat. That's the only boat I've I've bought and that's the only boat I have right now. So how would it be upgraded? Daryl Paul have been my captain for two three years now. From the time I started operating, Daryl has been the one as the captain. So I don't that's why I try and understand","reading_block_ids":["P3-038"]},{"id":"P3-U0459","start_char":42042,"end_char_exclusive":42137,"text":"did not register him as your captain as a captain because he he was not to the requisite grade.","reading_block_ids":["P3-039"]},{"id":"P3-U0460","start_char":42141,"end_char_exclusive":42146,"text":"Well,","reading_block_ids":["P3-039"]},{"id":"P3-U0461","start_char":42150,"end_char_exclusive":42215,"text":"isn't that what you said? Yes, that's what that's what they said.","reading_block_ids":["P3-039"]},{"id":"P3-U0462","start_char":42219,"end_char_exclusive":42314,"text":"Yeah, that's what you told us. We haven't we haven't heard from Slasbar. 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But it's like my it's it's like my car it's like my car being insured or they don't run commensurate. They don't usually they can't run commensurate. The","reading_block_ids":["P3-041"]},{"id":"P3-U0490","start_char":44725,"end_char_exclusive":44849,"text":"driver's license expire can expire before the insurance. Yeah. 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You just use his name to get your license.","reading_block_ids":["P3-041"]},{"id":"P3-U0496","start_char":45162,"end_char_exclusive":45166,"text":"Yes.","reading_block_ids":["P3-041"]},{"id":"P3-U0497","start_char":45170,"end_char_exclusive":45191,"text":"But you never use it.","reading_block_ids":["P3-042"]},{"id":"P3-U0498","start_char":45195,"end_char_exclusive":45221,"text":"You never drive that boat.","reading_block_ids":["P3-042"]},{"id":"P3-U0499","start_char":45225,"end_char_exclusive":45374,"text":"You never use him to actually do what you in the put on the the phone. just use his name. I, you know, I just use his name. I He never drive my boat.","reading_block_ids":["P3-042"]},{"id":"P3-U0500","start_char":45378,"end_char_exclusive":45400,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Pascal.","reading_block_ids":["P3-042"]},{"id":"P3-U0501","start_char":45404,"end_char_exclusive":45419,"text":"You're welcome.","reading_block_ids":["P3-042"]},{"id":"P3-U0502","start_char":45423,"end_char_exclusive":45470,"text":"Good day, Mr. Pascal. How are you? How are you?","reading_block_ids":["P3-042"]},{"id":"P3-U0503","start_char":45474,"end_char_exclusive":45483,"text":"I'm good.","reading_block_ids":["P3-042"]},{"id":"P3-U0504","start_char":45487,"end_char_exclusive":46395,"text":"Okay. So I have I have a bit of an interesting view into what you were discussing. But even before I go through my questions to you, I want to bring something to your attention. as the owner of a vessel. And by reason of law, there is a certain level of responsibility that you have on your hand being the owner of a vessel. And that law reads that nothing in those rules or the laws, excuse shall exonerate any vessel, the owner, the master, the crew, or the crew thereof from the neglect, the consequences of any neglect to comply with the law or the neglect of any precautionary measure. which may be required by the ordinary practice of seammanship and the special circumstances. So if I may bring you closer to what our chairman was trying to get from you and Commissioner Defrites is that you are fully aware as the owner of the vessel that the person in which you register the vessel to be the captain","reading_block_ids":["P3-042"]},{"id":"P3-U0505","start_char":46399,"end_char_exclusive":46403,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-043"]},{"id":"P3-U0506","start_char":46407,"end_char_exclusive":46460,"text":"is not the one operating the vessel. 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Thank you. according to the the paper from the St. Lucia and support authority the direct the division of maritime affairs right you Irenus Pascal have registered as the master of the vessel the person in charge of that vessel whose lives are dependent upon","reading_block_ids":["P3-043"]},{"id":"P3-U0516","start_char":47289,"end_char_exclusive":47311,"text":"as Grum's Matthew Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-043"]},{"id":"P3-U0517","start_char":47315,"end_char_exclusive":47330,"text":"That's correct.","reading_block_ids":["P3-043"]},{"id":"P3-U0518","start_char":47334,"end_char_exclusive":47381,"text":"Mhm. But you clearly stated that Mr. Matthew is","reading_block_ids":["P3-043"]},{"id":"P3-U0519","start_char":47385,"end_char_exclusive":47404,"text":"important verbally.","reading_block_ids":["P3-043"]},{"id":"P3-U0520","start_char":47408,"end_char_exclusive":47424,"text":"We need to hear.","reading_block_ids":["P3-044"]},{"id":"P3-U0521","start_char":47428,"end_char_exclusive":47449,"text":"Oh, okay. Understood.","reading_block_ids":["P3-044"]},{"id":"P3-U0522","start_char":47453,"end_char_exclusive":47472,"text":"Yeah, I understood.","reading_block_ids":["P3-044"]},{"id":"P3-U0523","start_char":47476,"end_char_exclusive":47604,"text":"Right. So you have on the division of maritime affairs from the St. Lucia and support authority which is commonly called Slasper","reading_block_ids":["P3-044"]},{"id":"P3-U0524","start_char":47608,"end_char_exclusive":47679,"text":"that you are the lawful owner of Kazola Jr. is that correct? 