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D2P1-C01 · DAY 2 · PART I · identity clarification
Romeon Williams
The second witness identifies himself as Romeon Williams; the surname ending S is explicitly confirmed.
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That's William. with an S or without? >> With a with an S. >> With an S. >> Could you state your Can you speak into the mic, please? >> Could you state your name, your address, and your occupation? >> My name is Romeon Williams. I'm from Soufriere and I'm a kitchen steward at Sugar Beach. >> Where you from? Was that Jack? Soufriere. And what job do you have at Trigger Beach? >> Kitchen Stewart.
Day 2, Part I · D2P1-P0105 (01:29:09), D2P1-P0106 (01:30:40)
D2P1-C02 · DAY 2 · PART I · corroborating testimony
Taylor Rivier; Romeon Williams
Rivier describes illuminated red and green lights at the bow; Williams recalls two colors already illuminated as the boat came to collect them at Pigeon Island.
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Can you tell us what color lights? >> Red and green. >> What can you tell us about these lights? They were at the tip of the boat all the way to the front. >> Just to be clear, we are talking about we're talking about Kaza here. >> Yes. And these lights you speak of, were they on? >> Yes, they were. Upon embarking the vessel to commence your journey back to Soufriere, Did you hear anything from the captain of that vessel
Day 2, Part I · D2P1-P0040 (00:39:06), D2P1-P0041 (00:40:17), D2P1-P0159 (02:03:33), D2P1-P0160 (02:04:14)
Rivier was looking at stars; Williams had his head down in prayer; neither saw Ocean Angel approaching.
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>> No. >> You didn't hear what sounded like a a collision of of two boats? >> It sounded like sounded normal. Like a wave. >> Like a wave? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> At impact. On impact. I mean, >> on impact. It just sounded like a wave. >> Like a wave. Yeah. >> Did you see anything prior to the impact? Any light? Any oncoming object? anything at all? >> No. My head was down. I was saying a
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D2P1-C04 · DAY 2 · PART I · safety-practice testimony
Taylor Rivier; Romeon Williams
Both passengers report no safety briefing; Williams says no life jacket was offered on boarding.
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of the ocean. When you bought it, were you offered a life jacket? >> No. >> Did you request one? >> No. >> If I may ask, why why didn't you? Yeah, the guys are not new to this. So, >> excuse me. >> The guys are not new to this. So, I trusted them. >> You trusted them. And when you say them, you're speaking specifically to reference to >> those owner, the captain.
Day 2, Part I · D2P1-P0049 (00:51:46), D2P1-P0051 (00:53:18), D2P1-P0111 (01:33:54), D2P1-P0141 (01:50:23)
D2P1-C05 · DAY 2 · PART I · corroborating testimony
Romeon Williams
Williams heard Pascal tell Tyson to take it easy; he says speed reduced immediately and stayed reduced until collision.
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than moderate speed? Is it because Mr. Pascal said to slow down? >> Yes. Anything else that prompted you to think that it was more than moderate? >> No. Since he said that. >> And when Mr. Pascal said to slow down, did um the captain reduce the speed immediately? >> Yes, he did. >> So, did the vessel continue to travel at the reduced speed up until the collision? >> Yes. And you also said that the vessel stopped so that you could have been
Day 2, Part I · D2P1-P0116 (01:36:38), D2P1-P0143 (01:51:32), D2P1-P0155 (02:00:31)
D2P1-C06 · DAY 2 · PART I · corroboration with timing differences
Taylor Rivier; Romeon Williams
Both support Taylor requesting the jacket for Romeon; Williams says Pascal fetched it and Taylor helped fit it after boat movement stopped.
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given a life jacket. Did the engine stopped completely or did the vessel simply stop moving forward? >> I wouldn't be able to tell you that, but the vessel stopped. And how long was the vessel How long did the vessel stop? Roughly 2 minutes. A minute. >> Roughly 2 minutes. >> Yeah, >> cuz I had to put on the life jacket before the party. >> And who assisted you in putting on the life jacket? >> Taylor.
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D2P1-C07 · DAY 2 · PART I · corroborating rescue testimony
Taylor Rivier; Romeon Williams
Both witnesses say Tyson swam to them and helped them reach an Ocean Angel fragment.
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>> Yes. Tyson came to us. >> I beg your pause. >> Tyson swam to us. >> Tyson swam >> to us >> from the from your boat. >> No. Yeah. He was I I believe he was still on board the boat. Yeah. >> Yeah. So he swam and met you and Taylor. That's right. >> Just the two of you. >> That's right. >> And what when he met the two of you, where did where were you all taken? >> To uh to a piece of a boat. At the time,
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D2P1-C08 · DAY 2 · PART I · communication and rescue testimony
Taylor Rivier; Romeon Williams
Romeon called Taylor's father from the fragment and signaled an approaching rescuer with his phone light; Taylor also describes Dylan signaling.
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Yes. What next happened? >> Uh, so we were waiting for a while. Maybe a few minutes after that, we saw a boat coming from the direction of Castries. So Dylan and Romeon had their flashlights on. They waved for the boat to come to us for assistance. See Dylan and Romeon had their flash files. >> Yes. Is it their flashlights or their phone lights? You said >> phone lights. Flashlights on their phone.
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D2P1-C09 · DAY 2 · PART I · rescue testimony with limits
Taylor Rivier; Romeon Williams
Both witnesses describe a very slow approach by the rescuer; nickname provisionally Kafu/Cafu, formal name and boat unresolved.
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>> Okay. Okay. So, I want to take you through a delicate process and I I just want you to be kind of mindful during the assist. What speed did the rescue vessel move through the wreckage coming to assist you all? on the five of you on the the partially damaged boat, the white the floating object. >> Um, he took his time. He came in very slow. >> From what distance? >> I cannot estimate that. >> Closer to the shore. I can tell you for
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D2P1-C10 · DAY 2 · PART I · clarified rescue sequence
Taylor Rivier; Romeon Williams
Final clarified accounts from both passengers place Dylan and Tyson on the Ocean Angel fragment as the first rescue load left.
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Dylan was on the boat when it left Can >> No, they stayed on the broken piece of Ocean Angel. That's why he had to go back to get them. >> Sorry, I didn't get that. I didn't get that. You said >> Dylan and Tyson stayed on the broken piece of Ocean Angel. That's why the rescue captain had to go back to get them. >> Dylan. And who was the other name? Tyson >> and Tyson. So you and Shakabe and Makita,
Day 2, Part I · D2P1-P0031 (00:29:55), D2P1-P0033 (00:31:36), D2P1-P0129 (01:43:52), D2P1-P0130 (01:44:23)
Taylor says Z/Miss Nestor, unsure of given name, was retrieved unresponsive and taken ashore with her; Elias Day1 recalls Debbie on his rescue boat.
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>> Uh, Makita or I'm not too sure. You found Makita Nesta alive. >> Unresponsive. >> Yes. What next happened? >> Uh from there he took us to Caneries to be offloaded. He had to go back to assist the others that stayed on the boat. So the captain of that other boat >> Mhm. >> dropped you and Roxan >> Mhm. >> Romeon was still with you. >> Yes.
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D2P1-C12 · DAY 2 · PART I · outcome and transport testimony
Taylor Rivier; Romeon Williams
Taylor and Romeon say they went by pickup from Canaries to Soufriere, later to St Jude; Romeon expressly says he had no injuries.
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>> Good afternoon, Mr. Williams. >> Good afternoon. Um before I start, did you suffer any injuries? >> No. >> In there? None at all? >> No. >> You mentioned that you don't like the ocean? >> No. >> However, and you're not a swimmer, I'm correct. >> No. So when you boarded the vessel at 4:30 or so at Soufriere Jetty, you're not a swimmer and you have a fear
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Both passengers place outbound departure near 4:30 rather than Tyson's about 3; Taylor estimates about 35 minutes return travel to impact, shorter than Pascal's estimates.
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started. Did the trip start in Soufriere or in or in Gary? >> Uh we started at Soufriere. We left around almost close to 4:30. >> Okay, just a minute. The trip started at Soufriere close to 4:30. On what vessel did you travel to Su from Soufriere? I did not know the name of the boat at the time, but Mago's boat. >> I'm sorry. >> Mr. Pascal's boat. >> You do not know the name of it up to now? >> Cazorla Junior.
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Passengers place Mavado at the front but cannot establish his assigned duty; Taylor says she was not paying attention to his vigilance.
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>> no. >> Anything between you and I I would have seen coming? >> No. >> Just to be I I need to get that answer clear. You saying that he was seated casually and not looking out or are you saying that you don't know or you don't remember? I just need to hear that very clearly. >> Um, well, it could be both cuz he was casually sitting, but being on a boat, you would look around at your surroundings. So, I'm not sure it was designated for being a lookout.
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D2P1-C15 · DAY 2 · PART I · statement-handling gap
Commission secretary; Taylor Rivier; Romeon Williams
Commission lacks both witnesses' police statements; Williams says his was typed, read back and not signed.
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>> Kitchen Stewart. Yeah, >> Mr. Chair, sorry. May I also note that u Mr. Williams did indicate that he had made a a statement to the police, but we do not have um sight of that document either. >> Thank you, Madam Secretary. So, confirming that you did make a statement to the police in relation to what happened on 18th July? >> Yes, I did. >> Did you sign that statement? >> No. >> Was the statement ever read over to you? >> Was that
Day 2, Part I · D2P1-P0005 (00:01:42), D2P1-P0006 (00:02:59), D2P1-P0107 (01:31:20), D2P1-P0108 (01:31:59)
D2P1-C16 · DAY 2 · PART I · editorial arithmetic check
Questioner; SLPA arithmetic check
A questioner uses a 14–15 nautical mile route estimate and a 45-minute journey to suggest at least 30 knots. SLPA’s conditional arithmetic gives about 18.7–20 knots for those inputs; the witness had earlier estimated 45–60 minutes.
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which is considerable speed. So it is my fair judgment to believe and we can do the calculation. It's very easy to do that based on what you may have experienced because you said you left at 4:30 approximate. >> Yeah. >> 4:30 in the afternoon. You all took about 45 minutes roughly to get there. That vessel would have to to push up at least 30 knots. So just imagine a vessel with so that vessel would have to travel at approximately 20 between 20 to 30 knots.
Day 2, Part I · D2P1-P0114 (01:35:33), D2P1-P0146 (01:53:49), D2P1-P0147 (01:54:42)
Jean Pierre Ralph Edward says he joined the southbound return journey after staying in Rodney Bay, attending Remedy and accompanying a friend he calls Wabi/Wabby. He did not travel north on Cazorla Jr. He describes himself as a passenger on this trip.
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person were you the driving the boat or somebody else >> no I was there as like a passenger >> a passenger >> but being a crew member from another vessel being a captaincertified a crew certified person, you would have seen something. >> Well, the the place I sitted, I couldn't see anything cuz it was dark. >> Okay. When you left Rodney Bay, there is a rock or a reef outside Winjama slightly. You familiar with that
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D2P2-C02 · DAY 2 · PART II · internal inconsistency
Jean Pierre Ralph Edward
Edward first says he sat on starboard, then reverses port/starboard light colours. After a commissioner explains red-port/green-starboard, he agrees he sat on the red/port side. Later he again says right-hand side.
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knowledge, the port side is red and the starboard side is green. In other words, the red side is on your left, which is the port side of the vessel. And the right side, which is green, is the opposite. >> As I see, it's a red and a green light. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So you were sitting on the side of the green or the red? >> The red. >> So which means you were sitting on the port side of the vessel. Is that correct?
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He initially identifies Windjammer as the stop for a life jacket, then corrects himself to a place transcribed as an slurry / on slurry, contextually likely Anse La Raye, and says they did not stop at Windjammer.
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the coast because you are certified. >> Sorry about it. It was an slurry slurry asked for the live vest >> on slurry. >> Yeah. >> So why did you stop at wing jama? Any particular reason? >> No we didn't stop at wjama. our answer and slowly we stop >> because it win jama have kept have been in that conversation twice so I'm just wondering did something happen at wing jamba >> no >> what speed do you estimate that your the
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He says he saw neither the other vessel nor its lights before impact and heard no warning. He describes being thrown into the sea.
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vest the guy asked for and after five minutes to 6 minutes after I we got a huge impact and after that I fly over. >> A huge impact. Was there a loud noise? >> Well, I didn't know any noise. I just like heard like a impact like a little sound of impact because I fly over the boats into the sea. Okay. And what happened while you were in the sea? Immediately I saw Taylor and a boyfriend. They asking for help. I told Tyson assist them. After that we took the boat. I swim to the boat. We bought the boat. I saw one of my friends
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D2P2-C05 · DAY 2 · PART II · direct testimony with quoted prior statement
Jean Pierre Ralph Edward
Edward says he saw Taylor and her partner asking for help, directed Tyson toward them, and saw Tyson swim to help. His police statement, read aloud, says Tyson saved them.
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boat, I swim back to the boat to help the one of my friends and the people that was on the boat cuz I saw the captain jump in the sea to help one of the people that couldn't swim. >> Yes, that is established. You clearly said that he saved Tyson, jump over the boat and saved Taylor and her husband. So that is the responsibility of a captain in the event of an incident. He tried to save as many persons as possible. So it is established that Tyson did just that. >> Yeah. Yeah, but it is also in your statement that the owner of the vessel
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D2P2-C06 · DAY 2 · PART II · documentary confrontation
Jean Pierre Ralph Edward
Edward’s oral evidence identifies only Taylor’s partner as wearing a life jacket. A commissioner reads his police statement as saying Taylor’s husband and about two others wore them. He attributes the earlier discrepancy to not remembering everything and maintains the one-wearer account.
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>> Taylor boyfriend alone? So when you said to the police in your statement that two other persons, Taylor's husband and about two other persons were the only ones wearing life jackets. >> Why? Why did you say so? >> Maybe I couldn't remember. It was I was fresh. I couldn't remember anything. I couldn't remember everything. >> So you couldn't remember everything. Yeah, cuz I know he's the only person that as for a live vest. >> So now you're saying that the only person who was wearing a live vest was
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Edward says his own experience suggests close proximity to navigation lights can impair seeing ahead. He says Mavado told him he saw nothing approaching; Edward then supplies glare as his own explanation and confirms Mavado did not tell him that.
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accident? >> Yeah, we talk about that cuz we stay the same place. >> Okay. Um >> live the same place. >> And what what what has he told you about the oncoming vessel? >> Well, he told me he didn't say anything coming. >> He said he didn't see anything coming. by muffing was the reflection of the light prevent him from seeing. >> Did he tell you that? >> He didn't tell me nothing after that. >> No, I'm saying why would you think it
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D2P2-C08 · DAY 2 · PART II · documentary clarification still pending
Jean Pierre Ralph Edward
Edward repeatedly describes himself as certified captain, then says he has a course certificate but lacks an operating card/licence. The end of questioning resolves toward completion of captain/coxswain coursework, no captain’s operating licence, and intention to pursue crew qualification. The chair orders all relevant certificates/licences delivered to Soufrière police by noon Friday 16 October.
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now? Friday the >> Yes, chairman. >> Friday 16th October. >> Yeah. Friday 16th October at 12:00 noon or by 12 noon you will deliver you will take the certificate and any other license or certificate that you have concerning the operation of boats you should make them available you take the copy to the super police station Joseph the secretary of the commission will arrange for an officer to be available to receive it from All right.
D2P2-C09 · DAY 2 · PART II · questioning hypothesis and contested answer
Jean Pierre Ralph Edward
A commissioner challenges whether moving the damaged boat toward shore put property before people. Edward responds that people were still aboard, first gives inconsistent yes/no responses to claims the owner and bow passenger failed, and the chair intervenes before the exchange moves on.
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I will say yes. >> You believe that it was the right thing for the owner of a boat to save the boat rather than to save persons in the water? >> Well, in the water, I would say in the water, it's much better saving them cuz in the boat, they in the boat already. Yes. >> If you were the captain of the vessel that evening, would you pay attention to the persons who were crying for help in the water or would you try to save your boat? >> I would um save the person in the water.
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D2P2-C10 · DAY 2 · PART II · direct testimony and cross-witness disagreement
Butcher (known as Mavado; given name unverified)
The witness introduced as Janelle/General Butcher, also acknowledging Mavado, says he joined the return trip as a passenger, sat at the bow and was not the lookout. Edward and Chris identify him as lookout; Chris eventually explains that inference rests on seat position.
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>> No. >> So you were the person way up front? >> Yeah. >> Were there anybody sitting just behind you? >> The other one. >> Who? >> Two of them sitting behind me. >> Do you know this person's by name or nickname? No. >> You think you do not know them at all? >> I don't know them because I I was Brazil and they give me a ride to go to Sufra. So I never go up on their boat. >> Do you know a gentleman by the name of
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D2P2-C11 · DAY 2 · PART II · documentary discrepancy
Butcher (known as Mavado; given name unverified)
He says he knows Tyson and saw him aboard but cannot recall him driving. His police statement is read as saying he noticed Tyson driving.
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what you said before? Because before you said you notice he was the one driving the boat and now you're saying you don't know what he was doing. So which of those two statements are correct? Well, at the time I asked them to ride. >> Can you bring the mic a little closer? Just shift it up a bit up. Right. >> At the time I asked Mango to ride. I didn't see who I was being staring. >> So Mango is the owner of the boat. >> Yeah. >> That's how you all call him. >> Yeah. >> Right.
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Butcher repeatedly says a girl received and wore the jacket. Later he explains that after handing it over he resumed facing forward, did not watch who wore it, and had assumed it was for the girl.
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>> When I give the life jacket, I sit back. So, I'm not watching what they doing. You won't you only see me back. So, I didn't I never turn to see you giving the life jacket. So, so I thought it was the girl because I know girls cannot swim. >> So, you thought it was the girl? You're not sure? >> Okay. Is that a yes or a no? >> Yes. >> So, yes. You you assume that the life jacket was for the girl? >> Yes. But you did you actually at any one
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D2P2-C13 · DAY 2 · PART II · direct perception and non-observation
Butcher (known as Mavado; given name unverified)
He recalls red and green lights, cannot confirm a white light, reports seeing no approaching boat, wake or lights, and says he was suddenly in the water.
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Mango Tours, which is Gazola Jr. >> Yeah. >> You would have seen the boat, but you probably choose not to say anything. Is that correct? >> So, what are you saying there? You trying to tell me? >> I asked No, I asked you a question. >> You trying to tell me I see the Hello. >> Yeah. >> I ask you a question. Did you see the boat just ahead of you and choose not to say anything or you did not see the boat at all? If you were at the point where you said you were
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D2P2-C14 · DAY 2 · PART II · documentary discrepancy
Butcher (known as Mavado; given name unverified)
Butcher’s police statement is read as describing reaching the steering, attempting to drive closer to shore, and the boat sinking when about two minutes from shore. Orally he says he did go to the steering but could not drive because the engine was off. Edward’s quoted statement attributes movement toward shore to Mango.
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after the accident? >> I couldn't drive it. It It wasn't driving. >> But you tried to. You went to the steering, didn't you? I went to the steering. Yeah. But I never drive the boat. >> Yeah. But you said and attempted to drive it closer to shore. When we arrive about 2 minutes from shore, the boat sunk. So at that point, who was driving the boat? >> I wasn't driving the boat because the engine wasn't
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He initially says there was a pre-departure briefing, but says he arrived as the captain was talking to people and cannot explain its content.
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briefing >> before we leave? >> Yes. And what did that briefing entail? >> Well, at the time he was giving this briefing, I just reached so I cannot explain the briefing for you, but I hear you was talking to the guys about something like when you're going down, you know. >> Can you just fix the mic so you speak into it? Thank you. So after that briefing, do you remember what time you departed Rodney Bay?
Day 2, Part II · D2P2-180 (02:04:06), D2P2-181 (02:04:55), D2P2-182 (02:05:35)
Chris, surname transcribed Jabatis/Jabbatis, describes himself as a painter from Soufrière, a friend of Dwight Pascal, riding without charge. He places himself left, Dwight in the middle, and Lester Jean on the right of the seat ahead of the console; Butcher sat at the bow facing forward and Tyson was at the controls.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> So when you all usually hire boats, do you all pay or is it that you just >> No, they pay. >> But on this particular >> No, but Mango Mango Dwight Pascal is my friend. >> Okay. Um, you also said that you had traveled on the boat many times before. >> Yeah. >> And during your past travels, has Tyson ever captained the boat? >> No. >> And do you know the name of the person who usually captains the boat?
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D2P2-C17 · DAY 2 · PART II · documentary correction with weak knowledge basis
Chris (surname unverified)
At the start he asks to remove the police-statement clause saying he could not tell if there were enough life jackets. Later he admits he did not count them or know the number, but believes there were enough because the owner is responsible, and agrees that is an assumption. He still maintains sufficiency.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
everybody. >> Yes. >> But you are not sure that there was sufficient for everybody. >> Outside of counting how many vests there were, you cannot say that there was sufficient for everybody. I know there was sufficient for everybody. >> But did you count? >> No, I did not count. >> Right. So apart so you just basing it again on the premise that the captain is responsible and you've come to the conclusion that there were sufficient
He says Dwight asked Tyson once to take it easy, Tyson reduced speed immediately, and nobody else complained. He describes fast but not full speed and says he personally felt safe.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
And and you stick by that. >> Yes. And could you describe the vessel for want of a better word? The behavior. How was the vessel operating in that weather? Was it >> The vessel was stable. >> Very stable. >> Yes. So, I'm going to move to the the point of impact. You see here, I felt a big impact accompanied by a loud crashing noise. Prior to the impact, was the sound
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He says he saw red, green and bright white lights aboard their boat, on at departure and throughout the journey. He saw no other vessel lights.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> Yes. >> And did it remain on during the throughout the entire journey? >> Yeah, it never went off. And did you observe any other lights in the water before the collision apart from the lights on your boat? >> No. >> You stated that the vessel was moving fast but not at full speed. How did you come to the conclusion that the vessel was not traveling at full speed? >> Like I tell you, I've been on it. You have been on it when it was traveling on at full speed.
Day 2, Part II · D2P2-242 (02:47:56), D2P2-252 (02:54:04), D2P2-253 (02:54:38)
D2P2-C20 · DAY 2 · PART II · direct auditory account
Chris (surname unverified)
He says he remained aboard with the others on his seat and the captain, heard a crash followed by a rough engine sound, and Tyson then stopped the engine. He heard cries for help to the right, not ahead, but cannot locate them precisely.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
Vessel probably hit something. >> Yeah. And then you heard the engine made a sound. >> Yeah. Made a sound. >> Is it of hitting something or after the impact? >> That's after the impact. >> So the engine there was another sound in the engine after the impact. Did you see anything or anybody in the area of the engine after that second sound? >> No. What did the captain do at that point?
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He recalls no warning, no last-second slowing or course change, no approaching craft, and no observed distraction. He says no music was playing and he did not observe VHF use.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
or to the back of you? >> No. So you were the only vessel heading down to Sufre at that time? >> Yes sir. >> Do you know if there were any other vessel from Sufre attending the fet that may have left just after you or just before you? >> No, >> there were no others. Okay. >> You don't not know. >> You got pardon? >> You do not know or there were none >> that left before us be? >> You're right. The question is, do you
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Chris first names Butcher as lookout, briefly agrees when challenged that this could be incorrect, later insists there was a lookout, and finally confirms to the chair that he inferred the role because Butcher sat at the bow.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
questions from the commissioners, is there anything in your oral statement that you now wish to change? >> No. Just what what caused you to say that that Janelle Butcher was the lookout? What what's causing you to say that when when he's saying otherwise? I'm just trying to understand. Is it because he was seated on the bow that that that caused you to think, well, he must have been the lookout because that's where the lookout would normally sit. >> Yes. >> That is the basis upon which you say he
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D2P2-C23 · DAY 2 · PART II · participant account of practice
Chris (surname unverified)
He says boat travel to shows can return around 2 a.m., estimates around five such trips without safety briefings, and says jacket use was sparse. He earlier describes some safety communication on previous Cazorla journeys, so trip scope needs care.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> On any boat? And have you ever heard the captain or anyone giving safety briefings before the start of the the voyage? No. Did you sustain any injuries in the accident? Did you sustain any injuries as a result of the collision? >> Yes, sir. Lower down my knee. >> I beg your pardon? >> Lower down my knee. My shin. >> Okay. >> A bad injury. >> Just a split.
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D2P3-C01 · DAY 2 · PART III · witness identity and self-report
Lester (surname unverified)
Lester is introduced as the final Day 2 witness and a Cazorla Jr. passenger. He says he gave police a statement on 19 July concerning the 18 July collision. His surname is variously rendered Ja, Jean, John and J in the automated text.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> Yeah. >> I do swear. Do solemnly swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So help me God. >> Sit close to the mic. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Can also even Yes, sir. >> Okay. Could you for the record state your name, address, and occupation? >> My name Lester Ja. I live in Soulet Street. occupation, I do maintenance, everything.
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D2P3-C02 · DAY 2 · PART III · witness list plus clearly identified editorial arithmetic
Lester (surname unverified)
The account supports an outbound group of seven including Lester: Tyson, Nyal/Niall, Taylor, Taylor's boyfriend, Taylor's sister and Mango. He says the sister stayed behind and three men joined for the return, named in this ASR as General Butcher, Japier and Wabi. That yields nine return occupants by arithmetic.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> Mad Japier. >> Yes. And Wabi. >> Wabi. W A B I. >> Yes. I don't know how you spell it, but I know it's Wabi. Okay. Yeah. And when you left Pigeon Point, was any briefing given? Any safety briefing given? >> I tell you in the start, locals, we don't do briefings for locals. >> Very well. How often do you go on boat trips like the one you went on? How often do you go on these
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D2P3-C03 · DAY 2 · PART III · direct passenger testimony
Lester (surname unverified)
Lester says no safety briefing was given on either leg, and nobody was wearing or carrying a lifejacket at departure. He then describes Taylor asking for one for her boyfriend: Mavado supplied it from the bow to Mango, who passed it to Taylor, who fitted it on the boyfriend.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
Taylor put it on. >> Put it on the boyfriend. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> And what is the next thing that happened? y'all going along the way. >> After that, >> Kayla asks for a life jacket for her boyfriend. Uh, Mango asks Mada to take it. Mado does that, hands it to to Mango. Mango hands it to Taylor. Taylor fits it on her boyfriend. What is the next thing that happened?
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D2P3-C04 · DAY 2 · PART III · direct report of perception
Lester (surname unverified)
He repeatedly says he saw no approaching boat or lights and first became aware of the incident through a loud impact. He could see shore lights, hotel lights and a parked yacht light, distinguishing those from the approaching craft.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> last and anything that you remember that you observed before impact? No, I just know we are going down to sufly, you know. But to tell you like I noticed anything. We just I just heard a noise and that's it. >> So there was nothing out of the ordinary? >> No. No, nothing. >> You did not notice any lights coming towards you? >> No lights. Nothing. So no, >> no, nothing. >> No.