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I didn't take it as a question. Thank you. So, I'm still going back to navigational terms with you and I believe Commissioner Defrites was trying to understand what you were not bringing out. Your vessel is equipped with a 115 horsepower 115 or 150.","reading_block_ids":["P3-044"]},{"id":"P3-U0537","start_char":48849,"end_char_exclusive":48852,"text":"150","reading_block_ids":["P3-045"]},{"id":"P3-U0538","start_char":48856,"end_char_exclusive":48860,"text":"150.","reading_block_ids":["P3-045"]},{"id":"P3-U0539","start_char":48864,"end_char_exclusive":48868,"text":"Yes.","reading_block_ids":["P3-045"]},{"id":"P3-U0540","start_char":48872,"end_char_exclusive":48971,"text":"You clearly indicated to commissioner defes that you took about 50. Just one second. 50 to an hour.","reading_block_ids":["P3-045"]},{"id":"P3-U0541","start_char":48975,"end_char_exclusive":49077,"text":"50 to 1 hour from when I tell the guy to stop. 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I know what you're talking the big rock outside of Brazil.","reading_block_ids":["P3-046"]},{"id":"P3-U0571","start_char":51073,"end_char_exclusive":51107,"text":"Outside of Win Jama that area just","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0572","start_char":51111,"end_char_exclusive":51123,"text":"Yes, we pass","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0573","start_char":51127,"end_char_exclusive":51276,"text":"between we pass to the shoreline like close to the shoreline. But this light, you did not see the rock, but the rock is fitted with a flashing light.","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0574","start_char":51280,"end_char_exclusive":51503,"text":"I didn't see the I didn't see that rocket. And Slasper ensure that that light I think you have two flashes every 5 seconds to indicate the presence of the rock. It's what you call a navigational aid, but you did not see it.","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0575","start_char":51507,"end_char_exclusive":51522,"text":"Well, I didn't.","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0576","start_char":51526,"end_char_exclusive":51611,"text":"So, my other question to you, you did not see the rock, but you had Mr. your lookout.","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0577","start_char":51615,"end_char_exclusive":51619,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0578","start_char":51623,"end_char_exclusive":51649,"text":"Sitting almost on the bow.","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0579","start_char":51653,"end_char_exclusive":51657,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0580","start_char":51661,"end_char_exclusive":51693,"text":"Did he receive any major injury?","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0581","start_char":51697,"end_char_exclusive":51715,"text":"Did he receive any","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0582","start_char":51719,"end_char_exclusive":51774,"text":"any major injury as a result of the accident? Actually,","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0583","start_char":51778,"end_char_exclusive":52028,"text":"um from what I saw, yeah, he had received some blows to his his knee. He had a um how you call that? Uh how you calling that? A crutch. He had a crutch. But those guys don't take those things serious. He he I saw he was in I saw he had some some some","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0584","start_char":52032,"end_char_exclusive":52301,"text":"some injuries. So from what commissioner defes was asking you we were trying and we are still trying to establish how could someone sit at that point if you look at the magnitude. Have you seen your vessel since the accident? Have you seen your boat since the accident?","reading_block_ids":["P3-047"]},{"id":"P3-U0585","start_char":52305,"end_char_exclusive":52321,"text":"Repeat yourself.","reading_block_ids":["P3-048"]},{"id":"P3-U0586","start_char":52325,"end_char_exclusive":52368,"text":"Have you seen your boat since the accident?","reading_block_ids":["P3-048"]},{"id":"P3-U0587","start_char":52372,"end_char_exclusive":52446,"text":"Yes I've seen Well, I've seen pictures. The boat itself. Have you seen it?","reading_block_ids":["P3-048"]},{"id":"P3-U0588","start_char":52450,"end_char_exclusive":52475,"text":"Yeah, I've seen pictures.","reading_block_ids":["P3-048"]},{"id":"P3-U0589","start_char":52479,"end_char_exclusive":52548,"text":"The boat. Have you seen the boat itself? The boat. The physical