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D2P3-C05 · DAY 2 · PART III · passenger account, with important clarification
Lester (surname unverified)
He identifies himself, Dwight/Mango, Nyal/Niall and Mavado as still aboard Cazorla Jr. He says four people were already in the water and Tyson jumped in to help. The examiner summarizes five in the water including Tyson; Lester corrects any implication that Tyson was thrown.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> What were you doing at that moment? >> I was there on the boat trying to figure out how we could help the people. Went in the bow trying to look for life jacket in the bow. Open the bow. When I open the bow, then the boat stopped sinking. So the life jacket, I take life jacket and just throw it on the boat. Throw it anywhere. And I grab one and I jump in the sea to swim to go look for help. >> Where did you throw the life jackets? Into the boat or outside the boat? >> Into the water. Because the boat was already so I show it. It was in the
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D2P3-C06 · DAY 2 · PART III · direct post-impact recollection
Lester (surname unverified)
Lester describes a damaged, unstable engine/control arrangement; Mango attempted to get toward shore and Mavado tried to hold the engine steady. The boat could not maintain a straight course. He nonetheless accepts some movement before sinking.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> So the boat was spinning around. >> No, it was it could never hold it the boat straight. Even though you give it spin cuz the thing break. So the engine is >> the thing in terms of >> to keep the engine >> the control. >> Yeah. Not the not the steering wheel. >> Okay. >> It's by the engine itself to keep it stable. So I think that damage. So the engine >> the ram I I jo >> the thing the the the part of the boat
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D2P3-C07 · DAY 2 · PART III · direct action recollection and temporal association
Lester (surname unverified)
He says he opened a square hatch at the bow, took out lifejackets, threw them into the flooding boat/water, grabbed a jacket and entered the water to seek help. He says the boat did not sink immediately at impact and associates the final sinking with an attempt to add engine power.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
water. It could be in the boat, but the boat had water to sinking. So in the water. So you had thrown these life jackets out of the boat. >> Yeah. >> In order for >> So who get it? Who get it? Yeah. >> And you say you jumped into the water yourself. >> You jumped into the water. >> When I say about sinking, I jump before life jacket too. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
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D2P3-C08 · DAY 2 · PART III · disputed witness account versus examiner premise
Lester (surname unverified)
An examiner says the recovered vessel's severe damage meant there was no hatch left to open and calls Lester's statement incorrect. Lester maintains a bow cover was present when he retrieved jackets and raises possible subsequent damage or salvage effects.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
accident the the cover for the life jacket in the bow was there still >> do you know what part of the boat got damaged >> no sir I could not tell you it's only in the bow or standing in the bow the other hole water was coming in the bow But the bow was good. The whole boat was good. >> So I'm still saying to you the impact from the accident severely damage the port the mid which would be kind of made towards the stab side which is mid leading to the right
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D2P3-C09 · DAY 2 · PART III · rough witness estimates with clarification
Lester (surname unverified)
When asked how far from impact the vessel sank, Lester first offers approximately 300 feet, then clarifies that as shore-to-impact distance; he estimates 30–40 feet from impact to sinking. Later questioning produces a much less clear 10 feet/5 feet exchange.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> from the impact. >> From the impact. >> So there was movement. >> Yeah. Yes. >> Right. And how many persons were on the boat while it was sinking? >> I think four. Four of us. >> Four of you. >> Nyall Mango and Mado. Did the captain drive that boat at all after the impact? Not the captain, the owner. No, I just think he tried to just speed because it wasn't moving anywhere. That's the that gifa.
Day 2, Part III · D2P3-S067 (00:50:34), D2P3-S068 (00:51:13), D2P3-S071 (00:53:14)
D2P3-C10 · DAY 2 · PART III · witness account of own evacuation
Lester (surname unverified)
Lester says he swam to a nearby yacht seeking help, later left on a rescue boat for Ti Kaye, waited for an ambulance that did not arrive during his wait, and travelled on a different boat to Soufrière hospital. He lists himself, Nyal, Wabi, Mango and Mavado in the later male group and says that rescue group contained no Ocean Angel passengers.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> Yeah. >> And took you all to Suare. >> To the Sufra hospital. >> Yes. Yes. And who were who were the persons there with you at that point on that rescue board that took you all to to the hospital? Do you remember who the persons were? They had me, they had NY, they had Wabi, they had Mango, they had and they had Mado. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> It was only only men. >> Only men. Yeah. At that time. Yeah. Yes. So where were the ladies? As far as you
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D2P3-C11 · DAY 2 · PART III · witness impressions and uninstrumented estimate
Lester (surname unverified)
He describes the return as dark, not raining and a little choppy on the surface rather than large rolling seas. He estimates 1,500 RPM and calls the speed normal/easy.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> I could say 1,500 RPM. >> 1,00 >> 500 RPM. Yeah. Normal speed. Take it easy. Take it light. >> Okay. The night in question before the accident. Where were you seated on the vessel? >> At the back. In front of the captain. >> In front of the captain. >> Yeah. >> And how many persons were in front of you?
Day 2, Part III · D2P3-S085 (01:01:46), D2P3-S086 (01:02:24), D2P3-S087 (01:03:06)
D2P3-C12 · DAY 2 · PART III · negative observation and explicit uncertainty
Lester (surname unverified)
He recalls no flare or siren immediately after impact and says he had no cellphone. At Ti Kaye he saw another person with a phone but did not know whom that person called.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> Any nothing at all? Nothing. >> And And what exactly was the captain doing at that time? >> Driving the boat. >> Driving the boat immediately after the impact. >> No, no, no. The captain I thought was saying why we was going down. We was driving the boat. >> Okay. But after the impact, the captains jump in the sea to help all those people. >> Okay. >> Yeah.
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D2P3-C13 · DAY 2 · PART III · experience-based allegation narrowed through questioning
Lester (surname unverified)
Lester repeatedly says local leisure trips he attended lacked safety briefings while tourist trips received them. When asked how he could know about tourists after earlier saying he travelled only with locals, he clarifies that only-locals referred to party trips and describes other tourism work/trips.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> yes. >> For all of these trips that you can count, it has been locals. >> Mostly when we go party. Oh, mostly when you go parties. >> Yeah, party. >> But tourist is more I know since no tourist trip is afternoon. >> So how how how often have you been on boating trips with tourists? >> That mean a long time. >> How often? How many times a day a year or I could say in a year maybe like sometimes not too much maybe like 20
D2P3-C14 · DAY 2 · PART III · self-report of competence and enforcement encounters
Lester (surname unverified)
He says he lacks a captain's licence and SLASPA training, knows red/green lights but not the navigation rules, and reports no personal contact or interception by SLASPA, marine police, Soufrière police or SMMA rangers during the operations he described.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> Just two questions. I heard you said to the chair that you were never in contact with Slasper any means of communication where your license or otherwise is concerned. That's correct. >> Yes sir. >> Neither the marine police unit. >> Yes sir. >> The suare police >> of license. >> Have the su police ever warned you or cautioned you about operating a vessel? >> No sir. >> Never did.
D2P3-C15 · DAY 2 · PART III · role clarification and uncertainty
Lester (surname unverified)
An intervention corrects an examiner who labels the person at the bow the lookout. Later, Lester denies having said Mavado was the lookout and says only that he normally sat at the front; he does not know whether anyone appointed him.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
>> No. >> Understand? I thought I heard you say that. So, as far as you're aware, there was no lookout on the boat. Please move out the seat in the front of that Wrong bow. They just have a little bit of stick, fin stick. That is where he just sit on that. >> Who sits there? Sorry. >> Mad. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's his number one sit. I don't
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D2P3-C16 · DAY 2 · PART III · procedural announcement
Chair
The chair closes public sittings for that week and provisionally adjourns to Wednesday 21 October at 10 a.m., subject to confirmation with the Parliament office; witnesses may be recalled.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
ought not to be surprised. >> Yes sir. >> Thank you very much for your evidence. You may step down. >> Okay sir. Okay. to this brings an end to our our public our sittings public sittings for for this week. Um unfortunately the one of our members will be off Ireland Thursday from Thursday tomorrow until Monday. So the earliest date that would would normally have been available is Tuesday. However, there's likely to be a sitting of parliament on Tuesday. So, uh, more
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P1-001 · DAY 1 · PART I · official opening account
Chair
Collision occurred on night of Saturday 18 July 2026 at Anse Cochon; four deaths, three passengers and one crew; one boat destroyed and the other sank.
Four commissioners include chair Justice Mario Michel, ACP Luke [De Freitas ASR], retired marine superintendent Mr Frederick, maritime consultant [name garbled]; secretary Lenita Joseph and counsel [name garbled].
Police Marine/RSS/MRCC SOPs, 18–23 July movement diary, ship logs and boarding forms requested from police Commissioner office were due 7 October and not received.
P1-048 · DAY 1 · PART I · panel proposition and dispute
Commissioner / Dylan Nicholas
Commissioner says damage suggests Ocean Angel port side and other craft starboard side, a crossing; Nicholas says recollection is starboard but has not seen wreck.
Sighting separation estimated as three utility poles, later 300 feet; offshore distance initially conflated; 15-minute estimate again describes helm-change route.
P1-066 · DAY 1 · PART I · document description and admission
Dylan Nicholas / commissioner
Certificate names Graham Matthew as minimum certified crew; Matthew absent; Nicholas says unfamiliar with no-change condition and acknowledges poor judgment allowing Tyrone helm.
P1-071 · DAY 1 · PART I · document proposition and legal inference
Commissioner / Dylan Nicholas
Graham Matthew said listed as Ocean Angel crew and Kazoula Boatmaster; commissioner infers two craft should not operate together under these conditions.
The chair reconciles Nicholas's list to nine aboard Ocean Angel: Tyrone, Roxan, Debbie, an unnamed woman from Choiseul, Bradley, Marvin, Marley, Dylan and Nicholas.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
Tyrone 1, Roxan 2, Debbie 3, A Girl from Shiselle 4, Bradley 5, Marvin 6, Molly 7, or Marley 7, sorry, the captain 8, and I nine.
Nicholas says no navigation lights were observed on Ocean Angel at departure or during the journey.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
Did you observe whether there were any navigation lights when he left when the boat left the port of Sufare? >> No lights, my lady. Did you observe whether the lights were switched on at any time during the journey? >> No, my lady.
Nicholas reaffirms that three women complained about speed. His earlier negative answer addressed a question expressly excluding the women; the later suggestion that he had denied all complaints came in the chair’s restatement.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
By which I understood you to mean he did not take heed. He did not when they said so, he did not slow down as a result of them saying so. In fact, he didn't say anything. He just continued at his speed. That's what I understood you to be saying when you gave your evidence earlier on. Is that correct? >> That's good.
P2-C15 · DAY 1 · PART II · safety procedure testimony
Elias Nicholas
Nicholas says he received no safety briefing and was not issued a life jacket to wear.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
were you given any safety briefing when you got on the boat? >> Nothing like that, sir? Nothing like that? No. >> No. Were you given a life jacket to put on? >> No sir.
II P2-018, P2-019 / P2-U0322, P2-U0323, P2-U0324, P2-U0325
Nicholas reports no warning, siren, VHF communication, or perceived change of direction/speed before impact.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
before just before the accident or the impact so to speak, did you notice or did you feel the captain did anything with the vessel? Go left, go right, slow down the speed. >> Nothing that I just had a a loud noise.
Nicholas says he grabbed a floating life jacket near Ocean Angel and got onto the capsized craft.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
you grab the the um the life jacket and you're using it to to float. Uh, you held on to it. Yeah. >> Did Sorry. >> Yeah, that's when I um went up on top of the boat and sit down on it capsized.
P2-C30 · DAY 1 · PART II · approximate voyage timing
Elias Nicholas
Nicholas estimates about 20 minutes from departure to collision, with Dylan taking over after a place transcribed Anshass and operating about 15–16 minutes.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
P2-C31 · DAY 1 · PART II · inference not eyewitness geometry
Elias Nicholas
Nicholas thinks impact was sideways and on the right because he was seated on the left and believes a head-on or left-side impact would have killed him.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
No, I think I I think it's on the right side. If it was on the left side, I would have be dead.
Nicholas says earlier that he did not feel safe; later says he was not really frightened for his life and that the speed was fast but he had no problem.
Analytical paraphrase of the supplied recordExact automated-source excerpt
It was going fast for me, but I didn't I had no problem.
P2-C42 · DAY 1 · PART II · secondhand prior statement
Boat owner Pascal, quoted by chair
Chair reads owner's statement that he bought at least four Piton beers each for Lester, Nile and Tyson and that they had their own money and bought drinks as well.
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I would have purchased at least four pet bears each for Leester, Nile, and Tyson. They had they had their own monies and would have purchased their own drinks as well.
Tyson says he had a lookout and that the lookout saw nothing before impact.
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did you have a lookout on your vessel >> on which one >> on your vessel the vessel that you were captain in did you have a lookout Yeah. >> Did the lookout see anything? >> No.
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P3-C01 · DAY 1 · PART III · identity and sworn appearance
Ireneius/Irenaeus Pascal
Pascal gives sworn oral evidence, identifies as a Soufriere tour operator, and discloses hearing difficulty on his left side.
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Your attention on that of commissioners. Mr. Pascal has indicated that he has a slight um hearing loss in >> Yeah, I have a little hearing problem to the left. So, >> so we would need to speak up just to ensure that he can hear clearly. Are you hearing me loudly and clearly? >> Yes, I do. >> Okay. Can you state your name, your address, and your occupation? >> Um, my name Ireneius Pascal from Bridge Street Sofur, and I'm a tour operator by profession. Did you on the 19th of July 2026 give a statement to the police as to what transpired on the 18th of July 2026? >> Yes, I did. >> Were you shown a copy of this statement this morning? Yes, I do. Well, um it was supposed to be four pages, but I received two pages of it, but I do have a copy >> um with all four. >> Yeah, I have a copy. >> Very well. >> Yes. And you you have read the statement and you're satisfied that it is true and correct? >> Yes, I did. >> Okay. And you wish it to be used uh by this commission?
P3-C02 · DAY 1 · PART III · adoption of police statement
Pascal
Adopts police statement dated 19 July 2026 as true without alteration; received only two of four pages that morning but says he has all four.
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Did you on the 19th of July 2026 give a statement to the police as to what transpired on the 18th of July 2026? >> Yes, I did. >> Were you shown a copy of this statement this morning? Yes, I do. Well, um it was supposed to be four pages, but I received two pages of it, but I do have a copy >> um with all four. >> Yeah, I have a copy. >> Very well. >> Yes. And you you have read the statement and you're satisfied that it is true and correct? >> Yes, I did. >> Okay. And you wish it to be used uh by this commission? >> Repeat yourself. And you wish it to be used by this commission as evidence? >> Yes. >> Having read the statement, is there anything you need to add to need you need to alter? >> No. >> You're you're satisfied with the statement as >> as read by you? >> Yes, I do.
P3-C03 · DAY 1 · PART III · identity and ownership testimony
Pascal
Identifies himself as owner of Cazorla Jr and says he has no captain licence.
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I'm the owner of Kazola Jr. >> Mhm. Are you Do you also have a captain's license? >> Make your pardon. >> Do you also have a captain's license? >> No, I don't have.
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P3-C04 · DAY 1 · PART III · voyage staffing testimony
Pascal
Regular captain unavailable after taking his own boat to the planned carnival event; Tyson, part of the social plans, operated instead.
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>> Owner. I'm the owner of Kazola Jr. >> Mhm. Are you Do you also have a captain's license? >> Make your pardon. >> Do you also have a captain's license? >> No, I don't have. >> And what kind of touristic boating events is your boat involved in? >> Um well, we specialize in both. um how would I say um fishing troops like London seats. >> London seats. >> Yeah, I specialize in London. I mean, >> and do you have a full-time captain? >> Yes, I do. >> Um and on the the date the 18th of July 2026, >> he wasn't available. >> He was not available. No. >> So, what arrangements did you make in his place? >> Well, I found out that it was because it was a planned event. The whole thing that happened, it was planned because, you know, Connival have a calendar of events coming, you know. So, we plan ahead and decided to go, but you know, he was supposed to be the captain, but the day of the event, he took his boat, which is a um a day, and he went out to the event on his own. So you know I had left with no choice. Um Tyson was you know among the plans as well. So he just decided to you know captain the boat on that night. >> So the captain you used on the day of the 18th of July 2026 is a captain you usually use or this was the first time? No, he's basically I've used him a few times, you know, but the day of the the event, he's not my um how would I say it? He's not my um my worker. He don't work for me. I just use him time to time. The the night of the the event, I use him. >> When you say a few times in over a season of 10 months, how often do you use his services? >> Rarely, I use him cuz he's not my captain. He's not my captain. I really use him. Like, you know, I don't really use him. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> So, on the day in question, >> were you on the vessel? >> Yes, I was. >> And as the owner, as the owner, are you aware of the process in having guests on your vessel >> or the protocol? Repeat yourself. >> The protocol. Are you aware of the protocols of having guests on your vessel during tours? >> Yes, I do. >> So, can you confirm whether safety briefings were done? >> None. None of none of safety briefings was given. Is there a reason why?
P3-C05 · DAY 1 · PART III · employment and experience testimony
Pascal
Says Tyson is not his employee or regular captain but he has used him a few times.
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So the captain you used on the day of the 18th of July 2026 is a captain you usually use or this was the first time? No, he's basically I've used him a few times, you know, but the day of the the event, he's not my um how would I say it? He's not my um my worker. He don't work for me. I just use him time to time. The the night of the the event, I use him. >> When you say a few times in over a season of 10 months, how often do you use his services? >> Rarely, I use him cuz he's not my captain. He's not my captain. I really use him. Like, you know, I don't really use him.
Was aboard and admits no safety briefing on this voyage.
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were you on the vessel? >> Yes, I was. >> And as the owner, as the owner, are you aware of the process in having guests on your vessel >> or the protocol? Repeat yourself. >> The protocol. Are you aware of the protocols of having guests on your vessel during tours? >> Yes, I do. >> So, can you confirm whether safety briefings were done? >> None. None of none of safety briefings was given. Is there a reason why? >> Well, I believe that's just a a weeping like we don't really, you know, take serious, you know, us. So that's why I think that's the purpose of that to, you know, reinforce those stuff and for us to do the things the right way cuz I could be honest with you. If I'm being honest with you, the majority, we don't do that. We don't brief you know especially when it's not commercial use like you know using for guests and it's locals we just do things you know so that's >> so when you have organized tours >> Mhm. >> for tourists do you do safety briefings? >> Yes. So I do cuz I'm the saleserson at the beach and I conduct everything. So basically when I go out of guests I'll tell them that live vest is mandatory especially when you're doing snorkeling. So I'd brief them accordingly and tell them what cuz also on my boat there's a big sign at the front where it's stated um live vest is mandatory as well. >> Okay. So you do safety briefings for tourists, but for localized events, >> Yeah. >> you do not have safety briefings. >> We didn't we didn't do that at all that day.
P3-C07 · DAY 1 · PART III · claimed different safety practices
Pascal
Describes giving tourist safety briefings and having a life-vest-mandatory sign; says local trips often do not receive these practices.
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>> Well, I believe that's just a a weeping like we don't really, you know, take serious, you know, us. So that's why I think that's the purpose of that to, you know, reinforce those stuff and for us to do the things the right way cuz I could be honest with you. If I'm being honest with you, the majority, we don't do that. We don't brief you know especially when it's not commercial use like you know using for guests and it's locals we just do things you know so that's >> so when you have organized tours >> Mhm. >> for tourists do you do safety briefings? >> Yes. So I do cuz I'm the saleserson at the beach and I conduct everything. So basically when I go out of guests I'll tell them that live vest is mandatory especially when you're doing snorkeling. So I'd brief them accordingly and tell them what cuz also on my boat there's a big sign at the front where it's stated um live vest is mandatory as well. >> Okay. So you do safety briefings for tourists, but for localized events, >> Yeah. >> you do not have safety briefings. >> We didn't we didn't do that at all that day. >> Okay. And as the owner of the vessel, do you have a designated lookout person on your vessel? Well, yes, cuz I do have my captain and crew which work for me as well. I have a captain and crew. Well, I keep I I have a few guys who works for me as well, you know, but I have a valid captain license holder who's captain in my boat and um a crew member. Now, I'm seeing you all have some new laws in terms of having license for crew. >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you just said. I said there's a new protocol with having a license for crew and with that being said that you know my my guys who works for me I have two captain works for me but I don't have none of them doesn't have a a crew license. >> You have two captains working for you? >> Yeah two captains >> but none of them have >> a crew license because they have a they have a a license to captain the boat. >> Okay. So, who was the designated lookout person on the vessel >> on the night
P3-C08 · DAY 1 · PART III · licensing understanding
Pascal
Says he uses captains with captain licences but none has a separate crew licence; describes crew licensing as a new protocol.
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>> We didn't we didn't do that at all that day. >> Okay. And as the owner of the vessel, do you have a designated lookout person on your vessel? Well, yes, cuz I do have my captain and crew which work for me as well. I have a captain and crew. Well, I keep I I have a few guys who works for me as well, you know, but I have a valid captain license holder who's captain in my boat and um a crew member. Now, I'm seeing you all have some new laws in terms of having license for crew. >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you just said. I said there's a new protocol with having a license for crew and with that being said that you know my my guys who works for me I have two captain works for me but I don't have none of them doesn't have a a crew license. >> You have two captains working for you? >> Yeah two captains >> but none of them have >> a crew license because they have a they have a a license to captain the boat. >> Okay. So, who was the designated lookout person on the vessel >> on the night
No designated lookout on outbound trip; a man called Mado/Mavado acted as lookout on the southbound return.
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We did not um to be honest with you, I had no lookout because it was, you know, as I said, it was a day we just go and just go have fun. We never know it would happen like that. So, I didn't have a um lookout person when we were leaving. But on the way back, we had one which was one of the guys that you know follow us on the way back. >> And who was that? >> Mado. >> Yeah. His name is Jel. Jel something. Yeah. >> So Mado was the local >> person on the way back to Sufra. >> On the way head coming down from the north heading >> leaving the north to go to our destination Sufra. Mada was the person looking out on that night.
P3-C10 · DAY 1 · PART III · equipment and reporting testimony
Pascal
Says VHF radio worked but was not used and lighthouse was not informed; clarifies lights/navigation aids worked and were used from departure.
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And the night in question, were all the systems on your vessel working? >> Um, to be honest with you, I do have my VHF radio, which wasn't been used that night. Captain didn't use it. Nobody use it. Um, I do have my live vest. I have my um fire extinguishers and my lights front and back. So the night it just wasn't at use. We didn't tell anyone like the light off to inform the light off that we were coming. None of that happened. >> So the night in question, your navigational aids on the vessel were working but not used >> properly worked and it was at use from the time we left. >> Okay. And the VHF was working. >> It was working. We didn't use >> we didn't use it. But as I said, it's not a me thing. I'm not just trying and you know, it's not a me thing. It's something I think majority of us honestly have a habit of doing like we don't really inform the light. >> Okay. >> Which we supposed to we don't do it. It's just a we thing. And I think that's the reason why you all are here to enforce on the law on doing that. So >> So you confirmed there was no safety briefings.
P3-C11 · DAY 1 · PART III · life-jacket practice and survivor account
Pascal
Says jackets were not generally issued, but Roman William requested one roughly ten minutes before the collision.
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Are you aware whether or not life jackets were issued on that night? >> And I'm being honest with you. As I said, no live vest were issued at the time, but one individual asked for a live vest minutes before the collision. And I don't even know what led him to ask for that live at that time because I'm going to be honest, he would be one of the persons being un alive. He asked for the live vest 10 minutes before the collision. And that's Mr. Roman. Mr. Roman William.
P3-C13 · DAY 1 · PART III · weather-check admission
Pascal
Says he checks forecasts for tourist tours but did not do so for this local outing.
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In terms of standard oper operating procedures, do you normally review the marine or the weather forecast before you venture out on your vessel? >> Repeat yourself. >> As part of your SOPs, your standard operating procedures. >> Mhm. Do you normally get a copy of the marine or weather report before your vessel ventures out? >> Well, um, again for my guest, I always check weather forecast because sometimes it could affect it could affect my tours as well. So, I just look out for that. But I didn't look out when we have locals. I don't I don't really do that. >> So, do you consider locals your guests? Well, we it wasn't as I said if um if I'm operating commotionally commercially I'll say yes they're my guest but you know in that event but we heading out to a party I wouldn't say they are guest
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P3-C14 · DAY 1 · PART III · sea/weather and speed account
Pascal
Describes dark clouds and choppy seas; says he asked Tyson to slow because he was going more than moderate speed and waves posed danger.
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>> So, do you consider locals your guests? Well, we it wasn't as I said if um if I'm operating commotionally commercially I'll say yes they're my guest but you know in that event but we heading out to a party I wouldn't say they are guest >> so what was the weather like that night that day and night >> well day in the day it was good um well the sea was kind of choppy >> Mhm. In the day, the weather was okay in the day, but the night it was kind of dark, you know, some dark clouds, you know. Um, also she was choppy. And at one point, I'm being honest cuz it's only the trophy. All right. when we were leaving um Rodney or Gile um captain was you know going a little more than moderate all right and I had to stop him and I have people that could attest to that I had to tell him that you know take it easy because it's kind of choppy and you can't ride those wave with speed cuz you know it could we have nine of us on board it could cause you know even without coll co colliding with anybody body it could just sink sometime take a wave so I had to call on on him and tell him you know he has to take it easy >> and who was the captain at the time >> it was Tyson Tyson captain go and come back >> and that's Tyson Hippolith >> Tyson Hippolith yeah >> during the course of that evening did you consume any alcoholic beverages >> yes I did yes I and I could clearly remember what I was consuming that night. >> And did you consume any alcohol with your captain? >> No. Well, I was the one who I purchased as I said clearly in my statement that I purchase um like three four bears for each of them cuz you know when I go out I always you know take care I I I'm the one who spending you know so you know everything was on me. So, I bought like three or four rounds of drinks which was bez. And I had like a glass like glass of um I think it was Bonte and Cranberry that night. Yeah, Bonte and Cranberry I had that night. I only had maybe three four glass. I not a heavy drinker. I drink occasionally. But it's normal if you go out with your captains while on a tour that you buy drinks for them. >> They go pardon.
P3-C15 · DAY 1 · PART III · alcohol purchase and consumption admission
Pascal
Says he bought three or four rounds of beers for companions and himself had about three or four Bounty-and-cranberry drinks, brand transcription uncertain.
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>> and who was the captain at the time >> it was Tyson Tyson captain go and come back >> and that's Tyson Hippolith >> Tyson Hippolith yeah >> during the course of that evening did you consume any alcoholic beverages >> yes I did yes I and I could clearly remember what I was consuming that night. >> And did you consume any alcohol with your captain? >> No. Well, I was the one who I purchased as I said clearly in my statement that I purchase um like three four bears for each of them cuz you know when I go out I always you know take care I I I'm the one who spending you know so you know everything was on me. So, I bought like three or four rounds of drinks which was bez. And I had like a glass like glass of um I think it was Bonte and Cranberry that night. Yeah, Bonte and Cranberry I had that night. I only had maybe three four glass. I not a heavy drinker. I drink occasionally. But it's normal if you go out with your captains while on a tour that you buy drinks for them. >> They go pardon. >> I said, is it normal >> when you go out on tours with your captain that you buy alcoholic beverages for them? >> No, not all the time. There's a place and time for all that. As I said, that night it was a event. We went to a event and we went and, you know, have a good time. But in still having a good time, I was vigilant because as I said, I I was the one buying the drinks. So, you know, I we didn't consume too many cuz I know what it could do when you're drinking and driving. >> So, I just have two more questions. Um, >> no problem. >> Is it normal for you to extend these services during the festive season, for example, carnival, jazz, etc. Do you normally do these tours at night? >> Yes, I do. >> And how late do you stay on the water? >> Well, to be honest, as I say, I'm the owner, so I basically don't really navigate at night. I usually send my captain and crew to do the work and I just stay back. So, I don't really navigate at night. So what's the normal time they would stay out extending these services into the night or early morning?
P3-C16 · DAY 1 · PART III · general night-service practice
Pascal
Business provides festival night services sometimes until 2–3 a.m.; owner usually sends captain and crew rather than accompanying them.