boat.","reading_block_ids":["P3-048"]},{"id":"P3-U0590","start_char":52552,"end_char_exclusive":52590,"text":"Like which boat? My boat or your boat?","reading_block_ids":["P3-048"]},{"id":"P3-U0591","start_char":52594,"end_char_exclusive":52604,"text":"Your boat.","reading_block_ids":["P3-048"]},{"id":"P3-U0592","start_char":52608,"end_char_exclusive":52651,"text":"My boat. I've seen it on photo on on phone.","reading_block_ids":["P3-048"]},{"id":"P3-U0593","start_char":52655,"end_char_exclusive":52691,"text":"But you've not seen the boat itself?","reading_block_ids":["P3-048"]},{"id":"P3-U0594","start_char":52695,"end_char_exclusive":53015,"text":"No, I haven't gone to see the boat ever since. But if you look at the magnitude of the destruction or the the damage to the boat, the entire portion of the bow towards the starboard side, which is the Raj side, is damaged, which means your lookout would have received severe damage or possibly died during the collision.","reading_block_ids":["P3-048"]},{"id":"P3-U0595","start_char":53019,"end_char_exclusive":53335,"text":"Well, on what side it was? He was on the left hand side. The impact was more like on the on the right hand side. He was on that side of the boat. They say that's the boat. He was on that side. All impact was there. He was one of the guys who flew outside of the boat. He was flew outside of the boat from the impact.","reading_block_ids":["P3-048"]},{"id":"P3-U0596","start_char":53339,"end_char_exclusive":53430,"text":"But it it still does not give us the idea how he could have been seated in a specific area.","reading_block_ids":["P3-049"]},{"id":"P3-U0597","start_char":53434,"end_char_exclusive":53438,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-049"]},{"id":"P3-U0598","start_char":53442,"end_char_exclusive":53608,"text":"And would not have seen anything. And to compound the matter, you have not found it fit to ask him as the boat owner because that would have been your responsibility.","reading_block_ids":["P3-049"]},{"id":"P3-U0599","start_char":53612,"end_char_exclusive":53616,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-049"]},{"id":"P3-U0600","start_char":53620,"end_char_exclusive":53719,"text":"So would you say that you have failed in your responsibility? You would agree with me that you have","reading_block_ids":["P3-049"]},{"id":"P3-U0601","start_char":53723,"end_char_exclusive":53729,"text":"I feel","reading_block_ids":["P3-049"]},{"id":"P3-U0602","start_char":53733,"end_char_exclusive":54167,"text":"just wait. You would have agree with me that you have failed with your responsibility to ask the lookout what did he see? Did he see anything or what happened? Well, as I said, I haven't asked him, but from what the cap the captain has been questioning him and he's been saying that he didn't see anything. That's what he's been saying. But for me to go and ask him any question, I haven't asked him any question. But the captain did.","reading_block_ids":["P3-049"]},{"id":"P3-U0603","start_char":54171,"end_char_exclusive":54237,"text":"So I am speaking in the context of you as the owner of the vessel.","reading_block_ids":["P3-049"]},{"id":"P3-U0604","start_char":54241,"end_char_exclusive":54245,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-049"]},{"id":"P3-U0605","start_char":54249,"end_char_exclusive":54309,"text":"Because remember here four individual lost their lives. Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-049"]},{"id":"P3-U0606","start_char":54313,"end_char_exclusive":54856,"text":"And to me, from the 18th of July to now, it would be rather strange that you have not as your lookout anything concerning what he may have seen or not. July, August, September, October. Well, as I said, I heard cuz we always among each other and you know, sometimes the topic come ups and you know, so I've known you know what was being said. But for me see I asked him I have not but I've already heard like what transpired like if if he saw anything if he didn't see anything and you know what he's been saying he didn't see anything coming.","reading_block_ids":["P3-049"]},{"id":"P3-U0607","start_char":54860,"end_char_exclusive":54922,"text":"So we remain on navigational terms because the lookout failed.","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0608","start_char":54926,"end_char_exclusive":54930,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0609","start_char":54934,"end_char_exclusive":55028,"text":"The lights apparently did not assist. So I am going on basic navigational procedures with you.","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0610","start_char":55032,"end_char_exclusive":55096,"text":"Mhm. If your vessel were traveling at how many RPMs did you say?","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0611","start_char":55100,"end_char_exclusive":55229,"text":"I'm not sure. I'm not the captain to be honest. I didn't say how many RPM it was traveling. I've never said I've never said