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>> I said, is it normal >> when you go out on tours with your captain that you buy alcoholic beverages for them? >> No, not all the time. There's a place and time for all that. As I said, that night it was a event. We went to a event and we went and, you know, have a good time. But in still having a good time, I was vigilant because as I said, I I was the one buying the drinks. So, you know, I we didn't consume too many cuz I know what it could do when you're drinking and driving. >> So, I just have two more questions. Um, >> no problem. >> Is it normal for you to extend these services during the festive season, for example, carnival, jazz, etc. Do you normally do these tours at night? >> Yes, I do. >> And how late do you stay on the water? >> Well, to be honest, as I say, I'm the owner, so I basically don't really navigate at night. I usually send my captain and crew to do the work and I just stay back. So, I don't really navigate at night. So what's the normal time they would stay out extending these services into the night or early morning? >> Well, it depend on what time the events done. >> Yeah. So 2 3 4 in the morning. >> 2 in the morning. Sometime most events is 2:00 in the morning, you know, 3:00 in the morning, you know, it depend. And what's the frequency of you being stopped underwater by SLASPA or the marine police when engaging in these services? >> Um, I've never encountered any anyone never encountered any stops from the marine police when doing those. >> So they've never stopped you on the water and asked for license. No, I think I've stopped maybe once cuz you know I do things as I should. So I don't think you know I've been stopped of more than once or twice. >> Sure. >> Just a minute. Not more than once or twice in two weeks or in 2 years or or 20 years? >> Take a pattern. >> When you say you've been stopped not more than once or twice, >> is that once or twice in a week? once or twice in a year once or twice every five years. >> If my business has been in operation like the boat business has been in operation for like four or five years, I'll definitely see maybe not four or five years maybe twice I've been stopped or once. I don't get myself in problem with the police. I do what I have to do in short on time, service on time. I do what I have to do on time. And anybody who knows me could attest to, you know, me taking care of my business.
P3-C17 · DAY 1 · PART III · enforcement-contact recollection
Pascal
Initially says never stopped, then estimates once or twice during four or five years of boating business.
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>> Well, it depend on what time the events done. >> Yeah. So 2 3 4 in the morning. >> 2 in the morning. Sometime most events is 2:00 in the morning, you know, 3:00 in the morning, you know, it depend. And what's the frequency of you being stopped underwater by SLASPA or the marine police when engaging in these services? >> Um, I've never encountered any anyone never encountered any stops from the marine police when doing those. >> So they've never stopped you on the water and asked for license. No, I think I've stopped maybe once cuz you know I do things as I should. So I don't think you know I've been stopped of more than once or twice. >> Sure. >> Just a minute. Not more than once or twice in two weeks or in 2 years or or 20 years? >> Take a pattern. >> When you say you've been stopped not more than once or twice, >> is that once or twice in a week? once or twice in a year once or twice every five years. >> If my business has been in operation like the boat business has been in operation for like four or five years, I'll definitely see maybe not four or five years maybe twice I've been stopped or once. I don't get myself in problem with the police. I do what I have to do in short on time, service on time. I do what I have to do on time. And anybody who knows me could attest to, you know, me taking care of my business.
P3-C18 · DAY 1 · PART III · personal visibility account
Pascal
From his seat saw dark clouds, shore lights and choppy water, with limited visibility.
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>> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And the final question from me, can you just summarize briefly the series of events right before the incident? Um >> what you remember in terms of visual in terms of visibility? >> Oh, the night of the event. >> Yeah. The of the incident. >> The day of the incident. >> Yeah. >> Like you mean like um visibility wise? >> Yes. >> Well, as I said, it was dark to be honest with you. And where I was seated, you know, I could have just seen dark clouds and like um how you call that lights from the shoreline and choppy like see was choppy but visibility wise like it was kind of dark. So it was dark but it was you could have still see a bit a little bit visible as well but >> the weather was dark. >> Yeah. Low visibility. >> Yeah. >> A bit of shoreline. And then what happened in terms of the impact? Just describe your Well, the impact to be honest. As I said, I've I can have a little hearing problem. So, I only heard a sound. I don't know how loud it was cuz you know when you have a little air problem you might not hear it as normal as the next person but I just heard a noise and then you know I was shift to other seat and that was it.
P3-C19 · DAY 1 · PART III · operator-licence checking admission
Pascal
Assumed Tyson licensed from his known boating history; made no licence check.
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But were you aware of the fact that you were employing somebody to to captain a boat who whose license expired 11 years ago? >> But I'm being honest with you. I know this guy for a while and I know he's been driving boats. So I'm making assumption that he has a license. You understand? And as I said the night it wasn't him was supposed to drive my boat. So you're saying you know he drives boats. Does Can I take that? You mean you know he drives passenger boats for >> No, his boat. He has his boat and I know him for I know Tyson from Donkeers cuz we stay in the same area. >> So I know him driving. >> He a fishing boat or a passenger boat? >> Oh, >> he has a fishing boat or a passenger boat? >> He has a fishing boat presently. I don't know how long he has it for but before the passion before his boat I know him to captain like um Exodus I don't know if you know about those company um Exodus that's for Tom and them >> that's back then like years maybe have decades >> that's before 2015 when he was >> well I don't I to be honest with you I don't know I as I said I just know him to captain those boats which I know is licensed boats that operate in the tourist industry so I'm assuming He do has a license. >> So I'm trying to understand you you know him to be regularly captaining these um passenger boats. You know him to be regularly captaining these boats. Why you thought he must have a license? >> Repeat yourself. >> You know is it that you're saying that he know you know he regularly captaining these passenger boats and therefore you thought he had a license? >> Yes. And how regularly would you say he captains boats? >> Well, as I said, that's don't care. That's like decades ago. But presently, as he owns his boat, I could attest that I haven't seen him drive a boat apart from his boat. That's what I could say. I haven't seen if he does it. Maybe at the moment, I didn't see. But I'm telling you, apart from his boat, cuz he drive his boat, he has his fishing boat where he go to sea. And I could see that, you know, apart from his boat, I haven't seen him drive any other boat to be honest with you. >> Yet you put him in charge of carrying nine passengers on your boat. >> Yeah. >> Cuz as I said, I know him to be driving boats. >> Yeah. what you said since he had his fishing boat, you hardly see driving boat. >> The guy's a guy's, as I said, the guy is well known for driving boats. I've known him for decades. As I said, he's drive boats bigger than what I gave him. So, he's more than capable than bringing those passengers cuz he's he drive boats bigger than my boat. Double engine, center console. >> Yeah. But for 11 years he was doing so without the legal authorization to do so. And you have engaged him without him having the legal authorization to be engaged in what you engaged him to do. Well, I wasn't a That's what I'm saying. I wasn't aware cuz he's not my captain. He's not my personal captain. I don't use him. I don't use him. As I tell you, the night it just happened that the other guy took his boat and went to the event. So I left with no choice and then we use him. He went. He's not my captain. >> And it never occurred to you to find out whether he's licensed to be on the water driving a boat like that. Never occurred to you to to do any checks or to inquire whether he's licensed to do what you were asking him to do. >> I've never made any check on whether he can do it. But from my knowledge, what I've seen, I gave him the benefit of the doubt that I know he can. So, as I said, that's what happened the night. And yeah,
P3-C20 · DAY 1 · PART III · recalled operator experience
Pascal
Recalls Tyson operating Exodus vessels long ago, but recently personally observed him mainly on his own fishing boat.
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>> No, his boat. He has his boat and I know him for I know Tyson from Donkeers cuz we stay in the same area. >> So I know him driving. >> He a fishing boat or a passenger boat? >> Oh, >> he has a fishing boat or a passenger boat? >> He has a fishing boat presently. I don't know how long he has it for but before the passion before his boat I know him to captain like um Exodus I don't know if you know about those company um Exodus that's for Tom and them >> that's back then like years maybe have decades >> that's before 2015 when he was >> well I don't I to be honest with you I don't know I as I said I just know him to captain those boats which I know is licensed boats that operate in the tourist industry so I'm assuming He do has a license. >> So I'm trying to understand you you know him to be regularly captaining these um passenger boats. You know him to be regularly captaining these boats. Why you thought he must have a license? >> Repeat yourself. >> You know is it that you're saying that he know you know he regularly captaining these passenger boats and therefore you thought he had a license? >> Yes. And how regularly would you say he captains boats? >> Well, as I said, that's don't care. That's like decades ago. But presently, as he owns his boat, I could attest that I haven't seen him drive a boat apart from his boat. That's what I could say. I haven't seen if he does it. Maybe at the moment, I didn't see. But I'm telling you, apart from his boat, cuz he drive his boat, he has his fishing boat where he go to sea. And I could see that, you know, apart from his boat, I haven't seen him drive any other boat to be honest with you. >> Yet you put him in charge of carrying nine passengers on your boat. >> Yeah. >> Cuz as I said, I know him to be driving boats. >> Yeah. what you said since he had his fishing boat, you hardly see driving boat. >> The guy's a guy's, as I said, the guy is well known for driving boats. I've known him for decades. As I said, he's drive boats bigger than what I gave him. So, he's more than capable than bringing those passengers cuz he's he drive boats bigger than my boat. Double engine, center console.
P3-C21 · DAY 1 · PART III · response-to-warning testimony
Pascal
Says Tyson immediately complied with his slowdown request near Windjammer.
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Mr. Pascal, you said at some point you would have asked Tyson to take it easy because you felt with the sea conditions he was operating a bit too fast. >> Yes, I did. >> Did he comply? >> Yes, he did immediately. Can you tell us by way of identifying a point a point along the shoreline a point along the coast where that would have happened? >> Um I'll say around Winjama area live wind jama. So it wasn't not it wasn't too far away from when we just left around Winjama area and about in terms of time about how long before the accident would you say that was? um be honest being honest from the time I told him not that we started driving he started driving at a more moderate speed so I think we took like maybe I'll say maybe close to an hour to reach before the the um the accident maybe 50 approximate 50 to an hour 50 minutes to an hour
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Estimates fifty minutes to one hour from asking Tyson to slow near Windjammer until collision.
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and about in terms of time about how long before the accident would you say that was? um be honest being honest from the time I told him not that we started driving he started driving at a more moderate speed so I think we took like maybe I'll say maybe close to an hour to reach before the the um the accident maybe 50 approximate 50 to an hour 50 minutes to an hour
P3-C23 · DAY 1 · PART III · lookout position and warning account
Pascal
Lookout sat high forward near the bow from departure; owner thought view clear; reports no warning of another vessel.
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You indicated that one Mado would have been your lookout. >> Yes, I could attest to that. >> Where does the lookout usually place him or herself? Well, on that vessel, >> that specific individual, for some reason, I don't know, he loves sitting. There's I how would I explain it to the front of the boat, there's a seat before the bow, and there's a piece of stick, a line like this long. I think it's to to um adjust the boat or um make the boat like stronger, I think. So, they place a piece of fiberglass is seated right on top of that. So that's close to the top where he could see anything that come >> and I'm asking again during the journey >> and just prior to the accident was that where he was seated where you just described >> that's where he was seated from the time we left the port um Gul whatever the destination may And in your estimation, was could there have been anything impeding his view to the front? >> Repeat yourself. >> In your estimation, >> Mhm. >> is there any do you believe there could have been anything preventing him from seeing ahead? >> Um, no. where where he was seated. He could have seen anything. From your recollection, did Mado sound any warning to the captain of an oncoming vessel? >> No. Mr. Chair,
P3-C24 · DAY 1 · PART III · formal alias clarification
Unidentified commission officer; Pascal confirms
Hearing identifies Mado/Mavado as Janelle Butcher; Pascal accepts but says he did not know the government name.
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just for the record because I realize we are using aliases. Just for the record, I want to establish that Mado is one and the same as Janelle Butcher. >> His name >> Mado. You said his name is Mado. >> I want to establish that Mado and Janelle Butcher >> is one of the same person. >> He's the Janelle Butcher. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But you know Yeah. >> Yeah. So since you were using aliases, I just need for the record to establish that, please. >> Yeah, I don't know his government's name because you know what?
P3-C25 · DAY 1 · PART III · payment and trip-character clarification
Pascal
Says Taylor supplied funds for herself and her boyfriend; answers he still would not have done safety protocols if all locals had paid.
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Earlier you said that um the trip on the night in question was not commercial. >> Mhm. >> It was not a paid trip. Well, um, a two two or three. No, it was how would I say Taylor and her boyfriend, but Taylor was the person who gave me some funds for bringing them up. Because what what what the distinction I want to make, you said um you would sometimes or most times adhere to safety protocols such as briefings and the like. >> Mhm. >> When you have guests >> Mhm. >> on on trips. >> Mhm. >> I take it that that's for money. >> Mhm. >> When you have people on board for money. >> It's not for money. It's just I >> Listen listen closely. >> The night in question. >> Yeah. You said that one of your main reasons for not adhering to safety protocols was because it was a trip for fun. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. Not not no. You have it all wrong. Not because of that. >> Not totally wrong about that. I didn't meant that that way. At no point in time I said such. >> Okay. You said if we were operating commercially, I would do protocols. >> Mhm. >> That night we were going out to party. So I did not use the protocols. >> Yeah. But I didn't meant it that way where you know I just don't do protocols for locals and I only do it for >> No, I am I'm still going to ask you. >> Mhm. >> If all the locals on your boat on that night >> had paid you >> Mhm. >> had paid you for taking them to Gilelay and back >> you collected fees from them. >> Mhm. >> Would you have done the protocol? >> No. That's what I'm saying. Why? >> Cuz you know, as I tell you, it's just just something we just don't do within ourselves. That's what I'm trying to say. I said it earlier on. Just like indicating the lighthouse, that's something. It's a a weing. We don't do it. It's there. We the laws are there, but we don't do it. Like it's just within us. We don't do it. The majority, I could say that we don't adhere to the um the lighthouse. We don't inform the lighthouse. We don't we don't we don't inform them. We don't do safety briefings. We don't put live vest on passengers.
P3-C26 · DAY 1 · PART III · lookout follow-up admission and hearsay
Pascal
Had not personally asked lookout what he saw; says captain asked and lookout said he saw nothing.
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Would you be able to explain at all why? Have you had any discussion with him on that? Would you be able to explain at all why he saw nothing? >> I cannot answer that. >> You cannot answer that. Have you had any discussion with him on it? >> Oh, Janelle. >> Yes. >> No. >> But I will ask you, you have a lookout who gave no warning to the captain. Your vessel is involved in a boating collision. >> Mhm. where four persons have lost their lives unfortunately. >> Mhm. >> And as the lookout, you have not made it your business to find out from him what happened on that night, what he saw, what he did not see. >> Well, the captain the captain think the captain asked him, you know, was he able to see anything? He said he never saw anything. But not you. You didn't have that conversation with him. >> No, I haven't. No.
P3-C27 · DAY 1 · PART III · seat/sightline and impact testimony
Pascal
Sat immediately ahead of console, could not see beyond bow, and impact propelled him one seat forward.
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From where you were seated on the vessel, how far ahead of you could you have seen? >> Repeat yourself. >> From where you were seated >> on the vessel, how far ahead of you could you have seen? Um, well, the bow of the boat and the lights on the shoreline, not at the front of me because I couldn't see where I'm seated. I can I can see anything at the front of me. >> So you could not see beyond the bow? >> No, I couldn't see nothing beyond the bow. In your experience as a boat owner, as one who has been out there on the sea on similar trips, um, is it a common thing or should I say, do you know of any other instances where a lookout would be in your estimation perfectly placed? to possibly see what was happening ahead yet did not. Do you know of any other such incidents? Is it something common >> what this incident happened? >> No. No. That a lookout can be perfectly positioned on the vessel yet not able to pick up danger ahead. Is that something for for some reason in in in maritime travel that can happen? That is possible. >> Well, in the day in the daytime, well, in the night time, if person doesn't have a light that nowhere a lookout could see something that's coming, it doesn't have a light. >> But would that also not depend on visibility? Well, as I said, it was the visibility was a little a little poor as well, but it was enough to see. Was enough to see because as I said, I was seeing on the shoreline just that it was just dark that day. The visibility was enough to see. It was clear enough to see. But I'm asking have have you ever performed the role of a lookout? >> Um yes I before I become a boat owner have >> um at night around that same time. >> Daytime. >> Only daytime. >> Daytime. Yeah. Yeah. Can you describe the impact in terms of force? Well, as I said, in terms of force, I cannot answer that based on my hearing problem. So, as I said earlier on, I just heard a I heard a sound. I don't know how loud it was. >> Okay. So, let me let me ask you the question another way. >> So, the two vessels have collided. >> Mhm. >> How how heavy was you? I'm sure you would have jolted. You would have jerked. >> Yeah. I >> How how how heavy was that from your standpoint? >> And what rate you looking at like >> I don't know. You tell me. I I >> no but I I can just say because from where I was seated I was seated right um in front of the captain the seat in front of the console that's where I was seated after the impact I flew over onto the second seat. So just a seat apart from where I was seated. So you could just imagine the impact what that would send me over. >> Is that a seat forward or a sit back? >> No, a seat forward. >> A seat forward. We have the second seat.
P3-C28 · DAY 1 · PART III · speed and jacket-stop testimony
Pascal
Says Tyson did not increase speed after slowing; boat later stopped so a requested life jacket could be obtained.
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So after you asked your captain to slow down a near wind jammer, you said he complied. >> Yeah. Yeah, he did. He did. Did he at any point after that compliance after he slowed down? >> Mhm. >> Did he at any point increase his speed again? >> No, he didn't. Even um at the time when I tell him slow down, he did he he did slow down. And there was a next there was a next um how would I say that? There's a next time we had to stop to take the live vest for one of the guys that asked for the live vest.
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P3-C29 · DAY 1 · PART III · life-jacket requester correction
Pascal
Clarifies Taylor River, Roman's girlfriend, asked for his jacket, about ten–twenty minutes after the slowdown.
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No, no, no, no. When I when I tell the captain slow down because of the swells of the sea, he didn't ask for it. You know, he asked for it maybe I'll say 10 20 minutes after. >> Yeah, that's what I'm asking. So, he would have asked for the life vest after you asked the captain to slow down >> after. Not immediately, but after. Yeah, after. >> It wasn't even the one who asked me for the live vest. It was his girlfriend that asked me for the live saw him which was Taylor. >> What's the girlfriend's name? >> Taylor River. >> Taylor. >> Taylor. Yeah.
P3-C30 · DAY 1 · PART III · procedural scrutiny and response
Chair and Pascal
Chair challenges licence checking, alcohol purchase, absent briefing and jackets; Pascal reiterates Tyson not regular captain and acknowledges hearing concerns.
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>> But what I'm saying is that I'm not aware that he doesn't have a license for period of time. You did nothing to ascertain to to ensure that before you put the lives of nine persons in the hands of this man that he was in fact qualified to captain a boat. Well, at at that time, as I said, it's you know, event we going to and it's not, you know, people we we um how would I say guess about you speak about this as if well, I mean, since it's a fat you're going to, >> it's it's not as if people's lives are involved in that. Four people died, you know, as a result of that collision. >> It's nothing to be taken lightly, you know, that yeah, we're just going to affect. So, that's okay. It's not okay. Security briefings and safety protocols. Safety briefings and protocols are to be carried out precisely to avoid what happened happening. It doesn't matter whether you're talking about tourists or persons you're doing chores from or your best friends and neighbors and family members. I understood >> what matters is that the lives of nine persons are on the line and you have you have engaged a person to captain the boat to carry those nine persons to and from um Suare and and Gile without ascertaining whether that person was legally qualified to do so. >> Yes. But as I said earlier on, I understood clearly what you were saying. But the time, as I said, Tyson is not my captain. He's not my captain. >> Yes, he was your captain on that night when you engaged him to entrust nine lives in his hands. He was your captain. You caused him to become your captain 11 years after he ceased to be legally entitled to do so. Also, you were purchasing alcoholic beverages no less than four for that person in whose hands you were going to entrust the nine lives. You also did not cause any security, any safety briefings or protocols to be followed. You also did not cause the nine people on board to to wear life live life jackets or even to make them aware that they should do so. Apart from one man who whose girlfriend said he couldn't swim and asked for a life vest for him. These are very very serious matters and I'm a little concerned that you seem to treat them as if we were just going to a fence. So that's okay. Four people died.
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P3-C31 · DAY 1 · PART III · qualification of lookout inference
Pascal
Retracts assertion lookout could see anything, replacing it with assumption about lit objects; cannot answer whether lookout could detect an unlit vessel.
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Well, from where he was sitting, that question would have to be something you ask him because where he was seated, he alone could see what he could see. >> Yeah. with you. I'm going on your statement. >> Mhm. >> That from where Mavado was sitting, >> he could see anything. >> Yeah. Because where he was, >> this is what you said. >> Mhm. >> Cuz where he was seated, um, well, let's let me refuse. I would assume he can see whatever's coming in front of him. I'll retract my statement. >> Okay. >> I would assume you'll be able to see what's coming ahead of him. And if the boat had navigation lights >> Mhm. >> you would say that there's no way he would not have seen it. >> No way. >> And if it did not have navigation lights and you had navigation lights >> and he was at that well pushed where he was, do you >> on the other boat? >> Do you believe that he may still have been able to see that other boat coming even without its navigation light? >> You mean like if he was on the other boat? >> No. No. He seated in a position on your boat. Mhm. >> where he can see anything. >> Mhm. >> I'm asking you whether even if that oncoming boat did not have navigation lights on, >> could he would he have discerned an oncoming uh object coming towards your boat? >> That from some distance away? >> That I cannot answer for you because as I said, he's the one that seen he could tell you what he could have possibly seen. But I know on that night it was a bit visible. So that question in regards to Mo I cannot answer it. Cannot answer it if he could have seen. I just know for sure where he was seated if there was any oncoming thing with lights he would have seen. >> So you've altered it really to say that that from where he was seated he could see any oncoming object with lights. >> With lights. But in terms of whether he might have seen that oncoming uh vessel without lights, you're saying that part >> I cannot answer. >> I cannot answer that because >> that's adequate.
P3-C32 · DAY 1 · PART III · certification arrangement admission
Pascal
Says he named Graham Matthew as Boatmaster and regular captain Daryl Paul as crew after SLASPA requested a higher licence grade for captain.
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Mr. Pascal, who is the registered B boat master for your vessel? Um, so with that being said, Daryl is my captain, registered captain, but I think the time I was supposed to reg um, how would I say it? Go to slasper, they was asking me for um, I think a grid two uh, grid two or grid grid three or grid two captain. And then at that point I end up um because I wanted to insure the boat. So I end up calling um Graham Mafra. Graham Mafra I could recall that I end up he has a higher grid than Dariel. So I end up putting him as the captain and I had um Darl as the crew. >> Right. So, you said on the night of the incident? >> Mhm. >> Your regular captain could not go because he went with his own boat. >> Yeah, he went with his own boat. >> Who is your regular captain? >> Well, it's Darla. Daryl what? Daryl Paul. So you're saying in the statement just prior that you could not have registered and inshot the boat >> with Daryl because of his level boat license. Yes, that's >> so you used Graham Matthew. >> Yes. >> However, you continue to use Darl Paul who because of his the level of his license certification >> would not have been accepted as the boat captain. >> Mhm. >> You agree? >> Repeat yourself. >> I am saying you could not have registered Darl Paul >> as the boat captain. >> Yeah. because of the level of his certification. >> Yes, the captain. >> Is that correct? >> Yes. >> That that Slasper and the insurance would not accept Daryl Paul. >> No, no, not the insurance. The insurance accept him. It's just um Slasper. >> So, Slasper would not >> Slasper tell me um my captain need a um license certificate like a grade two or grade whatever. Okay, good. So, Darl Paul did not have that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you used Graham Matthew >> Mhm. >> to get the boat registered. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> But yet continued with Darl Paul >> who is not certified. >> He's certified. >> Yeah. But let's go again. >> He's certified and he could he could operate in the waters. >> Okay. So, why? >> They just asked me that. I don't know for what reason. They just tell me um my captain needs like a grid too, but he could operate in the waters. He could operate in the waters. So that is something we we that is something we need some clarity on, Mr. um >> Yes, you could you could clarify with them. He could operate in a waters. He's >> Yeah, but but he's still not registered as your boat captain. >> Repeat yourself. >> He's not registered as your boat captain. >> He's still he's not registered >> as your boat captain. Graham Matthew is the boat master, isn't he? >> Yes, he is. >> Graham Matthew, you have Darl Paul registered as crew. >> Yes, at the time.
P3-C33 · DAY 1 · PART III · regular-captain identity
Pascal
Names Daryl Paul as regular captain who took his own boat to the event and was unavailable.
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>> Right. So, you said on the night of the incident? >> Mhm. >> Your regular captain could not go because he went with his own boat. >> Yeah, he went with his own boat. >> Who is your regular captain? >> Well, it's Darla. Daryl what? Daryl Paul. So you're saying in the statement just prior that you could not have registered and inshot the boat >> with Daryl because of his level boat license. Yes, that's >> so you used Graham Matthew. >> Yes. >> However, you continue to use Darl Paul who because of his the level of his license certification >> would not have been accepted as the boat captain. >> Mhm. >> You agree? >> Repeat yourself. >> I am saying you could not have registered Darl Paul >> as the boat captain. >> Yeah. because of the level of his certification. >> Yes, the captain. >> Is that correct? >> Yes. >> That that Slasper and the insurance would not accept Daryl Paul. >> No, no, not the insurance. The insurance accept him. It's just um Slasper. >> So, Slasper would not >> Slasper tell me um my captain need a um license certificate like a grade two or grade whatever. Okay, good. So, Darl Paul did not have that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you used Graham Matthew >> Mhm. >> to get the boat registered. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> But yet continued with Darl Paul >> who is not certified. >> He's certified. >> Yeah. But let's go again. >> He's certified and he could he could operate in the waters. >> Okay. So, why? >> They just asked me that. I don't know for what reason. They just tell me um my captain needs like a grid too, but he could operate in the waters. He could operate in the waters. So that is something we we that is something we need some clarity on, Mr. um >> Yes, you could you could clarify with them. He could operate in a waters. He's >> Yeah, but but he's still not registered as your boat captain. >> Repeat yourself. >> He's not registered as your boat captain. >> He's still he's not registered >> as your boat captain. Graham Matthew is the boat master, isn't he? >> Yes, he is. >> Graham Matthew, you have Darl Paul registered as crew. >> Yes, at the time. >> Therefore, >> Mhm. >> he cannot be your regular captain.
P3-C34 · DAY 1 · PART III · regulator versus insurer account
Pascal
Clarifies that SLASPA, not his insurer, objected to Daryl's grade; says insurer accepted him.
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That that Slasper and the insurance would not accept Daryl Paul. >> No, no, not the insurance. The insurance accept him. It's just um Slasper. >> So, Slasper would not >> Slasper tell me um my captain need a um license certificate like a grade two or grade whatever. Okay, good. So, Darl Paul did not have that.
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P3-C35 · DAY 1 · PART III · continued-use admission and disputed legal understanding
Pascal
Continued to use Daryl as regular captain although named as crew; insists Daryl had a licence and could operate on the water.