that.","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0612","start_char":55233,"end_char_exclusive":55238,"text":"Okay.","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0613","start_char":55242,"end_char_exclusive":55338,"text":"I've never never said boots traveling at whatever RPM. I haven't said that. I'm not the captain.","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0614","start_char":55342,"end_char_exclusive":55397,"text":"So, you have no idea. Have you ever driven that vessel?","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0615","start_char":55401,"end_char_exclusive":55498,"text":"Well, I've driven it. I've driven it, but I don't know how much RPM he was driving at that night.","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0616","start_char":55502,"end_char_exclusive":55632,"text":"Because based on based on what based on what you're trying to describe here is that if you use the basic navigational calculations","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0617","start_char":55636,"end_char_exclusive":55640,"text":"Mhm.","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0618","start_char":55644,"end_char_exclusive":55703,"text":"the speed, the time, the distance is not matching. It's not","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0619","start_char":55707,"end_char_exclusive":56342,"text":"like what speed and what that not matching. I haven't said anything about speed. I said the guy was driving at a moderate speed. Well, yes, we were driving at a moderate speed and that's the time we took. That's the time it happened. So maybe I might like the time phrase we left maybe might be wrong because I say approximately, you know, I wasn't cuz at the time that happened there sometimes you wouldn't check your time to see what time you left. It's just assuming like what time we left. So on my ends, you know, you cannot blame me because I at the moment when we left, I didn't check time. I just said, you know, we left around","reading_block_ids":["P3-050"]},{"id":"P3-U0620","start_char":56346,"end_char_exclusive":56366,"text":"approximately 10:45.","reading_block_ids":["P3-051"]},{"id":"P3-U0621","start_char":56370,"end_char_exclusive":56499,"text":"Yeah, around that time. So it could be. But would it would it always take you an hour, hour and 15 minutes from Gilelay to Sufre?","reading_block_ids":["P3-051"]},{"id":"P3-U0622","start_char":56503,"end_char_exclusive":56919,"text":"Well, it depend on how you move. If it's a direct ride sometimes from suare to run there depend on the water some it will take you maybe an hour 30 minutes hour 25 it depend how you moving what engine not behind you you understand it depend it depend how fast you going what stops you making so it depend So, and I'm still I I'm still telling you that the the time the distance times multiply time speed is distance.","reading_block_ids":["P3-051"]},{"id":"P3-U0623","start_char":56923,"end_char_exclusive":56992,"text":"Distance. If you're an owner of a boat, this it's simple calculation.","reading_block_ids":["P3-051"]},{"id":"P3-U0624","start_char":56996,"end_char_exclusive":57093,"text":"Mhm. If you travel from point A to point B at such a speed, it will take you that amount of time.","reading_block_ids":["P3-051"]},{"id":"P3-U0625","start_char":57097,"end_char_exclusive":57418,"text":"Yeah. Well, as I said, where we left from point A, it was about that time. Approximately that time when we get to the place when the incident happened, most people say it was around 11:55. But I'm saying what I could assume how long we take from point A to point B, I'd say within the range of 50 to an hour. Around that.","reading_block_ids":["P3-051"]},{"id":"P3-U0626","start_char":57422,"end_char_exclusive":57436,"text":"50 to an hour.","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0627","start_char":57440,"end_char_exclusive":57444,"text":"Yes.","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0628","start_char":57448,"end_char_exclusive":57491,"text":"So what did you do immediately upon impact?","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0629","start_char":57495,"end_char_exclusive":57497,"text":"Um","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0630","start_char":57501,"end_char_exclusive":57528,"text":"as the owner of the vessel.","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0631","start_char":57532,"end_char_exclusive":57613,"text":"Well um what happened? Tyson. Tyson end up going assist after we heard some help.","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0632","start_char":57617,"end_char_exclusive":57633,"text":"What did you do?","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0633","start_char":57637,"end_char_exclusive":57660,"text":"That's what I'm saying.","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0634","start_char":57664,"end_char_exclusive":57684,"text":"You What did you do?","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0635","start_char":57688,"end_char_exclusive":58326,"text":"I went behind the I went behind the stair. I went behind the