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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you used Graham Matthew >> Mhm. >> to get the boat registered. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> But yet continued with Darl Paul >> who is not certified. >> He's certified. >> Yeah. But let's go again. >> He's certified and he could he could operate in the waters. >> Okay. So, why? >> They just asked me that. I don't know for what reason. They just tell me um my captain needs like a grid too, but he could operate in the waters. He could operate in the waters. So that is something we we that is something we need some clarity on, Mr. um >> Yes, you could you could clarify with them. He could operate in a waters. He's >> Yeah, but but he's still not registered as your boat captain. >> Repeat yourself. >> He's not registered as your boat captain. >> He's still he's not registered >> as your boat captain. Graham Matthew is the boat master, isn't he? >> Yes, he is. >> Graham Matthew, you have Darl Paul registered as crew. >> Yes, at the time. >> Therefore, >> Mhm. >> he cannot be your regular captain. >> And he is, >> but he's not registered as your boat captain. >> Yes, but he's not registered. But he's legit. He could still run in the water. I am still asking if he was legit why would Slasp refuse him. >> You asked that question to you would take that into um Slash bags them why that you all have to make that research. I don't know. I don't know for what reason they told me such >> yeah he has yeah he would >> that's not a question I could answer why. >> So yeah but Darl Mafi Darl Paul >> Paul has a boat license. Yeah, he's like, >> but not at a level that's last accepted. >> He he has a level three, I think. >> I don't know what level they accept you to drive at cuz I've never gone to a boat captain license, but I know for sure you do have a license. >> Okay, so it says Graham Matthew certified boat license grade 3 expiry date 289 2026. So it means therefore that what certified crew won. So it means therefore that whatever whatever level of certification that Darl Paul has is is lower or of lesser certification than Graham Matthew >> but he can still operate. That's what I'm saying. My interest here is why would Slasper not have registered him as your boat master? >> But that question I cannot answer that question. You have to ask Slasper. They do the laws. I don't know. >> So I am still saying owing to the fact that Daryl Paul is not registered as your boat master. >> He cannot be your regular captain >> or should not be your regular captain or cannot be. I think I used the right term in the first instance. He cannot be your regular boat captain. >> Yep. >> Are you agreeing with me? >> That's the law and I agree. >> But I know once you have a a a captain like >> So So you are saying that Darl Paul has his own boat. >> Bigger P. >> Darl Paul has his own boat. >> Yeah, you do have a boat right now. >> He owns a boat. >> Yeah, he has. >> And he captains his boat. >> Well, yeah, he has a boat. You have seen him captain his own boat. >> Well, a dingy has how you call it those small mini boats. Those dingies. That's what
P3-C36 · DAY 1 · PART III · licence document readout and uncertainty
Commissioner readout; Pascal
Questioner reads Graham Matthew certified Boatmaster grade 3, expiry 28 September 2026; Pascal thinks Daryl has grade 3 while recalling request for grade 2.
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>> And he is, >> but he's not registered as your boat captain. >> Yes, but he's not registered. But he's legit. He could still run in the water. I am still asking if he was legit why would Slasp refuse him. >> You asked that question to you would take that into um Slash bags them why that you all have to make that research. I don't know. I don't know for what reason they told me such >> yeah he has yeah he would >> that's not a question I could answer why. >> So yeah but Darl Mafi Darl Paul >> Paul has a boat license. Yeah, he's like, >> but not at a level that's last accepted. >> He he has a level three, I think. >> I don't know what level they accept you to drive at cuz I've never gone to a boat captain license, but I know for sure you do have a license. >> Okay, so it says Graham Matthew certified boat license grade 3 expiry date 289 2026. So it means therefore that what certified crew won. So it means therefore that whatever whatever level of certification that Darl Paul has is is lower or of lesser certification than Graham Matthew >> but he can still operate. That's what I'm saying. My interest here is why would Slasper not have registered him as your boat master? >> But that question I cannot answer that question. You have to ask Slasper. They do the laws. I don't know. >> So I am still saying owing to the fact that Daryl Paul is not registered as your boat master. >> He cannot be your regular captain >> or should not be your regular captain or cannot be. I think I used the right term in the first instance. He cannot be your regular boat captain. >> Yep. >> Are you agreeing with me? >> That's the law and I agree. >> But I know once you have a a a captain like >> So So you are saying that Darl Paul has his own boat. >> Bigger P. >> Darl Paul has his own boat. >> Yeah, you do have a boat right now. >> He owns a boat. >> Yeah, he has. >> And he captains his boat. >> Well, yeah, he has a boat. You have seen him captain his own boat. >> Well, a dingy has how you call it those small mini boats. Those dingies. That's what
P3-C37 · DAY 1 · PART III · historical regulator account
Pascal
Says Daryl supplied licence, was listed for two–three years without SLASPA issue, appears on insurance, and the same boat was not upgraded.
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Cuz he works for me is present. He had to present it to me for me to send to Slasper. I've registered my boat as Darl Paul as my captain with no issue with Slasper. I just just recently they just tell me that um Darl will need a higher grade or whatever they said. But I've always Daryl have been my captain for two three years with no issue. He's been the one on my insurance as the captain and you could check the files. >> And we and we talking about the same vessel. >> Yes. >> An upgrade to your vessel that would have caused you to ask him for an upgrading license. >> No, cuz Junior I haven't upgraded my boat. That's the only boat I've I've bought and that's the only boat I have right now. So how would it be upgraded? Daryl Paul have been my captain for two three years now. From the time I started operating, Daryl has been the one as the captain.
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P3-C38 · DAY 1 · PART III · continued-operation acknowledgement
Pascal
Despite describing SLASPA declining Daryl as named master, accepted continued use of him because he believed his licence allowed it.
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>> did not register him as your captain as a captain because he he was not to the requisite grade. >> Well, >> isn't that what you said? Yes, that's what that's what they said. >> Yeah, that's what you told us. We haven't we haven't heard from Slasbar. We're hearing from you >> and you are saying that Slasbar would not register him as your boat captain because he did not have the required level of certification. >> Well, that's well I that's what I assume. Yes, that's what they said. >> And yet despite Slasper not registering him as captain because he did not have the required level of certification, you engaged him as your captain. >> Yes. because he do have a license to operate and he has the license to operate in the waters as well. That's what I'm saying. >> Yes. But Slasper declined to register him as a boat captain. >> Mhm. >> Because he did not have the required level of certification. >> Mhm. >> That is what you have said. I have not I've not said so. But despite that you felt comfortable engaging him as a captain despite what Slasper which is the authority on those matters. >> Let me let me add to that. >> Just just hold on. Despite what Slasper has said which is the authority on those matters. It's okay. I mean he's been driving your boat so it's okay. He can continue to do that notwithstanding that Slasper has declined to register him. >> Yes. >> I mean Mr. Pascal what I you have to take this thing very seriously you know. >> Yes but I am but what I'm >> like your livelihood might depend on it people lives might depend on it not livelihood lives >> and I I do happen to find you a little casual >> given the enormity of the situation that we're dealing with further question. So again, let me let me just warn you that Graham Matthews boat license has expired on the 28th of September this year. >> Mhm. I'm not aware of it. Yeah, I'm just telling you now >> cuz he's >> the the the the other discrepancy I notice here, the expiration date of your >> certificate of inspection is November 22nd, 2026, >> which is next month. But yet the boat license of the captain expires before that.
P3-C39 · DAY 1 · PART III · licence/certificate dates readout
Commissioner and Chair
Graham licence said expired 28 September 2026; vessel inspection certificate said expires 22 November 2026; chair notes driver/craft document expiries need not coincide.
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>> Let me let me add to that. >> Just just hold on. Despite what Slasper has said which is the authority on those matters. It's okay. I mean he's been driving your boat so it's okay. He can continue to do that notwithstanding that Slasper has declined to register him. >> Yes. >> I mean Mr. Pascal what I you have to take this thing very seriously you know. >> Yes but I am but what I'm >> like your livelihood might depend on it people lives might depend on it not livelihood lives >> and I I do happen to find you a little casual >> given the enormity of the situation that we're dealing with further question. So again, let me let me just warn you that Graham Matthews boat license has expired on the 28th of September this year. >> Mhm. I'm not aware of it. Yeah, I'm just telling you now >> cuz he's >> the the the the other discrepancy I notice here, the expiration date of your >> certificate of inspection is November 22nd, 2026, >> which is next month. But yet the boat license of the captain expires before that. >> Mhm. The boat captain's license expired last month, September, but the his boat is licensed or certified until November 22nd, which is next month. >> But that's why I'm saying Graham, we just >> we use I just use Graham. Graham is not my captain. He never drives for me. >> So, Mr. In your estimation, can can that happen that the boat is allowed to be certified until but the captain >> it can happen? But it's like my it's it's like my car it's like my car being insured or they don't run commensurate. They don't usually they can't run commensurate. The >> driver's license expire can expire before the insurance. Yeah. But but you need to check on Mr. Louis on Mr. Graham Matthew. >> Make a pan. >> You need to check on Mr. Graham Matthew because his his license expired last month. >> You need to check on him. >> You the captain in your boat. >> But no, he Graham Charles. I used Graham Charles. I've never used Graham Charles to drive my boat. You just use his name to get your license. >> Yes.
P3-C40 · DAY 1 · PART III · nominal-master arrangement admission
Pascal
Explicitly says Graham never drove his boat and he used Graham's name to obtain certification/licence.
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But that's why I'm saying Graham, we just >> we use I just use Graham. Graham is not my captain. He never drives for me. >> So, Mr. In your estimation, can can that happen that the boat is allowed to be certified until but the captain >> it can happen? But it's like my it's it's like my car it's like my car being insured or they don't run commensurate. They don't usually they can't run commensurate. The >> driver's license expire can expire before the insurance. Yeah. But but you need to check on Mr. Louis on Mr. Graham Matthew. >> Make a pan. >> You need to check on Mr. Graham Matthew because his his license expired last month. >> You need to check on him. >> You the captain in your boat. >> But no, he Graham Charles. I used Graham Charles. I've never used Graham Charles to drive my boat. You just use his name to get your license. >> Yes. >> But you never use it. >> You never drive that boat. >> You never use him to actually do what you in the put on the the phone. just use his name. I, you know, I just use his name. I He never drive my boat.
P3-C41 · DAY 1 · PART III · certificate details readout
Commissioner; Pascal answers
Document described as stamped 22 May 2026, showing Pascal as lawful owner and Graham Matthew as master; examiner refers to Pascal signature.
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>> Mhm. >> is not the one operating the vessel. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> I cannot hear you sir. Yes. Right. >> You are also aware that the person who is operating the vessel is not qualified to do so because the sole authority to give that responsibility is Flasper and he was denied. >> You are aware. >> I'm not aware of >> the person operating currently. You are aware that he's not the person because you use the other person to get through. >> Is that correct? >> Repeat. Repeat that statement. >> The person you have Just one second. Let me refer to the documents. Kazola Jr. know that Mr. Hippolit the registered captain. Thank you. according to the the paper from the St. Lucia and support authority the direct the division of maritime affairs right you Irenus Pascal have registered as the master of the vessel the person in charge of that vessel whose lives are dependent upon >> as Grum's Matthew Mhm. >> That's correct. >> Mhm. But you clearly stated that Mr. Matthew is >> important verbally. >> We need to hear. >> Oh, okay. Understood. >> Yeah, I understood. >> Right. So you have on the division of maritime affairs from the St. Lucia and support authority which is commonly called Slasper >> that you are the lawful owner of Kazola Jr. is that correct? Yes, I am. >> You have on that same document stamped the 22nd of May, 2026, that the operator, the master, the person with the responsibility for the nine lives you had >> Mhm. >> on the vessel that night in question >> Mhm. >> was supposed to be Mr. Graham Graham Matthew. >> Mhm. >> Is that correct? >> Well, if that's what stated. Yes. No, that is what you have because your signature is also on that document, remember? >> Yes. >> And you had another individual operating the vessel >> which is not what you have the person you have as the master of the vessel. >> Understood? But you would also be aware that in so doing you would have according to the laws engaging the master the captain of a vessel that by doing so on the 18th of July 2026 that you would have endangered the life of all the sea users and resulting in the death of four individual. I'm listening. It was a question. I thought it you was continuous me. I didn't take it as a question. Thank you. So, I'm still going back to navigational terms with you and I believe Commissioner Defrites was trying to understand what you were not bringing out. Your vessel is equipped with a 115 horsepower 115 or 150.
Examiner suggests using another operator endangered other sea users and resulted in four deaths.
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But you would also be aware that in so doing you would have according to the laws engaging the master the captain of a vessel that by doing so on the 18th of July 2026 that you would have endangered the life of all the sea users and resulting in the death of four individual. I'm listening. It was a question. I thought it you was continuous me. I didn't take it as a question.
P3-C44 · DAY 1 · PART III · time-interval correction
Pascal
Corrects fifty-minutes-to-hour estimate as starting at slowdown near Windjammer; separately estimates departure about 10:45 and impact around 11:55, about an hour-plus including stop.
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You clearly indicated to commissioner defes that you took about 50. Just one second. 50 to an hour. >> 50 to 1 hour from when I tell the guy to stop. That's after not from the destination to the collision. >> So we for the records we want to indicate that >> from win jama to the collision. >> Yeah. You didn't ask that question. You only asked after I told the guy to um um um take it easy. That's where that's the question you asked. You never asked me from the destination to the collision how long I took. >> We we are getting there. We getting there. What was that? I thought >> So for the purpose of this sitting, we would label um Rodney Bay as point A. >> Mhm. >> We would register the point of the collision as point B. >> Mhm. >> For clear guidance. So from point A to point B, how long did your vessel take to travel that distance? >> Um your own estimate. >> We left we left around a little like after 10 collision happened around 11:55. So I think we take like hour plus total to get to the collision cuz as I said we were going at a moderate speed. We we didn't have much speed. So from point A to point B, I'll say roughly an hour plus cuz we left Robo Grizzly >> for like after 10. After 10:00 >> closer to 11 or closer to >> Yeah, around like 10:45 there about 10:45 >> and the collision happened like 11:55. >> So that would be an hour >> like an hour plus approximately an hour plus >> including the stop. >> Yeah, including the stop and everything.
P3-C45 · DAY 1 · PART III · navigation-aid observation
Pascal; examiner
Pascal did not see a named offshore rock or its beacon; examiner describes a light flashing twice every five seconds near Windjammer.