stair and try and bring the boat closer to shore cuz there was still passengers on board. So my intention was to try and bring the boat closer. So I went behind the stair. um Jonel which is Movado went behind the um the engine because at the time the steering it wasn't turning like everything had already disconnected but the engine was still on so Jel Movado went on control but I wasn't putting too much speed because you know the power of the 150 so you know I went at a little speed to try and reach closer to shore you know but we did not reach too far the boat end Same.","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0636","start_char":58330,"end_char_exclusive":58358,"text":"Did you try to reach anybody","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0637","start_char":58362,"end_char_exclusive":58372,"text":"like call?","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0638","start_char":58376,"end_char_exclusive":58496,"text":"Yes. Um, so when the boat sunk, I grab a live vest and then I swim to the nearest boat which was a a catamaran or yacht.","reading_block_ids":["P3-052"]},{"id":"P3-U0639","start_char":58500,"end_char_exclusive":58505,"text":"Okay.","reading_block_ids":["P3-053"]},{"id":"P3-U0640","start_char":58509,"end_char_exclusive":58528,"text":"Or you may call it.","reading_block_ids":["P3-053"]},{"id":"P3-U0641","start_char":58532,"end_char_exclusive":58549,"text":"Okay. Understood.","reading_block_ids":["P3-053"]},{"id":"P3-U0642","start_char":58553,"end_char_exclusive":58581,"text":"Went to there. So that's it.","reading_block_ids":["P3-053"]},{"id":"P3-U0643","start_char":58585,"end_char_exclusive":58660,"text":"No. No. In terms of did you try to reach anybody? They were not going into.","reading_block_ids":["P3-053"]},{"id":"P3-U0644","start_char":58664,"end_char_exclusive":58788,"text":"Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So when I reached there, that's why I started making some calls. There was a guy with a phone.","reading_block_ids":["P3-053"]},{"id":"P3-U0645","start_char":58792,"end_char_exclusive":58901,"text":"I called my auntie. First person I called was my auntie and tell her that happened. So yes, I did make calls.","reading_block_ids":["P3-053"]},{"id":"P3-U0646","start_char":58905,"end_char_exclusive":59319,"text":"But as a boat owner, you would be you would be um you should be familiar with the first person you call is 999 911, the emergency services. So even if you call 999 or 911 and you explain to them what happened, they would pass you on to the marine unit, the ancillary suare police and so on. The emergency services is the first person you call because you have nine persons whose life is in danger, not your auntie.","reading_block_ids":["P3-053"]},{"id":"P3-U0647","start_char":59323,"end_char_exclusive":59448,"text":"Yeah, but at the time at the time panic mode and and and that's the only number I could remember. I didn't remember no police","reading_block_ids":["P3-053"]},{"id":"P3-U0648","start_char":59452,"end_char_exclusive":60149,"text":"911 and 91. I'm just telling you you telling me that there at the moment but in the event the the moment that happening there sometimes panic you know you you traumatize you you think is is your closest person you'll think to call so I call my auntie that's who I thought of that's the number I remembered at the time I called my auntie Because what what is key for me based on what Commissioner DJ the chairman and um commissioner defes have asked you is in terms of the documentation and the processes that that have gone by the way. But still for that we are trying to have you understand or probably put it in the open that despite all of that it it seems to be very casual for you seems to be","reading_block_ids":["P3-053"]},{"id":"P3-U0649","start_char":60153,"end_char_exclusive":60353,"text":"very casual the the mood and all of that it seems to be I am not sure if I am mistaken in my interpretation of your composure but it seems to be a very casual one that like casual about the situation.","reading_block_ids":["P3-054"]},{"id":"P3-U0650","start_char":60357,"end_char_exclusive":60361,"text":"Yes.","reading_block_ids":["P3-054"]},{"id":"P3-U0651","start_char":60365,"end_char_exclusive":60392,"text":"Uh no, I wouldn't say such.","reading_block_ids":["P3-054"]},{"id":"P3-U0652","start_char":60396,"end_char_exclusive":60915,"text":"I think um there may be other questions but um Mr. Chair probably at another One more. Yeah, thank you for your evidence. Um, I do know do hope that you've taken note of a number of things which which came from us. I'm hoping that you did take note of a number of things that were put to you or questions asked of you because there are it you may have given the impression I'm sure unintentionally but you may have given the impression that you you were a little casual about this and there yeah I'm not casual about it","reading_block_ids":["P3-054"]},{"id":"P3-U0653","start_char":60919,"end_char_exclusive":61132,"text":"and there