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>> for like after 10. After 10:00 >> closer to 11 or closer to >> Yeah, around like 10:45 there about 10:45 >> and the collision happened like 11:55. >> So that would be an hour >> like an hour plus approximately an hour plus >> including the stop. >> Yeah, including the stop and everything. So visibility was poor as you indicated. Yeah. >> But did you see it? >> Mhm. >> Did you see Furo rock? Barl O. You familiar with that area? >> Repeat yourself. >> There's a rock called Furo Rock or Barl Obif. It's the rock in the water between >> Well, where I was seated, you know, I'm a short individual. Where I was seated, I was seated right in front of the console. So I couldn't have seen much. you know, my focus I was just watching in front of my boat, you know, and sometimes I'd watch on the shoreline where I could have seen lights. >> Okay. So, you did not see that rock? >> I didn't. >> But would you you are familiar with that area? >> I'm aware of that. I know what you're talking the big rock outside of Brazil. >> Outside of Win Jama that area just >> Yes, we pass >> between we pass to the shoreline like close to the shoreline. But this light, you did not see the rock, but the rock is fitted with a flashing light. >> I didn't see the I didn't see that rocket. And Slasper ensure that that light I think you have two flashes every 5 seconds to indicate the presence of the rock. It's what you call a navigational aid, but you did not see it. >> Well, I didn't. >> So, my other question to you, you did not see the rock, but you had Mr. your lookout. >> Mhm. >> Sitting almost on the bow. >> Mhm. >> Did he receive any major injury? >> Did he receive any >> any major injury as a result of the accident? Actually, >> um from what I saw, yeah, he had received some blows to his his knee. He had a um how you call that? Uh how you calling that? A crutch. He had a crutch. But those guys don't take those things serious. He he I saw he was in I saw he had some some some >> some injuries. So from what commissioner defes was asking you we were trying and we are still trying to establish how could someone sit at that point if you look at the magnitude. Have you seen your vessel since the accident? Have you seen your boat since the accident?
P3-C46 · DAY 1 · PART III · injury and wreck-access testimony
Pascal
Saw lookout with knee injury/crutch; has seen wreck photos on a phone but not physically visited recovered boat.
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Did he receive any major injury? >> Did he receive any >> any major injury as a result of the accident? Actually, >> um from what I saw, yeah, he had received some blows to his his knee. He had a um how you call that? Uh how you calling that? A crutch. He had a crutch. But those guys don't take those things serious. He he I saw he was in I saw he had some some some >> some injuries. So from what commissioner defes was asking you we were trying and we are still trying to establish how could someone sit at that point if you look at the magnitude. Have you seen your vessel since the accident? Have you seen your boat since the accident? >> Repeat yourself. >> Have you seen your boat since the accident? >> Yes I've seen Well, I've seen pictures. The boat itself. Have you seen it? >> Yeah, I've seen pictures. >> The boat. Have you seen the boat itself? The boat. The physical boat. >> Like which boat? My boat or your boat? >> Your boat. >> My boat. I've seen it on photo on on phone. >> But you've not seen the boat itself? >> No, I haven't gone to see the boat ever since.
P3-C47 · DAY 1 · PART III · damage proposition and seat/ejection account
Commissioner; Pascal
Examiner describes starboard-bow destruction and suggests severe/fatal injury should follow; Pascal says lookout was on left, damage on right, and was thrown out.
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>> Repeat yourself. >> Have you seen your boat since the accident? >> Yes I've seen Well, I've seen pictures. The boat itself. Have you seen it? >> Yeah, I've seen pictures. >> The boat. Have you seen the boat itself? The boat. The physical boat. >> Like which boat? My boat or your boat? >> Your boat. >> My boat. I've seen it on photo on on phone. >> But you've not seen the boat itself? >> No, I haven't gone to see the boat ever since. But if you look at the magnitude of the destruction or the the damage to the boat, the entire portion of the bow towards the starboard side, which is the Raj side, is damaged, which means your lookout would have received severe damage or possibly died during the collision. >> Well, on what side it was? He was on the left hand side. The impact was more like on the on the right hand side. He was on that side of the boat. They say that's the boat. He was on that side. All impact was there. He was one of the guys who flew outside of the boat. He was flew outside of the boat from the impact.
P3-C48 · DAY 1 · PART III · lookout discussion clarification
Pascal
Says he heard group discussions in which lookout said he saw nothing, though he did not personally question him.
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>> But it it still does not give us the idea how he could have been seated in a specific area. >> Mhm. >> And would not have seen anything. And to compound the matter, you have not found it fit to ask him as the boat owner because that would have been your responsibility. >> Mhm. >> So would you say that you have failed in your responsibility? You would agree with me that you have >> I feel >> just wait. You would have agree with me that you have failed with your responsibility to ask the lookout what did he see? Did he see anything or what happened? Well, as I said, I haven't asked him, but from what the cap the captain has been questioning him and he's been saying that he didn't see anything. That's what he's been saying. But for me to go and ask him any question, I haven't asked him any question. But the captain did. >> So I am speaking in the context of you as the owner of the vessel. >> Mhm. >> Because remember here four individual lost their lives. Mhm. >> And to me, from the 18th of July to now, it would be rather strange that you have not as your lookout anything concerning what he may have seen or not. July, August, September, October. Well, as I said, I heard cuz we always among each other and you know, sometimes the topic come ups and you know, so I've known you know what was being said. But for me see I asked him I have not but I've already heard like what transpired like if if he saw anything if he didn't see anything and you know what he's been saying he didn't see anything coming.
P3-C49 · DAY 1 · PART III · speed/time disagreement
Pascal and commissioner
Pascal says he gave no RPM or numerical speed; challenges assertion that his speed and elapsed time do not match, and qualifies approximate departure estimate.
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>> So we remain on navigational terms because the lookout failed. >> Mhm. >> The lights apparently did not assist. So I am going on basic navigational procedures with you. >> Mhm. If your vessel were traveling at how many RPMs did you say? >> I'm not sure. I'm not the captain to be honest. I didn't say how many RPM it was traveling. I've never said I've never said that. >> Okay. >> I've never never said boots traveling at whatever RPM. I haven't said that. I'm not the captain. >> So, you have no idea. Have you ever driven that vessel? >> Well, I've driven it. I've driven it, but I don't know how much RPM he was driving at that night. >> Because based on based on what based on what you're trying to describe here is that if you use the basic navigational calculations >> Mhm. >> the speed, the time, the distance is not matching. It's not >> like what speed and what that not matching. I haven't said anything about speed. I said the guy was driving at a moderate speed. Well, yes, we were driving at a moderate speed and that's the time we took. That's the time it happened. So maybe I might like the time phrase we left maybe might be wrong because I say approximately, you know, I wasn't cuz at the time that happened there sometimes you wouldn't check your time to see what time you left. It's just assuming like what time we left. So on my ends, you know, you cannot blame me because I at the moment when we left, I didn't check time. I just said, you know, we left around >> approximately 10:45. >> Yeah, around that time. So it could be. But would it would it always take you an hour, hour and 15 minutes from Gilelay to Sufre? >> Well, it depend on how you move. If it's a direct ride sometimes from suare to run there depend on the water some it will take you maybe an hour 30 minutes hour 25 it depend how you moving what engine not behind you you understand it depend it depend how fast you going what stops you making so it depend So, and I'm still I I'm still telling you that the the time the distance times multiply time speed is distance. >> Distance. If you're an owner of a boat, this it's simple calculation. >> Mhm. If you travel from point A to point B at such a speed, it will take you that amount of time. >> Yeah. Well, as I said, where we left from point A, it was about that time. Approximately that time when we get to the place when the incident happened, most people say it was around 11:55. But I'm saying what I could assume how long we take from point A to point B, I'd say within the range of 50 to an hour. Around that.
P3-C50 · DAY 1 · PART III · collision-time hearsay
Pascal
Says most people place incident around 11:55, while his own duration estimate remains roughly fifty minutes to an hour.
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Well, as I said, where we left from point A, it was about that time. Approximately that time when we get to the place when the incident happened, most people say it was around 11:55. But I'm saying what I could assume how long we take from point A to point B, I'd say within the range of 50 to an hour. Around that.
P3-C51 · DAY 1 · PART III · post-impact response account
Pascal
Says Tyson went to assist when calls for help were heard.
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So what did you do immediately upon impact? >> Um >> as the owner of the vessel. >> Well um what happened? Tyson. Tyson end up going assist after we heard some help.
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P3-C52 · DAY 1 · PART III · post-impact steering/mechanical account
Pascal
Says he went to controls and Mavado/Jonel to engine because steering was disconnected though engine still running, attempting slowly to reach shore with passengers aboard.
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I went behind the I went behind the stair. I went behind the stair and try and bring the boat closer to shore cuz there was still passengers on board. So my intention was to try and bring the boat closer. So I went behind the stair. um Jonel which is Movado went behind the um the engine because at the time the steering it wasn't turning like everything had already disconnected but the engine was still on so Jel Movado went on control but I wasn't putting too much speed because you know the power of the 150 so you know I went at a little speed to try and reach closer to shore you know but we did not reach too far the boat end Same.
P3-C53 · DAY 1 · PART III · firsthand sinking and escape account
Pascal
Expressly says boat sank; grabbed life jacket and swam to nearest catamaran/yacht.
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so when the boat sunk, I grab a live vest and then I swim to the nearest boat which was a a catamaran or yacht. >> Okay. >> Or you may call it. >> Okay. Understood. >> Went to there. So that's it.
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P3-C54 · DAY 1 · PART III · emergency-call account
Pascal
At other boat borrowed/accessed a phone and first called his aunt; says panic left this the number he remembered.
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So when I reached there, that's why I started making some calls. There was a guy with a phone. >> I called my auntie. First person I called was my auntie and tell her that happened. So yes, I did make calls. >> But as a boat owner, you would be you would be um you should be familiar with the first person you call is 999 911, the emergency services. So even if you call 999 or 911 and you explain to them what happened, they would pass you on to the marine unit, the ancillary suare police and so on. The emergency services is the first person you call because you have nine persons whose life is in danger, not your auntie. >> Yeah, but at the time at the time panic mode and and and that's the only number I could remember. I didn't remember no police >> 911 and 91. I'm just telling you you telling me that there at the moment but in the event the the moment that happening there sometimes panic you know you you traumatize you you think is is your closest person you'll think to call so I call my auntie that's who I thought of that's the number I remembered at the time I called my auntie Because what what is key
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P3-C55 · DAY 1 · PART III · emergency-number advice
Commissioner
Examiner says emergency services through 999/911 should be first call.
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But as a boat owner, you would be you would be um you should be familiar with the first person you call is 999 911, the emergency services. So even if you call 999 or 911 and you explain to them what happened, they would pass you on to the marine unit, the ancillary suare police and so on. The emergency services is the first person you call because you have nine persons whose life is in danger, not your auntie.
P3-C56 · DAY 1 · PART III · demeanour assessment and response
Chair/commissioner; Pascal
Questioners call answers casual and chair refers to a vibe; Pascal rejects indifference, saying he is being honest about practice.
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>> very casual the the mood and all of that it seems to be I am not sure if I am mistaken in my interpretation of your composure but it seems to be a very casual one that like casual about the situation. >> Yes. >> Uh no, I wouldn't say such. >> I think um there may be other questions but um Mr. Chair probably at another One more. Yeah, thank you for your evidence. Um, I do know do hope that you've taken note of a number of things which which came from us. I'm hoping that you did take note of a number of things that were put to you or questions asked of you because there are it you may have given the impression I'm sure unintentionally but you may have given the impression that you you were a little casual about this and there yeah I'm not casual about it >> and there is nothing casual in this situation I'm saying I I doubt if you intended to convey that but I'm telling you what came across to us there is that you were a little casual. You know, we do that with story. >> That's what you took it as. But no, >> I I'm speaking I'm speaking and I'm telling you how you came across to the commission as being a little casual about the procedures that yes, you're supposed to do that, but we do that with with guests, but we don't do that uh with with with locals. Um yes. Well, that's the what you that's what you say, that's what the papers say. This is much more serious than that. As I indicated, not just we have we have the lives of four people who were lost as a result of the collision and we have a number of incidents that have taken place, maritime incidents and accidents. All of this opportunity is being taken to explore all of that and to see what it is that has been done wrong and right and how we can correct it. And you are a boat operator and you should more than any of us here be taking this situation very very seriously. >> The impact it can have on your livelihood and on the lives of others. And as I said, this is what you were giving off to us. Doesn't mean that as you sat there, that is what you intended. But in terms of the way in which you were answering questions, I'm just telling you, you were giving off, you know, let's use colloquial terms. You were giving off a vibe. That wasn't good. That wasn't cool. >> Yeah. >> No, but that's the honest truth. I You wanted me to lie about the whole situation. I just we clearly not understanding each other. >> Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I'm casual like I answering the things like you know I don't it's not like I don't care and I'm casual about it. I'm just being realistic about you know how everything happened and what happened. It's not like I I casual about that's what you take it but that's not what it is with me. >> Yeah. And I'm just telling you that that you were coming off in that way. That as much as I want to think that you did not intend to come off that way, that you were coming off that way. I say this for your your benefit, for your guidance, you're in a a business that that things are happening that can cause modes of operation, operational practices, procedures, regulations, legislation to be altered based on what happened. and what should have happened and what didn't happen and you you should take very seriously this incident not just for it and of itself but for the whole future of the business that you you involved in. So I want to I want to take the opportunity to tell you those things. you are a boat owner, a boat operator and what as I said what has happened not just what has happened in this incident is extremely serious but there are other things that have happened or not happened uh which this commission will address and is addressing so just be mindful of that as I said and and be very much aware that we're into some serious serious what is it pun intended okay is there anything you wanted to say to to the commission before you end your your evidence?
Pascal offers nothing further, is released subject to recall, and hearing adjourns until tomorrow at 10 a.m.
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>> Uh, not really. >> Very well. >> Not really. >> Very well. You it is possible that you may be recalled at some stage. If that is being done, you will be appropriately informed and appropriately summoned in the event that anything arises that causes the commission to require further evidence from you. >> Very well. >> Yeah. So the business of this commission is adjourned until tomorrow morning at 10:00. >> Thank you, Mr. Pascal.
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