is nothing casual in this situation I'm saying I I doubt if you intended to convey that but I'm telling you what came across to us there is that you were a little casual. You know, we do that with story.","reading_block_ids":["P3-054"]},{"id":"P3-U0654","start_char":61136,"end_char_exclusive":61171,"text":"That's what you took it as. But no,","reading_block_ids":["P3-054"]},{"id":"P3-U0655","start_char":61175,"end_char_exclusive":62004,"text":"I I'm speaking I'm speaking and I'm telling you how you came across to the commission as being a little casual about the procedures that yes, you're supposed to do that, but we do that with with guests, but we don't do that uh with with with locals. Um yes. Well, that's the what you that's what you say, that's what the papers say. This is much more serious than that. As I indicated, not just we have we have the lives of four people who were lost as a result of the collision and we have a number of incidents that have taken place, maritime incidents and accidents. All of this opportunity is being taken to explore all of that and to see what it is that has been done wrong and right and how we can correct it. And you are a boat operator and you should more than any of us here be taking this situation very very seriously.","reading_block_ids":["P3-055"]},{"id":"P3-U0656","start_char":62008,"end_char_exclusive":62403,"text":"The impact it can have on your livelihood and on the lives of others. And as I said, this is what you were giving off to us. Doesn't mean that as you sat there, that is what you intended. But in terms of the way in which you were answering questions, I'm just telling you, you were giving off, you know, let's use colloquial terms. You were giving off a vibe. That wasn't good. That wasn't cool.","reading_block_ids":["P3-055"]},{"id":"P3-U0657","start_char":62407,"end_char_exclusive":62412,"text":"Yeah.","reading_block_ids":["P3-056"]},{"id":"P3-U0658","start_char":62416,"end_char_exclusive":62546,"text":"No, but that's the honest truth. I You wanted me to lie about the whole situation. I just we clearly not understanding each other.","reading_block_ids":["P3-056"]},{"id":"P3-U0659","start_char":62550,"end_char_exclusive":62874,"text":"Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm casual like I answering the things like you know I don't it's not like I don't care and I'm casual about it. I'm just being realistic about you know how everything happened and what happened. It's not like I I casual about that's what you take it but that's not what it is with me.","reading_block_ids":["P3-056"]},{"id":"P3-U0660","start_char":62878,"end_char_exclusive":64057,"text":"Yeah. And I'm just telling you that that you were coming off in that way. That as much as I want to think that you did not intend to come off that way, that you were coming off that way. I say this for your your benefit, for your guidance, you're in a a business that that things are happening that can cause modes of operation, operational practices, procedures, regulations, legislation to be altered based on what happened. and what should have happened and what didn't happen and you you should take very seriously this incident not just for it and of itself but for the whole future of the business that you you involved in. So I want to I want to take the opportunity to tell you those things. you are a boat owner, a boat operator and what as I said what has happened not just what has happened in this incident is extremely serious but there are other things that have happened or not happened uh which this commission will address and is addressing so just be mindful of that as I said and and be very much aware that we're into some serious serious what is it pun intended okay is there anything you wanted to say to to the commission before you end your your evidence?","reading_block_ids":["P3-056"]},{"id":"P3-U0661","start_char":64061,"end_char_exclusive":64076,"text":"Uh, not really.","reading_block_ids":["P3-057"]},{"id":"P3-U0662","start_char":64080,"end_char_exclusive":64090,"text":"Very well.","reading_block_ids":["P3-057"]},{"id":"P3-U0663","start_char":64094,"end_char_exclusive":64105,"text":"Not really.","reading_block_ids":["P3-057"]},{"id":"P3-U0664","start_char":64109,"end_char_exclusive":64362,"text":"Very well. You it is possible that you may be recalled at some stage. If that is being done, you will be appropriately informed and appropriately summoned in the event that anything arises that causes the commission to require further evidence from you.","reading_block_ids":["P3-057"]},{"id":"P3-U0665","start_char":64366,"end_char_exclusive":64376,"text":"Very well.","reading_block_ids":["P3-057"]},{"id":"P3-U0666","start_char":64380,"end_char_exclusive":64466,"text":"Yeah. So the business of this commission is adjourned until tomorrow morning at 10:00.","reading_block_ids":["P3-057"]},{"id":"P3-U0667","start_char":64470,"end_char_exclusive":64492,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Pascal.","reading_block_ids":["P3-057"]}]}